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[–]teefour 69ポイント70ポイント  (20子コメント)

This. People have gotten this absurd idea in their heads that libertarians are anti-abortion. Which is simply not the case. Most are pro-choice even if they disagree with it personally because libertarians are pro-choice on everything.

Then once the tea party got taken over by the republican establishment, they tried to continue connecting them with libertarians even though they are not.

The fact is that if you look at their choice issues, Johnson and Sanders agree 75% of the time. If you support Sanders, you would be better serving your values voting for Johnson than Hillary.

And not only that, but Johnson is currently by far the most popular third party candidate. So even if you disagree with Johnson, but are pro-third parties, you should vote for him and say your voting for him if any pollsters call you since that will get him into the actual debates, paving the way for all third parties in the future.

[–]Dr_Knockers02 48ポイント49ポイント  (15子コメント)

They may have some similarities but Sanders and Johnson can't be in agreement 75% of the time. One is for small government and one is a socialist, those are conflicting ideologies from which they derive their policies.

[–]mypornaccountis 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

They really don't agree on all that much, but they do agree on the most popular issues on reddit: gay marriage, abortion, separation of church and state, legalization of drugs, etcetera

[–]presidenttrump_2016 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

They don't agree on abortion at all. Johnson wants states to decide whether abortion is legal or not.

[–]teefour -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, Ron Paul believes it should be up to the states. Johnson believes it is a very personal decision and has been the law of the land for several decades. Although he thinks there is a debate to be had with very late term abortions.

[–]presidenttrump_2016 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Q: Should abortion be outlawed in the United States? A: Let each state decide. -Gary Johnson

http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Gary_Johnson_Abortion.htm

[–]Lacoste_Rafael 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually libertarians want legal abortion, whereas democrats (and democratic socialists like Sanders) want state funded abortion clinics. Not the same thing.

[–]teefour 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well Sanders is a social democrat, not a socialist. And they mostly agree on foreign policy issues, social issues, drug war issues, basically everything that isn't economics. And considering the president alone can't do much on the economic front, but can have a direct impact on drug war and foreign policy issues, and a moderate impact on social issues, those matter more in terms of who you support for president.

[–]Kafke 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They agree on social views but not fiscal ones. And arguably social views are the more popular way of determining who you vote for.

[–]Josh6889 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's a website called isidewith.com that you answer a bunch of policy questions and it tells you which candidate you most align with. I match up with Sanders 95+ %. I do align a lot with Gary Johnson; much more so than any republican candidate, but the better 3rd party option for me is Jill Stein.

[–]teefour 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That may be, but as I pointed out, Johnson is very close to hitting the numbers needed to force the establishment to let him into the debates, while Jill Stein is not. So that leaves you with a choice. Vote for someone you somewhat agree with who could pave the way for the person you really agree with, or vote for the person you really agree with without much of a chance of it going anywhere in the near future. I'm not passing a judgement either way on this, but my biggest issue is to pave the way for third parties. If Jill Stein was currently polling at 10% and rising like Johnson, I'd be supporting her instead even though I'm a libertarian.

[–]ostracize 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are in agreement on a lot of issues.

The difference is in how you achieve those solutions. One is in favor of more federal government oversight, the other is in favor of less and let the state governments deal with it.

[–]richt519 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think when he said "choice issues" he was basically referring to social issues.

[–]Rochaelpro 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why people don't get to understand the difference between "SOCIALISM" and "SOCIAL DEMOCRACY"

It's all over Europe, even Canada and Mexico...

Socialism has never existed and most likely never will. The URSS was a fascist government.

[–]Dr_Knockers02 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Regardless, it favors big government and high regulations and taxes

[–]Nukatha 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

To the voter that only cares about social issues...

[–]Dr_Knockers02 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, most of their social views will align but they're polar opposites concerning the free market

[–]NotYetRegistered 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

They aren't similar at all. A few social liberal stances don't make up for everything else, from private prisons, welfare, environment to taxes.

[–]SecondHandWatch 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Many Americans are so disconnected from the idea of poverty and the realities of our economic system. The fact that you claimed that "Johnson and Sanders agree 75% of the time" is a perfect illustration of this. They are both socially liberal, yes. Bernie Sanders is, by American standards, on the far left from an economic standpoint. He wants more regulation of businesses, whereas a libertarian wants less.

If all you care about is doing drugs and prostitutes (legally), by all means support libertarians. If you want to breathe clean air, drive on roads for free, send your kids to school for free, collect social security, and not be forced into poverty when businesses start price gouging and colluding, you should vote for Bernie Sanders. If you think that millionaires and billionaires should pay a smaller portion of their income in taxes than you do, vote for libertarians. If you want extremely wealthy people to pay their fair share, you should vote for Bernie Sanders.

[–]teefour -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you fundamentally misunderstand big versus small L libertarians, particularly at the federal level. And seriously misunderstand how fucked social security is if you think you'll be collecting any of it when you retire (assuming you're a millennial) no matter who the president is. And thirdly, misunderstand what kind of power the president has. If you're voting for Sanders thinking you'll actually get any of the free shit he's promising, you'll be sadly disappointed.

[–]SecondHandWatch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Based on what am I misunderstanding the power of the president? I didn't say, "the president will get these things done." And, in fact, I never even used the word president in my post.