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[–]mister_pjmQueen Anne 129ポイント130ポイント  (4子コメント)

Might as well write the same thing that I wrote yesterday, since that's my most recent experience...which is absolutely fucking crazy.

Just last week, after Felix Hernandez broke the record for most wins by any Mariners pitcher, I posted a link to that information.

It was removed about 3 minutes later on the grounds of being "Not Seattle Related".......WHAT

I realize there is a Mariners subreddit, in fact, that's one of my favorite reddit communities, but the goddamn fucking name of the fucking baseball team that IS LOCATED IN SEATTLE....Seattle Mariners....isn't "Seattle Related?"

[–]tristanjones 65ポイント66ポイント  (1子コメント)

It wasn't a picture of the skyline at sunset. Duh

[–]komnenosMagnolia 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Make sure it's from Kerry Park!

[–]yelperSeattle Expatriate 33ポイント34ポイント  (13子コメント)

At a risk of getting involved in the drama, rule #6 needs to be relaxed to allow posts about commercial entities/enterprises and 'bulletin board' posts. Currently, the rule is too broad and subject to interpretation. Moreover, the rule has frequently been used to selectively remove/approve posts, which is the genesis of the general irritation in /r/seattle.

Here's an attempt at a re-write:

Rule 6: We're a community, not a classifieds page. You are welcome to post events and personal projects that apply to the viewers of /r/seattle at-large. If you are interested in targeting first-person advertising to our community, check out Reddit's advertising info.

To handle the cruft of classifieds/job postings, a once-/twice-monthly thread linked from the header helps to keep things organized (/r/madisonwi does a fantastic job at this).

As an example, /r/dataisbeautiful has very particular rules. It's very easy to moderate accepting/removing threads based on those rules, particularly in suggesting the recourse the OP should take to get their content up to par or resolving specific issues. A one-and-done solution is never an acceptable solution -- if a user has issue with a moderator's action, we use internal channels (e.g. Slack) to get a second opinion, then communicate the consensus to the user.

[–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful 17ポイント18ポイント  (10子コメント)

Serious question: it seems like other city subreddits lack that rule. Why do we need it, if they don't?

[–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

Tagging the mods just so they see this. I'm legitimately curious why we need the more stringent standards if other city subs let the up/downvote waves deal with clean up. I mean, it's not like /r/Seattle isn't crazy liberal with the downvoting anyways. We're brutal here.

/u/zomboi /u/careless/ /u/Hibernator /u/kcrobinson

[–]guga31bb 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you tag more than 3 people, none of them get a notification

[–]9852198521 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

just a guess, it has to do with our size, we're huge spam gets amplified.

personally i'm fine having faith in the voting system taking care of it, or admitting defeat and congratulating whatever company for having good enuff marketing that it seems natural.

[–]JohnStamosBRAHCapitol Hill 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

Because /u/careless enjoys having power dictating how the sub looks. IMO, the biggest thing we should do is what NYC does, and have a separate /r/askNYC for any and all questions, while allowing ZERO questions in /r/nyc. Combine that with not filtering out tons of content based off of bs personal preferences and it could go a long way.

[–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Doesn't San Francisco block off content like that too? Or one of the other California subs? I think one had separations between link and self posts.

I'm not a fan of that as it splits the community. I'd rather us eventually have 500,000 subscribers all in one spot, if it were up to me, and have a periodic review of rules and mods and stuff by survey (surveys ran NOT by the mods, by the way).

[–]my_lucid_nightmareCapitol Hill 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

IF you've been around enough you know that communities almost always split up. It's like a rule of the internet. "Balkanize Usenet" was once a rally cry. And seattle.general devolved into various sub groups.

Always happens. Pop the popcorn and see what's next.

[–]JohnStamosBRAHCapitol Hill 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Having /r/nyc specific for news and content works wonders, in my opinion. And it does so because it makes a logical division between two very different subjects - news/builitin and question board (/r/asknyc). The problem here is /u/careless is trying to make that division with very fuzzy subjects and no one knows what can be allowed or not.

[–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This goes back to the suggestion I made here then. Maybe it's time for a bottom up revision if the mods are game, to make the rules easy to follow.

[–]zippityhooha 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Serious question: it seems like other city subreddits lack that rule.

For example?

[–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/boston and /r/nyc for instance.

[–]zippityhooha 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

At a risk of getting involved in the drama, rule #6 needs to be relaxed to allow posts about commercial entities/enterprises and 'bulletin board' posts.

I don't agree. If you want to post your event, post it in the weekly event thread. I read too many posts about events already, and that's with the no promotion rule.

[–]notcaffeinefree 41ポイント42ポイント  (21子コメント)

Also would be nice to have some mod input other than careless. I mean, he/she seriously can't be the only mod that's active here right?

[–]freebullets 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

With careless being the top active mod, nothing can be done. Unless he decides to step down no other moderators can trump his decisions.

[–]tehstoneRenton 27ポイント28ポイント  (10子コメント)

zomboi is the only other mod i've ever seen active, and she did post in yesterday's removed thread. but she admitted being an IRL friend of careless and usually leaving community interaction to careless.

edit: pronouns

[–]habitsofwasteMount Baker 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Never mind.

[–]platkatSpruce Park 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can you believe it? They let women use the internet now!

[–]habitsofwasteMount Baker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. I didn't realize their pronoun changed. I'm going to delete my comment.

[–]kcrobinsonMadrona 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I had advanced notice of the other thread happening, I promise that I would have been there for the discussion. As it is, I have commented elsewhere in this thread.

[–]seattle-freeze[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thats one of my biggest concern is that we don't know who the mods are, or even if there is more than one, nor who they are affiliated with.

[–]derrickito1Green Lake 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

the mods are all linked in the sidebar.

[–]9852198521 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

but they also post under alts, which i'm iffy about because threads made by suspected mods using alts stay up rather than get deleted like the rest of us plebs and our shitty posts.

[–]mudda -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've seen other mods comment and do things. It's not just one person.

[–]CarebearFromSeattle 54ポイント55ポイント  (8子コメント)

Careless gets a lot of shit for his work because of the way he treats all of us in the process. Your average mod gets some shit, but they don't have to put up with nearly as much as Careless simply because they don't act like Careless.

The "Subreddit That Shall Not Be Named" gives Careless shit because he abuses this community. And let's be clear, it's not everyone in the subreddit - it's just individuals, and when they take it too far, they are removed.

If Careless removed himself as moderator of r/Seattle, almost all of these problems would disappear. Sure, someone is always going to find an issue with moderators. But most moderators don't have nearly as many issues as Careless.

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      [–]KazanSnohomish County 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Retaliating by doxing is not really acceptable.

      [–]righty-ruFirst Hill -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I think we need to agree as a group that a chance at no-moderation can work. It works for other communities and allows for user to decide what they want to see. Including things that are outside of the strict rules. Specifically, event posts.

      [–]zomboiFirst Hill 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

      very very very few users that have been a mod of any large (+50k users) would agree with you. There are a lot of posts that don't belong or are spam that get removed pretty quickly in this subreddit.

      What large (+50k subscribers) subreddits are run on no-moderation?

      [–]guga31bb 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, it's always the users that are new-ish to reddit who suggest removing moderation. It's a terrible idea.

      [–]rabidfurby 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Honestly, I think this place would become an unbelievable spamtastic shit-show with no moderation. In this thread, we're giving the mods, and one in particular, a lot of shit. But it's important to remember that by and large moderation of any online community is a shitty, thankless job.

      I would support, as others have suggested, a period of decreased moderation, letting upvotes and downvotes play a bigger role in deciding what's on topic and what isn't. But zero moderation in a sub this size would be madness.

      [–]derrickito1Green Lake 103ポイント104ポイント  (15子コメント)

      careless deletes as careless feels like. this one will be gone too. if you could keep your posts about how much you're going to enjoy the reddit meetup, containing pictures of approved sunset photos taken from key vantage points, and discussions about Paseo, well then everything will go much smoother for you here. nothing else is allowed and dissent is a banishing offense.

      "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. " -Taco Time Founder Mike McGinn

      [–]smokingspliffs 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

      i admire your dedication to taco time

      [–]JohnStamosBRAHCapitol Hill 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Oh, don't forget allowing journalist shills to spam their own websites to drum up ad money!

      [–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

      You know that people in like like every city and state sub post news articles and stuff about that city and state, right?

      Let's look at /r/vermont at random. #2 post? News. Top ten? Mostly news sites.

      [–]JohnStamosBRAHCapitol Hill 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Huh? What do you think my complaint is?

      [–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Oh, weren't you complaining about people posting news articles from local sites, like KOMO or the Times or Stranger or West Seattle Blog? Or did I misunderstand?

      [–]JohnStamosBRAHCapitol Hill 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      No, I was complaining about blog owners and journalists spamming only their own content.

      [–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Thanks, got it. How would we even know who is with what? Or if they are? I post probably more West Seattle Blog stuff than others, but I've said what neighborhood I'm in, and it's obvious from my submissions I'm up near downtown. That site is my local newspaper, along with the Times. I have no stake in the site.

      Or maybe I work for them and live in Renton, and of course I'd be posting pictures from Alki because of that. How could we tell which is which?

      [–]JohnStamosBRAHCapitol Hill 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Certain journalists have verified flair and post their own content.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/4k8aqw?sort=confidence Is one example. There's others

      [–]flipstablesKirkland 36ポイント37ポイント  (18子コメント)

      I totally get why the original post was deleted. And I even get why this post had to be re-created to avoid witch hunts.

      But can we revisit the Rule 4&6 concerning events? The bookstore challenge event, while a commercial event promoting bookstores, was still a legitimate item that this community could talk about. But that post got deleted. I think it's worth re-discussing what is spam and what is a worthwhile commercial event that this community would benefit knowing about.

      [–]somenewuserCentral Area 40ポイント41ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Wait, the Seattle Bookstore Day post got nuked? Damn, that's exactly how I heard about Seattle Bookstore Day (and I managed to finish the multi-store challenge and I get to go to the party for it). Independent bookstores doing something cool as a group seems like the exact thing a community would want to know about.

      If we're going to delete everything that has a financial interest in anything, why does the Seattle Times get so many links posted?

      [–]tehstoneRenton 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Because calling yourself a news source is a free pass. Then you can "report" about all kinds of businesses having promotions and call it sponsored content (if you choose to) and no one will realize it's advertising! Just sucks to be the little guy and have to rely on self-promotion.

      [–]somenewuserCentral Area 52ポイント53ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Ouch. You know, for some reason, knowing that the bookstore post got deleted makes me irrationally sad. I think I'm going to just pack it in and unsub from /r/Seattle for a while. Seeing a really cool community event that I enjoyed doing go down in flames while "moving to seatle what do" and "i can't adult literally help me adult plz" posts, even though they both violate the letter and spirit of the rules (and after all of us put so much effort into the megathreads and wiki) stay...that just, nope.

      Bye for now, /r/seattle.

      [–]5994216 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I do hate the "I can't Google" people.

      Remember when Google wasn't super good with syntax and you had to be succinct. That's what I cut my teeth on when learning how to search.

      Now it's like people don't even try. Aren't they embarrassed?

      [–]nishiokaDes Moines 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Remember when Google wasn't super good with syntax and you had to be succinct.

      I'm glad I read How to ask questions the smart way years ago, hopefully before I made too much of an ass of myself on the internet. It's a shame that RTFM and STFW didn't catch on as mainstream acronyms, though.

      [–]ImportantOpinionsOlympic Hills 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Didn't South Park cover this last season?

      [–]seattleecoWest Woodland 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, me too! I wouldn't know the event even existed without this sub. That's the kind of info I care about and value finding here.

      [–]careless_sux 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Careless created a witch hunt thread using an alt just a week or two ago.

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        [–]careless_sux 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

        That reminds me... I need a roof cleaning.

        [–]9852198521 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

        i know...he totally doxxed that tradesman! can we get mentioning /r/seattle banned from r/seattle?

        [–]zomboiFirst Hill -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

        keep in mind that three mods review /r/seattle posts. so two might think a post belongs and one might think the same post should be removed.

        [–]flipstablesKirkland 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It sounds like a lot of work to moderate such a big subreddit. I can understand how wires get crossed, especially with a grey area like spam/advertising.

        But I think this could be a good opportunity to be more specific with your rules and moderation. Let's enumerate the different types of candidates for promotional content that could be allowed and not allowed. This will allow moderators and redditors to be on the same page. And it would minimize the conflicts you mentioned.

        May I suggest that instead of a blanket ban on promotional content, we revert reddit's guidelines on self-promotion and on spam. These allow promotional material that benefits the community to be allowed.

        Smaller events should still go into the "weekly events" sticky. For instance, Ballard's Widgets Pie-Eating Content should probably go into that post. But events that are large (i.e. multi-vendor or expects >1k people/day) can deserve its own post.

        Just some suggestions. Thoughts?

        [–]rabidfurby 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        So out of curiosity (I've never seen what tools reddit gives moderators), if two mods are fine with a post and one thinks it should be removed, what happens to it? Can that 3rd mod unilaterally remove the post, or is there some sort of consensus system, either built into reddit or layered on top by convention?

        At PAX a few years ago there was a talk about the Xbox Live moderation system that I found really interesting - anything that gets flagged gets sent past multiple moderators, who review it independently. If they all agree it should be removed it happens automatically. If they're split then it gets sent into a separate moderation queue and looked at more closely.

        [–]zomboiFirst Hill 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        This is how I treat a post....

        If I feel a post is in the grey area and I feel strongly that I should remain up I hit the "approve" button, the other mods see that I approved it. If they feel that it should be removed we will talk about it in modmail or PM. If another mod removed a post and I feel that it should be up then we talk about it. Removed posts are in a special list that I don't normally check so I don't normally see posts after they have been removed.

        [–]JohnStamosBRAHCapitol Hill 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I love how the head mod here hasn't posted in over a year, the second tenured mod is a subreddit cancer, and the third most is buddy-buddy with said cancer. Other mods barely have any activity at all. It's almost as if careless purposely hired inactive mods to fill the list with many people, knowing full well that he'll retain all control. We're doomed, folks.

        [–]Sounders_Till_I_Die 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        /u/careless is an employee of Mossack-Fonseca and resident of Panama.

        [–]kduffygreavesBallard 76ポイント77ポイント  (23子コメント)

        /u/careless is seriously the worst. Pretends to want feedback and then responds to everything defensively or is just a straight up dick.

        [–]turbosmashr 32ポイント33ポイント  (10子コメント)

        The same thing will happen with this post. Bad moderation is a plague to this sub. Liberal and unfair use of the ban hammer is common. I've seen users get banned on subjective offenses without warning, despite the rules stating that a warning comes first. Overall editorializing happens all the time. This isn't a community influenced sub, it's heavily censored by /u/careless and unfortunately there's not much any of us can do about it. It's too bad that another sub can't gain enough popularity to displace this one, but when people look for a place to put Seattle content, the obvious choice is the sub called /r/Seattle. This is really a case where it's too bad that Reddit doesn't step in to save a large community sub.

        [–]MisterWonkaWallingford 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I've created a new Seattle subreddit where there is no fighting and everyone is happy. Come join us at /r/cats!

        [–]TubaMuffinsOGCapitol Hill 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

        once you get banned from /r/seattle for a week you learn your place

        [–]careless_sux 31ポイント32ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Or you create a new account.

        [–]MetricInferno 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

        lol your username

        [–]careless_sux 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yeah. ;) To careless's credit he or she hasn't modded me because of my new username.

        [–]TubaMuffinsOGCapitol Hill 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        eh I got a lot of work done that week instead of giving shit to "visiting Seattle" threads

        [–]vas89080d 45ポイント46ポイント  (5子コメント)

        most of us are here on our 5th username

        [–]MakerGreyCrown Hill 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Don't tell him that. He'll tattle on you to the admins and they'll make you get a 6th.

        [–]komnenosMagnolia 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Couldn't they possibly ban his IP address if they really wanted to?

        [–]righty-ruFirst Hill 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That is comically true.

        [–]BallardLockHemlock 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yeah because the first 4 are banned thanks to asshole r/Seattle Mods.

        [–]ClearGnome 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Since no one is allowed to post it, and I can't seem to find it otherwise, can someone PM me the alternate subreddit?

        [–]tehstoneRenton 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Think of a term commonly used by reddit to described a collective self-congratulatory event and then combine it with the name of our city.

        [–]rabidfurby 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        /r/EmeraldCityBreakingYourArmPattingYourselfOnTheBackTooHard. Got it.

        [–]kcrobinsonMadrona[M] 26ポイント27ポイント  (75子コメント)

        Hi everyone,

        I'm going to take a stab at addressing your concerns as a mod who works along side Careless. Sadly, due to my schedule today, I'm not going to be able to respond to most comments. I'll just be able to say a few things here and then wait until this weekend or Monday to address specific questions you might have.

        The other thread was indeed deleted for linking to a different subreddit, though it's not because that subreddit is "competing." The other subreddit has consistently doxxed the mods and is the primary source of harassment we receive. Honestly, this was a disappointing decision that we had to make. I loved the discussion happening in the other thread and am sad that it is gone.

        I'm a volunteer here. I like what I do, and I take pride in making /r/Seattle a great place. In order to be a mod of a large subreddit like Seattle, you have to be willing to put up with abuse. I have developed a thick skin doing this. But the people of this other subreddit have consistently crossed the line. I don't expect you to necessarily agree with this, but it is justified that mentioning that subreddit is forbidden here. I am able to focus my efforts on fighting spam and harassment if I'm not worried about being doxxed.

        I also get that people do not agree in general with all of the decisions that we have made. People are unhappy we remove a post that they think should have been approved. People are unhappy when we don't remove a post that they think should have been removed. All I can say is that whatever your opinion of a particular post is, I guarantee you that there are a number of people who think the exact opposite of you.

        If the post is controversial in the slightest, then it is assured that we will hear from people who want it removed and people who accuse us of censorship if we do remove it. I promise that our removal decisions are based on our best attempts to apply the rules evenly without regard to our personal preferences. This includes removing "Bernie" posts even if we're a Bernie supporter or approving links to blogs we don't like or certain news sites that use a paywall. None of us get any form of kickback for anything we do here.

        As to why we don't "just let the voting system take care of everything," I try to whenever I can. I make an effort to only step in if it explicitly breaks the rules, and I like to think that I err on the side of leaving something up if I am unsure what to do. That said, the voting system is easy to game, and abuse or spam is a very fast way to get yourself banned. It is right that we do not let people vote on these things.

        So that's all for now. My hope is that this thread can stay up so we can have the conversation that so many people want. Please keep it civil and we'll address what we can when we can.

        Thanks

        [–]ChefJoe98136West Seattle 27ポイント28ポイント  (6子コメント)

        mentioning that subreddit is forbidden here

        should that be a posted sidebar rule or something ?

        [–]derrickito1Green Lake 27ポイント28ポイント  (54子コメント)

        thank you for your post!

        but please seriously address the main over arching theme here in this thread: careless being removed as a moderator.

        [–]notcaffeinefree 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

        FYI, I'm pretty sure /u/Hibernator is the only mod that can actually remove careless because of the mod hierarchy and he hasn't been active in a year. The other option would be to have him step down which I doubt will happen.

        I'd be surprised if admins got involved because they aren't exactly breaking any rules.

        [–]nishiokaDes Moines 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

        FYI, I'm pretty sure /u/Hibernator is the only mod that can actually remove careless because of the mod hierarchy and he hasn't been active in a year.

        If that's the case, I'd like to see a new overlord installed. Having a dormant account sitting on top of everything like that is a risk to this sub.

        [–]zomboiFirst Hill 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

        the admins have set up the mod squatting rules as that the reddit account has to be logged in every 60(?) days, the reddit user doesn't have to do any modding actions, just have to log into their reddit account.

        The admins won't involve themselves into a moderation matter unless it impedes a default and/or breaks one of reddit's site-wide rules and/or the mod financially benefits from moderation.

        [–]notcaffeinefree 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The admins won't involve themselves into a moderation matter unless it impedes a default and/or breaks one of reddit's site-wide rules and/or the mod financially benefits from moderation.

        /r/wow was also exception. Basically if it's a very popular sub and one person locks the entire thing down because they have a personal issue, then the admins could step in.

        [–]nishiokaDes Moines 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Got it - sounds reasonable enough. I've never run a sub so I don't see what you guys are seeing behind the curtain. Thanks for the explanation.

        [–]zomboiFirst Hill -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

        it's really boring behind the curtain. Almost all of my modding is removing/approving posts.

        [–]anonyrattieEmerald City 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Hi,

        The mod team needs to figure out how to have a no confidence vote on Careless. They are consistently complained about more than, e.g., zomboi, and IMO they are too abrasive and defensive to do their job.

        In the interests of settling this, a functional self government & transparent conflict resolution system needs to be developed. You don't have to do this: you are the feudal lords of the subreddit: if you want to demonstrate consent of the governed, then you will need to.

        [–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Suggestion:

        When is the last time feedback was taken from the subreddit community on the current rules and moderation practices, such as with a survey?

        Maybe it wouldn't hurt to revise how moderation is done bottom-up. Obviously some things will be hard required as Reddit rules, but others could be simplified and streamlined. Like this other sub, whatever it is -- just add a "No doxxing rule" that explicitly covers linking to problem sites to /r/seattle and voila. Problem solved. Then you just let automoderator loose on those as well.

        Just a thought.

        [–]seattle-freeze[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

        If these allegations are true, and all they are right now are allegations, then the reddit admins and the authorities need to be involved. dox'ing is no longer a community issue.

        *If a whole subreddit has formed around an illegal activity this isn't a small or simple issue.

        [–]kcrobinsonMadrona 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        We do address the individual instances of doxxing with the admins and they have been helpful. But sadly it's not good enough if we have to be always vigilant. The ban is to be proactive so we don't have to worry what has been posted since the last time we checked

        [–]seattle-freeze[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

        so this is an issue with individuals and not a subreddit? i'm confused.

        [–]ICutThings 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

        I promise that our removal decisions are based on our best attempts to apply the rules evenly

        Well, they're not applied evenly. There was a post made yesterday (that I enjoy) that is no different than the post I made earlier in the week, which was removed for being spam.

        [–]kcrobinsonMadrona 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

        The difference was the the second one had links to your marketplace which made your post cross the line into spam.

        But to address your more generic point. It's absolutely not possible for the rules to be applied 100% evenly. There is a difference in opinion among the mods on some things. Also, things can slip through the cracks until the community reports them so some things can appear approved when really they would be removed if we had seen them.

        [–]ClearGnome 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Maybe the rules shouldn't be written such that they can be interpreted differently based on differences in opinion.

        [–]ImportantOpinionsOlympic Hills 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Easier said then done.

        [–]derangedhyenaLynnwood 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        If artists and photographers aren't allowed to post their work, that should just be made a rule (no art or photography.) It'd be simpler that way.

        [–]IDoDash 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Can I propose a weekly or monthly "Hock your shit here" thread, similar to the weekly "What's happening" thread? This allows people to post links to whatever crap they are peddling all in one place, without clogging the entire sub with separate threads?

        Or what about an "Anything Goes (within reason)" thread - all "rules" are suspended for that thread only with the exception of hate speech and doxing? That could potentially diffuse a lot of the bad feelings about removed posts because OPs can be told "please re-post this to the "Anything Goes" thread.

        Just some thoughts...

        [–]THEREISNOSIDEBAR 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

        When I was a kid, I used to watch Days of Our Lives. I guess it became part of my DNA, because whenever I see threads like these, I find it endlessly entertaining. Thank you everyone. Let the hate flow. Good stuff.

        [–]mudda 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I have not agreed with everything I've seen the mods do, but I also have to be honest because I get pissed off when I write a post which technically follows sub rules but is not in the spirit of the sub and it gets removed. If the rules are enforced the same on everyone though, I don't really mind it as much. For example- I posted about a huge rummage sale which donates its proceeds to charity, because people ask about stuff like that a lot in this sub. It was removed for violating rule 6- but I had no personal stake in the project, no tie to it. I've seen a lot of similar posts removed for the same thing though, so I had to get over myself about it.

        The mods here take a lot of abuse. Like, r/Seattle is about as rude to mods as I have ever seen a sub be to a team of rando-internet folks. Support alternate Seattle subs if you really hate the mods this much- it's easy to search for & find them. Stop the personal attacks towards mods here, though. They might enforce rules we don't care for, but they enforce them pretty much across the board.

        [–]Expo70 14ポイント15ポイント  (18子コメント)

        a mod feels ENDANGERED by members of a subreddit. Are you fuckin kidding me?

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          [–]my_lucid_nightmareCapitol Hill 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It's almost as though there's one set of rules for users, and another set of rules for mods.

          [–]Sykes77 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

          We got to make that sweet sweet reddit safe space with only pictures of sunsets.

          [–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful 4ポイント5ポイント  (14子コメント)

          To be fair, people have done truly crazy shit over online conflicts with anonymity has been broken.

          If someone's handle is utterly compromised, though, it's time to lose the handle. I had a reddit username with 100,000+ link karma before this one. Realized I gave up too much data one random day by doing 'too much' with that username, that could tie to who I am. I was on that username for about four years.

          Nuked it with zero regrets. Took me thirty seconds to decide, and I wasn't in the place that /u/careless is in. But that's up to Careless to decide to nuke or not.

          I've actually been thinking of doing the same on this username for no particular reason (I keep different areas of what I discuss separated between two other usernames, one for professional stuff and one for hobbies), but I'm thisclose to 100k/100k between link and comment karma on this general username that it's the only reason I've kept it around.

          EDIT: Seriously, this is downvoted? C'mon now.

          [–]my_lucid_nightmareCapitol Hill 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          my god, you killed a reddit account full of imaginary internet points to save your IRL privacy? Where's your priorities man

          Also, 3000 comment karma? Pfft.

          [–]BallardLockHemlock 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Yep. One of my posts has gone viral and got linked by Facebook God on a 3rd website. It's just a matter of time before some psycho reads through all my posts and gets an idea who I am. Time to kill this name.

          [–]zomboiFirst Hill -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          mods tend to not enjoy switching to another username/account. they have to create the next account, unmod all the mod team, mod the next accoutn, unmod the current account, and then add the rest of the team back up. During this whole time you have a subreddit not being moderated while waiting for each mod request to be accepted before sending out the next one. Check out careless's mod list and see how much of a clusterfuck it would be for him to change accounts.

          IMO/IME most mods of large/default subs will usually keep their main account for mostly mod duties and resort to actual redditing with an alt account. this lowers the chances of doxxing also.

          [–]ImJustRick 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I sincerely don't know why anyone subscribes to this sub. We've all seen the same 8 pictures from Kerry Park. We all know where to get the best Cuban sandwiches. I there anything else of substance here? I use Reddit all day, but I come here so rarely these days because it's really a little fiefdom with zero fresh content.

          The head mod in charge is a known quantity; we all know and dislike the way he manages r/seattle. Does anyone REALLY have a hope that it's going to improve?

          [–]gvsb 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Are you really seeing pics from Kerry Park? I just get pics from rando locations around town because ... you know, the sun was out or "oh shit, a building from downtown is visible!".

          [–]cyeote 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ITT, careless clearly is not the appropriate name for the person behind it

          [–]ChiefSeathle 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          big injustices happening in seattle, hoping for restitution

          [–]GoldenIvanFirst Hill 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          /r/subredditdrama should get hold of this clownshow

          [–]Darenflagart 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You know, those of you crossing that line and maliciously harassing mods in real life:

          1. It's wrong.
          2. It's not even working.
          3. It gives him a plausible excuse for his censorship.
          4. It makes people who are unfamiliar with the drama take his side.

          Given the above, I have reached the conclusion that what the fuck are you thinking. Just my two cents.

          [–]5994216 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Does anyone else find it hilarious the hated mod is named careless? I don't have strong feelings about this stuff.

          [–]allthefoxes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          FWIW I can confirm doxxing happened :(

          [–]vitriolicmadman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          My actual account was permabanned from this sub over two posts. In one, someone had said that they had moved here from CA and had trouble making friends. I said that a lot of people were tired of all the people moving here from California. My comment was deleted, supposedly as "insulting people or hate speech."

          The second one was a thread where someone was watching a neighbor get carried out of their house on a stretcher. The poster was giving information about the location and asking if others could give details. I said that I that he should respect their privacy, and the OP claimed that they were "trying to help the neighbor." I didn't think that being a voyeur and posting about someone's trip to the hospital was very helpful, and I said so. Careless deleted my comments and permanently banned me from /r/Seattle.

          I love this sub. I gave people advice on breweries and restaurants to visit, talked about hiking, discussed Big Bertha and the tunnel, and joined the cult of gray rainy winter love. I intently followed the thrilling tension of escaped urban chickens, and I even helped talk a local guy out of depressed self-harm. But, according to careless, I "contributed only to vitriol" on the sub. He snarkily and gleefully told me that I was "permanently disinvited from /r/Seattle." No warning, no real violation of the rules, and no temp ban. Just out-of-hand cutting me off forever.

          :(

          [–]brittonsm 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

          okay we discussed; so now what? Are we going to go full Seattle and just bitch without any real action being taken - stay passive aggressive Seattle.

          [–]seattle-freeze[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

          theres nothing we can do do. If we create a different subreddit and link to it the mods can allege they are getting dox'ed from members of that subreddit to ensure it does not gain traction.

          [–]violin_beams 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Please turn off the Auto-banning especially when bots can't understand the context. Can you carelessly unblock my other account. I Carelessly promise to suck yo thingaling in all the right places.

          [–]gvsb 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          This line of postings and discontent happened a lot last year before the meet up day too (closer to the actual date though, if I recall correctly) ... and after the meet up? It died completely. Maybe out of boredom? Maybe out of people meeting careless, et al., and realizing they were normal folk, just like themselves, and quieting down the echo chamber of "me toos!" or the trumpet leads shutting themselves down ... but it sure did quiet and I expect the same this year.

          Anyway ... careless has sucked sometimes when I've dealt with him, kinda like he can't take a joke. But, overall he's been pretty good to me, if not more patient than needed ... but, I think I've been pretty fair and reasoning with him in return so ... ymmv. Then again ... I feel old and like I'm running out of fucks so ... good luck all around?

          [–]seattle-freeze[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (45子コメント)

          Since my concerns were deleted in the original thread and now buried in this thread I'll reiterate them here:

          I think you (/u/careless), or members of the mod team, benefit monetarily, personally or for others, from the arbitary rules regarding the promotion of activities within this subreddit.

          [–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

          How do they profit from deleting threads? Like, who pays them?

          [–]seattle-freeze[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

          eliminating competition.

          [–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

          Sorry, can you explain how that puts cash money into their accounts or pockets? I've been racking my brain the past five minutes trying to guess how you would materially profit by doing this.

          [–]seattle-freeze[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

          If there is an "official" event and an unofficial event held at the same time why would the poster of the unofficial event be banned and their posts deleted? What motivates exist? To my mind it could range from a mistake to something much worse. We are not aware of the mods affiliation with the organizers of the official event or if they have any reason to ensure the official event is successful (perhaps their spouse is part of the waitstaff at the official event and the competition is reducing the amount of tips). When clear guidelines aren't used and arbitrary decisions are made you leave your self open for conflicts of interest.

          [–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

          OK, so this is still about that old legendary game night fiasco.

          What year did that happen?

          [–]guga31bb -1ポイント0ポイント  (20子コメント)

          I think you (/u/careless), or members of the mod team, benefit monetarily, personally or for others, from the arbitary rules regarding the promotion of activities within this subreddit.

          ...what is your evidence for this? How are the rules "arbitrary"?

          I'm not a mod, and this whole thing seems crazy. In the thread yesterday the mods were more than happy to explain their decisions about removing specific threads. The community responded by downvoting them and calling them names.

          [–]seattle-freeze[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (18子コメント)

          An "official" game night competed with another non-official event and the organizer of that event was banned and their posts deleted.

          [–]kcrobinsonMadrona 0ポイント1ポイント  (17子コメント)

          I'm not 100% familiar with this controversy, but from what you're saying, it kind of sounds like we removed the non Reddit meetup. Our meetup rule has always been that the meetup had to have been created by Redditors, for all Redditors, and not be a for-profit venture. If a user was banned for it, I have to assume it's because they posted again after the first was removed and they were warned.

          [–]seattle-freeze[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (16子コメント)

          It was created in this subreddit, by a redditor for redditors, and was a not for profit event. When I spoke with /u/careless he told me that he talked with the creator of that event and that he knows more than me. I've mentioned this issue for years and not once has a mod brought to my attention the reason it was deleted and the user banned. /u/careless could simply say it was a mistake, but they won't even go that far. /u/careless just calls me "a silly tinfoil hat wearing ninny" to quote *them (pronoun).

          [–]zomboiFirst Hill 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I've mentioned this issue for years and not once has a mod brought to my attention the reason it was deleted

          Maybe because no other member of the mod team was a member of the mod team when this kerfluffle happened. I am third mod in the list, right after careless. hibernator is essentially dead on reddit since he never mods or is heard from. careless is the only one on the current mod team that knows anything about the situation. The event you keep bitching about happened before I was modded here so I don't know what happened.

          tl;dr- careless is the only member of the mod team that knows anything about the debacle you keep bitching about.

          [–]seattle-freeze[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I don't think I am bitching. :( to me its a valid concern that has never directly or indirectly been addressed. I get told I am bitching or otherwise mocked. A simple explanation, from the horses mouth (not conjecture from mods not involved) would stop me from bringing it up.

          *the only time I bring it up is when there is discussion of mod abuse. if someone said "oops, yeah, we screwed up that time, we'll try to do better" I would stop and if i didn't they could just continue to repeat that.

          [–]zomboiFirst Hill 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You are throwing the allegation unto careless over one event over 5 yrs ago. Since I have been a mod, under careless, I haven't seen him delete an event as long as 1-it is reddit based; and/or 2-a lot of redditors would be interested to go to it.

          careless usually errs on the side of leaving events up. I am the member of the mod team that is most likely to remove shit, assuming it is a for-profit event.

          [–]zomboiFirst Hill 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

          benefit monetarily, personally or for others, from the arbitary rules regarding the promotion of activities within this subreddit.

          I do not benefit in any physical way from any of the activities that are promoted in /r/seattle. I have never seen any indication of this in what my fellow mods (my whole time as a /r/seattle mod) have removed or promoted.

          If you think that any mod physically benefits from moderation then report it to the admins. Heck, PM me and I will give you one of my irl email addresses and we can talk about why you think as such.

          [–]seattle-freeze[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

          We've talked. You weren't a mod when the situation happened. There was an "official" weekly game night that competed with another "unofficial" activity. The creator of the unofficial activity was banned and their posts deleted. To my mind this kind of arbitrary decision making could create a conflict of interest. To be frank, us as a community don't know if this is still happening, and since the original issue was never addressed in the community the potential conflict of interest could still exist.

          [–]-NoobGainz- 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

          Do you have any proof of this game night fiasco happening? Any logs about what was talked about? Was the unofficial meetup dude banned because of the meetup? Or was he banned because he said or did something else? Who is the source of your information, just the guy who claims he was banned? Was it a $100% true story? You're going to need to provide evidence if you are going to claim the Seattle mods are violating reddit rules, and if you are going to demand the reddit admins remove the sub.

          /u/careless can be a dick, but I have never seen any indication that he/she receives any sort of kickback from anyone, which is what you are claiming happened.

          You either need to provide some proof, or shut the hell up. Because at this point your claims are baseless and without merit.

          [–]seattle-freeze[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Evidence? much like the evidence of dox'ing and endangerment? Additionally, if the mods want to provide an explanation for the user being banned and their posts deleted I would be happy, but /u/careless never has. Rather they attacks me.

          [–]-NoobGainz- 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I'm pretty sure careless doesn't need a reason to delete a thread. It might be a stupid thing to do, but it does not break any rules. Careless isn't the only one who says that sub doxxed careless. Others saw it happen. Doxxing IS against the rules.

          Additionally, whether or not the doxxing happened, does not excuse the fact that you are blatantly accusing the mod team on this subreddit of doing something against the site rules, without any evidence whatsoever of that happening, going so far as to ping the admins to have them investigate. That is both childish and wrong.

          [–]seattle-freeze[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I've ping'ed the admins due to the dox'ing and the feeling of endangerment. my own concerns have been brought up separately.

          [–]seattle-freeze[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

          are you /u/careless ? this account doesn't appear to have posted in this subreddit and is as inflammatory as /u/careless is to me.

          [–]Barril 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You immediately damage your position when you start implying that those who don't hold your views are sockpuppet accounts.

          [–]-NoobGainz- 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Yes. I am careless. I made this account ages ago just so I can use an alt to come here to harass you. You done figured me out.

          [–]seattle-freeze[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

          your account is 5 months old and unverified. I wouldn't call that "ages" additionally, the noobgainz account seems to avoid this subreddit despite being active, but has suddenly appeared.

          [–]-NoobGainz- 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I sub to this sub because I live in Seattle (well, Kirkland) but I do not post here often. Primarily, because most of the posts here don't interest me. But I have posted here in the past. Feel free to creep around. Also, I suspect you might be an alt of /u/YopparaiNeko. I totally appreciate you witchhunting me in a sub that has been known to doxx people. Asshole.