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[–]u wot m8Stone_CyberStone 178ポイント179ポイント  (32子コメント)

If markers return to RB, I will certainly stop playing the game. Blizzard's Overwatch is coming out, I can play that instead. There is no game mode more fun than RB tanks for me.

The poll is a false dilemma, however. There are more solutions than

A) "no-one can mention cheating ever"

B) "we have to ruin a game mode to stop cheating"

[–]Self proclaimed tow-cable guyVoxination 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have a strange feeling if we were given a third option given it would be

C) "all of the above"

[–]Baron_Tiberius 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

honestly that should be an option, along with "none of the above". You can agree with both, or disagree with both - forcing a choice between them is a dumb move.

[–]Finally in SBDr_shiffla 41ポイント42ポイント  (0子コメント)

You summed it up much better than I did. This ultimatum is completely unwarranted.

[–]oneofyou 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

You wrote better than I could. Their two options are bullshit, as that's not the only two choices. Gaijin is more than just 'an' adult, its a fuckin ton of them act like it. Phly was pointing out an issue, fix that, continue being vigilant of hackers, and continue doing your fucking job. I (we) are doing ours by buying premium time and vehicles, you do yours by continuing to make/adminstrate the game, and quit playing the victim...

Fuckin chlidren.

[–]purplelegs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is insane, its like 1984 thought police level censorship.

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    [–]RB GFAngel-0a 87ポイント88ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Well, markers will definitely kill RB for me.

    [–]Finally in SBDr_shiffla 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

    and everyone else who likes RB combined arms

    [–]badfysh 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I would say switch to Simulator, but with the unnecessarily restrictive tank brackets I think I will refrain.

    [–]Daffan 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yep, the event system is complete shit. I love SB planes and would love to mix it with combined, but the events are such crap it's actually worse then a BR system.

    [–]Whos_Insane 28ポイント29ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Agreeing with what most are saying here. You shouldn't censor videos of people discussing cheating in the game. It happens to nearly every game and is a valid thing to discuss. As Phly said, add an overwatch system for reports. Players with a certain in game level can review replays and decide if the player in question is cheating or not. If it gets enough votes it gets passed up to the GM's priority list. This also means an update to the replay system, such as rewinding, making enemies visible at all times, and outlines for all vehicles like CS:GO does for their replay system.

    As for adding markers to RB, you are punishing players for the few that do hack. And if/when the markers get added back, the hackers will just move on to SB until that gets closed or markers get added. If markers do get added, I will no longer play RB tanks. I already have slowed my play time in game because of the terrible map rotation so adding markers will push me completely off.

    [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

    As Phly said, add an overwatch system for reports.

    As I told it is not going to solve anything at all in the moment.

    We know very good already that someone is cheating.

    We don't need a new way to discover bad guys, thank you. We just want that there would be not much of them (as well as our players).

    [–]Whos_Insane 19ポイント20ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Then why did you publicize this? Phly's video just brought up the discussion of hacking in the game, which is a real problem that we should be allowed to discuss. He wasn't advertising hacks either, I don't know how you got that from the video. Can you add a 3rd option to the forum poll that says "Neither"? I don't want censorship of a valid discussion and I don't want markers back in RB because it becomes a slower version of AB. I'm 100% for striking videos that advertise and show off hacks, but when someone is discussing it as an issue or showing a replay, they should be free to do so without the risk of limited their channel or potentially losing it.

    [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Neither is unfortunately not an option anymore.

    I mean, I can put it, but it can become essentially the same as stop fighting.

    [–]Whos_Insane 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

    It is an option. You continue to fight hackers as you always have been. You are essentially either censoring content creators for your game if they talk about a problem or breaking a gamemode because of a small few. I don't see any other companies completely changing a popular gamemode or censoring content creators over hackers. Shame that this issue has also caused Magz to take a leave from WT.

    [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I'll try to explain again.

    Our way was effective. But it only work if there is not many of bad guys. Otherwise we can't wait a month and then ban them, we need to ban instantly.

    And then cheat developers will find a way around our way and we will loose our advantage, our ability to track them.

    So if cheats are advertised, we get out of that option.

    [–]Whos_Insane 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hackers will always find a way to get around a patch or anti-cheat, it is just part of the "cat vs mouse" game. It seems ironic that this was made public considering how it will be getting many more views than any WT Youtuber. I'll bring up the Overwatch tactic again, because no matter what hackers do to change their code or evade anti-cheat, the players they are cheating against will notice and be able to report it to the mods. You have the entire community to help you, take advantage of that.

    [–]cyka__blyat 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And then cheat developers will find a way around our way and we will loose our advantage, our ability to track them.

    That's exactly the problem any other developer runs into.

    Yet I don't see Valve asking their community “Do you want us to forbid discussion about cheats or do you want us to give wall- and aimhacks to every player?“ No, Valve implemented things like Overwatch and Prime Matchmaking.

    [–]Forak 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You could've reaffirmed your companies commitment to fighting cheaters.. nobody expects a 100% success rate, cheats exist for almost all online games and is just a reality we have to deal with. Trying to act like they don't exist, and worse- forcing phly to remove his video under threat of losing his ability to provide for his family is really crossing a few lines..

    [–]Quietly-Confident 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You have brought more attention to the cheating problem this than just his video alone would have. If you wanted to remove the publicity, you've failed spectacularly.

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      [–]Westwick 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Is this for real?

      Censoring videos like this is terrible PR, and adding markers to RB is the same as removing that mode altogether. Both of these options are ludicrous.

      I think the best solution is to actually increase your efforts in monitoring player reports and detecting cheats.

      Ignoring/censoring it in the hopes it doesn't receive attention... that's just stupid, and by doing so you only make us more inclined to think cheating is even more common than it is! If cheating gets attention it is because you are not doing enough to counter it.

      You should welcome cheat reports and videos. If you show us evidence that you are tackling the issue, then players have more confidence in the system and will be less likely to report.

      By censoring it you only make us suspicious and apprehensive to play and enjoy the game.

      [–]TheWillyJ 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I think that cheating is more difficult to deal with than most people realize and based on this post being made, is becoming more prevalent recently.

      They're clearly trying to take action to minimize negative effects of cheating going into the future even if most people don't commonly see it now.

      You can pretty much never fully stop cheating like esp because your client knows where the players are even if your eyes are not seeing them, it's just too difficult. Even a game like CS:GO which is simple in comparison to the vast amount of variables in WT cannot figure out effective anti-esp/aimbot

      All that being said, I don't agree with censorship, but anyone who thinks they just need to spend more money on anti-cheat is a bit unrealistic.

      [–]Westwick 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Yep it's an ongoing battle. Anti-cheat detection can be effective but it takes time for it to work. Ban instantly and the bad guys know what to avoid. Ban too late and it's pointless because they have already had their fun and detracted from others enjoyment.

      The best approach I have seen in other games is quite old-fashioned really. It's based more on combined human and software approach to detect cheaters. It does require significant man hours though, as all reports need to be processed thoroughly by a real human. What you end up with however is what could be considered 'cheating detectives'. Experts who can quickly browse stats, visual evidence, gameplay traits, and user history, to determine what is cheating and what is a false report of a skilled player.

      Ultimately this can be expensive in terms of man hours, but it is extremely effective at increasing user confidence and deterring potential cheaters. If users are assured that the system works, then as a result they would more likely to send confidential reports rather than make public accusations of the kind Gaijin doesn't want. Any form of censorship will only create even more attention and hysteria around the issue of cheating. It will also give users the impression that Gaijin is ineffective at combating the issue regardless of how good they really are.

      The message and evidence that Gaijin needs to give is this - That they are on top of it and you don't have to make public cheat reports or accusations. They will catch them. This shows us that they are in control of the issue, giving confidence to users and warning to potential cheaters.

      The message they are instead giving is this - You are not allowed to make public cheat reports, or we will cripple the game to negate the effect of cheating no matter how small it is. This gives nothing but uncertainty and doubt for users. Any potential loss in players due to cheating will be far less than what they lose by removing a large part of the game.

      Cheating is a big issue indeed. But pretending it's not there or silencing those who point it out, is only going to aggravate the situation further

      [–]SeanMirrsen 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Cheating is a big issue indeed. But pretending it's not there or silencing those who point it out, is only going to aggravate the situation further

      The problem is that the more information there is about cheating, the more temptation there is to an inclined person to go and find the cheats. By enforcing the notion that there are no cheats, Gaijin are effectively doing the equivalent of "idiot-proofing" - regular, simple people who make up the overwhelming majority of players in WT may not be idiots, but there are those among them who would cheat just for the heck of it if only someone pointed them in the right direction, because they are lazy (either to get better at the game, or to go out and search). Someone high-profile like Phly putting out a video showcasing what cheating in this game can do, could, to one of those lazy-ass cheating-inclined individuals, be a powerful 'awesome magnet' - they'd go and try it out, just because they saw it in a popular guy's YouTube video.

      Net effect is more cheaters, and more headache for Gaijin. There is really only one good way to go - which is to prevent public cheater showcases, since the cheater bans aren't going to stop so long as private cheater reports keep happening.

      The poll, I think, is just there to hammer the point - "If faced with the options, break the game or stop public cheat reports, which would you choose" is a purposely bad poll, and the percentage of votes that the "bring back markers" option is getting is, I think, only indicative of how many people there are that are only playing War Thunder "just because".

      [–]Westwick 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yes I believe this has elements of a diversion such that they can sneak markers back in. If the poll was a simple yes/no for having markers, it would be a landslide for no.

      On the issue of covering up cheating, it might work. I get the concept, but I think it's wrong. It's complete uncertainty for anyone who requires a point of reference before they make a report. I think the better approach to take is at least the appearance of working with the community to prevent cheating. If Gaijin had said, yes we are aware of this instance and it is being resolved, it sends a positive message to the community that they are ahead of cheaters. It also sends the message to potential cheaters that it is a futile thing to attempt.

      What they have done here is said to everyone, don't talk about cheating. All that does is create suspicion and doubt in the company. You would be forgiven in thinking there was a serious cheating problem if any mention of it was censored. That's just how people think. It would make them paranoid, and therefore report more often, perhaps more than any cheating showcase would. On top of that, people would be less confident in how Gaijin handles the game. Less confidence = less purchasing. Instead they should be showing us just how good they are at stopping cheaters.

      What I would love to know is exactly how much these kind of videos increase the amount of cheaters. Surely more cheaters would mean more obvious evidence of cheating and therefore a quicker response. If it's only a handful of people more, that will make little to no difference to almost every player. I can't say that I have ever seen any slight hint of cheating in my hundreds of hours put into this game.

      It's my opinion that any anti-cheat developer would welcome more evidence than less. They should welcome more cheat reports whether or not they are valid, and whether or not they are public. If they can't handle more reports, they need to expand.

      For all the reasons mentioned, I find this whole affair to be highly dubious. As a result I am far less confident in Gaijin's ability to detect and prevent cheats. I distrust them for attempting to censor what I reasoned should be welcomed. I suspect them of using this as a diversion to distract from other issues and agendas. Whether or not this reaction is founded in the truth, it is still how myself and many other customers will feel. I would wager this will cause the loss of more users than any potential gain in cheaters would.

      [–]karnisov 23ポイント24ポイント  (10子コメント)

      I do not like either option in your poll.

      If PhlyDaily is just talking about someone else hacking to draw attention to a problem, that is not sufficient reason to have his video removed.

      Open discussion is something we value in western countries. It seems like you are trying to stop open discussion by forcing a video takedown.

      No markers in RB.

      [–]Kingperor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Seem like you forgotten gaijin is made in russia. :D there is no such free speech in communism komrade.

      [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

      This video is already removed, by Phly personally.

      We are discussing in open discussion, future yet unreleased video.

      [–]in WT hype = premium vehicleottersRneat 17ポイント18ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Removed by him BECAUSE of you. You abuse DMCA takedowns and by trying to "protect" your game you put his livelihood at risk. This is his job. This is how he SURVIVES. You're willing to potentially destroy someone's life because he made a video that showed a flaw in your game. Not only all of that but he's a supporting customer of your game. That doesn't mean anything to you.

      You realize a takedown is a strike, right? Three strikes and your YouTube channel is banned. Jesus Christ, Anton. This affects more than just your wounded ego.

      [–]4x20mm Blaze itIstoppedtime 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You've given us a very poor Ultimatum Anton. Its dissapointing that you think that censoring or striking videos or ruining a gamemode is the only viable option...

      Why do you simply not integrate an Anti-Cheating software and implement better moderation tools to fight back against cheaters instead of saying "take down videos" or "'make a gamemode useless"

      [–]oneofyou 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

      ... Where's the link to Phly's video on cheaters?

      [–]die689 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I feel sorry to see this. It looks to me that Gaijin has already lose their battle of anti-cheating, and have to resort to censorship for damage control.

      Phly should have his freedom of speech on his gaming experience (he didn't intend to showcase or advocate cheating, he did nothing wrong) so I can't really support the idea of censorship. And if Gajin is going to reintroduce marker for RBGF, well, I will have to give up this game mode. Probably just give up GF altogether, the high tier grinding is unbearable anyway.

      Anton, thanks for coming here for our opinion, I voted for returning of marker in RBGF.

      [–]reasonlogicNrealism 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I am very frightened by the way this issue is dealt with. It looks like Gaijin doesn't want to actually deal properly with this matter and wants to go back to the time when cheats were ignored by the playerbase. Neither of the alternatives they are giving us are in the players' interests.

      While I dislike Phly on certain aspects, in now way is he in the wrong here; and censorship won't help decrease cheating, it will just help clean the game's reputation.

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        [–]RetiredReutertu3 41ポイント42ポイント  (24子コメント)

        What a silly PR stunt.

        Out of your own inability to implement sufficient anti-cheat mechanics you put the community at the crossroads of either DMCAing a Youtuber for talking about an actual problem of the game or change the gameplay entirely by re-activing the markers - complete neglecting that the same issues are present in SB as well.

        Is this your honest idea of damage control? How about a 3rd option instead? Step up your game in the anti-cheat department. Working visibility checks would be good for a start.

        [–]Self proclaimed tow-cable guyVoxination 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

        There's a old saying in turkish about "stick with shit at both ends"

        No matter where you hold it from it will get on you somehow and having to choose between 2 equally bad choices.

        [–]Saltzier 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

        you put the community at the crossroads of either DMCAing a Youtuber for showcasing an actual problem of the game or change the gameplay entirely by re-activing the markers

        This. You give either the option of broad stroke suppression or breaking the game mode.

        [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (21子コメント)

        In case if you haven't noticed we are pretty good in the anti-cheat.

        Yes, there is a limit of what our license allows youtubers to do.

        And showcasing a EULA violation (or advertising 3rd party software) is not allowed by our license. We don't want to encourage people to do it.

        You can say it is "real problem" but it is same "problem" as, I don't know, showcasing pedophilic statements in a game chat as "real problem" (and our EULA is not allowing that either).

        Most of major online publishers do not allow that, and they don't make any polls.

        Also, in case you haven't noticed, we haven't DMCAed anyone. That's kind of question.

        We either will fight with cheaters like we did before (including striking any such videos), or stop fighting and change game mode.

        [–]RB GFAngel-0a 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

        including striking any such videos

        While I totally understand your opinion on harmfulness of such videos, I have to ask you if you and your team considered leaving things the way they are. As I understand, your main concern is a possibility of players leaving the game due to cheating problem. There was a thread about cheating problem in the game very recently on this sub and majority of opinions (mine included) was that cheaters are a marginal problem and they are hardly noticeable. No one really seems that concerned about cheaters actually. However, as you probably noticed, it seems you risk losing much more players just by introducing markers back to RB. I really don't think it's worth it, as far as number of players goes.

        So maybe it would be wise not to touch this subject, just hunt for cheaters as you do, burn them on stakes publicly but leave youtubers alone. I think half of them publish their video rants out of conviction, that your silence means you don't care about the problem. Now they know you do. This alone will probably help reduce numbers of such videos in the future.

        [–]RetiredReutertu3 11ポイント12ポイント  (11子コメント)

        In case if you haven't noticed we are pretty good in the anti-cheat.

        Then why not keep it that way? You claim that the number of cheaters you have caught dwindled from a "couple of hundreds" to only somewhere around 20. Given these numbers are representative of the actual number of cheaters plaguing the game, then this is hardly an issue on a global scale.

        The other option is that these numbers don't even come close to the actual amount of cheaters, making either the suppression of videos showcasing cheats or completely modifying a certain gamemode a viable and necessary option.

        Yes, there is a limit of what our license allows youtubers to do. And showcasing a EULA violation (or advertising 3rd party software) is not allowed by our license. We don't want to encourage people to do it.

        I can't anything in War Thunder's EULA which prohibits users from speaking about cheats. And quite frankly "speaking" is all the certain Youtuber in question has been doing. This wasn't exactly a proper showcase of game modifications and/or cheats by any means.

        You can say it is "real problem" but it is same "problem" as, I don't know, showcasing pedophilic statements in a game chat as "real problem" (and our EULA is not allowing that either).

        That's not a gameplay related problem. Cheating is.

        Most of major online publishers do not allow that, and they don't make any polls.

        I honestly wonder how the CS:GO community would react if Valve made them decide between completely changing the game to make cheating less of a problem (i.e giving everybody a wallhack) or silencing every voice in social media that even dares to talk about cheating. This is kinda what you are doing right now.

        [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

        I can't anything in War Thunder's EULA

        Terms of Use (which is part of use) has it.

        In EULA there is prohibition to advertise other 3rd party software.

        You can say it is "real problem" but it is same "problem" as, I don't know, showcasing pedophilic statements in a game chat as "real problem" (and our EULA is not allowing that either).

        That's not a gameplay related problem. Cheating is.

        So youtubers should not be allowed to discuss unrelated to gameplay problems?! Doesn't sound right to me.

        What does sound right that people are not allowed to violate EULA/ToU.

        [–]-GSqd- zdzalaosimerah 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Please don't change the gamemode. Markers wouldn't help avert cheating as its not about if you can see the enemy or not, it's more about pulling off bullshit shots through forests and the like. Would markers somehow level the playing field for a non-cheater? No.

        [–]DLLaxe 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Then i don't understand how did you ever think that it will be great idea to suggest Abuse of Take down mechanics in youtube to shit on Fair Use censoring people that you have zero right to do so.

        Dear god do you work for Kremlin? Internet is not Soviet Union... yes you can try to do this but it will not end good. you are destroying this game and community....

        [–]fatkidfallsdown 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

        most of major online publishers do not allow that, and they don't make any polls.

        really that must be why DICE takes down videos of cheaters made by youtubers oh wait they dont.

        [–]Self proclaimed tow-cable guyVoxination 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Hmm, choosing between equally shitty choices, either sweeping the problem under a rug or remove something everyone likes, people will cheat if they want to, even one with half a brain cell can go into google and write "cheat warthunder" and get ton of hits, pick one, it doesn't require someone to publicize on a video there are cheats existing for a game. Hell, maybe the one who is searching for cheat will get scammed in the meanwhile and won't try again.

        As such, I choose neither. Step up on your anti-cheat first, cover up the flaws later.

        [–]MasterraceoftheWehrmahtKelloPudgerro 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I play tanks rarely due to the insanely slow grind,but when i play tanks,i play rb. This basicly is asking if i support DMCA abuse on youtube or if i support basicly killing rb,and my answer to that is fuck you and i will move on.

        [–]Every tank unlocked (1.57)Hazey652 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Please please please dont put makers on RB because of the very small group of people that may possible be using cheats, I would rather get killed through 1km worth of forest once or twice in thousands of games because of wall hacks than lose all interest in the mode all together.

        And what if the markers came back to RB? The (few?) hackers go play SB and SB then gets markers then? :S

        [–]Celebrinborn 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'm currently uninstalling over option 1.

        It is completely unacceptable for any company to threaten to use copyright law to censor discussion

        [–]Rufuske 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Being russian is not a nationality, it's state of mind.

        [–]全機爆装!Blasterion 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Neither, markers should stay hidden

        I don't believe in censorship of content. If there is a true way to fix this through coding and programming to hard remove markers in rb that is preferred.

        [–]All_Kill_WizardVFJX 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I saw the video in question, and this doesn't mean that I'll be going to google asap and search "WT X-Rays H4X RB" or whatever, and he didn't even said there's a software in the first place he just shows someone doing impossible shots.

        You can censor all the videos you want but cheaters will keep cheating, and without the correct information people would not be able to identify correctly such individuals, instead you'll get plenty of false reports so in the end it seems you're shooting youselves in the foot, also returning markers without having SB in the normal queue is another bad idea so don't do it please.

        In the end to me both options seem incorrect, I would suggest that you just need to apply better criteria when striking such videos because sooner or later everyone will now there're ways to cheat in your game.

        Also completely unrelated, why the hell is the M36 at 6.3?

        [–]1000€Milleuros 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Simply put : do not change the gameplay because of potential cheaters.

        You can strike cheaters with the mighty banhammer as much as you want, but altering the experience of all players because some guys might be cheating is a bad idea.

        Current RB tank gamemode is successful, don't change the main mechanics of how it works.

        [–]War-Thunder tumblr OwnerJHayday 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Markers are a big no from me, it gives tanks such as the Leopard a chance to actually do well in an environment they were sort of made to fight in as the element of surprise is key. If anything, the main thing I would do to change RB is give 3 respawns, no more, no less, but have aircraft as one of these WITH a respawn cost while making tanks free to help prolong games!

        [–]Crumpet MuncherFrederick_the_medico 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Adding markers to RB will kill it for me.

        [–]maxout2142 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Adding censorship will kill the game for everyone.

        [–]Slayer of the DanskjävelTinyTinyDwarf 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Anton, you're forcing us to accept censorship or ruin the RB gamemode? Are you insane?

        This is utterly disgusting. Our choices should've been A: Introduce markers into RB or B: Find and ban any cheaters. Not fucking censorship!

        The cheaters are not the majority, and I've never seen one myself (2400+ hours into the game), And It'll force me to motherfucking leave.

        You're not providing us, your own damn customers any reasonable option. You're holding a gun to our heads - forcing us to make a choice of either censor the entire community because of your hilarious incompetence at fixing the game, or ruin one of the gamemodes.

        People are fucking stupid if they use the "go play SB" as an excuse. I WANT TO SEE MY ENTIRE FUCKING TANK, NOT THE TURRET!. The only reason some fucktard says they want RB with markers is because they're so fucking bad at the game and they need help in getting anywhere, or they want to use their fucking planes in an ARCADE STYLE environment.

        Might as well move to WOT if you're going to force arcade into our fucking throats!

        How dare you treat your customers like this?

        [–]reasonlogicNrealism 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I was shocked when I saw this post. Gaijin has always been a little bit edgy, but this is on another level. It's frightening.

        None of the alternatives we're given are in the player's interest, they're calculated calls to make the issue disappear from Gaijin's point of view. Either clear up the game's reputation without solving the problem - just hiding it under a rock (and as much as I dislike Phly, accusing him of promoting cheats as an excuse to censor him is very cheap), or fuck up with the players' enjoyment by breaking the game.

        This is extremely concerning. The CEO himself is treating us like dumb sheeple.

        [–]Slayer of the DanskjävelTinyTinyDwarf 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yes, Completely agree. I am especially concerned of those whom seem to have no issue with the censorship. They encourage it even. It shows us whom they truly serve.

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          [–]fishcakepatriot 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Here's the video that triggered this (bless the Chinese's iffy sense of copyrights.) Link.

          [–]OP-34NotAzakanAtAll 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Thanks, good to know what's not accepted I guess!

          [–]KV-2 Stronk!MrBlankenshipESQ 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

          /u/AntonYudintsev, I would suggest a third option: Don't strike the videos down but also leave the markers out. I said as much on the official forum thread, but I feel it would be much easier for you to see if I post it here as well with a ping.

          [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 37ポイント38ポイント  (143子コメント)

          Dear RB players!

          As you all know, one of the main differences between AB and RB is the existence of "enemy markers". Initially RB GF mode has the same visibility system as Arcade, but due to community requests, we switched off enemy markers in RB. This gives better immersion and deeper tactics but also leads to an ability to illegally modify the client of the game to gain an unfair advantage by showing this marker to someone (a.k.a. "Wallhack").

          Due to the online nature of the game and really large distances of spotting/visibility as well as the distance of unconditional spotting (hearing distance) it is not technically possible to completely remove such threat, without showing actual information on a client (AB enemy markers). This was to be expected and we conveyed this concern, but all together we chose the "fight with bad guys" approach, since such an unfair advantage is relatively small (although still existent).

          We routinely find and ban such bad guys, and at the end of last year we decided to announce "waves of bans".This was a very successful way, and we have seen a constant decrease of numbers in such cases, from an initial couple of hundred to almost twenty last month. Of course, it is still a sword & shield competition, since we can only start to find illegal modifications after they have been made, not in advance, but the situation was under control and slowly improving.

          As a well established industry-standard, we can not forbid the "bad guys" to play or ban them immediately after EULA violation - this will help the creators of such software to find ways to get around our methods. So, we usually do that on an approximately monthly basis (or if the chances of seeing one in a battle became higher than 0.5%), we also do not always ban those who did it if they have first tried it not long before the ban wave or even if they did it only a couple of times. Again, this is the industry standard of a "penalty approach" - it really helps to fight illegal software.

          However, our rules (as well as this subreddit rules) forbid any advertising or discussion of such illegal modifications, since it does only harm. Any such "discussion" works both as an advertisement of illegal modification, and ”convinces incorrectly” a lot of people, that any good player or any lucky shot is because someone is cheating (I have personally been reported as "cheater" multiple time).

          That's why it is forbidden by our rules and we strike down such videos as soon as we find them (usually it is advertisement videos from the software creators).

          However, a very respected youtuber PhlyDaily has recently released a video of this kind. This video, regardless of the "I am against cheaters" disclaimer was working very much as an advertisement of illegal software, basically working against it's own disclaimer (it also discouraged players in participating in RB, exaggerating the current situation). Thanks to this video, we are already seeing some growth of interest for such software. There is no help to be gained from such a video that the developers or our community can get. It also violates our EULA/Terms of Use as it works as an advertisement of commercial software, and thus violates our public copyright license for youtubers as well.

          We immediately contacted PhlyDaily, but he refused to remove this video (regardless of its violation of our license), and although he hid it later it is still available by direct link. I am sure, he meant best, but issue still there. Of course, we have rights to strike down this video (and more importantly others of such kind), as it is not only violating our public license, but also damages the game for honest players. PhlyDaily is a very respected (by both developers (sincerely! I like most of his videos as well as other developers in team) and community) youtuber and we don't want this strike to look like an act of censorship of his free will, even if we want best for the game itself.

          We can also return enemy markers back to the RB game mode, and that will effectively put an end to any "wallhack" in that mode, like in an AB. Otherwise it is impossible to completely overcome these "cheaters" in RB, we can only ban them after a wrongdoing (which we already were doing, and very effectively). However, if we can't fight such advertisements, than what now is obviously not much of a problem will become very significant one, and can possibly ruin the experience for everyone.

          We had a very intense and lengthy internal discussion in what to do with the situation and then decided to let our community choose.

          So, what shall we choose, besides finding and punishing bad guys and announce that on the forums, as we already doing?

          1) Strike any such videos, according to our license, and fight any advertisement (or "discussion") of illegal modifications in general, regardless of any "disclaimers" in a video.

          2) Change the game mode design - Return markers to RB mode and put an end to any reason for modifications.

          Please vote!

          [–]PhlyDaily 121ポイント122ポイント  (66子コメント)

          1. The video is hidden
          2. Why is this public? This is a personal affair.
          3. If anyone wants to cheat they will. If anyone wants to steal they will. If anyone wants to torrent a game they will.
          4. I never showcased a cheat... I showed a replay of someone I thought that was cheating.
          5. Videos like this will help you identify and and hone in on cheating mods in the game.
          6. When you state "There is no help to be gained from such a video that the developers or our community can get." I think it does help because it puts pressure on your team to identify problems in the game.
          7. Maybe introduction an "overwatch" something like CS:GO could aid in purging cheaters from the game.
          8. Please for the love of god, do not put markers back in RB Tanks.
          9. Have a good weekend Anton

          -edit I wrote in bullets/numbers not to be sassy, but I have to edit for the weekend today. Not enough time to think/write properly.

          [–]die689 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Hey Phly I like your youtube channel, keep up the good work.

          [–]verethra ahmi verethravastemôVerethra 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The video is hidden

          Well you can still find the video somewhere else. Don't underestimate Internet bru!

          [–]Finally in SBDr_shiffla 14ポイント15ポイント  (7子コメント)

          This is Ridiculous. We shouldn't be bullied into censorship just because the CEO of this entire company decides he doesn't want to deal with it properly and makes us chose an ultimatum between choices that barely even correspond with each other. If he makes us "choose" to put RB markers back in then I'm done and I can guess so are a ton of other people, but im not gonna vote to censor Youtubers who basically promote there game for them to thousands of people. I've stuck with this game for going on 4 years now, but if they go back to the yay tanks were when they first came out I'm done. I'll just play another game like IL2 or DCS and give them my money. Phly doesn't even have a press account anymore, but he still stuck to this game and gave them his money. Just because he put up a video of a replay showing questionable things in this game. None of witch showcased concrete evidence of cheating. I'm still in awe that the CEO would make a move like this on the small community that care about the game.

          [–]PzKpfw M4 748 (a)Luna_Sakara 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

          If he makes us "choose" to put RB markers back in then I'm done and I can guess so are a ton of other people.

          Well, I want to point this out first. - This is basically why arcade is (fucking) shit, being spotted at all times invalidates so many combat options and possible counter play options.

          Put that in RB, where players are already honed for seeking hidden targets, players that know how to run a CAS mission - with out suicide bombing the ground for a kill. Might as well consider my wallet closed.

          We shouldn't be bullied into censorship

          And this is one of the larger problems I've had with the game, I can assume a good many people involved in it are perfectly normal, well adjusted people who do this because it's something they love, and it's profitable.

          But why dose it constantly feel like the people in power treat this community like the oppressed masses of a tyrannical regime. I mean, that might work when the people you're trying to oppress can't leave... but this is a game, one I and indeed any of us can freely leave anytime.

          Phly doesn't even have a press account anymore, but he still stuck to this game and gave them his money.

          Proof, that there are people who really care about this game, I'm one of them too. I have no problem saying that, I love the game, it's well made, looks amazing - and for the most part seems to cohesively move in the right direction.

          But all the scandalous, and nonsensical things that seems to be a near daily occurrences behind the scenes really shakes my faith that the game is truly trying to be a success and more of an outlet for angry people to do as they please with out reprise.

          If I could give any advice to the CEO, Calm down. the people who cheat free to play games are people who would never give your game money, and have no respect for the game or the community. While I do partly agree that talking about third party tools might see a rise in use or interest in them. It seems like it would be absolutely marginal - people with invested accounts would almost never hack, those that do are probably not that worthwhile as part of the community anyway. Might be best to layoff the censorship, people are going to talk, you can't stop that from happening. Better to bring this minor issue to light, and work with us to help find and remove the problem. - yes believe it or not, the community will help you fix the problems for free, because we get an awesome game out of it - but needless censorship of something that could be used in your benefit only raises more questions, and makes people talk more, and that will inevitably lead back to you with negativity.

          I don't want that, so, I hope you'll reconsider you're positions on this poll. we don't want markers back, and I see no reason to censor something that could be used to aid you, and us find problems, hackers, and the like to make the game better.

          [–]kataskopo 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

          I really like this game but if they put markets I would definitely stop playing as much, or at all, and that would fucking suck :/

          Please Anton, let the community help you identify cheaters.

          [–]lordikioner 10ポイント11ポイント  (23子コメント)

          Don't let them wound or scare you, Phly.

          [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (22子コメント)

          Don't be silly.

          There are no hard feelings between developers and Phly. He removed video without any copyright strike whatsever.

          It is general question regarding future (potential) videos.

          [–]in WT hype = premium vehicleottersRneat 12ポイント13ポイント  (17子コメント)

          You made it pretty god damn clear that was your next step. Do you remember The Know? I do. You have a proven track record with being a bully.

          [–]lordikioner 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I appreciate that CEO of the company is talking stuff out. I don't think that there is another one who does that. But, if a normal player like me will read that article of yours we will see only that meaning. Wording is really important. And here wording is harsh and that makes it looks like a full whip on the back of Phly.

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            [–]Baron_Tiberius 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

            While I don't agree with censorship, you have to take some responsibility over the influence you have with a great many players in this game. It may seem morally right to point out cheaters in the game but the real effect is spreading information that there are cheats out there - and if what Anton says is true than that is quantifiable.

            Cheating in this game seems very rare, and if the most effective was of dealing with it is to not talk about it - then everyone with a vested interest in the game should do their best to not spread it.

            This poll will probably cause more stink and visibility over the issue and IMO was a bad idea, not to mention the non-exclusive poll options forcing strategic voting.

            [–]Ich bin ein YouTuber!Hirumaru 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

            but the real effect is spreading information that there are cheats out there

            Doesn't fucking matter unless you're a cheater. Only cheaters use cheats. Are you calling everyone who watches his videos a latent cheater?

            Does watching violent movies make people violent? No. Does watching a YouTube video about suspected cheating make people cheat? No.

            What fucking bullshit, boyo. The ones who cheat already know about this shit. They're cheaters. They don't just wait for some wiseass to post a video; they go out and look for themselves long before us rule-abiding ever get wind of it.

            [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (18子コメント)

            Hi Phly!

            1. Video was still available by direct link.:) But we are referring to future potential videos.

            2. it is more of general question. We need to know how solve such issues before they got hundreds of thousands of views. If we were not able to get even your video hidden after discussion - then we will have even harder times with others. Please do not take it personally or any offend. I tried to show my respect to you couple of times in this statement and I meant it.

            3. And the more videos about such software people will release, the more people will want it.

            4. Well, he was cheating :) But that even is not a question - video was still stating it.

            5. Nope, it actually doesn't. It helps only to sell such software. Also, if you want to help - you can send video directly to developers.

            6. Nope. There is completely no use. It result in player's churn, it results in numerous false "cheat reporters", it results in more cheaters, and all of this does put pressure on us, but there is literally no help whatsever.

            7. may be

            8. We won't, if people won't vote for it. Democracy in action!!!

            9. You too, man :) And I wish to see more great videos from you!

            [–]17njl01 23ポイント24ポイント  (11子コメント)

            Nope, it actually doesn't. It helps only to sell such software. Also, if you want to help - you can send video directly to developers.

            I'm not sure I understand the correlation between a video showing a cheater and the boost of sales of any cheating software. It would seem that they would have nothing to do with it, as I watched the video Phly put out, and he never identified the software that the player used, he just simply said that he was cheating and showed how said player would have cheated. I don't know how that would boost the sales of cheat software, in fact, I would think it would lower the sales because of a major youtube like Phly called this player out on his cheating, which would, in my mind, deter someone from doing so because of the negative fallout on that player.

            [–]US APDS can't detonate Soviet ammo racks, 1917 was an inside jobBreads_Labyrinth 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

            I think the argument is that if a famous Youtuber puts up a video showcasing a cheater, regardless of intention or even how much information on the cheat is included, this will inevitably make the knowledge of cheats more widespread. The more people that know about cheats, the more people will cheat, because cheaters are a percentage of the population - the more people know about the cheat, some of them are going to go and look up cheats. This in turn means more work for Gaijin and a higher chance of running into a cheater in a game.

            On the flip side, you could argue that exposing cheaters via replay could help inform the general populace what to look for when they suspect someone of hacking, by showing them an example, however given "wallhacks" are the only viable cheat currently, you could argue that it's quite obvious what to look for.

            [–]17njl01 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yeah, I agree. It just didn't really make sense to me as the video itself was fairly harmless in its intention, because all he was doing was just pointing out how bs the shots were and how there was no possible way that it wasnt cheating. And I feel that Gaijin is overreacting over this whole dealio, because if someone wanted to cheat, they would actually go through the effort of looking it up, instead of waiting for a video showing the cheat.

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              [–]Baron_Tiberius 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Phly's videos are seen by a lot of players. Many might not have known that cheats existed for the game, as it projects a myth of no-cheats. You don't have to be told the name of the anything to find it, that's why google exists.

              The kind of people that cheat in games are only in it for themselves, and don't give a rat's ass what anyone (even a popular youtuber) thinks.

              [–]17njl01 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

              I dont think anyone believed that there were no cheats in this game. And you are right, people who cheat don't really care, but you woud still think it would have an adverse effect on the groups of people who do cheat.

              [–]Baron_Tiberius 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              still think it would have an adverse effect

              But why? Did they secretly think before that Phly liked cheating? You don't go and pay for a hack when you're that impressionable.

              I dont think anyone believed that there were no cheats in this game.

              not-new-players, no they usually know that cheats exist. However Phly's channel attracts a lot of new and casual(infrequent) players who are more likely to not know.

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                [–]lordikioner 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                :\ When Overwatch is coming out?

                [–]Forum ModeratorKillerAceUSAF 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Comes out Monday at 4pm Western time.

                [–]Mmm. Tastes like Communism and shame.kmacku 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Democracy in action!!!

                Giving voters a choice between two terrible options and calling it Democracy. Taking lessons from us Americans, I see!

                [–]LawDog03 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Oh yes. Two bullshit options to vote on. True democracy. Give you permission to abuse the strike system. Or ruin a game mode (which I'm sure you will do anyways given enough time, just like sim eh?).

                [–]Farleys RusFagsSkip_Intro 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Re: 7. If you do not wish to take coders away from developing the game, contact and discuss with (for example) Infistar https://infistar.de/ possible integrated solutions. This tool was invaluable within the DayZ mod community. This is the kind of tool that would give your moderators an actual use, beyond their current role as community irritations, following up on reports, investigating and acting upon.

                P.S Implementing markers in RB would kill WT entirely for me too.

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                  [–]ABrokenWolf 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  I am voting in the poll now, but I wanted to reply directly to you here, adding markers would ruin the gameplay that makes RB such a draw for many of us, I would not continue to play RB if markers were added back (which means I would likely not continue to play at all)

                  [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  If we would think that EVERYONE would be happy with markers there would not be anything to ask.

                  But it is not 100% bad change, a lot of people seem to like that.

                  It is hard to make good choice for everyone :(.

                  [–]Poly-sciArmyGuy 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Bringing in markers would ruin the mode for me. Lack of markers is (among other things) a main reason that I left World of Tanks for WT.

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                    [–]KVEnricoMicheli 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Having strike videos on one side and change the game mode on the other seems a way of tying two separate decisions into one single vote.

                    [–]lordikioner 35ポイント36ポイント  (38子コメント)

                    You are basically asking us to either kill RB mode or approve censorship. You just received our whole support and respect over all these cool news we were given and RP boost for air...and now this.

                    [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (37子コメント)

                    Well, you can put it that way, but that is very twisted.

                    I am sure you agree that there is limit to what one can do with freedom of information. Using our game for advertisement of 3rd party commercial product or EULA violations is not allowed by our public license.

                    It has nothing to do with freedom of speech or freedom of opinion.

                    Just please don't publish videos with EULA violation in it. Show your opinion in some other video.

                    [–]Saltzier 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Well, you can put it that way, but that is very twisted.

                    Currently the the poll offers only two extremes and no third "I can't/won't vote for either one." third option.

                    It would be very beneficial to see the relative percentages of those who do not want option 1 or 2.

                    [–]KVEnricoMicheli 11ポイント12ポイント  (18子コメント)

                    Well, you can put it that way, but that is very twisted.

                    While there's been a recent discussion on the different view of perceived censorship in the russian culture, which would excuse you from not seing this as an ultimatum, the "internet" stance on this is pretty obviously leaning towards the "never censor" choice, so it seems easy to guess that many feel this as a forced decision to fight censorship.

                    [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (17子コメント)

                    That's fine.

                    BTW, in-house internal discussion let to exactly same decision - "let's not strike anything, let's return just markers".

                    It is much simpler for everyone and 100% efficient.

                    [–]Westwick 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Returning markers removes the main reason people play Realistic Battles. You might not have as many cheaters, and you also might not have as many players.

                    But yes it does make it all much simpler. That is, the decision to stop playing will be very simple.

                    [–]да ТоварищArthanias 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    Basically though, wouldn't adding markers just be letting the cheaters win?

                    [–]PzKpfw M4 748 (a)Luna_Sakara 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Cheaters can't cheat if everyone is cheating. That's some quality logic.

                    [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    No, not doing anything will be letting them win.

                    You are not really thinking they are fighting for returning of markers, are you...? They only care about there personal advantage.

                    [–]да ТоварищArthanias 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    I know, what i meant was that cheaters install these mods so they can have markers, so if you give them markers normally then they get what they want without it even being illegal.

                    I'm not saying we should do nothing. As you said; current measures employed are already lowering the amount of cheaters by a big amount, so if you keep doing that i think the problem will remain relatively small.

                    And finally, some cheaters just cheat because they like the feeling. So if you give them markers they will just find something else to cheat for.

                    [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    And finally, some cheaters just cheat because they like the feeling. So if you give them markers they will just find something else to cheat for.

                    Which in this case will be some other game :)

                    [–]да ТоварищArthanias 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Which wouldn't fix the problem, it would just move it.

                    I love this game, and I think Gaijin is a good company, but if you go with either of the options that are being presented right now, a massive shitstorm will erupt.

                    If markers are added to RB, it would lose tons of players and basically lose the one thing that makes it unique.

                    If you start deleting videos, people from all gamemodes will leave, and some youtubers will probably stop covering the game.

                    I beg you to close this poll and start a more nuanced discussion with the playerbase on what to do, as the way it's looking now it can only end badly, and i'd hate to see that.

                    [–]KVEnricoMicheli 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    The thing is markers absence is a defining feature of RB, removing it could lead to many stop playing it, as that's a 100% likelihood of getting a match with markers (obviously), while now there's only around a 0.5% likelihood of getting a match with a cheater, as you said.

                    [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    It was 0.5%. With advertising it can became much more, up to 100%.

                    [–]fatkidfallsdown 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    no it cant

                    [–]Westwick 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Gives some insight into the mentality though doesn't it....

                    [–]ethanrdale 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Are you implying that your entire player base including yourself will cheat if people make videos discussing cheating?

                    [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Of course not.

                    You need only about 3% of cheaters of all player base to have 100% chance of meeting one in a match. You got 32 players max in a match.

                    [–]kataskopo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    So you would rather let the small, minuscule amount of cheaters win than let people discuss about cheating?

                    [–]in WT hype = premium vehicleottersRneat 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    So your team favors punishing the average player over censorship and censorship over fixing your game. You do realize we pay you money, right?

                    [–]lordikioner 24ポイント25ポイント  (8子コメント)

                    With all due respect, you are making us deal with an ultimatum, and you know that.

                    [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    It is developers who are faced ultimatum.

                    We have two choices: fight with "wallhack" in RB with all resources or change RB game mode rules.

                    Of course, all of us has third option "not fight cheaters and not do anything", but developers can't choose it, because we don't want to see RB mode dying.

                    But if you insist, I can add third option to poll.

                    [–]lordikioner 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    3: "Every WT youtuber will sign an NDA waiver about cheats and in addition - We will buy an anti-cheat system or make our own." ?

                    [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    What...? We already have anticheat system.

                    It is only effective if there are not so many cheaters, because we can't ban instantly, or bad guys will find a way around it.

                    [–]lordikioner 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Then there is another problem - lack of communication. I am actively playing since December 2013 and actual anticheat system working in WT (apart from ban system, something that instantly recognize cheats or can prevent their usage) is news for me.

                    [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Ban waves reports are posted on forum since last December.

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                      [–]Talpaman 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      we don't want to see RB mode dying.

                      you guys already killed sim, this will kill realistic.

                      [–]Stop ruining SB GFDortmunder1 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      You'll have to explain at what point Phly advertised a cheat. Pointing out that someone was cheating in a game he was playing isn't an advertisement...

                      I've run across a cheater, have proof, reported it. Gaijin won't do anything about it. Maybe you should worry more about enforcing bans, than worrying about people pointing out that you aren't doing it.

                      You'd think a CEO would understand something so simple.

                      [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      You'll have to explain at what point Phly advertised a cheat. Pointing out that someone was cheating in a game he was playing isn't an advertisement...

                      I would argue here (although no doubt it was not intentional), but it is not even a question. Our license is not allowing broadcast any EULA violation (and cheat is obviously violation).

                      [–]V V V V Vfighterpilot248 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Ok, so I get that cheating is against the EULA, as with many MMO's. But how is showing off a cheat through the replay system, which cannot actively show a cheat, especially from another players perspective, (IE player A cheats, and then player B views his replay file showing that player A did in fact cheat) count as a violation of the EULA? The user viewing the replay is simply using a part of the game to show that another user is cheating.

                      I get it's a violation if someone makes a video titled "War Thunder Wall Hack" that shows the illegal mod being used, but when all a user is doing is showcasing that someone is cheating, an EULA violation makes no sense.

                      Ban the cheaters, not the whistle blowers bringing attention to the cheaters.

                      (Side note: Sorry if this is poorly written and hard to understand, I can clarify if need be.)

                      [–]Stop ruining SB GFDortmunder1 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Exactly my point. He showed a replay, and in no way "broadcasted" a cheat. He simply recorded and uploaded a replay of a game. Last time I checked, that's allowed. You're saying if someone mentions the word cheater in a video, it's against the EULA. lol, sorry, no.

                      You know when I started to look up cheats on Youtube? When I started running into them in-game, not because someone pointed out there were cheats.

                      All games have cheats, whether you like it or not. The only thing you can really do about it is create a team of people to investigate then punish them. Also adding in-game features for players to report cheaters(sorta like the Complain button, but which allows you to attach a replay or something) would help.

                      [–]Ich bin ein YouTuber!Hirumaru 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      You're right, it isn't a question. He wasn't advertising shit. You're getting your panties in a twist over a non-issue.

                      Sorry, but hacks exist for your game. They can adversely affect the experience of your players. Sometimes those players are YouTubers who make a video about their experience.

                      Get down off your cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get the fuck over it.

                      [–]Nyito 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I believe the fear here is that you'd overreach. There's a very fine line between violating a license with a monetized video and simply posting a video about it. Copyright striking the former, while possibly technically within your rights still reeks of censorship(even if technically correct). Copyright striking the latter I am quite sure, layman as I am, is not within the bounds of the system, and violates freedom of information and communication rights.

                      You can of course take punitive action to his game account, his posting privileges on the Live site, on your own official forums; these are realms where your company makes the rules, and in the end we have no say in how they are run. But reaching beyond that get very murky, especially with the way the copyright strike system on youtube is open to flagrant abuse, in exactly this way.

                      [–]Nyito 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Unfortunately it does have some freedom of speech implications.

                      I understand the distinction; it's not that he's showing off a cheat in his video, it's that he's accepting money; an advertised deal, which is in violation of your public license for monetized content.

                      This is not obvious to most people. That if he simply made a video showing off the cheats, you'd take no action. And that similarly, if it was an ad for a cheat in WT on a video not about WT, you'd have no grounds for action; it's this specific circumstance that makes it muddy.

                      I would suggest making an effort to explain this distinction, because most people, myself included, will not immediately make the distinction between 'paid advertisement in violation of public license' and 'censoring every video that shows off a cheat in our game on youtube', the latter of which would be a massive overreach and abuse of the copyright claim system on youtube.

                      Edit: Apparently I misunderstood some of this situation, and what PhlyDaily's video was actually about. Leaving what I wrote as strikethough as I think it's still a valid point, if not applicable to this situation.

                      [–]Forodrim 9ポイント10ポイント  (18子コメント)

                      Sorry, but that is a very shitty poll. Those two option are not two different options.

                      To surpress the video is a bad Idea. For a long time your stance has been "there are no cheats". Videos that show those cheats in action raise awareness and allow users to identify cheaters and report them. (And quite frankly it puts more pressure on you to do something against it)

                      To surrender to the cheaters and ruin RB mode is also not a good option. A lot of people love this mode for exactly the missing markers, and since you already killed SB mode, RB is all there is lest. Personally I will never touch AB mode for tanks and if you bring RB closer to that I'm gone.

                      Both options are not viable and and in no way connected. You are basically forcing us to choose a bad thing so in the end you can say "but the community decided". Your way of community management is still bad ... very bad. You are giving us a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea (between Hitler and Stalin; between Trump and Cruz .... )

                      [–]Waiting on the NAVYthegreatlordlucifer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      more like between trump and Hitlary if you want to keep it even

                      [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (15子コメント)

                      Do you have any other option? Besides obvious "do not fight with cheaters or cheat advertisement", let RB die.

                      For a long time your stance has been "there are no cheats".

                      I use "cheat" only as simplification. It is just same markers, as in AB, which is only "kinda" wallhack (and not 100%, only in certain conditions), and so in AB there are basically no cheats at all, the game design there is cheat-proof.

                      As for RB/SB, and that 3rd party markers will appear in the game, if we won't introduce it ourselves has been stated by me, Kirill and other developers even before CBT, during Alpha, when community insisted on removing markers in FRB mode (yes, there WERE markers in SB during Alpha, ONLY because of inevitable situation like this). So it is absurd to say that "our stance was there are no 3rd party markers" - our stance was the opposite, that it will be even before CBT of planes! Community insisted on removing markers anyway saying that we will have to fight with cheaters. Well, we will fight, but we can not fight just some of then, we need to be able to fight with advertising of it. Which we have all the rights to do, but we don't want this whole "Russian culture censorship" bullshit discussion.

                      Which is why we have this poll.

                      [–]Forodrim 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      Do you have any other option? Besides obvious "do not fight with cheaters or cheat advertisement", let RB die.

                      how about, accept that people make videos about the fact that cheats exist and still work hard to counter them? To hush it up (i like our German "totschweigen" here) does not solve the problem. In the video I don't see any form of advertising.

                      The questions in the poll are not exklusive, this is not an "this or that" decision. yet your poll makes it sound like it is.

                      [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      how about, accept that people make videos about the fact that cheats exist and still work hard to counter them?

                      Well in that case we won't be able to win, regardless of how hard we work.

                      [–]Professional FreeabooBTechUnited 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      To put it much more politely, its quite similar to how antivirus development is. You can never win, only adapt and counter.

                      The only winning move is not to play.

                      [–]fatkidfallsdown 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      you can never win anton holy shit man do you not get that company's with 100 times your value don't win against people who create hacks never have and never will

                      [–]Forodrim 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Well in that case we won't be able to win, regardless of how hard we work.

                      if you think suppressing videos about the existence of cheats will help you, you are mistaken. Security through obscurity does not really work. And really, everyone who plays an online game knows that there will be cheats. Thats not new. Hitting those who expose the cheaters and show them in action and how they work will accomplish nothing.

                      [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      If you think suppressing videos about the existence of cheats will help you, you are mistaken.

                      From what I know (from publishers of ftp FPS games), it does help a lot, but may be you know better. I am glad you are more experienced in that matter.

                      Security through obscurity does not really work.

                      Security has nothing to do with it at all.

                      [–]fatkidfallsdown 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      the game design there is cheat-proof

                      Proof you and your fellows know nothing about security

                      [–]Kingperor 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      So your logic here is trying to blindfold yourself thinking there's no one cheating. Flawless logic by a game company CEO.

                      [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      I am not sure if you read it or understand it.

                      [–]Kingperor 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      No , I think I completely understand what you trying to tell everyone. Its simple , you give everyone "cheat" , then nobody is cheating. If this isnt you trying to blindfold yourself and your team into thinking this could solve the cheating problems , well , I guess low populated game could make alot of cheater go away too.

                      [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Well, that's kinda how RB was before markers were removed.

                      [–]Kingperor 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Like I said, nobody will cheat when nobody is playing the game. Guess that's a solution too , yea?

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                        [–]jdlsharkman 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Holy shit, man. Gaijin has made some mistakes, but you have never fucked up as bad as this. Good luck weathering the storm.

                        [–]SpacemanSkiff 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I've spent money on this game, and absolutely would spend more, but if markers come to RB ground, I will uninstall and never spend another cent on it.

                        [–]LawDog03 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        If you abuse the strike system, or kill RB like you did sim, Enjoy the war thunder hack advertisements you will see popping up.

                        [–]lordikioner 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Markers will kill the mode for a lot of players. And maybe, just maybe, you introduce the system to protect players from such modifications? Not just punish youtubers.

                        [–]I'm not going down without a flightMoonsShadow 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Nice move. You just moved MagzTV away from WT.
                        If I were you I would delete this pole ASAP. Admit a bit of a mistake and move on fixing things that really matter.
                        Love your game but a move like this from the CEO is concerning.
                        You are officially in damage control mode now. Please do the right thing and keep this game alive.

                        [–]CEOAntonYudintsev[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        OK.

                        [–]I'm not going down without a flightMoonsShadow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        All the best! Thanks for responding.

                        [–]dualcalamity 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        With the markers off: It brings up the problem with map design, since many of the maps are "gladiator-arena designed" maps where you are forced to be confined in a specific zone, and the terrain of the maps walls every tank in, with a kill timer for any tank that goes outside the boundaries. This forces tanks that do not have the armor to take hits such as the comet, m18 hell cat, archer, and fixed gun tank destroyers to name a few... To face head on heavier tanks, or force them to hang back where the action is (which does not give enough RP if any), These tank shine in going fast, take a place to hide, and wait n' flank or snipe enemy tanks in cover.

                        Maps like Kuban, and Karelia DO have areas that these tanks to hide, like the boundary where there are trees to hide and because of their speed, and light weight allows them to take advantage of sloped terrain that heavier tanks could not traverse, and increases their survivability in face of heavier tanks. But because these areas have a Return to battle/kill timer, it forces these tanks to face head on. Not to mention these maps have alot of open areas where these tanks could not take cover.

                        And finally, with markers off, it reduces the accuracy of heavy bombers to bomb targets, but forces players to use rockets or dive bombers to compensate.

                        With markers on: It disallows any tank to hide in cover since spotting nearly nulls that ability which is a plus or a minus to TDs, light tanks with good armament. But it's still giving advantage to tanks with superior armor to rush the enemy, or tanks with superior penetration to spot and snipe from afar which is a given. This only punishes light tanks or medium tanks with weak armamet (to an extent). Another downside to this is the removal of immersion, but at the reward of having a slightly more fair gameplay. Since you can see tanks hiding in blind spots, and fits the gladiator-arena designed maps. Another downside is allowing heavy bombers to more accurately bomb targets because of this.

                        [–]Grozak 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        It's amazing to me that you think restricting information about a problem helps solve that problem. Communicating to your customers with respect issues with your product and the steps you are taking is the only way to build trust and respect. Hiding information from the playerbase regarding cheating only hurts the non-cheaters.

                        If you really cared about cheating in the game you'd address the cheating directly, by patching the holes and working on your detection and deterrence.

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                          [–]IV_ V_ IV_ V_ VRampantlion513 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Great job! Abusing YouTube's copyright strike system to spread your censorship even further!

                          75% of your company are dumbasses.

                          [–]chemicalex 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Repeat after me: No Markers in RB.

                          [–]Toilet_Steak 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Hi Anton. You have just lost a customer.

                          [–]onemoresky 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Personally, I feel that your Anti-cheat system is quite up to par, and Gaijin does a good job at stopping Cheating. There is no real need to force this poll, as continuing what you've already done seems fine to me.

                          On the other hand, it would in fact, be the absolutely final straw if RB faced such a change, as the lack of nametags is practically the entire concept that RB revolves around, in my eyes.

                          Thank you for interacting with the community, sometimes people can be a bit harsh :)

                          [–]Jumping from single to tripple frameratesZdrytchX 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          There are so many videos with people claiming other people hack. I've even been shot through half a map on that jungle new guinea map through a bunch of trees before (though I didn't upload it because I didn't care and just bombed him later with an aircraft) so I don't see why phly should be harmed. Besides if discussion of illegal third party modifications to the game is illegal itself, this reddit thread is a contradiction and the forum is a contradiction in itself.

                          [–]sgtalbers 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I vote change the mode and give rb markers. I dont even play RB but I have to deal with all the WALL HACKS...CHEATER comments in the chat. If it will eliminate that issue its worth it to me... put markers back in RB.

                          http://social.bioware.com/uploads_user/1697000/1696184/252890.jpg

                          [–]in WT hype = premium vehicleottersRneat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          This feels like a petty ultimatum created because Gaijin is upset Phly won't do as they say. Damage control before he releases a video about their threats.

                          Claiming his video is advertisement for hacks is bullshit and saying it hurts your game is amateur as fuck. What hurts your image is censoring your customers over your own ineptitude, having a game that is easily exploited and your pathetic threats.

                          The garbage poll is basically this: we break RB or you let us censor you whenever we want.

                          [–]Weeb PilotNekowaifu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Listen, Mr. CEO-man-person. I am passionate about your game. I spent a long time playing this game, and though I haven't reached jets yet, I have loved every minute of this game. I started out as an arcade noob and moved up to RB for the increased difficulty and the increased accomplishment I felt for outplaying someone and killing them. It's truly an amazing feeling.

                          I have no opinion on cheating other than it's obviously a rampant problem and you as a company should be doing something. Is censoring the youtube community a good option? No. Is bringing back something in RB that will drive a large chunk of your playerbase away from RB and likely the game a good option? No.

                          I know where you're coming from, I do. But both of these options are not valid to us as a playerbase, and if you read through the comments of your forum post or even this here reddit post, all I really see is negative responses, and if they're not negative, they're very on the fence on what is right or wrong. Isn't that a problem to you?

                          This is actually outraging and it's insanely disappointing as someone who loves this game to death that we are left with two extremes to vote for and neither will actually have a positive outcome. And no, don't write me a reply explaining why either will be positive, because all this would bring is a false, illustrious positive where only you, the powers at be, will benefit. RB will not benefit from markers. Youtubers will not benefit from being basically censored on the platform that they are using to pretty much promote your game.

                          This poll is a mistake, and as long as it's up, I'm going to unfortunately have to question my allegiance with your game. I'm deeply saddened that anybody at Gaijin thought this was a good approach.

                          [–]Actually not bad_OxygenThief_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Anton my dude wut u doin

                          [–]A5/5 G5/5 R4/4 B4/4 J3Galthur 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          As a PS4 player I can not vote against adding markers in RB, it would be nice if the devs allowed that.

                          [–]Needs more bayonetstuka444 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Please, for the love of squirtle leave enemy tags off of RB

                          [–]intiq23 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          We call this kind of thing "throwing the baby out with the bath water." Cheats and hacks exist in every game and no gaming company has ever fully stopped it, Blizzard couldn't stop it, and yes it's a never ending game of cat and mouse. To threaten a content creator with copyright strike is ridiculous, anyone intent on cheating only has to google "war thunder cheats" and so what will you do, copyright strike google for listing cheat content?

                          Changing the game mode isn't the solution either, for starters you will have surrendered the integrity of your game because of a bad minority and put yourselves on a slippery slope by setting a precedence that you will find reoccurring, how you respond now will determine the future of your business.

                          You are claiming a lot of success in banning cheaters, and you fear that if highlighted on youtube these cheats may become a pandemic and the cheaters will learn new ways to circumvent detection, well some news for you, they're doing that all the time anyway, right now your detection methods have a percentage of success and as you ban players those hackers will constantly change their code to make it less detectable, that is the nature of the business they are in. You have to evolve new methods too, I've seen this with every mmo I have ever played, Blizzard are brilliant at catching people using hacks and cheats, and even they couldn't resolve the problem.

                          Anton, I do respect the fact you have come out in the open and discussed this with the community, but I suggest a different approach, leave everything as it is , do not alienate your content creators by threatening copyright strikes, continue as before and find new detection methods when it comes to hacks and cheats.

                          [–]Stop ruining SB GFDortmunder1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Putting markers back in RB is a horrible idea. I had to go to RB because you guys ruined the SB mode with planes + events only.

                          So now you want to ruin RB too? What the hell? If you do what you're talking about to RB, you damn well better return SB to what it was before. A tank vs tank mode where you can't get bombed 2m into the game and you can queue by BR.

                          [–]DeKrieg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I havnt seen the video in question. There are a number of issues though I'm concerned with.

                          1. Why is this public so suddenly? I get the impression the video has not been up for very long, so it doesnt feel like the parties involved talked about this for very long which frankly is what needed to be done. let cooler heads win. I understand the concern that the video was still available via direct link and that at least for the duration of a discussion it shouldnt be, it should be locked until discussion is finished.

                          2. Advertising/discussing cheats and the notion of censorship is a tricky tightrope. Firstly showing any actual cheating service or naming a cheating site on a video is frankly in my opinion grounds to ask for the video to be removed, this is something pretty much every online video game does. They will flag and push to have videos openly pointing out a cheating service removed. While some cry censorship, there is good grounds for doing this as it is advertising that cheating service and it will draw larger numbers to it

                          BUT

                          BUT!

                          Its a different story (imo) when its someone talking about cheating and showing what they believe is a player cheating. I dont think there are grounds to delete such a video. Again I stress I have not seen Phly's video so I dont know what he showed or what he said. But if it is just a replay and he's saying that player X is clearly cheating then its not so much territory for removing the video. There have been a lot of games that have had youtubers do videos highlighting a game with a cheater. Personnally a lot of the time its not really useful, it doesnt help the developer nor does it help the viewers and tends to drum up a lot of negative hoo haa at the developer, at the game and at the playerbase. I have though seen good ones. One that comes to mind that I saw by chance but stuck with me is Quickiebaby's one from a month ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJQwbUliGY4

                          I think he gave a very level headed commentary about cheating and if phly's video is in the same sort of territory then I dont think he should need to take it down. But I need to stress that I found Quickiebaby's video to be an exception as honestly while I dont think Gaijin should force these videos down, I dont think they are great videos in the first place.

                          1. Cheating will always happen and the best position is always a vigilant developer as Gaijin have been with their ban waves. Which is why I find these sort of videos to be more trouble then helpful personnally because it leads to a lot of demands for some sort of nuclear option to wipe out cheating and a lot of players suddenly crying wolf. Even when there is a genuine concern this is what happens and ends up doing more harm then good. This is particular true with bought cheats where every developer is already more aware of the existence of such issues and the fight for that war is happening behind the scenes in places that really the playerbase cant watch so its better to report in suspected cheaters and move on, we are not going to see a public overhaul to solve such issues.

                          Which brings me to...

                          1. The bizarre ultimatum. Mr Yudintsev we spoke before briefly into the run up of the new spotting system and crew skills back and forth about its effects in the game and at the time you explained to me the reason for vanishing tanks tied to crew skills was to compensate for the lack of markers in RB. Am I right in understanding that this system is not working? Could you explain how this system has failed to provide the same protection as markers?

                          To clue anyone unsure in. In 1.51 (I think) spotting was changed in war thunder. In ground forces RB this included that a tank outside certain ranges of a players tank that was not moving or shooting would be invisible and that putting skills into the crew spotting increased that range. Elements like Sights and Binoculors gave a players spotting range a boost, but it did mean vanishing tanks existed in war thunder.

                          But what it also meant that if you have been feeding your skills accordingly that by tier 4 you didnt notice disapearing tanks because your range boost was so large that it covered a large chunk of the map.

                          Mr Yudintsev explained this as an anti-cheating method, much like the spotting system, when a tank was vanished the client side did not know where the tank was so no cheating service could pinpoint it for the player.

                          The logic of course is that someone cheating wouldnt put the money or time into the skill tree to have a wide spotting range so the cheating service wouldnt be able to be effective as they'd have a much smaller range then legal players.

                          And players willing to put the money in risk losing a lot of money when they are banned.

                          So this makes this whole ultimatum look strange to me. and I'd like clarification if possible please.

                          [–]Almost not Terriblepepsisong2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          There must be more solutions than mass censorship or completely fucking a popular game-mode.

                          Cheating is a complicated issue, I get that. But these choices presented to us are a bit extreme.

                          [–]A6M8 please?HarvHR 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          hello comrades of warthunder! we are aware of cheating happening in our glorious game, to fix issue the fair developers at warthunder will issue choice!

                          either we strike all channels that show a cheat in a form of censorship protection, which is clearly what such a glorious system is designed to be used for

                          or we break rb

                          please vote, tehse are only option avaliable. see u in skies of arcade battle ))))

                          [–]Fight Me In The CommentsGRIZZLY_GUY_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Im not even going to look at the other comments because of how toxic i know they will be, but lets face it;

                          Nothing Anton said in that is untrue. Whether you like that or not is up to you.

                          The videos are definitively more of an ad than anything

                          BUT, striking such videos should not be a thing, but at the same time, this has been gaijins policy for the longest time. This should not surprise anyone.

                          [–]thick1988 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Markers in RB would be so shitty. Glad that shit got squashed real quick.

                          [–]avalon304 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Just so we are clear:

                          The Youtube copyright strike system does not exist for you, as a company, to censor videos discussing anything about your game. It exists for you to protect your copyright.

                          How, you guys still have any players is absolutely fucking beyond my comprehension....

                          If you guys go ahead and start ABUSING the copyright strike system to censor discussion, I hope you, as a company, burn for all eternity. And the fact that you would even consider abusing that system is amazing... (and so are the responses to your sham of a poll...).

                          Do not abuse the system because you dont like whats being talked about. If you cant handle it, you need to get the fuck out of the business youre in.

                          [–]Drudid 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          the fact you thought this was a good idea shows how scummy you are.

                          typical gaijin fix "our inti-cheat is failing" "better make an irrelevant change to a game mode and then illegally use copyright strikes vs fair use instead of fixing our shit"

                          [–][121st] Devaq | A:[V-V-IV-V-V] T:[IV-IV-IV]ReVaQ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I don't even play the game anymore due to awful decisions in the past, and this is the nail in the coffin. This game won't change its direction with its current CEO. There needs to be a new CEO because he and everyone that supports him is really ruining the game. The only good thing that's come from this silly "company" is the devs who handle the engine and the 3d modellers. I'll never come back to the game until very serious change happens.

                          This is awful to force the whole player base to choose between two awful choices. What makes it worse is that not many will know about this poll. Gaijin really is one of the worst companies to date. It has become what EA was before.

                          [–]Twisted_Fate 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Why does it sound like you care more about money than your game?

                          [–]Praise be to bomber spamrocket753a 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Fuck off why don't you, you gave us two horrible options. Either destroy RB or vote for a system which would abuse YouTube's strike system and unfairly and davestatingly punish channels.

                          [–]derpaccount420blaze 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          If people want to cheat they are going to. end of story. Making a video pointing out that it is bullshit isnt going to change anything. Possibly destroying someones income to survive just because someone pointed out your game is shit has a special place in hell for you.

                          [–]Ephant 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          So the staff went from "the are no hacks" to "should we change a game mode because of hackers?". Even the official topic on cheating on support.gaijin says "There are no working cheats that may affect the gameplay". Kinda funny, if you ask me.

                          [–]Vanzig 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          It's hilarious. Like a true demonstration of propaganda at the finest. He'll both lie and say it's not a problem... but say 10 seconds later it's such a problem that he threatens the game's youtube content providers because the second someone knows warthunder is actually cheat-vulnerable, the game will be filled with them.

                          [–]invertedwut 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Whoa it's almost like the GF game mechanics as they are now make for an unworkable experience that is fun for no one.

                          We immediately contacted PhlyDaily, but he refused to remove this video (regardless of its violation of our license)

                          of course, we have rights to strike down this video (and others of such kind), as it is not only violating our public license..

                          GO FUCK YOURSELVES GAIJIN

                          [–]GUN TRUUUCK!!!Legend13CNS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I don't like either option on the poll, as many people have said I think the best course of action is to leave things alone as more people seem upset by the poll options than they do about cheaters. I have never personally encountered a cheater (but I'm sure they exist). I have seen way more people rage in game chat about spawn camping than about thinking a player is cheating. I would argue that spawn camping in RB is more detrimental to the game than cheaters because of how much more widespread it is. Now granted dealing with cheaters is much more straight forward than spawn campers and I don't have a magic answer to either one, but adding markers back or censorship is not the answer to either.

                          [–]PrivateGG 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Really bad poll, both options suck in my opinion : Choice n°1 : Strike videos that are advertisement for hackers and hacking programs, sure why not, but why strike videos that call out such hackers ? It shows other players how bad hacking is and what kind of scumbag those people are. Choice n° 2 : Putting markers back into RB would be a terrible option, RB is much much more interesting without markers.

                          [–]Waiting on the NAVYthegreatlordlucifer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          personally, I've been waiting to move from AB to RB... woot, maybe we can get rid of needing points to spawn too

                          [–]Master Of Russian Biasmarkerboy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Man this poll just really ruined my day. Neither of these choices are positive for the community... This just seems like a totally unnecessary poll that causes only damage to the community. And after such a good week in WT history :C

                          [–]Kikka loverunal991 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I dont think voting the forums gonna work. A better one should do the job like petition

                          [–]drogoran 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          gaijin is literaly asking wether they should fix the problem or slap on a bandaid and the dumb fks are voting for the bandaid

                          [–]LZHR 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Not sure what choice is worse right now....

                          War thunder censorship or breaking of a gamemode

                          OR

                          Donald Trump vs Hillary Clinton

                          [–]Nan-ni-shimasho-ka!Rariity 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Come on Anton

                          You're better than that

                          [–]Daffan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          If markers are added to RB tanks I will stop playing it - In fact, stop playing tanks entirely because SB events are terribad and markers in RB is as bad.

                          [–]mungokang 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          What if cheaters can get the aiming point from arcade? Then it doesnt matter if there is a marker or not... Keep RB as it is and act, dont react on cheaters!

                          [–]Zaven2110 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          TBH I stopped playing RB tanks when they removed the markers, sim is there if you want more realism. This basically lead to me stopping playing tanks since arcade is just a mess of stuff going on and shots flying everywhere.

                          [–]newthismorning 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Remove all markers from RB! Problem solved and a more enjoyable game.

                          [–]Ho 229 FanboyLittleMikey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          You guys, I've got a great idea! Let's get rid of all the people who play War Thunder, and then there won't be any cheaters!

                          But in all seriousness, Anton I know where you're coming from. You want less cheaters in the game, we all do. Seeing people cheat at you're pride and joy game must be very heartbreaking. But I think you're taking the wrong approach here.

                          I've got one question: Do you honestly know that when a video talking about cheating by a popular creator comes up that sales of cheat products increases? Surely you have no way of knowing that information? The public is fairly well united against cheaters, we will call them out when we see them, I know false reports are annoying but surely they are a price you have to pay with any online game?

                          Anyway, I'm honestly glad you're talking to the community about this as much as you are. Seeing you reply to people's comments does help us think that there are people working at Gaijin and not just machines. I know you've got a job to do and you have to do what's best for your company, but please don't go attacking YouTube creators. That's a very good way to get your community united against you.

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