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[–]domuseid 1099ポイント1100ポイント  (44子コメント)

The funny saddest thing is that people are getting mired down further down in the comments section about how since CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are mostly white males, that excuses shit like this.

No. It doesn't. When we wanted to fix black slavery in America, we didn't just make some white, Hispanic, and Asian people slaves to even things out.

In other words, you don't solve problems like this by taking potshots at whoever is on top. The focus should be bringing everyone up, not dragging the top down so that everyone has it equally shitty. What type of dumb fuckery is that logic supposed to achieve?

[–]tiajuanat 51ポイント52ポイント  (3子コメント)

Crab mentality - sadly I saw this with the inner city kids during High School. After years of everyman-for-himself, and consumerism, they saw everything as zero sum games.

[–]obvious_bot 91ポイント92ポイント  (0子コメント)

Crab mentality: when you put a bunch of crabs in a bucket, if one tries to escape the others will pull him back down

For those that were wondering

[–]thebeardedpotato 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Relevant article http://www.wsj.com/articles/hard-truths-about-race-on-campus-1462544543

[–]theclassicoversharer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's like that in Appalachia too.

[–]WolfyCat 46ポイント47ポイント  (0子コメント)

Quality post.

[–]whatamidoing11 40ポイント41ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with this. That "ban bossy" campaign struck me as so weird. If we acknowledge that CEOs tend to have this shitty quality of dehumanizing others, let's not teach women to be more ok with it so they can be CEOs, let's teach everyone not to be ruthless, pathological leaders.

[–]ZZerglingg 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That kind of rational thought will get you nowhere. Just kidding, spot on.

[–]gt250[🍰] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Third wave feminism.

[–]redscare37 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The crab mentality is so central to their thinking that it's a part of their ideology.

[–]TRUMPTRUMPTRUMPTRUMP 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're assuming there is some sort of logic, as opposed to an irrational, reflexive hatred of white males.

They're even blaming Bernie fans with this shit now.

[–]Yasillydumb -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welcome to the world of Affirmative Action.

[–]SouvlakiPlaystation -3ポイント-2ポイント  (20子コメント)

I honestly don't think most progressive women and minorities actively dislike or want to take down white men, but they're understandably annoyed that white men dominate in positions of power and wealth.

White men aren't naturally smarter or better than they're non white/non male peers, which suggests society is tipped in their favor (which it is) and thus people get psyched when things like this happen.

That said I agree that swinging the pendulum too far the other way and creating the opposite problem doesn't fix anything. I understand the intent of the picture, and I don't think it's malicious, but yeah it's definitely a little short sighted.

[–]TRUMPTRUMPTRUMPTRUMP 7ポイント8ポイント  (19子コメント)

Nothing is stopping women or minorities from inventing or creating companies. White men don't need programs and public shaming campaigns to get involved with companies or inventing things.

It is a dislike of white men by people. That's why they yell about "white males" and want to deconstruct whiteness and all that.

[–]Dking2204 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As long as anyone is yelling about one race or another being a one up or two down, and not actively working to bring everyone up to "the level" it'll be this same crap over and over again. The information to do the things we'd like is out there, but finding that information (or accurate information) is the obstacle for many. IMO there aren't as many obstacles preventing any one group from inventing or creating ,businesses or themselves, as there once was. From what I've seen its more of a hindering mindset as a group than lack of opportunity.

[–]SouvlakiPlaystation -1ポイント0ポイント  (17子コメント)

I would say nothing is directly stopping them, but there are subconscious/societal factors at play that don't encourage them to be as confident or take as many risks. It's a fairly well researched and substantiated fact. That's why you have those programs and things that are meant to encourage women et al.

It can get dark and misguided, sure, but that's usually not the intent, I don't think.

[–]TRUMPTRUMPTRUMPTRUMP 5ポイント6ポイント  (9子コメント)

No, there's not. Nothing is stopping them from doing it.

It's a fairly well researched and substantiated fact.

Well researched and substantiated by the same people who want to deconstruct whiteness and push talk about white privilege.

Get real. Look at that picture. It is saying "Ha ha, no men here!".

[–]SouvlakiPlaystation 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

I'd suggest you read my post again, because literally everything you just said was addressed in it.

"Well researched and substantiated by the same people who want to deconstruct whiteness and push talk about white privilege."

Or you know, people who academically study sociology. You sound kinda racist tbh.

[–]TRUMPTRUMPTRUMPTRUMP 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

because literally everything you just said was addressed in it.

Yes and I'm telling you that maybe you are thinking about it wrong. Sociologists are not unbiased, that's my whole point.

You sound kinda racist tbh.

Well there's the "r" word. Guess you don't have to think about anything I write now huh?

[–]SouvlakiPlaystation 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Nah, I'm listening. It's just that when presented with discourse you went off on a paranoid tangent about how it's all lies by people who are trying to destroy the white man. That's like racist banter 101.

[–]TRUMPTRUMPTRUMPTRUMP 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

How is your point of view any less paranoid and racist? It is essentially saying the only reason white men succeed is because white men created a magic subconscious system of oppression that keeps blacks and women from becoming CEO's. How does that not sound insane to you, besides thinking sociologists are 100% without bias.

[–]SouvlakiPlaystation 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Because science and reason are all we have to go off of? Because what I'm talking about is a very basic and very substantiated scientific fact that happens in almost every culture?

[–]Mentalseppuku 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

The majority (52%) of middle management and professional postions are staffed by women, not men.

[–]SouvlakiPlaystation 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yup, huge advancements have been made, but there's still not a lot of women in the top positions (IE: only 4% of fortune 500 CEOs are women).

To reiterate what I said before the women in this photo are clearly not CEO's, and as I said I agree that this picture is pretty fucking dense and missing the point.

[–]TRUMPTRUMPTRUMPTRUMP 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

And they also only account for 4% of construction workers, electricians and other jobs

Does this concern you? Or do you think maybe men might just prefer different jobs?

[–]SouvlakiPlaystation -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

No, I actually think it makes sense that men would mostly be construction workers and electricians. There's a ton of legit physical and sociological reasons for that. I don't think the same can be said of an office environment though, unless your argument is "men just prefer to be in the highest positions and make the most pay".

Again, I'm a guy, and don't have anything against us being CEO's or whatever. It's just food for thought when it comes to understanding the dialogue that's happening here.

[–]TRUMPTRUMPTRUMPTRUMP -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's a ton of legit physical

So you're saying there are biological reasons men and women are different? Wow I can't believe you would say this, convo over, sexist! (Jk)

Honestly, I think that's it. Men and women are just different. That's why men don't need special programs to be entrepreneurs or whatever. Not because "magical bias".

[–]pimpboss -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Black people look for shit to complain about, and to blame shit on why they're so poor etc etc.

[–]carpetpants -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, well Bernie doesn't like the way you think!