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Got sent 38btc instead of $38 usd worth of btc (self.Bitcoin)

vegeto079 が 投稿

Wish I could say I didn't contemplate keeping it. Can't say I'll see that much money "in my hands" ever, or in a long ass time.

Here's the transactions (went past midnight so it's the next day now), original tx, sent back tx.

I was using a site to get some stuff off Amazon in exchange for btc, and one item ($38 worth) wasn't working in my wish list. So I was going to confirm that I received the item after I received $38 as a refund, but got this instead.

No real point, just getting it off my chest. Be careful sending money out there, it's too easy to fumble numbers.

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[–]_gst_ [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

That's an Advance-Fee scam: The check is going to bounce and you'll lose the original money you got plus the money you sent. Unfortunately transaction authentication can take a few weeks, so never return any money before that time.

Oh - one moment. Forgot that this is Bitcoin here. You'll be fine then.

[–]Raelek [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As someone from /All you had me worried for him for a second..

[–]Ruzihm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Aha, you rascal. You almost got me there ;)

[–]CheerfulNeutron [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Did you keep your $38?

[–]Hakuna_Potato [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Stay classy vegeto

$5 /u/changetip

[–]changetip [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

vegeto079 received a tip for 11,249 bits ($5.00).

what is ChangeTip?

[–]xmantipper [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I thought changetip was out of business?

[–]optimator999 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What was the issue with changetip?

[–]xmantipper [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

They aquihired their dev team to AirBnB (there was an article in CoinDesk about it). The technology platform is still for sale, and one or two leftover devs maintain it, but my impression is that the company is basically dead.

If you have money in Changetip, you may want to withdraw it.

[–]GoldenVizions [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not sure where you're getting your information from, but they just released an app, and are still going strong. Nor are they stopping anytime soon.

[–]--__--____--__-- [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

I hope you asked first, some addresses can't receive properly

[–]vegeto079[S] [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

It was sent to a different address specified by him in the same place I told him my original one.

[–]--__--____--__-- [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Cool also wait 6 confirmations if you didn't next time

[–]rcxquake [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

He sent the same bitcoins he received. There is no need to wait for 6 confirmations - if somehow the 38 bitcoins sent to him are invalid, then the 38 sent back are also invalid anyway.

[–]--__--____--__-- [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Maybe his coinbase had more? But using the same inputs and not your own is safe but coinbase doesn't have that control

[–]cryptobaseline [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

he is using coinbase.

[–]--__--____--__-- [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You can still see it

[–]Devam13 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But Coinbase does not allow sending Bitcoins anyways until a tx has 6 confirmations. Unless OP already had more than 38 BTC before all this in his Coinbase wallet, he cannot send the money back until it is confirmed he received it.

[–]--__--____--__-- [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You saved his life good job

[–]SirValiantIII [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is too low. You literally saved a (wo)man from ruining their life. Good on you, OP. We need more humans like you.

[–]of_mendez [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

you are cool man, cooler than most

[–]ethloverredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

you sir are a good man. Karma will reward you eventually.

[–]oompaloempia [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

So, you definitely did the right thing morally, but depending on where you and the website are, it's also probably the only legal thing. In most places you're not allowed to keep an accidental money transfer, and while a Bitcoin transfer can't be automatically reversed obviously, 38 BTC is enough money that they will probably take you to court over it. To the people here saying they would have considered keeping it because they're in financial trouble: it's really not a good idea, and especially not if you can't afford a lawyer.

[–]DeathByFarts [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

and especially not if you can't afford a lawyer.

But .. if you keep the coin , you can !

[–]33virtues [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Imagine if he pasted a bad address in the original withdrawal request. Like somebody else's address or an address he lost key for. I wonder how that would play out.

[–]BitcoinSlayerredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Bitcoin doesn't give a fuck about lawyers lol.

[–]Calm_down_stupidredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Did he give you a reward for your honesty ?

[–]one_line_commenter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If you're being good and expecting a reward for it you're doing it wrong.

[–]Ethan819 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That must have taken some strong willpower, kudos to you for having it.

[–]seweso [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Sign a message with the receiving address or GTFO. Didn't we learn anything? ;)

[–]BarrioFinitoredditor for 2 months [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

WoW your the man! If i made a mistake like that and you solved it, like you did, id give you half...and that on my kids!

[–]drockjr [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

You'd give him half of your kids?

Andyou'd just hand him $8,000 just because he returned it?

I'm all up for returning the money, but a reward shouldn't be the endgame reason. It should just be because it is the right thing to do

[–]ours [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A spontaneous reward, why not? Half is quite a bit much in any case.

[–]slackwaresupport [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

better out 8k than 16k

[–]fronti1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

as a kid costs aprox 200 000$ until it is 18 years he make a good deal :)

(no, don't calculate this way! :) )

[–]yuikl [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

You'll see that much money in one of your accounts some day soon(ish), legitimately. It's hard not to spend sometimes, but I setup a special savings account called DO_NOT_TOUCH and autodraft into it every pay check. Debt-free and watching it grow!

[–]BitcoinSlayerredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

It will get increasingly impossible to own double figure BTC's as the price keeps going up. With 38 BTC, he was above the 1 million club (21 BTC or more).

[–]ElGuano [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Huh? Even at its peak 38 btc was maybe 45k. What am I missing here?

[–]nobbynobbynoob [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Astronomical future gains in bitcoin price, none of which are a given.

[–]davidmanheim [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He had 1/1,000,000 of the total bitcoin ever to be mined.

[–]moleccc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

it's too easy to fumble numbers units.

[–]harekrishnahareram [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wow, you sir, are amazing! It takes a heart of gold to do what you did. Did you chat with the owner and see if he/she understood what you did?

Just leave this here :)

http://imgur.com/4WZ0v9Z

Best post I've read today!

[–]chairwhack [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Faith in humanity restored indeed

[–]Calm_down_stupidredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

That would have been a real dilemma for me, fuck! At my heart I'm a decent guy and know the right thing to do would be send it back but money tight, real fucking tight and I would be so tempted I dunno what I would do.

Upvote for you and it not just reddit karma you stockpiling :)

[–]KellyMPD [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

So you're a scumbag if the price is right?

[–]apolotary [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'm a straight man but $20 is $20

[–]eels_no1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm a moral and ethical guy, but 38btc is 38btc.

[–]Calm_down_stupidredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If taking advantage of another person's mistake for my advantage makes me a scumbag then yes. If that person can afford to invest around $15k worth if bitcoin and be slapdash enough to send it by mistake then scumbag me up. Like I said, I know the right thing do do would be return it but I'm also honest enough to admit that having 15k drop in my lap would nake a huge difference to my life and I'm not sure if I wouldn't take it and run.

[–]o-o- [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I have no doubt you would do the right thing!

[–]varikonniemi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I would have taken a "security consultant" fee before returning it. Like 10% or something. Depending on how polite the other partner has been.

[–]bacon_flavored [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This thread is a great example of why btc isn't more mainstream. Sad really.

[–]jarfil [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

Only 38btc? I once got a bank transfer for over $100k by mistake... you don't learn about temptation until you see your yearly salary sitting there, looking at you and whispering "take me, please, I want to be yours".

[–]impediment [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

There's a huge difference between bitcoins and a bank transfer. Chances are he could have just kept the bitcoins and nothing would have happened to him. There are zero scenarios in which you'd come out ahead withdrawing the 100k from the bank.

[–]jarfil [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Bitcoins are not anonymous, you can still get sued for stealing/misappropriating them.

[–]impediment [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Even so, the bank is no question - you would 100% of the time been fucked if you withdrew the money. There's at least a chance that you could have kept the bitcoins and not had issue, however small the chance is. You having 100k in the bank isn't "learning about temptation" because there's nothing to think about. You literally cannot take it. There's no temptation.

[–]eucalyptustree [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Literally cannot? Not really. Legally cannot, sure, but if your bank has 100k sitting it and you can withdraw any of it and spend it, that's what temptation is. The temptation to steal, when in the instant of miscalculation, you believe you won't be caught and/or punished.

[–]impediment [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yeah you're right. My overuse of the word literally has literally got to stop. It's even annoying me lately.

[–]2_I_Snake [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Some reading for you.

[–]impediment [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Yeah she got arrested.

[–]2_I_Snake [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

...because of temptation. Which there obviously was.

[–]impediment [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Guess I'm different than you. Having 100k in my bank account accidentally is not temptation for me. Neither is an open cash register at a grocery store. I know it would be easy to take the money but I also know I'd be fucked if I did. No temptation.

[–]2_I_Snake [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You having 100k in the bank isn't "learning about temptation" because there's nothing to think about. You literally cannot take it. There's no temptation.

The woman in the article thought about taking it. She took it. Why did she take it? Because there was temptation.

Get the point now?

[–]PotatoMusicBinge [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

/r/humblebrag

[–]s1lverbox [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Bitcoin is about trust. 100 kudos for doing right thing.

[–]Dumbhandle [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Good man!

[–]ChilliWillikers [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Nice one, OP. I would have tossed you a btc or two for being an honorable mofo :thumbsup:

[–]Mrpotatoeking [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

respect

[–]aksmcifuenidnredditor for 17 days [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

UI fail there for sure. Don't blame the user for a poor UI

[–]WellsHunter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I applaud this! Good for you.

[–]reprapraper [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

i've done that before from the other end. i was using a qr code generator and a friend was sending me a few k in usd. with this particular site, it loads exactly like if you were to have just generated a qr code but the code is for the tip address. we figured out what happened pretty quick and the matter was resolved almost immediately after sending an email to the qr guy consisting of, "hey, the wrong code was used can you refund me all but <sizeable tip>"

[–]DustinBeBustin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

original tx 'hash'

[–]flakycraigslistbuyer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Cool, thanks for the lesson on how to collect tips from gullible redditors after sending money to myself.

[–]theswapman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

youre a good person but most people are pieces of shit, and it doesn't always pay to be the good guy when you're in a den of vipers called mankind.

[–]S00rabh [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I would have kept.

[–]jarfil [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You would have been sued.

Unless you live in some country where you can expect not to be sued.

[–]bitawareaustralia [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

You were using Purse?

The 38 BTC was proceeds of crime. Yes, the guy you were dealing with was a credit card thief. It's illegal to keep the proceeds of crime, but then, it's also illegal to send it back to the criminal.

You should have contacted the police., and Amazon, so this guy could be tracked down.

It would be nice to keep the money, and I always like to deprive a criminal of their money, but it's illegal to keep it and illegal to return it.

[–]ehempel [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Bad assumptions. You don't know this. Yes, purse.io may be popular with CC thieves, but that doesn't mean that everyone using the site is a thief.

[–]bitawareaustralia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Who would have 38 BTC yet still be buying more at a premium with credit card on Purse?

Carders. That's who. Not a newbie.

[–]XSSpants [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

If you're unaware it's proceeds of crime, it's legal to keep/use/fap with/etc.

If you ARE aware it's criminal proceeds...well. Run it through a tumbler and donate it to the EFF and call it karma. Pigs are just going to confiscate it and fund their police state.

[–]bitawareaustralia [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Fortunately, we're not all criminals like you.

[–]XSSpants [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not a criminal though, but thank you for your libel, statist pig. ;)

[–]orbeing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You, sir, are a better man than most. Certainly better than me. 👍

[–]dahdly [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

shoulda kept it