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[–]seattle-freeze[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (45子コメント)

Since my concerns were deleted in the original thread and now buried in this thread I'll reiterate them here:

I think you (/u/careless), or members of the mod team, benefit monetarily, personally or for others, from the arbitary rules regarding the promotion of activities within this subreddit.

[–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

How do they profit from deleting threads? Like, who pays them?

[–]seattle-freeze[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

eliminating competition.

[–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

Sorry, can you explain how that puts cash money into their accounts or pockets? I've been racking my brain the past five minutes trying to guess how you would materially profit by doing this.

[–]seattle-freeze[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

If there is an "official" event and an unofficial event held at the same time why would the poster of the unofficial event be banned and their posts deleted? What motivates exist? To my mind it could range from a mistake to something much worse. We are not aware of the mods affiliation with the organizers of the official event or if they have any reason to ensure the official event is successful (perhaps their spouse is part of the waitstaff at the official event and the competition is reducing the amount of tips). When clear guidelines aren't used and arbitrary decisions are made you leave your self open for conflicts of interest.

[–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

OK, so this is still about that old legendary game night fiasco.

What year did that happen?

[–]seattle-freeze[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

does it matter?

[–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes, actually. What year was this?

[–]seattle-freeze[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

First, tell me why it matters. Second, a history of abuse by a mod shouldn't be forgotten regardless of when it happened ... particularly when that situation wasn't transparently handled.

[–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

It matters because:

  1. I can't recall when it happened. Like, last year? 2009?

  2. Sure, a history of abuse matters, but you're accusing them of profiting as in a monetary sense by deleting self posts about events, and I have never ever seen a rational way someone could profit on that. There are known ways mods can cash out, but that's not really one of them. And sending 10-20 redditors for 1-2 drinks and appetizers to some bar once is not exactly like war profiteering, if it even happened.

  3. Yes, there are other issues such as the tone /u/careless uses at times, which I'm not a fan of myself. Modding online stuff is a shitty job. Done it myself. You do need to hold a different tone and bite your tongue at times.

[–]guga31bb -3ポイント-2ポイント  (20子コメント)

I think you (/u/careless), or members of the mod team, benefit monetarily, personally or for others, from the arbitary rules regarding the promotion of activities within this subreddit.

...what is your evidence for this? How are the rules "arbitrary"?

I'm not a mod, and this whole thing seems crazy. In the thread yesterday the mods were more than happy to explain their decisions about removing specific threads. The community responded by downvoting them and calling them names.

[–]seattle-freeze[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (18子コメント)

An "official" game night competed with another non-official event and the organizer of that event was banned and their posts deleted.

[–]kcrobinsonMadrona -1ポイント0ポイント  (17子コメント)

I'm not 100% familiar with this controversy, but from what you're saying, it kind of sounds like we removed the non Reddit meetup. Our meetup rule has always been that the meetup had to have been created by Redditors, for all Redditors, and not be a for-profit venture. If a user was banned for it, I have to assume it's because they posted again after the first was removed and they were warned.

[–]seattle-freeze[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (16子コメント)

It was created in this subreddit, by a redditor for redditors, and was a not for profit event. When I spoke with /u/careless he told me that he talked with the creator of that event and that he knows more than me. I've mentioned this issue for years and not once has a mod brought to my attention the reason it was deleted and the user banned. /u/careless could simply say it was a mistake, but they won't even go that far. /u/careless just calls me "a silly tinfoil hat wearing ninny" to quote *them (pronoun).

[–]zomboiFirst Hill 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've mentioned this issue for years and not once has a mod brought to my attention the reason it was deleted

Maybe because no other member of the mod team was a member of the mod team when this kerfluffle happened. I am third mod in the list, right after careless. hibernator is essentially dead on reddit since he never mods or is heard from. careless is the only one on the current mod team that knows anything about the situation. The event you keep bitching about happened before I was modded here so I don't know what happened.

tl;dr- careless is the only member of the mod team that knows anything about the debacle you keep bitching about.

[–]seattle-freeze[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think I am bitching. :( to me its a valid concern that has never directly or indirectly been addressed. I get told I am bitching or otherwise mocked. A simple explanation, from the horses mouth (not conjecture from mods not involved) would stop me from bringing it up.

*the only time I bring it up is when there is discussion of mod abuse. if someone said "oops, yeah, we screwed up that time, we'll try to do better" I would stop and if i didn't they could just continue to repeat that.

[–]zomboiFirst Hill 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are throwing the allegation unto careless over one event over 5 yrs ago. Since I have been a mod, under careless, I haven't seen him delete an event as long as 1-it is reddit based; and/or 2-a lot of redditors would be interested to go to it.

careless usually errs on the side of leaving events up. I am the member of the mod team that is most likely to remove shit, assuming it is a for-profit event.

[–]kcrobinsonMadrona -2ポイント-1ポイント  (12子コメント)

Sorry. I'm not sure what that is. I promise that we want more and more meetups on our sidebar and none of us are looking for an excuse to remove something that's within the rules.

[–]seattle-freeze[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

To my mind it is because /u/careless (or a member of the mod team) was friends with someone at the official event and that the attention of this unofficial event was hurting the official event. Or much worse /u/careless (*or a member of the mod team) was friends with someone associated with the bar of the official event.

*arbitrary decisions leave the mod team open to allegations of conflicts of interest ... a position I would try to avoid.

[–]kcrobinsonMadrona -4ポイント-3ポイント  (10子コメント)

If the events were at the same time and a few blocks away, I guess I could imagine trying to prevent a fracturing of our meetup goers. But I'm just hypothesizing. I'm confident in saying that neither of your hypotheses are likely correct.

[–]seattle-freeze[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

one was in ballard ... the other was in capitol hill. One was watching esports ... the other was a board game night.

[–]kcrobinsonMadrona -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

I'd lean toward removing a "let's go watch esports at x bar together" meetup too. That's much more commercial.

[–]zomboiFirst Hill -2ポイント-1ポイント  (10子コメント)

benefit monetarily, personally or for others, from the arbitary rules regarding the promotion of activities within this subreddit.

I do not benefit in any physical way from any of the activities that are promoted in /r/seattle. I have never seen any indication of this in what my fellow mods (my whole time as a /r/seattle mod) have removed or promoted.

If you think that any mod physically benefits from moderation then report it to the admins. Heck, PM me and I will give you one of my irl email addresses and we can talk about why you think as such.

[–]seattle-freeze[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

We've talked. You weren't a mod when the situation happened. There was an "official" weekly game night that competed with another "unofficial" activity. The creator of the unofficial activity was banned and their posts deleted. To my mind this kind of arbitrary decision making could create a conflict of interest. To be frank, us as a community don't know if this is still happening, and since the original issue was never addressed in the community the potential conflict of interest could still exist.

[–]-NoobGainz- 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

Do you have any proof of this game night fiasco happening? Any logs about what was talked about? Was the unofficial meetup dude banned because of the meetup? Or was he banned because he said or did something else? Who is the source of your information, just the guy who claims he was banned? Was it a $100% true story? You're going to need to provide evidence if you are going to claim the Seattle mods are violating reddit rules, and if you are going to demand the reddit admins remove the sub.

/u/careless can be a dick, but I have never seen any indication that he/she receives any sort of kickback from anyone, which is what you are claiming happened.

You either need to provide some proof, or shut the hell up. Because at this point your claims are baseless and without merit.

[–]seattle-freeze[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Evidence? much like the evidence of dox'ing and endangerment? Additionally, if the mods want to provide an explanation for the user being banned and their posts deleted I would be happy, but /u/careless never has. Rather they attacks me.

[–]-NoobGainz- 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm pretty sure careless doesn't need a reason to delete a thread. It might be a stupid thing to do, but it does not break any rules. Careless isn't the only one who says that sub doxxed careless. Others saw it happen. Doxxing IS against the rules.

Additionally, whether or not the doxxing happened, does not excuse the fact that you are blatantly accusing the mod team on this subreddit of doing something against the site rules, without any evidence whatsoever of that happening, going so far as to ping the admins to have them investigate. That is both childish and wrong.

[–]seattle-freeze[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've ping'ed the admins due to the dox'ing and the feeling of endangerment. my own concerns have been brought up separately.

[–]seattle-freeze[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

are you /u/careless ? this account doesn't appear to have posted in this subreddit and is as inflammatory as /u/careless is to me.

[–]Barril 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You immediately damage your position when you start implying that those who don't hold your views are sockpuppet accounts.

[–]-NoobGainz- 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes. I am careless. I made this account ages ago just so I can use an alt to come here to harass you. You done figured me out.

[–]seattle-freeze[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

your account is 5 months old and unverified. I wouldn't call that "ages" additionally, the noobgainz account seems to avoid this subreddit despite being active, but has suddenly appeared.

[–]-NoobGainz- 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I sub to this sub because I live in Seattle (well, Kirkland) but I do not post here often. Primarily, because most of the posts here don't interest me. But I have posted here in the past. Feel free to creep around. Also, I suspect you might be an alt of /u/YopparaiNeko. I totally appreciate you witchhunting me in a sub that has been known to doxx people. Asshole.