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[–]thepenguin259 92 points93 points94 points  (6 children)
THANK YOU SNOPES! Unlike the Hillary backed politifact, you actually spell out the fact that there were multiple videos and no evidence of a chair being thrown.
[–]squidartWashington - Bernie Squad - Cadet 46 points47 points48 points  (1 child)
By disproving the "thrown chair" myth, Snopes has once and for all proven that ALL the commercial media outlets (Yeah, I'm lookin' at you scumbag NPR) are in cahoots with each other and coordinating with the power brokers. Looks like we have our very own "Ministry of Truth" come to life. Ain't it heartwarming?
[–]mrpeabody208 [score hidden]  (0 children)
It's not really coordination. The DNC just makes what it wants to see in the news obvious by putting out the story and the sycophants at CNN/NPR/MSNBC/MustIReallyGoOn pounce on it like the good little bird dogs they are.
[–]Clunkid 22 points23 points24 points  (2 children)
Much of the initial reporting came from local journalist Jon Ralston, who live-tweeted events as they occurred at the convention on 14 May 2016. While Ralston didn't report at the time that chairs were being thrown at the convention
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Jon Ralston tweeted about the purported chair throwing activity despite having left the convention early, but he didn't initially clarify that he was not an eyewitness to the alleged incident
WELL DONE MEDIA. Not even the slightest intent to verify the claim, fucking unbelievable.
Snopes to the rescue.
[–]thepenguin259 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
wow, I thought Ralston was lying about it to the media but it was actually the media who didn't take the steps to vet the information. Cenk's voice* OF COURRRRSSEEEE!!!!
[–]Omair88 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Ralston had a tweet which started with "Berniebots." Obnoxious fuckwit
[–]bschenck96 32 points33 points34 points  (0 children)
This is more outrageous than anything else right now. The biggest news agencies are outright lying repeatedly trying to demonize the most peaceful group of supporters to characterize our movement as uncivil in order to stop our momentum moving forward after the election is over. Check out Van Jones's twitter, he's livid as well. He is the one democrat on any major news agency right now that I respect.
Edit: What the media will do next is search for any future acts of incivility on our part and then blow it up and refer back to this. Whoever is head of the convention protest in Philly must make sure they have the greatest display of peaceful protest that anyone has ever seen
[–]morbidity2 69 points70 points71 points  (24 children)
No. There was no violence of any kind. The media is perpetuating lies, because they are part of the Oligarchy that is desperate to defeat Bernie.
[–]OP cdub384Ohio[S] 48 points49 points50 points  (20 children)
Snopes gave Chairgate an outright unproven. The convention was being recorded like crazy and no one caught it. Someone would have if it would have happened. Same thing with any kind of violence; it would have attracted so much attention someone would have recorded it.
[–]morbidity2 33 points34 points35 points  (2 children)
Wasn't this at a casino?! If casino camera's didn't catch something, it didn't happen! No cops are reporting anything, no arrests, no complaints from a 'victim', etc.. A few minutes of investigation would have confirmed this rumor was unfounded, but that would require ethical and honest journalism, which damn near doesn't exist on tv anymore.
[–]therner 26 points27 points28 points  (0 children)
Yup. You KNOW if chairgate really happened, or any violence at all they'd have the security footage on a loop!
[–]FerretSpeaksCalifornia 18 points19 points20 points  (0 children)
This is the most amazing point of all. I hadn't even considered it was a casino, there must have been like 100 cameras. If ANY violence had happened, it would have been recorded and broadcast worldwide.
[–]celticfife 22 points23 points24 points  (10 children)
Not only that... there are cops everywhere and Senators...you think people throwing chairs would have been arrested.
Where are the police reports and mug shots?
[–]morbidity2 16 points17 points18 points  (9 children)
Where are the people complaining about almost getting hit by a chair!?
[–]Orangetime11 8 points9 points10 points  (6 children)
Whoops I'll be on cnn shortly, I got hit by a chair, it may have been my kid's chair at dinner when he scooted it too close to me, but a chair is a chair! I'm ready to complain and get my paycheck!
[–]morbidity2 4 points5 points6 points  (5 children)
Ohh my, that must have been horrible! I am sure you 'feared for your life'!
Sorry, but I have to go on another rant. If you are fearful for your life, why would you antagonize the thing you are scared of?! If you are unarmed and come across a tiger in the jungle, do you poke it with a stick, or retreat from the situation? Well, if you are Steve Irwin, you might poke it with a stick, but if you are in fear for your life, you carefully retreat from that situation.
[–]Orangetime11 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
It was indeed horrible for my fork full of my dinner but I recovered. After all. My kids are Sanders supporters, and kids are chaotic so automatically Sanders supporters = chaotic, right? But Steve Irwin died right, 10 Years ago? And he was a dad, and an adventurous dad at that, so please don't use that example. Yes they are entitled and antagonistic, maybe it's arrogance, maybe it's bait.
[–]morbidity2 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
Boxer is a Ca senator, and their primary is coming up.
[–]cpl4pplBernie Squad - Cadet 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
She is retiring.
[–]morbidity2 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Yah, but it could still work to give Sanders negative press in Ca. A lot of people don't research the truth on the net, they just watch tv, and believe what they see.
[–]celticfife 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Exactly.
[–]abolish_karma 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Nobody was close to being hit, more like chair shaken menacingly. It felt like violence to them, so they reported it to the medIa as such..
[–]FirstTimeWangMaryland 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Not to mention the tremendous police presence but no arrests, claims that people "stormed the stage" despite physical barricades and literal lines of cops (and again, no arrests). Lots of "violence" but no specific act of violence or injury.
Etc. etc. etc.
[–]abolish_karma 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Whenever the chairgate partakers tweet, in the fuyure. Send them a screenshot of their own tweet, and remind them that they can't be trusted to speak truth on the internet. .. Next ten years or so.
[–]abolish_karma 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
Chairgate
Now, for some reason I feel like protesting using the Chair of Alleged Violence, or possibly Stupid Chair (tape on a DWS picture for good measure).
[–]joftiusBernie Squad - Private 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Let's march in Philadelphia, every one of us holding a chair high above our heads. It'll be our Mockingjay symbol.
Notice a coworker checking S4P? Discretely equip chair and do our signal while the boss isn't looking
[–]sbetschi12World - Europe 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Not a bad idea. Plus, if each of you brings a folding chair, you'll all have a comfy place to sit.
[–]RognikFlorida - Bernie Squad - Sergeant [score hidden]  (0 children)
I am so tired of thing being named "Xgate". How about we call this the Chairnama Papers?
[–]Omair88 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
The media hacks are focused on the violence which never happened as opposed to the reason behind Berner's frustrations
[–]morbidity2 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
They are focused on smearing Bernie and helping and spreading misinformation that helps the puppet they want in office.
[–]Omair88 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Good fucking luck getting her elected by smearing Berners. We will be sending our regards if HC is the nominee (GOT style)
[–]squidartWashington - Bernie Squad - Cadet 22 points23 points24 points  (1 child)
“A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.” -Mark Twain
[–]MilhouseVanHouten 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
"once a bogus story has been printed for the first time, it will be reprinted again and again by the lazy and/or the malicious." - Christopher Hitchens
[–]nucom 17 points18 points19 points  (0 children)
Now think about how scary this actually is. Thousands of people were there but only two were able to sell an outright lie with no problem whatsoever to the whole world even if dozens spoke up about this.
This is the power of MSM
Now imagine it's 50's and there are no smartphones and no internet. How many lies were people sold?
[–]PraetorianGuard14Virginia - Bernie Squad - Cadet 13 points14 points15 points  (2 children)
I really do not like Jon Ralston.
[–]stealmeams 14 points15 points16 points  (1 child)
The standard for journalism is so fucking low in this country that the apparent most respected and well known political reporter in the state of Nevada has no qualms about calling Sanders supporters "berniebots". Absolutely pathetic.
[–]PraetorianGuard14Virginia - Bernie Squad - Cadet 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
Ralston has always had a soft spot for the Democratic establishment in Nevada.
[–]DriftingSkiesArizona - Bernie Squad - Gunnery Sergeant 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
This sort of 'reporting' is what you get when the corporate media has a financial incentive to report first and collect facts later.
[–]MoneyStoreClerk 12 points13 points14 points  (6 children)
Nice little excerpt from a CNN interview:
Clinton: I was very disturbed by what went on [in Nevada].
Interviewer: With him? Or with the supporters?
Clinton: Well, what we saw there...
Interviewer: The supporters?
Clinton: What we saw was disturbing.
Bravo, Hilary.
[–]Vagabondvaga 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
If ever called out on it after its been agreed this story was wholly invented by HRC sureogates: "Well the surrogates who worked for me got all of you to play the story over, and over again with the untrue elements. Everyone was confused, even me, and I gave the orders to push the lies myself!"
[–]OP cdub384Ohio[S] 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
She is an expert on that, she didn't mention anything of substance so she can't be pinned. Its the source of her teflon.
[–]abolish_karma 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
To be fair. After spending past 10,000 hours on something, you get to be Grandmaster level good. She's one of the better at Talking While Technically not Lying
[–]Omair88 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Yeah and implying Bernie doesn't give a shit about Sandy Hook victims isn't disturbing right? Obnoxious fuck. Comey please indict her fucking ass
[–]AWeirdCrabUnited Kingdom [score hidden]  (0 children)
lol
all those words to say absolutely nothing.
[–]dsmymfah 12 points13 points14 points  (5 children)
The writer of the fact check is a Redditor /u/KLaCapria, who has asked for and received support from this sub in previous fact-finding endeavors, such as the data breach.
Thank you Kim, for providing a well-researched piece. One additional thing you might consider researching is whether or not the convention delegates had a real (or perceived) complaint that fomented their actions. I.e. Was there an intentional bias to the proceedings? This question, in my opinion, is a very important one to ask as it goes directly to the heart of the delegates' motivations.
[–]KLaCapria 8 points9 points10 points  (4 children)
You remembered me! Thank you!
Yes, I was surprised to see that come up months later on r/politics- I'm a far more prolific Redditor but I use this as my work account. I go to relevant subs during breaking political events because things are often well tracked by relevant subs.
We actually conferred for days about how to handle questions about the events in Nevada; truthfully, it was daunting after the hate mail I received for weeks after the Huerta controversy (even though she debunked it)!
I started with the chair because it was coming in as a discrete question, those are easier to unpack. We discussed doing a linear side-by-side of what went down, but the reports were too conflicting. And to start, the chair seemed to be the most symbolic claim. And it was easy to locate the thread of the shoddy reporting all the way back.
We aren't opposed to looking into irregularities and multiple questions about the same event, but a problem with fact checking the other claims is that corroboration would be likely to come from NVDems, they haven't been responsive, and they'll likely stick to their story. Locating information to substantiate objections would be more difficult.
It's funny, this time no one is complaining that I'm anti-Hillary, and some people are saying this is surprising since we're pro-Hillary :/ but it isn't a real workday until I get accused of shilling for three conflicting entities.
TBH a lot of the election reporting I've seen has been disappointing, my lowpoint was watching Chris Matthews repeat conjecture over and over during a primetime primary event. We welcome tips, so please ping us! We can't always get a satisfactory read on a rumor, but we also often look for topics and aren't opposed to any.
Thank you :)
[–]The1stCitizenOfTheInBernie Squad - Private First Class 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
DO NOT SELL OUT TO VOX, TIME WARNER, COMCAST OR WHOEVER!
[–]abolish_karma 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
You risk seeing political entities buying up media large-scale if Brock gets more funding
[–]The1stCitizenOfTheInBernie Squad - Private First Class 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I have two video playlists of the NV convention can it be used?
[–]Darksideofthebob 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
Snopes you the real MVP
[–]ChessmasterrexNorth America 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
It's amazing how Boxer, DWS and the rest of the Democratic party establishment is so quick to throw Sanders and his supporters under the bus without due diligence to verify the story was true.
[–]jonnyredshortsVermont - Bernie Squad - Lance Corporal [score hidden]  (0 children)
They know the truth, their response was calculated to smear Bernie and his supporters. They have been exposed a little bit more, and now even fewer will support her if she ends up with the nomination. They are a pathetic excuse for a democratic organization.
[–]Vagabondvaga 11 points12 points13 points  (1 child)
This is on the level of the media takedown of HD with the Dean Scream, which wasnt even as dishonest though just as manipulated and endlessly played. Only consolation with Dean is it turns out he deserved it.
[–]bout_that_action 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Good point. I've been anticipating something like this. Especially after the NY Daily News hit-job.
[–]aaron91325 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
Chairgazi aka Hillary lied again.
[–]squidartWashington - Bernie Squad - Cadet 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
I'm sure they'll all issue a big apology to Bern... ah, never mind.
[–]webconnoisseur 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
All the attention on the wrong chair - the undemocratic actions of the Chair of the Caucus should be the real story, not some magical invisible flying chair that escaped thousands of camera phones, livestreams and security cams.
[–]jonnyredshortsVermont - Bernie Squad - Lance Corporal [score hidden]  (0 children)
I would Gold you, but all my extra money goes to Bernie. Well said!
[–]MidgardDragon 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
Thank god Snopes hasn't been compromised. Considering the extensive amount of likely Hillary supporters I remember from their forums back in the day they still care more about the truth.
[–]ritzcheesecake 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
POS Roberta Lang said chairs were being thrown on stage and the media just ate it all up. SMH.
[–]badassgirl 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
🙌🏾
[–]AnonymousFuckass 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
No but this is distracting people from the undemocratic and crookedness of the DNC and their chosen one, and for that goal it is as truthy as it needs to be.
[–]RNGmasterWashington 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
#Chairghazi
[–]LG193The Netherlands [score hidden]  (0 children)
Fucking disgraceful that Hillary is abusing her "charity" to funnel millions of dollars to her campaign, is under the investigation of the FBI for not having protected tens of thousands of confidential e-mails and is stealing funding from down-ticket candidates. But the media completely ignores it.
Yet when a Sanders supporter wanted to throw a chair (and was stopped by other supporters), the media can't shut up about it and isn't even speaking the truth.
I mean, support whoever you want, but the media are straight up lying.
[–]Omair88 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Answer: Nopes
[–]EggTee 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Mad props, snopes. Good stuff.
[–]annonita [score hidden]  (0 children)
Yesterday on WBUR/Morning edition sometime between 5 and 7 am, a particularly over-the-top spew of "fist fights breaking out and chairs being thrown" statements were made in some one on one interview. Interviewer didn't challenge it.
Later in the day - when the Brian Lehrer show was discussing events in Nevada, I did a first call in to any show ever. - The segment was over, but - when I asked about emailing - the call screener invited me, if I wanted, to share my email address, and said he'd keep an eye out for it. So - an excerpt of what I wrote - I doubt I'll get any response. But I think it still matters to keep trying to communicate with individuals at NPR. (I'd say scrap Morning Edition, All Things Considered.. but specific programs/hosts may be worth it). Part of what I wrote:
Re: Nevada - I wanted the chance to say two things:
Based on absolutely every video I've seen (+ first person accounts, such as Nina Turner's), the accounts on NPR are absolutely untrue (not in this segment on your show, from the part I heard). If there had been fist fights (claimed on Morning Edition) and general chair throwing, what are the odds that that would NOT have been caught on video by someone. Can any reasonable journalist not wonder why that wasn't captured and replayed a thousand times by every media outlet from CNN to MSNBC? Instead the only observable footage shows people upset, shouting, yes, with arms raised.
One event specifically, caught on video - that was actually - to me - a heartwarming moment to observe and could and should have been a story, was instead falsely turned into some broad statement about people throwing chairs. Here's what I saw in the video clip - A man started to lift a chair up high - someone standing near him took the chair (no struggle, just quietly removed it). Others standing near him, put their arms around him/hugged him, and appeared very much to be speaking soothingly to him. It was very moving how quickly, quietly and effectively people (who were themselves likely exhausted at that point) took responsible action. That should have been the story.
Thanks for taking the time to read this,
Edited to make formatting make sense and add some missing words.
[–]HoldenFinn [score hidden]  (2 children)
I mean, the dude picking up the chair sure as hell doesn't bode well for the Sanders campaign, thrown or not.
[–]HoldenFinn [score hidden]  (0 children)
Lol are we going to deny the Sanders campaign has unruly supporters that act like petulant children sometimes? Or are we going to do a Trump thing and just sort of half ignore it and half embrace it?
[–]Serisx 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
The idiot still should never have even picked up the chair in the first place.
[–]abolish_karma 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Totally, buy due to responsible bystanders no harm was done and a lot of lying scumbags were showing their hand that day
[–]OP cdub384Ohio[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)
True, it must have been a short fit of uncontrollable rage.
[–]detects_assholes [score hidden]  (0 children)
I'm pretty sure Bobby Knight was in the audience that night and there's hardly any stopping that guy
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