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Hello, lovely ladies! As you may remember, we started this community because of moderator inaction against racist users. reddit gives everyone the ability to build their own community, but there are still problems because of inaction above us.
Since this community was created, individuals have been invading this space to post hateful, racist messages and links to racist content, which are visible until a moderator individually removes the content and manually bans the user account. All of these individuals are anonymous, many of them are on easily-created and disposable (throwaway) accounts, and they are relentless, coming in barrages. Hostile racist users are also anonymously “downvoting” community members to discourage them from participating. reddit admins have explained to us that as long as users are not breaking sitewide rules, they will take no action.
The resulting situation is extremely damaging to our community members who have the misfortune of seeing this intentionally upsetting content, to other people who are interested in what black women have to say, as well as moderators, who are the only ones capable of removing content, and are thus required to view and evaluate every single post and comment. Moderators volunteer to protect the community, and the constant vigilance required to do so takes an unnecessary toll.
We need a proactive solution for this threat to our well-being. We have researched and understand reddit’s various concerns about disabling downvotes and restricting speech. Therefore, we ask for a solution in which communities can choose their own members, and hostile outsiders cannot participate to cause harm.
reddit has known about the more general problem of hostile users, and openly advocates for avoiding them by forming our own communities. reddit undergoes continuous changes to address the needs of these communities, and there is no reason it cannot do something about hostile users that invade them. We are here, we do not want to be hidden, and we do not want to be pushed away.
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*Edit: Moderators of other communities are invited to co-sign this letter, and invite their community members into the discussion.
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[–]WitOfTheIrish 300 points301 points302 points  (7 children)
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As someone who has subscribed to this sub for a while, but is not a black lady, thank you for looking for an alternative to going private. I appreciate having your posts and discussions to read in order to broaden my own perspective and world view.
It deeply saddens me that people feel the need to actively tear down this space you've created. I hope that reddit admins can find some more suitable solutions for the brigading and racism problems this and many subs experience.
[–]smashey 51 points52 points53 points  (2 children)
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Yeah I'm in the same boat. I don't really post here but it I really enjoy reading it.
[–]ishjohnson 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
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agreed
[–]Ih8Hondas 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
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I second this. It really is appreciated.
[–]emarete 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
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Same here. As a white cis feminist with a diverse family, I get not only information but also strength lurking here, and I'm so grateful that it's public. Sometimes the links and discussions here are just what I need to sort out my own thoughts.
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    [–]CosmicGame 42 points43 points44 points  (2 children)
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    Forgive me if I'm talking out an unfortunate orifice, but it seems like you might get some quicker response see if you actively make the brigading/hating/being-a-douchecanoe problem in this sub into the admins' problem too. Send them all every piece of ugly crap that you have to fish out of the sub lest it make folks uncomfortable. Evil photoshops, nasty messages, hate speech, the lot. All of, every time you get it, all day erry day. Pretty soon they'll have to acknowledge the problem jus to get their inboxes back. That's what I'd do if I were in mod shoes here and wanted a swift reply. It makes me smile to think about them seeing for themselves the magnitude of the problem...
    [–]koronicus 19 points20 points21 points  (1 child)
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    Pretty soon they'll have to acknowledge the problem jus to get their inboxes back.
    I may be a tad cynical, but they could also just ban you for what they'd see as spamming them. Which would be kind of ironic.
    [–]slyder565 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
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    Seems like this happened.
    [–]vvomade in Việt Nam 90 points91 points92 points  (1 child)
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    i help mod /r/asiantwoX. we are brigaded in a nearly non-stop fashion. every guy with an asian fetish feels the need at some point to stop by and tell us alllllllllll about it. we also get our share of racists pouring garbage from their keyboards.
    we don't want to go private/invite only. we serve a pretty small demographic. it's hard enough to get our sub know to our target audience (go ahead, search 'asian' in the subreddits. see how much porn pops up.) going private would pretty much silence our community. it's not really an acceptable choice.
    i hope the reddit admins will do something about it. honestly, though, for as long as i've been on reddit they'd much rather have free hate speech than minority subreddits. reddit should just rename their corporate head quarters 'stone mountain' so they can stand shoulder to shoulder with the fellow 'free speech' warriors.
    [–]seeyoshirun 95 points96 points97 points  (8 children)
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    I think this subreddit actually falls under an unfortunate double-whammy, because in my experience it's not just racism, but also sexism and homophobia. I've seen problems with all three of these things on a number of subreddits, and this subreddit probably gets targeted as a result of the first two of those three things.
    On the one hand I understand the need for free speech, but when that free speech ends up alienating other people or discouraging them from exercising their own right to free speech, there's definitely a problem.
    Thanks for posting this.
    [–]Baryonyx_walkeri 52 points53 points54 points  (2 children)
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    On the one hand I understand the need for free speech, but when that free speech ends up alienating other people or discouraging them from exercising their own right to free speech, there's definitely a problem.
    I don't think that free speech should be required of all private forums. That need varies based on the makeup and goals of each individual forum, and in most cases a forum's value is reflective of the quality of the moderation.
    Edit: To make this more specific, I'm agreeing with you in that allowing racist trolls to do their thing runs counter to the goals of this forum, and free speech should take a back seat in cases like this.
    [–]seeyoshirun 23 points24 points25 points  (0 children)
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    Precisely. I think that should really be one of the caveats of Reddit's rules; free speech for all, so long as your free speech doesn't somehow impinge on someone else's.
    I mean, ultimately it's up to the admins (free speech isn't required of private forums, but it's also up to the owners of the forum to decide on that), but I think addressing this issue would be a good thing for the site. I suspect this problem alienates a lot of the potential Reddit users who aren't white, heterosexual men. It probably also alienates some of the white, heterosexual men who aren't bigoted trolls.
    [–]reddit858 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
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    I think the best plan of action would be develop a culture on Reddit that strong discourages and downvotes hateful material. As of right now, it feels like hateful comments and content are encouraged because they're usually upvoted.
    Edit: For example, I'm not a woman, but I feel like "sandwich" jokes were very popular during the early stages of Reddit but have now been strongly discouraged because so many people spoke out against them, and now "sandwich" jokes are usually downvoted below the comment voting threshold. I hope this attitude can happen for all other hateful speech.
    [–]hermithome 19 points20 points21 points  (0 children)
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    I think this subreddit actually falls under an unfortunate double-whammy, because in my experience it's not just racism, but also sexism and homophobia. I've seen problems with all three of these things on a number of subreddits, and this subreddit probably gets targeted as a result of the first two of those three things.
    Absolutely. I'm a mod of FT and women, and we both mostly get hit by misogyny brigades. Yeah, we deal with racism and homophobia and transphobia, but we mostly get hit by sexism.
    I've always been awed by the mods here, because I know that they get hit way worse then we do and they do such an amazing job.
    [–]slippish 23 points24 points25 points  (2 children)
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    I'm not sure why people always forget what the right to free speech is. The government is the only one it applies to. The government cannot suppress the free speech of others but all citizen's can suppress whomever they want. I can say whatever I want but the first amendment does not protect me from condemnation, consequences or out right exile from any group (including society as a whole) as long as the government is not involved.
    [–]ponyproblematic 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
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    Yep. You can say whatever you want, but you can't force someone else to give you a space to spread your message.
    [–]cerettala -7 points-6 points-5 points  (0 children)
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    Sometimes you have to take the bad with the good though. I used to work for a few high-tiered websites, and when we started implementing social features we had to hire 4 full time moderators that worked in shifts of 2 24/7. And that was only a top 300 website, I can't imagine the army of people you would have to hire to combat trolls on Reddit.
    I think the reason Reddit doesn't want to start censoring things is due to the social shitstorm that comes with it (I.E, Implementing a system that auto-bans users for being offensive, and ends up auto-banning people who aren't being offensive). From a moral standpoint I agree with this petition 100%, but from a technical standpoint I just don't see how they could make it work.
    Plus, given the size and traffic volume of Reddit and it's already shaky financial footing, I don't think that they could make ends meet if they invested time into this sort of thing. This isn't something (IMO) a simple policy change can fix. Remember, they only have 5(ish) people working for them.
    I guess my point is, don't get pissed at the Reddit devs if they don't do something. Trust me when I say they have more pressing matters to work on.
    Not to mention when you advertise yourself as an "open forum", you have to take the bad with the good. You can't start banning people for personal beliefs (even if they are horrible, socially unacceptable, evil ones) and still label yourself that.
    [–]wonderful_wonton 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
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    I agree.
    Edit: Also, strikes me as people who are too cowardly to vent their anger/hate in other subreddits, coming to a black female forum. Bullies usually pick victims who have the least support/defense around them, so they're being cowardly when they go after the female representatives of whatever group they're attacking.
    [–]deadalusparkThis isn't hyperbole, it's reality verbally 22 points23 points24 points  (15 children)
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    While it might not be much help, and I may not be a black lady, I love this sub, and if nothing else but you need someone to help moderate and remove such awfulness, I would be happy to help.
    This is coming from a guy who almost refuses to mod subs, even though I've been politely asked to do so many times. (I'm sorry /r/womeninphilosophy!) Although, I also totally understand the need for the mod team to actually be comprised of black ladies, and not just their supporters.
    I love all you ladies, and I hope the admins listen for once!
    [–]catofnortherndarknes 19 points20 points21 points  (14 children)
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    You know, I really like this idea. Maybe we can at least recruit some people who aren't Black to be mods? I suppose there would have to be an extensive vetting process, because the sociopaths that frequent the toilet subs are certainly so depraved that they would probably try to create personae that made them seem as if they were legit.
    I think this might be a good way, if it could work, for those who are not Black and not ladies to help absorb some of the brunt of the harassment and verbal/image violence with which our current mods are bombarded. It would be pretty symbolic of the idea that white supremacy is a problem that the white people at large are, I feel, obligated to address and to help eradicate, though we people of color are usually the ones who absorb its hammer blows on a daily basis, and then are expected to confront it as if it is our problem alone.
    Some shitbag posted in another sub, or maybe it was this thread, and I paraphrase, "How would you like white people to solve this problem for you?" None of us need to question what the implication or intent is behind that statement. But it's still an apt one, edited for racist shitstain passive aggression. How do we want white people to solve this problem? Because it is a white problem.
    That said, while white folks will have a job of it continuing to address their problem in the macro, one thing that could be done here in the relative micro is for some white folks to step up and help out with the pressures of modding, and enduring the assault day in and day out. I don't say that white folks who are sane will not also be traumatized by what they see or read in modmail, but I don't think it's untoward of me to suggest that they are likely not to be nearly as affected as the Black women who currently have to view the vomit.
    Mods, what say you? I'm worried about y'all. The blows you have absorbed for the rest of us trouble me often, and although I know you are all "iron like a lion in zion" to quote Bob Marley, you are still sensitive and beautiful souls, and after repeated barrages, even the toughest armor gets dinged and ruptured. I'm so grateful to all of you.
    [–]deadalusparkThis isn't hyperbole, it's reality verbally 11 points12 points13 points  (2 children)
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    That's really an eloquent way to put it, and I think you're absolutely right, while it might be slightly upsetting to a white moderator who is an ally, it could still be far less damaging to our psyche than of those who the vitriol was actually directed at.
    However, I also agree that it would need a really, really severe vetting process, which is difficult to do online. I've had an account for six years. Who really wants to read through my entire backlog of comments just to ensure I'm not secretly a racist shithead? Hell, sometimes when I'm trying to dig up something I referenced four years ago I eventually give up because there isn't an option to search my own comment history.
    Which just adds another thing to the pile of shit the admins could do to help with this problem, include a search function for users comment histories.
    [–]catofnortherndarknes 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
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    However, I also agree that it would need a really, really severe vetting process, which is difficult to do online. I've had an account for six years. Who really wants to read through my entire backlog of comments just to ensure I'm not secretly a racist shithead?
    I agree, but many eyes make light work. If potential white ally mods nominated themselves, a list of the potential candidates could be drawn up, and those from the community who volunteer(raising hand) could be enlisted to help look through post histories. Certainly even that would be a challenge, but I wonder if the mods and the rest of the community feel that this could be valuable or even feasible.
    [–]erovertonLove, Blacktually 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
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    Man I would love if we could search our own comment histories. Or at least search for our own comments by subreddit.
    [–]Augochlora 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
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    Just in case this takes off, I am a white woman and I would totally do this. I want to be more involved in social justice work, and to understand racism and racial issues better, but that's often hard to do in my line of work (I work as a biologist at remote field stations- there's not many opportunities to interact with an in-person community). I think I could do a good job of sifting through the bullshit- especially if it's as a sort of early filter (i.e. If i wasn't sure how to feel about something, maybe I could pass it along to a higher-up mod?)
    [–]slyder565 1 point2 points3 points  (7 children)
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    It would be pretty symbolic of the idea that white supremacy is a problem that the white people at large are, I feel, obligated to address and to help eradicate
    Wow. Before I became of mod of /r/lgbt I was a community member who advocated for the addition of a cisgender moderator. As a cisgender person I felt it was right that we should be there, but I was never able to formulate why. I don't think this translates to race per se, since many (most?) LGBT people would ID as cisgender, but it's an interesting thought.
    Reddits new admin functions allow some abilities to be given to sub-mods. Having non-black mods might work in this structure... but I'm not sure all of the community members would feel safe with the first eyes on their posted content being white?
    [–]catofnortherndarknes 0 points1 point2 points  (6 children)
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    I don't think this translates to race per se, since many (most?) LGBT people would ID as cisgender, but it's an interesting thought.
    Well, it translates in that homophobia and transphobia comes from straight and cisgendered people, and is therefore primarily their problem to confront, though like white supremacy, the brunt of the burden more often lands on those persecuted by it.
    I also thought of a sort of tier-ed system if we were to implement the addition I suggest, sort of like sieves with increasingly smaller holes. The non-Black mods could be the biggest holes, checking for the big chunks of shit, and nothing else. The other mods could then concern themselves with the others.
    I'm a bit of a Luddite, so I don't know what's technologically possible. Just spitballing.
    [–]slyder565 3 points4 points5 points  (5 children)
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    Yeah that is the parallel for sure. I think my point was that LGBT people are both cis and trans (and in between) but black people, and those who experience the same oppressive shit, are not the "white" people we'd be looking to recruit (ie white people who do not experience that oppressive shit). It's more like how LGBT people aren't cisgender AND straight, does that make sense?
    Anyway, with the new system, you can give each mod any combo of 6 or so functions. Varying degrees of power or whatever. It could work as a sieve. But since I'm white I don't really want to say if that would be ok for people here.
    I stopped going to /r/gay when I found out one of the top mods, who had full mod privileges, was a straight man who happened to be the friend of a gay mod. It really rubbed me the wrong way to think a slice of the internet carved out for gay people was actually being (partially) run by a straight man, who really had no concept of how his presence might impact the space. Maybe I'm cynical, but I'm skeptical of allies. Hell I don't even like posting here because I'm not black and these aren't my issues, even if I experience similar ones.
    [–]stufstuf 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)
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    I don't know why you're getting downvoted. I 100% agree with you. This is supposed to be a black run, black space. I fully understand the desire to be a more vocal ally, but the reality is that's not what this space is supposed to be. Like, even black men understood that and created their own space. It doesn't mean they aren't welcome here, but they understood that this is a space for black women, they didn't try to say they should have a voice because they are allies.
    There are so many other subs and so many other places where we can all come together and talk about how we can all work together, but this is a space where I feel that would be inappropriate. Just because right now this subreddit has been used to spearhead this campaign, doesn't mean that's all we are here.
    I get what the above posters are trying to suggest, and it really is well meaning, but it really comes across as white people trying to take over, yet again. No matter the community, it doesn't matter how sympathetic, no matter how angry an outsider gets, they'll never get it because they aren't directly affected.
    If we want more varied voices, let's get more black people from around the world to be moderators. Having white moderators won't change anything, won't stop the racists and won't solve any problems.
    [–]slyder565 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
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    Posts like that get downvoted because even though this is /r/blackladies I'm willing to bet the majority of readers are white (especially right now because this post has been linked by all of meta-reddit) and as you probably know, we white people don't like to hear that we're not the solution to the world's problems, lol.
    Anyway, I really respect what the mods here are trying to do and have thrown my subs' support behind them. I'd really like to see a framework created to actually combat the vile stuff that happens on reddit. We'll all benefit.
    [–]catofnortherndarknes 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
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    I certainly didn't downvote. And I completely get the point. I wasn't intending to suggest that non-Black people should take over--in fact, parameters around what they should look for in posts could be quite strict. It really wasn't intended as suggesting that white folk should run anything, but more thinking of our mods, and the abuse they have to tolerate every day, all in the interests of keeping the rest of us safe.
    No, we will never stop the racists, but that isn't my intent. They have always and will always exist, and that's their problem. What I would like is to have a way that acknowledgement of their existence is more a choice than an inevitability.
    [–]stufstuf 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
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    I fully understand where you and the other posters were coming from, especially the desire to help. I just don't see how white moderators would convey the point you want to make in this particular scenario.
    [–]catofnortherndarknes 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
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    It's not so much conveying an idea, but more like load-bearing. I hear you though.
    [–]unknown_anomaly 74 points75 points76 points  (3 children)
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    Thanks for this community. I care about what black women have to say and appreciate an open forum like this where anyone can read it.
    On another note, can you imagine what the lives of those people are like? I think about this sometimes when I see hater posts especially ones that are racist or sexist. It must be a miserable life having so much hate that you would take the time to seek out a community like this and try to destroy it, actually taking the time to make multiple accounts to do so. All you black ladies on this forum and the many people on other forums who have to deal with this, hopefully it's some consolation that miserable bastards like that are reaping their own punishment from the seeds of hate they're sowing, and not actually converting anyone to their way of thought in forums like this.
    [–]erovertonLove, Blacktually 59 points60 points61 points  (2 children)
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    Forty-three. They made forty-three subreddits specifically for hating Black people. That's not counting the hate subreddits they make for hating women, Jews, and other non-white ethnic groups.
    [–]KittyKami 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
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    This sickens me.
    [–]FistofanAngryGoddessturkeyneck ratchet hoodcat 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
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    I had no idea the number was so high.
    [–]SammyTheKitty 95 points96 points97 points  (4 children)
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    Mod of /r/OpenChristian here showing support, and I've cross-posted to my sub for awareness. Although we're primarily a sub for discussing LGBT openness in Christianity, we also take a firm stand against all other forms of discrimination including sexism and racism. Must solidarity to our sisters in this sub!
    [–]DualPollux[Moderator - speaking officially.] 17 points18 points19 points  (1 child)
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    Thank you!
    [–]Varsyr 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
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    Hi, /r/OpenChristian sub here. Ditto the solidarity thing - Reddit is really terrible sometimes.
    [–]Phoenix1Rising 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
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    I sub to both of /r/OpenChristian and here (obviously) and I appreciate the cross-over of support and empathy!
    [–]SupriyaLimaye -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
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    Thanks!
    [–]erovertonLove, Blacktually 36 points37 points38 points  (0 children)
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    Being re-posted to my subs for feedback from the community. Thanks, Ladies, for speaking up!
    [–]gerre 22 points23 points24 points  (0 children)
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    Came over here to send you solidarity from one member of the white male community! Reddit must stop taking this passive "build your own community" approach. It reminds me of gentrification, where PoC don't get to decide on their own communities and are forced out economically to other locations. Build your own space, unless white folks want it, then there is nothing the authorities can do? Now net neutrality, that I'd something that effects us white people, so reddit admins move heaven and earth to address that issue.
    [–][deleted] 40 points41 points42 points  (2 children)
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    applauds
    [–]murdahmamurdah 48 points49 points50 points  (46 children)
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    Just saw this on the front page of my /all so I'm chiming in. /r/hiphopheads mod/white dude so sorry for inserting myself into your conversation a bit. we deal with similar things but definitely to a lesser degree than yall.
    i believe you can make a subreddit private some how. that might help you out but its totally a bad option for growth. It may be worth while to set up automoderator which can help removing some of the bad posts. you can set the options to remove anything with x amount of reports. set x to 1 till the heat dies down then slowly increase as time goes on. anyone concerned about content that gets removed due to racists abusing the report button can msg the mods and have their content reapproved.
    edit: also, if you go the automod route, make sure to tell the community that theyre effectively self policing at that point and encourage the use of the report button.
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      [–]murdahmamurdah 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
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      just double checking with the other mods right now about x posting. asking them regardless if they have any ideas.
      about to leave work tho. should I msg the mods here when/if we post?
      [–]yellowmix Robot Wranglernon-black mix of yellow 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
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      You do not have to. We're used to brigades so we know when we're being linked to. =)
      [–]ellouelle 45 points46 points47 points  (27 children)
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      I second automod. We use /u/automoderator over on /r/rape and it has been a complete fucking lifesaver. We have it set to remove posts from people who have less than 1 karma, who have certain slurs in their username, posts that contain certain words, etc etc. It also sends modmail every time it moderates something, so we can quickly see if it should be reapproved or not.
      [–]DualPollux[Moderator - speaking officially.] 67 points68 points69 points  (15 children)
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      We've currently got /u/MisandryBot rolling out bans for every single poster in [the worst racist sub ever] as a huge chunk of the trolling has been coming from there.
      It has not/will not stop the flow though. The problem in the end is daring to be Black on Reddit. It drives them all up the wall.
      [–]erovertonLove, Blacktually 55 points56 points57 points  (6 children)
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      It's bad enough we had to have the females infiltrating our Ancient and Honourable Brotherhood of Redditry. But what's this you say? You and your ilk show your faces here... while openly being one of the blaques?! It cannot be borne!
      [–]DualPollux BLACK ZOMBIE JESUS 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
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      gif
      crying
      cant breef
      [–]FirstWaveMasculinist 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
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      hahaha i read this in avps!lucius's voice and it's amazing this is an amazing comment wow congratulations for making the best comment on reddit. :)
      [–]erovertonLove, Blacktually 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
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      AVPM &AVPS 4 LIFE, SON! Represent!
      [–]excelzombie 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
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      ;_; is this from the harry potter musical.
      I can even again. 2 4 6 8 Thank you.
      [–]erovertonLove, Blacktually 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
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      XD
      [–]deadalusparkThis isn't hyperbole, it's reality verbally 19 points20 points21 points  (2 children)
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      The problem in the end is daring to be Black on Reddit. It drives them all up the wall.
      Happening to be female in general doesn't help either, as we've seen with the shit-storm in the gaming community in the last few days over a white girl game designer who had the audacity to have a sex life.
      So it's like you've got it double-plus bad.
      [–]newgrl 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
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      Oh good god... let's not talk about ZQ and the great gaming conspiracy of SJWs here. That shit has been giving me a headache for a couple of weeks now.
      [–]deadalusparkThis isn't hyperbole, it's reality verbally 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
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      You know what really puts the nail in the coffin for me about the ZQ shit?
      Where is the outrage at journalism being compromised here? I don't see a hundred threads popping up disparaging this journalist for his transgressions, nor the CIA for theirs in trying to clean up the stories. Nobody calling them "sluts" and shaming them.
      Does this just show reddit's totally fucked priorities when "game journalism" is such a serious thing, but actual journalism about unchecked powers is just a non-starter for conversation. Or does it reveal something even more sinister, that it isn't even about something as benign as games journalism, its simply about lashing out at a singular woman, who as one individual, had the audacity to make a free video game and have a sex life that they collectively disapprove of because "some girl was a bitch to me once."
      Yeah, when it's a helpless girl on her own, it's fair game to disparage her and try to ruin her life. When its people in the upper echelons of society who do some seriously fucked up shit (Uhm, CIA torture report, anybody? COINTELPRO???), everyone just clams the fuck up.
      "Stay classy, reddit," as the old saying goes.
      [–]vvomade in Việt Nam 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
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      we use automod but it has it's limits. it sends us a message anytime someone with less than 5 karma posts (which most troll accounts are at) but we still have to review every post to see if it's garbage or a legitimate alt post.
      the main thing it wont catch is groomers. people who start a new account, post ordinary things for a few days to get karma, then go off like rush limbaugh learning women are allowed out of the house.
      [–]kmangwing 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
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      The automoderator that /r/trees uses automatically deletes posts from users with negative karma.
      [–]murdahmamurdah 14 points15 points16 points  (1 child)
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      What ive found is that getting your userbase to do some of the lifting for you really helps. if you can get folks to start religiously reporting comments, with automod set to remove comments/posts with any reports, you've effectively turned your entire userbase into a mod team. your userbase may be small enough for that to work, but on the other hand, its also a very abusable system if youre already prone to brigading. maybe play with the number a bit. 2 reports, or 3. just an idea.
      The problem in the end is daring to be Black on Reddit. It drives them all up the wall.
      the harassment i get when people make assumptions about me is crazy, so cant imagine what its like to be a POC on reddit. def wanna try to help any way i can
      [–]koronicus 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
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      Unfortunately, the userbase can't stop people from drive-by downvoting everything in sight. And while it may be against the rules in some fashion or another to vote in linked threads*, that in no way stops people from subscribing to a sub just to click the little blue arrow all over the place.
      *It hardly seems to be consistently employed, and shadowbanning abusive users as a reactionary response to bad behavior all day simply can't be the funnest job in the world. I can scarcely imagine the admins are happy about the idea of babysitting reddit's users to this degree.
      [–]midwestprotestno rest in the midwest 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
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      The problem in the end is daring to be Black on Reddit. It drives them all up the wall.
      Pretty much it.
      [–]TheYellowRose I woke up like this 9 points10 points11 points  (10 children)
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      We have a few bots but a lot of the trolls that bother us are established accounts. Yellowmix made a bot to ban everyone that participates in (that one racist sub), so that should be helpful, but they always have alts.
      [–]murdahmamurdah 5 points6 points7 points  (8 children)
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      thats where i think the reporting removal functions well, because it relies on user analysis rather than just karma counts or previous sub usage to determine what should be removed. i think that sort of qualitative analysis is important for subs with topics more like this one rather than others
      granted, it could be highly abusable/could make more work for yall.
      [–]TheYellowRose I woke up like this 17 points18 points19 points  (7 children)
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      Well these users are posting pictures of murdered black children, we'd prefer nobody have to see it
      [–]murdahmamurdah 14 points15 points16 points  (2 children)
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      oh jeez wtf yeah thats awful. didnt know the problem was that bad. apologies.
      in that case, I'm at a loss for ideas but i'll send a msg to the mod team here if i come across anything that may help.
      [–]DualPollux[Moderator - speaking officially.] 12 points13 points14 points  (1 child)
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      oh jeez wtf yeah thats awful. didnt know the problem was that bad. apologies.
      It's that bad and worse. The sub in question? Nobody from here ever, or super rarely goes in their. They only harass us each and every day.
      I've seen a lot of corpses and gore thanks to them.
      [–]murdahmamurdah 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
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      thats absolutely horrifying. i honestly dont know what else to say other than my heart goes out to you for dealing with that, coupled with being in the most thankless job on the internet.
      [–]knosofpacman 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
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      That is horrific, and definitely something that Reddit should do something about. I can't believe they are allowing that.
      [–]erovertonLove, Blacktually 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
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      Oh hell, that's terrible. It's because you're women and they think to try to scare/traumatize you with horrible things. The shit they pull with me in /r/Blackpower is mild compared to that, and I think it's because everyone assumes I'm a dude. They think women are easy targets. It's disgusting. These people are the type to grow up to be rapists and wife abusers.
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      That is horrible.
      There are already bots that automatically remove comments with links to certain sites. What about creating a bot that removes any posts with links from posters who fail to meet some type of criteria? It could be based on their karma in this sub, or subscribers only, or the user has to be on a list of approved posters. Once that poster is marked "safe," then they can submit links without moderation.
      [–]BlankVerse 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
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      Maybe a week of forwarding each and every offensive pic to the admins would sensitize them to the problems you are experiencing.
      The other thing is that the reddit admins seem to act only after there is some publicity over something offensive on reddit. So maybe it's time to teach out to some of the reporters and bloggers who have reported on problems within reddit in the past.
      [–]doonuter 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
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      would that sweep up anyone who may have been foolish enough to argue with them on their sub?
      [–]yellowmix Robot Wranglernon-black mix of yellow 22 points23 points24 points  (7 children)
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      We already employ unofficial, third-party bots of all manners. Saferbot is a customized Automoderator with a different regex library, has the ability to ban, among other things. BrideOfAutobahn bans any user who participates in a specified reddit from another reddit. We are currently using this "nuclear option" on the most persistent white supremacist reddit, and they still come incessantly. This fully permissive model does not work for some spaces. I can guarantee you, whatever external solution exists or may exist, we have implemented it or considered it. We are asking for an official, internal solution.
      [–]murdahmamurdah 10 points11 points12 points  (6 children)
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      could you pm me any more info about the bride of autobahn and saferbot? we ban a LOT of people and those seem like they'd cover the majority of reasons why.
      granted, the racists could probably abuse the report function and end up making even more work for an already strained moderation team. do you have any requirements for comment karma on your sub? maybe an individual needs to earn x amount here before being able to submit? (thats assuming that comments arent the bulk of the issue.
      We are asking for an official, internal solution.
      ive always had the mindset of building a new society in the shell of the old on reddit. admins have let incredibly awful things occur all over this site which would be easily counterable so i dont really see them changing things up any time soon in an official capacity. fight the fight tho, you got my support.
      [–]yellowmix Robot Wranglernon-black mix of yellow 5 points6 points7 points  (5 children)
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      Karma requirements aren't reliable with these folks. The extremely lazy ones, sure. But they have their own community and the defaults in which to gain karma, it's trivial to gain minimums, and if we raise it, it penalizes people coming in good faith.
      /r/theoryofreddit has covered a lot of this ground (I recall some users saying the system is completely broken), and something has to change. Like I said, we've considered everything possible with the current situation.
      I forked Saferbot from Automoderator a while ago, I plan on bringing it up to its current incarnation and post it up on GitHub, but you can probably tell I've been very busy trying to maintain some semblance of society here.
      [–]erovertonLove, Blacktually 8 points9 points10 points  (3 children)
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      Didn't they start a campaign of gilding each other, too? Now their subs are money-makers for the site.
      I really get flabbergasted every time I see how much effort they put into this. Time, money, energy, they design art for their subs, they organize bridages, they spend a ton of time seeking content or writing moronic manifestos, they scour our content all day looking for things to discuss... it's like damn, is this your job or something? Who puts all of that effort into just bothering other people? The life of a troll is a fascinating study. Someone should write a research paper. CALLING ALL SOCIOLOGY AND PSYCH MAJORS...
      [–]yellowmix Robot Wranglernon-black mix of yellow 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
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      Oh, yes. They create racist "copypasta" form letters about black people to post across reddit and organize to promote them. The gilding in default reddits is relatively well-known. Here's a relatively recent post on it.
      There is extant literature on trolling and the canonical paper to cite is Herring's Searching For Safety Online: Managing "Trolling" In a Feminist Forum. If you do a literature search on this paper, it'll turn up more.
      [–]erovertonLove, Blacktually 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
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      Nice! Yellowmix with the research and info! I like it.
      [–]yellowmix Robot Wranglernon-black mix of yellow 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
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      Would a presentation and discussion of this (and other relevant papers) be useful to mods of POC and marginalized people communities? Sort of like a journal club?
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      and if we raise it, it penalizes people coming in good faith.
      I think the subs that are getting brigaded can use more mods (and automod), like it is at /r/askscience or /r/askhistorians with over 30 mods. It doesn't take a few minutes for comments that don't meet certain criteria (karma, comment/sub activity) to be approved. Secondly, and more importantly, I think you should consider a verification system like those used in /r/askhistorians, /r/ProtectAndServe and /r/askscience to know who is commenting 'officially' as a black lady or not.
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      I agree with rolling out /u/automoderator plus implementing /r/AskHistorians style of moderating. It's a high quality sub that has over 300k subscribers, and we all know revisionism is a pastime for these racists. Their solution alongside automod bot was to have lots of human mods, a system of 'flaired' or approved quality contributors, and some set karma/comment requirement... otherwise your comments have to be manually approved. Let's say you need to have 500 karma and an account older than 3 months, the amount of energy required for trolling will increase exponentially. If you don't meet these requirements, then you have to demonstrate you are going to be a quality contributor for your comments to be posted automatically.
      [–]hermithome 12 points13 points14 points  (1 child)
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      AskHistorians doesn't have huge brigades of people posting death gore though.
      The mods here already use multiple bots that they've heavily customised.
      Let's say you need to have 500 karma and an account older than 3 months, the amount of energy required for trolling will increase exponentially.
      Right, but that mostly catches throwaways and stuff. These people have their own subreddits and defaults to gain karma. And if you raise karma requirements that high you're mostly going to punish legitimate posters.
      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
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      And if you raise karma requirements that high you're mostly going to punish legitimate posters.
      That's why they have tons of mods (to approve/remove comments caught in the filter), and a verified flair system to differentiate a random poster from a quality contributor. Unless the admins intervene, I don't see how legitimate users aren't being punished already.
      [–]Eternally65 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
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      Late to the party, but my understanding is that /r/AskHistorians turned down default status because they think they need one moderator for every 10,000 subscribers they have. And even then, they have to adopt a truly ferocious policy of nuking comments. Look at any question that even tangentially touches on a controversial topic: they are comment graveyards.
      It does seem to work, though. The comments are generally very good. I am too terrified to post there, myself, but love lurking.
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        [–]yellowmixnon-black mix of yellow[Moderator - speaking officially.] 36 points37 points38 points  (16 children)
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        This letter is from the moderator perspective. We are inviting our community members, as well as all members from other communities affected by this general problem to share their experiences on reddit, and what can be done about it.
        There are many possible solutions and approaches, and it is you, the community members, who ultimately shape it.
        [–]montereyo 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
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        Is it possible to make this community members-only?
        [–]spinnetrouble 16 points17 points18 points  (1 child)
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        Like a private sub, in which posts are only visible to other members, and users wanting access must submit a request? That can definitely be done.
        On the one hand, it would cut down on a lot of the racism and bullshit. It would protect everyone here, particularly the mods, from hating those unknown dipshits just a little bit more with every new troll post.
        On the other, it puts the sub into hiding. The idea of making an entire subreddit vanish when it has every right to be here — and more than that, one that's a valuable community which encourages exchanges of information and opinion to the benefit of everyone in it — makes me really angry. It's like having someone yell at you on the street, "Hey, nobody wants to see that! Go be black/a woman/informed/open to other people's ideas somewhere else!" and then actually walking away and being black/female/informed/open somewhere else because that's what someone else wanted. Totally not how I see anyone in this sub allowing themselves to be treated, even if I do understand the benefit to becoming private.
        [–]montereyo 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
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        Full disclosure: I am a white lady and I come here to lurk and learn. I don't think I've ever posted and to be honest I probably would not have joined if it were members-only - I wouldn't feel like I had the right. But this is about what Black ladies need, not what I need.
        Either way, I hope we can find a workable solution.
        [–]hermithome 2 points3 points4 points  (8 children)
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        Have you ever considered using a bot to remove anything not by an approved submitter? It would be hellish to set-up, but it's the only thing I can think of without reddit doing something.
        [–]lemonylipsthe whiteness is strong with this one 16 points17 points18 points  (1 child)
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        In /r/askwomen we have a bot that removes threads posted by accounts less than 1 day old and send us a modmail notification so we can approve, redirect, ignore, or what have you. I'm not sure exactly how it was set up, but I wonder if something similar could be implemented for comments from throwaways and baby accounts- it would probably put a dent in all the spammy racist shit.
        [–]hermithome 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
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        They already do that. And a lot more. That's not where the bulk of the current issues come from.
        [–]yellowmix Robot Wranglernon-black mix of yellow 5 points6 points7 points  (5 children)
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        Yes, though it's a complete perversion of reddit's fully permissible model so I'm not sure if admins would request that we undo it, like they requested the change to the NP style regarding reports. I wouldn't want to make such a major change and give the community hope only to have it undone. Any major changes to the reddit model itself needs an official blessing.
        They're not entirely happy with the banbot but we haven't turned it on to any of the defaults yet. =D
        [–]hermithome 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
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        Good point.
        requested the change to the NP style regarding reports
        I don't remember this....
        They're not entirely happy with the banbot but we haven't turned it on to any of the defaults yet. =D
        Yeah, I know. They've SBed mods before for banning too many people before. Though, technically it was a ban because they spammed ban messages. So now that there are no ban messages for people who haven't participated in the community, pre-emptive banning might raise fewer flags.
        [–]yellowmix Robot Wranglernon-black mix of yellow 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
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        [–]hermithome 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
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        Wow. I somehow totally missed that. Which, given my work on expanding NP is pretty terrible. I've left a comment asking for clarification. Thanks for the link, I totally missed that.
        [–]yellowmix Robot Wranglernon-black mix of yellow 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
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        It's kind of amazing how much time a mod has to put into catching up with these goings-on just to be marginally effective. Don't ever use one of those timekeeping things to keep track of it, you'll only cry.
        [–]looseleafliesoflow 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
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        Could you make the sub restricted?
        [–]yellowmix Robot Wranglernon-black mix of yellow 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
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        Thanks for the suggestion, but restricted allows only approved submitters to post. Everyone can comment and vote. So this doesn't really solve the issues.
        If it already exists, it's generally safe to assume we've tried it or isn't suitable for one reason or another. We're looking for new approaches in the reddit model/framework.
        [–]looseleafliesoflow 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
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        Thanks for clarifying; I thought that restricted didn't allow everyone to comment and vote. Would it be possible to use a plethora of bots to help moderate?
        [–]TheYellowRose[Moderator - speaking officially.] 29 points30 points31 points  (32 children)
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        I'd like to announce that /u/dualpollux has been shadowbanned. Super convenient timing.
        [–]DualPollux BLACK ZOMBIE JESUS 24 points25 points26 points  (16 children)
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        Yeah aint that just convenient as fuck?
        People are saying I doxxed someone which of course didnt happen.
        Since its usually YOU who targets me for shit I'd love some answers.
        This is not a good look admins!
        [–]totes_meta_bot 4 points5 points6 points  (5 children)
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        [–]DualPollux BLACK ZOMBIE JESUS 9 points10 points11 points  (4 children)
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        Hahaha too bad its not doxxing. Look at them struggle.
        [–]happydreamss 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
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        Why were you shadowbanned?
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        The barely coded response I got was "You're too uppity".
        Check my user history for a screenshot.
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          [–]TheYellowRose I woke up like this 3 points4 points5 points  (9 children)
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          [–]DualPollux BLACK ZOMBIE JESUS 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
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          Thank you. This is SUCH bullshit
          [–]TheYellowRose I woke up like this 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
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          I responded to her latest comment again. Do you have a new account yet
          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
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          Boop, deleted. Silly blacks, and your concerns LOL.
          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
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          There's nothing there. Are they simply deleting any attempt at engaging them now?
          [–]ponyproblematic 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
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          "i'll just delete all your comments about your valid concern rather than discussing it! but yeah DAE hate the blackladies mods for wanting to be able to filter out hate speech?"
          [–]TheYellowRose I woke up like this -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
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          Apparently.
          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
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          We have to keep track of what's really important /s
          [–]TheYellowRose I woke up like this -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
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          Fucking ridiculous
          [–]Eternally65 8 points9 points10 points  (10 children)
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          Why is there a reply from /u/DualPollux to this comment if the account was already shadowbanned? I'm puzzled.
          [–]DualPollux BLACK ZOMBIE JESUS 18 points19 points20 points  (7 children)
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          I can comment but another moderator has to approve it for me.
          [–]Eternally65 5 points6 points7 points  (6 children)
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          This whole banning and shadowbanning thing is very confusing, I have to say. But I appreciate the explanation. Maybe I'll understand the rules eventually. <sigh>
          [–]DualPollux BLACK ZOMBIE JESUS 16 points17 points18 points  (5 children)
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          I'm confused right along with you. I've searched my history, my PMs , my submissions, my [mostly empty/unused alt accounts as I am a cool name hoarder] alts...nothing.
          Absolutely NOTHING that would warrant a shadowban. Thats why this shit smells nothing like roses.
          [–]doryfishie 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
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          I'm very confused. I also had no idea what a shadowban was before this. Met so many awesome people on Reddit but it really seems like the admins don't want diversity.
          [–]TheYellowRose I woke up like this -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
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          Hi dory!
          [–]doryfishie 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
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          Hihi! :)
          [–]slyder565 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
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          You don't know me but I am a fan. Keep on keepin' on.
          [–]reaganveg 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
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          My understanding is that shadowbans can result (automatically) from software-detected "brigading" or from voting with multiple accounts.
          [–]TheYellowRose I woke up like this 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
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          Mods can manually approve comments from shadowbanned users
          [–]Eternally65 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
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          Ah! Now I understand. Thank you.
          [–]totes_meta_bot 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
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          [–]IrbyTremor[Moderator - speaking officially.] 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
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          Because I upset da raycists, SRD. That's why.
          It's right there in the screenshot. Po' widdle racists. At least the admins have basically admitted to being on your side!
          [–]catofnortherndarknes 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
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          What. In. The. Royal. Fuck.
          [–]IrbyTremor[Moderator - speaking officially.] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
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          That's what I said. lol
          [–]SRS-SRSLY 16 points17 points18 points  (4 children)
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          I have made little banner things on /r/women and /r/me_irl. me_irl isn't ostensibly a sub which deals with issues of race or gender, but there's no reason that only subs which do should stand in solidarity with this campaign.
          [–]Gaztastic 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
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          I'm another mod of /r/women and I'm really happy we can support /r/blackladies You are a fantastic sub with a great, incredibly hard working mod team and you deserve so much more support from the admins.
          [–]DualPollux BLACK ZOMBIE JESUS 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
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          I saw that! It was super cute!
          [–]ellouelle 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
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          and that's why me_irl is the best!
          [–]SRS-SRSLY 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
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          The only good subTM !
          [–]TheJessaChannel 18 points19 points20 points  (2 children)
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          I am a moderator of /r/blackgirlgamers and I offer my complete support. Game on, good women.
          [–]stufstuf 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
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          /r/blackgirlgamers standing with you!
          [–]jmarquiso 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
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          /r/pocgaming and y'all should get together.
          [–]the_superfantastic 21 points22 points23 points  (1 child)
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          Thanks for posting this!
          It sucks that you guys have to push the brunt of this, because it's really a Reddit/CN BUSINESS issue. Of course they won't do anything until it isn't profitable for them to idle on it anymore. I know it's difficult to put a system in place to enforce this on the internet, but there's got to be accountability somewhere when people say obviously hateful shit that violates human decency.
          Freedom of speech =/= freedom from consequences. I think that's the crux of it.
          I don't know how much more you ladies can do short of adding more specific bots and/or going private. I hope it doesn't go private though - shouldn't have to. Our voices matter and we are part of the social fabric here - definitely not going to get drowned out by hateful ignorance!
          [–]OutdoorVoice 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
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          Right - the only question is whether Reddit wants a diverse community that can freely and anonymously share information (the dream of the internet age, basically), or if they want Reddit to be just another vehicle for the race/gender/class hierarchies that Redditors claim to hate.
          If they want the former, they have to stop using free speech as a cop-out. There are responsibilities that come with creating a community, IRL or online.
          If they want the latter, well, we can all get that IRL, so Reddit becomes sort of useless for anyone with a shred of human decency. I guess they can be 4chan:Pro and pander to investors who only want the white adolescent male demographic. Oh, the wasted potential, though.
          Honestly, if they really wanted the former, they'd have already done it. Maybe it's time to jump ship and let Reddit regress.
          [–]Compy9990 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)
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          If the Admins do nothing why not have more Moderators?
          [–]benjancewiczUndercover Brother 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
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          I second this, and it needs to be upvoted higher. The best solution is to have a more aggressive Moderator program where you recruit, train, and deploy mods.
          Neighborhood Watch for Reddit, basically.
          [–]petitoignonTrans Racial Adoptee 24 points25 points26 points  (0 children)
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          Thank you for all that you do, mods!
          [–]totes_meta_bot 29 points30 points31 points  (1 child)
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          [–]FistofanAngryGoddessturkeyneck ratchet hoodcat 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
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          *_* Look at all those shares!
          [–]FewRevelations 19 points20 points21 points  (7 children)
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          Allowing the behavior to go on is a form of encouragement. Please change your policies, Reddit! They have 4chan for that shit.
          [–]PopePaulFarmer 5 points6 points7 points  (6 children)
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          The admins are libertarian technoutopians who won't give half a shit about any of these issues. spez and kn0thing came out of the ycombinator VC school. You can see this in the design ethos of reddit and how similar/borrowed it is from [H]acker News.
          These are people that believe the only way to improve social conditions is with technology. And the only way to do that is to ensure that every Dick and Charlie is granted his full plate of civil liberties which will, of course, fashion a fully equal and egalitarian society out of nothing.
          I really can't see them caring. I would love it if they did but I see 4chan instituting mods before reddit taking any stance on 'free speech' that isn't childishly idealistic.
          [–]FewRevelations 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
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          4chan has mods.
          [–]PopePaulFarmer 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
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          I thought they only had admins banning child porn.
          But hey, fuck me if it's been a decade since I've last been on 4chan.
          [–]FewRevelations 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
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          They also enforce things like all posts on /tv/ being about tv
          [–]PopePaulFarmer 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
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          I completely retract my statement about 4chan. Still, I don't see reddit responding to this. It's a good effort, nonetheless.
          [–]FewRevelations 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
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          Agreed.
          [–]Wrecksomething 11 points12 points13 points  (2 children)
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          If moderators could choose to "only allow Approved Submitters to participate" it might fit this function.
          Public subs with whitelisted users sounds great. They'd be a lot easier to "grow" than private subs too because users could find them, see if they're a good fit.
          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
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          Whitelisting (and blacklisting) is a good idea.
          [–]koronicus 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
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          It wouldn't do anything to address reddit's larger image as a safe harbor for racists, but I'd be very happy to see this implemented.
          [–]yellowmixnon-black mix of yellow[Moderator - speaking officially.] 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
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          The overwhelmingly positive support this community has received from all of you across so many different communities is truly heartening, and we thank you.
          We attempted to perform our due diligence in ensuring there is reddit-wide interest before contacting the reddit team (admins), and got back so much more. The sheer number of ideas and approaches suggested makes us well-prepared for the next stage.
          We have invited the reddit team to join the discussion here via their official contact method, a mod mail to /r/reddit.com. The message is as follows
          Dear reddit team:
          We have posted a letter to the community regarding reddit. The letter has been co-signed by 49 (and growing) reddit communities that run the breadth of race, sex, gender, gender orientation, gender identity, religion, ethics, sociopolitics, and simply being a community on your platform.
          We are extending an invitation to you to join the conversation, which has already elicited many communities’ members’ concerns and their ideas to address them. We are asking you to commit to actively working together with us and other targeted communities toward solutions that empower us to build spaces that are truly our own.
          Thank you,
          /r/blackladies moderation team
          [–]stephens2424 17 points18 points19 points  (8 children)
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          I'm a white gay man; I was a women's studies major in college; I understand the need for some kind of action. I also happen to be a software engineer and would be more than happy to volunteer time on software to help ameliorate this problem.
          My foremost question is about what an adequate solution may look like. I hope we can find a way to enable these communities to thrive without attack, but not at the sacrifice of things like anonymity, which are really important to some critical intersections (e.g. stealth trans people and activists who need to protect their identity).
          Other people have talked about the pros and cons of a private subreddit, but what if there was a mode for read-only for non-approved members? ie only approved people can submit, vote, or comment. While I think that would be good that subreddits could be both widely available but insulated from vitriol, I would wonder what a prospective-member review process would look like? And I wonder how much that would actually reduce vitriol? Would simply making getting involved a little harder, like with a waiting period for approved accounts, make the difference needed?
          Another idea might be to use an automated, or semi-automated heuristic to filter activity. I'm not super familiar with what APIs reddit offers, but I could imagine a bot that helps moderators zero in on nasty posts faster by looking for keywords, known bad IPs, and other similar types of signals.
          My last comment is that reddit is an open source project. If push comes to shove and people like reddit, but want to slightly change it in ways the admins don't want to, that's something we can do. We just have to do it, and then run the code on our own servers. That's time and money and forking code has some inherent risks. I can give a little, but people will have to rally around this idea to make it work.
          I'm here to help however I can!
          [–]stephens2424 3 points4 points5 points  (6 children)
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          My boyfriend just alerted me to this for twitter: http://www.theblockbot.com/. Something we do could potentially look like this?
          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
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          I would also like to offer my programming services.
          I think there could be a pretty easy solution, based on what other online communities do: your first couple comments automatically go into a moderation queue, and have to be manually approved. If all your comments are approved, you become an approved poster. As long as you have reasonably active mods, your posts get approved within a few hours.
          I believe reddit already has something similar in place for starting new topics. It would simply need to be extended to new comments.
          [–]Karissa36 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
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          That sounds like a good idea as long as the Moderators have the option not to use it for their subreddit. It would destroy us over at /r/legaladvice. Practically every poster is a new throwaway account, and we certainly don't expect (or want) people coming in to ask a legal question to comment on other people's legal questions.
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          Sure. I would expect it to be an optional setting by subreddit, or you could have an auto-approve bot.
          [–]koronicus -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
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          It sounds like one of bots the mods are using here does something very similar (though I think it's not a shared list between subs?), but they have have the same technological limitation of being reactionary rather than preventive. It's pretty darn easy to register for a new reddit account.
          [–]Karissa36 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
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          Perhaps reddit could limit IP addresses to only registering for a new account every 3 or 4 months.
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          Finding ways to change your IP address is pretty trivial, so they'd have to rely on some other kind of tracking algorithm. (Though they probably already have code that tries to track concealed alts.)
          [–]costheta 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
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          Other people have talked about the pros and cons of a private subreddit, but what if there was a mode for read-only for non-approved members? ie only approved people can submit, vote, or comment.
          I think that regardless of what /r/blackladies does, reddit needs to offer this as an option for subs. There also needs to be an option of "no submissions/comments by unapproved users are posted until they are manually approved by a mod". There just aren't enough options for how 'open' a sub is on reddit.
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            [–]roygbivalent 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)
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            Honestly and in my humble opinion I feel this bullshit will fade out in our grandkids generation.
            More likely is that 20 and 30 somethings will just pass their racism down to the next generation, like their parents and grandparents did. White people who don't consider themselves racist or racially insensitive will continue to benefit from white privilege and feel persecuted when people of color point it out. White liberals will feel like it's simply enough to point out privilege and not actually attempt to dismantle it. Non-Black people will still continue to exploit anti-Blackness in an effort to get closer to whiteness.
            [–]ArsenicAndRoses"White" Girl 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
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            Is there anything we as users can do to help?
            [–]Pictureit_Sicily 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
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            I can something positive has come out of this. I've found some wonderful subs to subscribe to. I love this community even though I'm a lurker and I hope we can remove the racists.
            [–]0hn035 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
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            Mod of /r/birthcontrol & /r/babyexchange here to show my support.
            [–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
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            I forgot it was Monday so I x-posted this to /r/ABCDesis a little late.
            [–]CrackHeadRodeoKenyan-American 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
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            if you can get folks to start religiously reporting comments, with automod set to remove comments/posts with any reports, you've effectively turned your entire userbase into a mod team.
            Count me in.
            [–]redshrekblack dude/ally 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
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            Cross posted to /r/classywomenofcolor
            [–]rraaarr 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
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            /r/ladybusiness supports you!
            [–]midwestprotestno rest in the midwest 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
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            This is necessary, if only to give ourselves a voice. The sad part is, reddit doesn't want to hear it.
            [–]dbzer0 14 points15 points16 points  (1 child)
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            Props to you. Unfortunately reddit has not been keen on providing the tools required to moderate a community of this type, within the hostile environment of reddit at large.
            Back when /r/metanarchism was starting out, I had posted an idea for the admins that would address this issue in a way that would allow trusted members to participate without enabling voting bridages, but it was apparently ignored. Perhaps it can be revived and pushed towards the admins once more?
            [–]yellowmix Robot Wranglernon-black mix of yellow 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
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            That is a good solution to me, as it does not limit speech (anyone can simply create their own reddit, the official reddit way). From a technical perspective, it would impact the site no more than a restricted or private reddit already does. Individual communities could opt-in or not.
            [–]vactuna 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
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            As a feminist minority woman, I'm not surprised by anything these subs are dealing with, and it's exasperating to see my demographic targeted by hateful morons yet again... But I am glad this post led me to some amazing new subreddits!
            [–]like_a_bosmerWannabe Redguard Warrior 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
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            Mods, thanks for all your hard work to make this space as safe as possible for us!
            [–]CrimsonAmaryllis 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
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            This is sad. I didn't know this was going on at all. Is there anything we can do to help?
            [–]missile414 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
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            I'd just like to say I really appreciate all your effort. This is such a gem of a sub in comparison to the majority of reddit.
            [–]daiko7 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
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            /r/Biracial is checking in. I don't have any solutions, but I'm more than happy to help in any way I can.
            [–]cometparty 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
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            Moderator of /r/socialism here. As you can imagine, we have pretty bad troll problems. I recommend doing what we do; set up /u/AutoModerator to automatically remove all posts/comments from accounts that are brand new. That was the only thing that got our troll problem under control. The amount of control it gives you over your own space is amazing.
            [–]koronicus 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
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            We do this on one of the subs I mod. It doesn't catch everything because people can still reuse throwaways that they created previously or just sit on the account for a few days before trolling. Adding in a total karma factor also helps but still isn't perfect because there are predictable ways to get quick karma.
            These can be helpful but still leave two problems: 1) trolls can still maliciously downvote everything in sight, and 2) reddit's image as a safe harbor for racism remains unchanged if the admins take no action.
            [–]Apfeltorte 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
            We would like to sign as well: /r/Naturalhair stands with r/blackladies.
            [–]pro_creator actually Jake from State Farm[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
            Adding you guys now :)
            [–]lotusQQuiet not Submissive 7 points8 points9 points  (3 children)
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            remembers /r/blackgirls
            cringes
            Yep.
            [–]wisesonACcounting down the days until the black panther movie!! 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
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            As a moderator of /r/AfricanAmerican I cosign 100 percent! This seriously just made my night
            [–]Miss_Shambles 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
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            Just wanted to say that, while I'm not a sub of /r/blackladies, it saddens me greatly to hear about the current problems you all are going through. There is no excuse of hatred and bigotry in this world, and I wanted you know that for every terrible person attacking you, there's a reddiot like me who supports you fully in your efforts. <3 you all.
            [–]metrofeed 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
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            I just want to give this sub my love and support. Fuck all racists and much love to y'all.
            [–]ChildTherapist 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
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            Where's TwoX? I thought they'd be right on top of this.
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              [–]Sylocat 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
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              Admin of /r/GeekFeminists here to sign as well.
              [–]fly-on-wall 7 points8 points9 points  (4 children)
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              I've noticed this problem in all of the subs, and I don't think anything can be done about it short of going private. Reddit is a majority rule website, and even online, a sub centered around black experiences is likely to get shouted down by racists. It's an unfortunate reality, and it's evidence that racism takes on new, sometimes strange dimensions in online communities.
              Reddit, overall, is not a community that cares about eradicating racism. We have a number of subs that thrive on open discussion of racist attitudes. Unless things get really crazy and the media take notice, like what happened with creepshots a few years back, Reddit won't change. And we all know the media won't be running any outraged stories about racists on Reddit.
              That said, I understand the value of a sub like this, and I was pleasantly surprised to stumble upon this community after giving up in the war of attrition that is trying to survive as a person of color in most other subs. This is an important community, and though I'm mostly a lurker, I strongly believe in the power of this sub to be a positive space for POC on Reddit.
              I guess what I'm saying is I can't tell you how to fix the problem, but if there is anything I can do as a user to help keep this place strong, please let me know.
              [–]thisisarecountry 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
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              This is reddit. When i think of reddit I think of affluent, entitled, white, misogynistic racists. I honestly don't even know why I continue to come here. It's good to see y'all working to clean this mess up a bit.
              Isn't reddit host to a bulk of the MRM hate group too? This place reminds me of stormfront.
              [–]atlasing 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
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              Fuck yeah. Solidarity, even if it doesn't mean much in the scheme of things.
              [–]BrokeBrokerMDK 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
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              I support you all; while I am not a woman of color I really appreciate this subreddit and everything it stands for. It's pitiful to see what ignorant weak-minded people will do. Please Know you have a lot of support.
              [–]AngryLawStudent 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
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              In r/Detroit it's more subtle... Sometimes.
              [–]DadPhD 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
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              Harassing people with hate speech is just straight up illegal. You'd think the admins would want to do something to prevent it before the law ends up getting involved.
              [–]erovertonLove, Blacktually 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
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              lol they're trying. It's hard out there for a racist. People always trying to suggest they should be less racist, or at least stop bothering other people with their racism. It's so SAD, the world we're living in today when a racist can't come into other people's spaces to harass them without someone having something negative to say about it. I feel for them, I do.
              [–]Trichostema 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
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              Thank you Mods, for addressing this. You all do a fantastic job weeding out hate, I hope the powers that be here at reddit listen and realize this is not only a problem in sub-forums, but a chance to improve all of reddit.
              [–]roctaviaalice 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
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              I love that this post exists. It gives me hope.
              [–]wolfkinnot hating just appreciating 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
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              props to that.
              [–]All-the-post-leftist 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
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              Add the moderators of /r/Postleftanarchism
              Thank you for doing this.
              [–]BlackCloud9 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
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              Was directed here by my frequenting of /r/communism
              We are for the unity of all people! I wish you the best of luck and our mods have cosigned!
              [–]captainlavender 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
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              Isn't it an option to set it so only subscribers can downvote? I feel like I've seen that.
              [–]TheYellowRose I woke up like this 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
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              Yeah that exists, but subscribing and unsubscribing are not big enough obstacles for our trolls
              [–]jmarquiso 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
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              Cosigned by the mods of /r/pocgaming!
              [–]campkev 6 points7 points8 points  (26 children)
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              So, what exactly do you want? I'm not being sarcastic, I really just don't understand. Some sort of semi-private status where anyone can see it, but only approved members can up/down vote or submit posts?
              [–]hermithome 24 points25 points26 points  (17 children)
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              There are lots of things the admins could do. They recently rolled out an upvote only mode for contests. If your sub has a lot of contests, you can ask to be a part of the trial upvote only program so that your contest threads have no downvoting. But the admins have refused to let subs use this for anything outside of contests.
              The admins could also do something where you have to be an approved submitter in order to vote. That way, the community could be open and outsiders could comment. They could restrict voting to people who have subscribed longer than X days. They could implement a hate speech filter. They could ban the worst communities and stop them from organising on reddit. Or, at the very least implement stronger anti-brigade rules. They could make it so that if you've participated in a racist community, you cannot comment or vote in any community that was antiracist.
              And they could do a million other things. This is a website, and while yes, it's not a snap of the fingers to roll out new features, it's not impossible. They could do so many things. But they've showed no interest.
              Reddit allows hate groups to congregate on reddit. And the least they could do is take some responsibility and work with the communities that don't want to be infected by that.
              [–]campkev 1 point2 points3 points  (9 children)
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              Looks like the upvote only was enabled
              [–]ihavenodink 3 points4 points5 points  (5 children)
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              I second the up vote only solution. Then again, I'm not aware of what possible negative consequences there might be to this. It just seems to me that it would at least make legitimate posters feel that they are being positively acknowledged for their contributions to the sub. Its just so fucking sad to think that posts are getting down voted and causing people to feel that their participation isn't appreciated.
              [–]hermithome 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
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              It's not my favourite idea, but it's one that already exists.
              But there are lots of tweaks that could be good. Upvoting only accessible to the outside community, in order to downvote you need to be a subscriber longer than X weeks, an approved submitter, whatnot.
              [–]koronicus 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
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              in order to downvote you need to be a subscriber longer than X weeks
              I don't think this would actually be effective, though. It'd be pretty easy to make an alt that never comments anywhere (so nobody knew it existed but the admins) just for the purpose of voting. It'd delay the vote brigading, but not much else. It could also inconvenience legitimate subscribers.
              [–]lovelyone20 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
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              Nah, I don't like the up vote only solution.
              [–]yellowmix Robot Wranglernon-black mix of yellow 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
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              We are open to any solutions, as it is up to the admins to approve and implement them, and there are sociopolitical and technical reasons to address. Your suggestion is certainly one solution, and we welcome the admins' input on its feasibility.
              [–]durtysox 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
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              Help. They want help. Suggestions. They're asking for suggestions. Support. They could use support.
              Question is, what do you want to offer?
              [–]campkev 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
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              Well, I'm not affiliated with reddit, but I am a web developer, so I can offer some technical expertise. I can tell you that sometimes, things that seem simple to layman really aren't. Other times, things that should be simple aren't for reasons beyond the control of the developers. Anywhere from management decisions to not implement certain features to technical limitations of back-end software.
              Without having access to the code or insider knowledge, I have no idea which of these reasons is behind the failure to make the changes you desire.
              Other than that, I don't know what else I can offer. I'm open to suggestions.
              [–]TextofReasonOld beige mixed lady 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
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              Society has a racism problem, and virtually all high traffic, readily accessible online venues have an unsupervised Tween/Teen computer time problem.
              Thus /r/blackladies gets a one-two punch.
              Though far from ideal, the most immediate impact reduction measure that comes to my mind is "Deputy Mods."
              A disadvantage is that it would involve putting yet another task on the full plates of the existing mods, namely going through the "oldest" subscribers to the subreddit, and asking those still active if they would be willing to help poop scoop the place.
              To counter cries of censorship, my radical idea is to create a "blackladies_tabled," or "blackladies_visitor_voices" or something. This would serve as waste collection facility, which would not be publicized. If possible, those whose posts were deposited into the facility would receive an auto-message, advising them that while the contribution may not be a good fit with the immediate needs of this particular small subreddit, they can view their comment in the Visitor Voices section, which is much more prestigious because it is especially for them.
              Because it would not be linked to in the sidebars of any of the fine Xtfam subreddits who have cosigned this call to action, or promoted in any other way, and as the "problem users" tend not to be the crispiest fries in the bag, with a little luck at least some of the excrement might gradually be funneled into the slop bucket their own special prestige area - by their ownselves!
              Now some supernatural force needs to stop me or I will type all night.
              You'll get old one day, and have to take pills, and then you'll see.
              [–]aznsniperx3 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
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              It's really sad that we still live in a society where stereotypes and racism is still active in. I find it incredibly offensive when i meet people who tell me to go back to my Country, and I was born and raised in America my entire life.
              [–]demmian 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
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              We need a proactive solution for this threat to our well-being. We have researched and understand reddit’s various concerns about disabling downvotes and restricting speech. Therefore, we ask for a solution in which communities can choose their own members, and hostile outsiders cannot participate to cause harm.
              /r/Feminism co-signs this proposal. It has been brought to admin attention by mods for years now (the so-called transparent setting), but there is no sign of this receiving any attention.
              [–]worldnewsconservativ 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
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              here's what i don't get from the turds in charge of this site- they want the sweet ad dollars, but they also know that their laissez-faire attitude towards stormfront style posting will result in no major ad dollars coming their way (can you imagine a l'oreal ad sub here with just hundreds of sexist posts per day?). So instead of doing something about it, they have to resort to short term gimmicks like asking people to buy reddit gold and selling tacky gifts on an affiliate site. For all the bluster about free enterprise they seem to be fucking up at it spectacularly
              [–]stonemirror 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
              This is a Noble Effort, and I support it, but I'm convinced that Reddit should probably just die the horrible death it deserves at this point. Clearly, the folks "running" it don't care about any of this.
              They banned "TheFappening" when it started getting enough bad press, but not before they'd cashed in. Reddit has become a place to avoid for me, for the most part, little better than #DIGITchan in most ways, and worse in some.
              [–]superphotonerd 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
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              I hate this, nothing upsets me more than racism...
              Thank you for providing a great list of subreddits where I can talk and associate with others about black culture. Racism is vile, disgusting and just downright fucking disrespectful. But you know what? Black is beautiful, I love being black, I love that my mother is black, and I hope in the future my beautiful black children will make me and themselves proud.
              Black is history, culture, beauty and also the future. Racists can fuck themselves 2 times, jealousy is ugly people, if you want to be black, well tough you can't be, so shut the fuck up and accept people are different than you
              [–]17bfriendzonest 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
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              I completely agree that the ridiculous amount of hate speech on minority or social justice subs in unconscionable. I give you my full support and many hugs. Also many slaps to the asshole racists.
              But we were discussing this in another sub, and it's not clear that having a semi-private sub would do more harm than good wrt to said trolls. Unless the vetting is extremely time consuming, it's very possible for racists to jump through hoops and then spread hate speech. We see this currently, with IP bans or automods not working perfectly - there's people willing to code, and wait a few days, just to get a few lines of vile speech in.
              At the same time, I feel like the vetting process would discourage legitimate participation, and tend to create very unidimensional subs. It would prevent the use of legitimate throwaways by people in crisis. With self-selection, you end up with a community that's actually a sub-community of the intended community, all with the same opinions and political beliefs. One of the things I enjoy about this sub and a few POC/social justice ones is that I get to read things from people with a wide variety of opinions, and I feel like that wouldn't really happen in more closed subs.
              There's a fundamental tradeoff between an open and inclusive forum and protecting yourself from hateful people. Part of why reddit, including the POC subs, are meaningful places that attract a wide range of people, is because they are open forums and that the users are more or less anonymous. The womens' and POC forums choose to be on reddit, and on open subreddits, and not other less popular forums (or their own forum), because of the popularity of reddit allows them growth and visibility. A large membership and visibility are important goals for social justice causes.
              Obviously this is my opinion - but it is one that quite a few people share - I'd rather see a wide range of topics and opinions, from a wide range of people, and run into an occasional hate message, than to be in a very limited and controlled environment that's troll free. Which is why I think having an open sub with a sister private/controlled sub might be a better approach. The private sister sub can be a place to seek support in a safe space, whereas the open sub can sort of be the "public face," where you do outreach and you discuss controversial topics.
              While I agree that it's important to get the admins solidarity in preventing hate speech, rather than getting them to make a new type of sub, it might be more useful to get their cooperation in taking down the many, many hate subs out there. Part of the reason there is such a troll problem on women's and POC subs is because reddit doesn't really make much an effort to discourage the hate subs, sending a clear message that reddit is a place where white supremacists and other haters are welcomed. There's sort of a suggestion that civil rights and white supremacy are equivalent ideas on reddit. (It's kind of like haters come to read TRP and the white supremacist subs, and then stay to troll blackladies or twoX.)
              I know the reddit admins like to put forward the idea that hate speech is just talk or an opinion. But the reason it's scary is because it ISN'T just talk - there is a clear intent to do harm, and often that intent becomes reality. Wwhile racism or misogyny or homophobia aren't crimes, acting on them are crimes, and they are also hate crimes. Even planning it, which happens all the effing time, is a crime. So it's doable to put forward the idea that reddit admins want to keep reddit from a place where people are planning and doing criminal activities.
              EDIT: You are doing a lot with bots and stuff, and I am eternally grateful to whoever set those up. But perhaps they can be improved by looking at the enemy - there are strategies that various misogynistic or hate subs use to keep their subs full of hate. TRP and it's sister subs come to mind. (I won't lie, I'm an asshole and tried to troll TRP with non-misogyny and ran into all sorts of roadblocks.)
              [–]TheYellowRose I woke up like this 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
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              /r/SRSpoc is on board!
              [–]legalanarchist 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
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              As a straight white cis man who tries to be a good ally and someone who is also relatively new to reddit, please take this suggestion for what it is worth: If the admins don't see this as much of a priority, it might be time to go higher.
              The reddit user agreement states in its very first paragraph that "This agreement is meant to encourage a fair and tolerant place for ideas, people, links, and discussion." A prohibition on manipulating votes is one of the few "rules of reddit." There is a sizeable portion of very active redditors that hold extreme racist, sexist, homophobic views and are experts at vote manipulation. Cracking down on vote manipulation should be a priority for the admins. If it is not, this problem should be made a priority for reddit, Inc. The owner of reddit, Inc., Condé Nast, apparently prides itself on being socially responsible. This from their website: "Condé Nast combines the power of our brands, the passion of our people and our broad consumer reach to help support meaningful change in our community and the world." It is time that reddit, Inc. and Condé Nast live up to their words.
              In addition to sending your letter to Condé Nast, perhaps taking this issue to a non-Conde Nast publication for a story would get their attention. Perhaps such a story could explore questions like: Who are the admins, and how are they chosen? What is the make-up of the admins, i.e, how do they identify themselves and what communities and subs are they active in? Are there statistics on probable vote manipulation? If yes, let's see them. What kind of system does reddit have for identifying and dealing with vote manipulation? What kind of policies does reddit have to ensure fair and consistent enforcement of its rules? Let's see how it all works - transparency and details.
              Also, for what it's worth: props to all the moderators here and on all subs who are targets of this hate. Thank you for the difficult job that you do.
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              Hi, the moderation team of /r/atheismgonewild would like to declare support and co-sign this letter :)
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                [–]DualPollux[Moderator - speaking officially.] 20 points21 points22 points  (14 children)
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                Thanks for the support, I really mean it, but I'm really not comfortable with TERFs in here/linking said TERF sub in here. Comment removed.
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                  [–]DualPollux[Moderator - speaking officially.] 20 points21 points22 points  (4 children)
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                  TERF is not a misogynist slur the same way 'Nazi' is not a racist slur for a white person. And you've got nerve even talking about "Slurs" considering the topic and the race/gender of most people in here.
                  Seriously, don't make me do this. TERF is not and never will be a slur. Its a term for a bigot. Look at our sidebar-- we're not here for that shit. I mean it. If you're hurt imagine how our trans users feel.
                  [–]deadalusparkThis isn't hyperbole, it's reality verbally 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
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                  Thank you.
                  I know she was being polite and wasn't attempting to cause any trouble.
                  Still, thank you.
                  The inclusiveness of this sub is one of the reasons I love it.
                  [–]DonQuixoteReference 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
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                  claps with glee
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                    [–]DualPollux[Moderator - speaking officially.] 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
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                    Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist.
                    Someone who is extremely hateful/horribly to trans* people under the guise of Feminism. Mostly transmisogynists.
                    [–]missile414 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
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                    Another reason to love this sub! :D
                    [–]DoctorAtreides 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
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                    [–]ReedsAndSerpents 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
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                    Well, where's the mod sign up sheet?
                    I can kill five minutes of redditing a day banning fools left and right.
                    [–]TheRealMovement 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
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                    The moderators of /r/leftcommunism support this.
                    [–]schadkehnfreude 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
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                    Neither black or a lady so I can't even imagine what a shitfail it's like being online for y'alls. :( Suffice it to say that the racist trolls can pound sand.
                    I'm kinda ignorant as to how subreddits work and this wouldn't do much about throwaway accounts, but is there any way to pre-emptively prevent someone from commenting and/or downvoting POC communities if he is subbed to, for example, r/SupportDarrenWilson or something?
                    [–]Karissa36 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
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                    Therefore, we ask for a solution in which communities can choose their own members, and hostile outsiders cannot participate to cause harm.
                    How about a subreddit bot that automatically shadow bans comments that are reported a certain number of times? This way the mods could rely on the community to report and temporarily remove offensive content.
                    I would think that reddit could do this and make it an option for moderators of individual subreddits to choose to use or not, along with allowing moderators to determine how many reports would trigger an automatic shadow ban. The mods could then review and make decisions later about shadow banned comments, without having to constantly stay on top of every post and thread.
                    This won't directly affect down votes. However, if the trolls are shadow banned and getting no responses, it seems a lot more likely that they will abandon the subreddit.
                    [–]seanbennick -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
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                    White man here, just adding my support to the co-signers. Not a moderator, just a regular poster who is tired of hate taking over a site I enjoy.
                    [–]workthrowa 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
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                    Another poster posted this at r/xxketo. The responses were not pretty. On a women's diet subreddit nonetheless. It truly makes me ill how little compassion people have.
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