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NonerBonerCapitol Hill が 14時間前 * 投稿
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[–]utterpedant 400ポイント401ポイント402ポイント 13時間前 (55子コメント)
This is the third time I've seen a version of this post today, and now the /r/Seattle mods have neutered it beyond all recognition. At this point, there is no useful information in this post aside from the Sexual Assault Unit number. Mods, if this was your intent, well done. If not, what the fuck are you doing
[–]JowsephVonSassypantzHillman City 211ポイント212ポイント213ポイント 11時間前 (38子コメント)
Reddit is really good at perpetrating witch hunts with little more than circumstantial evidence or the word of a single stranger online. Criminal trials were created for a very good reason.
[–]NonerBonerCapitol Hill[S] 60ポイント61ポイント62ポイント 11時間前 (5子コメント)
You're 100% correct. My original posts, though, had names redacted and an alias for the female recruiter that this man was posing as (which I will not post) that I Googled beforehand that had no connection to him at all in the general sphere of the Internet. I wanted to be very careful to disclose enough information to be helpful, but not so much as to incite anything.
Some suggestions from the mods were helpful, like including the SAU contact info. But I didn't feel my originals contained any personal information that could have identified someone unless you already knew the situation at hand IRL.
[–]carelessNorth Capitol Hill[M] 87ポイント88ポイント89ポイント 10時間前 (4子コメント)
Putting names in a post is problematic because the mods have no way to determine if they are actually aliases, or if you're just saying the name is an alias.
I'd prefer to err on the side of not causing a witch hunt, per reddiquette.
[–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 2時間前* (1子コメント)
Would this female alias be permitted if it was released or vetted by /u/Seattle_PD? If so I would encourage /u/nonerboner to drop a fresh post to keep it up and active. There's no real harm then, surely.
EDIT: Why is this downvoted? It seemed like a solid question.
[–]carelessNorth Capitol Hill 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 19分前 (0子コメント)
Would this female alias be permitted if it was released or vetted by /u/Seattle_PD [+12]?
Sure.
[+]StabbyPantsCapitol Hill スコアが基準値未満のコメント-61ポイント-60ポイント-59ポイント 9時間前 (1子コメント)
can we stop with 'problematic' and just say that we have no way to know if the names are actually names?
[–]hutchins_moustache 33ポイント34ポイント35ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
You do realize that word has an actual definition that pre-dates the context of use you are taking issue with, right? This is a perfectly fine and correct usage of the word.
[–]Tarnsman4Life 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)
The whole "Boston Bomber" Identification fiasco comes to mind; how many times did Reddit mis-identify the bomber(s)? 3 or 4?
[+]Tashre スコアが基準値未満のコメント-23ポイント-22ポイント-21ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
[–]Tarnsman4Life 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
In this case "eggs breaking" could be peoples lives being destroyed.
Lets leave the police work to the professionals.
[–]joylongdivisionSeattle Expatriate 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Well they didn't make an omelette either, all their ID'd people were hilariously wrong.
[+]boi88 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-55ポイント-54ポイント-53ポイント 11時間前 (23子コメント)
How long did it take the criminal justice system to bring Bill Cosby to justice?
[–]NeShep 45ポイント46ポイント47ポイント 11時間前 (22子コメント)
Are you suggesting extrajudicial 'justice' is a good thing?
[+]-SagaQ- スコアが基準値未満のコメント-16ポイント-15ポイント-14ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
Characters like Batman didn't get to be popular due to people disliking this idea.
[–]ehdv 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Characters like Donald Trump got popular to people liking this sort of idea. Doesn't mean we should do it.
[+]boi88 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-51ポイント-50ポイント-49ポイント 10時間前 (18子コメント)
Are you suggesting guys like Bill Cosby should get away with their crimes just because the justice system failed?
[–]NeShep 36ポイント37ポイント38ポイント 10時間前 (13子コメント)
I didn't suggest anything. Since you didn't answer the question I'll ask again. Are you suggesting extrajudicial 'justice' is a good thing?
[+]boi88 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-44ポイント-43ポイント-42ポイント 10時間前 (12子コメント)
I asked how long it took the justice system to bring Bill Cosby to justice.
If you want your question answered, you can answer mine.
[–]NeShep 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 10時間前 (9子コメント)
It hasn't yet and maybe it won't. Do you think things would be better off if sentences were carried out extrajudicially?
[–]boi88 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (7子コメント)
There are many cases where the "legal system" gets things wrong, or fails to convict, not because the perp is innocent, but due to bureaucratic failure (authorities didn't care or bungled the investigation), or the perp has friends in the right places or had the resources to hire the best attorneys in the land while the victim had next to nothing.
Our history is filled with cases in which wealthy perps trample on poor victims and nothing is done.
If a victim wishes to create a PSA based on her first hand experience, I support that.
[–]NeShep -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 1時間前 (6子コメント)
Thanks for clarifying that. It seemed you were advocating witch-hunts when the justice system fails. A PSA is exactly what this is. Providing identifiable information is what would lead to a witch-hunt and shouldn't be included.
[+]hateboresme スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8ポイント-7ポイント-6ポイント 9時間前 (1子コメント)
Your answer is irrelevant. You've already shown that you are in support of a system in which all that's needed to punish someone is an accusation.
So, if I say that you killed my father, then you should spend the rest of your life in jail.
[–]boi88 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
You are projecting some other issue onto what I wrote. See my latest response to /u/noshep
[–]Jotebe 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 8時間前 (2子コメント)
The Justice system "failed" because we decided, and decide, that until proven in a court of law, beyond a reasonable doubt, that you're guilty of a crime, then you're presumed innocent in the eyes of the law, even when the public or the mob knows knows knows that you're guilty.
[–]DrigrLynnwood 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Which is always super shitty in the mobs eyes, until the mob is pointing at you. That's one of the problems with reddit witch hunts. Everyone loves participating in a good witch hunt and how dare mods police it. Until the witch hunt is after you. Then mods please save me know didn't do it.
[+]yoyojedi スコアが基準値未満のコメント-63ポイント-62ポイント-61ポイント 11時間前 (3子コメント)
Criminal trials were created for a very good reason.
Phew, remember when we used to have crime? Gosh that sucked. I'm glad we don't have crime anymore thanks to the perfect judicial system.
<cough> (In a city that has a vigilante)
[–]thescienceoflaw 44ポイント45ポイント46ポイント 10時間前 (2子コメント)
The purpose of a criminal trial is not to stop crime it is to guarantee the rights of the accused.
[+]yoyojedi スコアが基準値未満のコメント-19ポイント-18ポイント-17ポイント 10時間前 (1子コメント)
I agree.
Problem is most people don't know that. People see it as one part of the "justice system". Then they look around, and see lots of injustice. People seek creative solutions.
This usually ends badly.
[–]busymakinstuff 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
Re: Batman..
[–]carelessNorth Capitol Hill[M] 95ポイント96ポイント97ポイント 10時間前 (8子コメント)
This is the third time I've seen a version of this post today, and now the /r/Seattle mods have neutered it beyond all recognition.
We're trying to keep this post from being a witch hunt, which is prohibited by reddiquette.
First, the poster was originally asked to remove photos of the suspect, and then later asked to remove the alias (we have no way of figuring out if that's actually an alias or someone's real name) in the description.
Fundamentally, we're trying to do good here; you know, the whole innocent until proven guilty thing. I'm sorry you're unhappy about it.
At this point, there is no useful information in this post aside from the Sexual Assault Unit number. Mods, if this was your intent, well done. If not, what the fuck are you doing
At this point, there is no useful information in this post aside from the Sexual Assault Unit number.
Mods, if this was your intent, well done.
If not, what the fuck are you doing
Trying not create an internet smear campaign without a shred of evidence. Guess I'm just a complete jerk.
[–]therealdrag0 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 10時間前 (0子コメント)
You're doing good, M. Mod.
[–]NonerBonerCapitol Hill[S] 37ポイント38ポイント39ポイント 10時間前* (6子コメント)
Hi. I never posted a photo of the suspect. I posted an Imgur album with screenshots of the original Facebook post with real names and photos redacted. I included the alias name and in my text post said this man "posed as" [insert alias here]. I gave every indication the name was fake, but included it because I thought it was relevant. I never once posted a photo of the person in question. I'm not sure where you got that bit from.
Of course, as a mod, you err on the side of caution. Thanks for leaving this post up, at least.
[–]Justin_Case_ 31ポイント32ポイント33ポイント 8時間前 (0子コメント)
Plot twist: The guy you're describing is a mod O.o
[–]carelessNorth Capitol Hill[M] 37ポイント38ポイント39ポイント 10時間前 (4子コメント)
I posted an Imgur album with screenshots of the original Facebook post with real names and photos redacted.
I didn't know - I was not the mod who removed that post.
I included the alias name and in my text post said this man "posed as" [insert alias here].
Right, but as noted, we have no way of knowing if that name is, in fact, an alias, or if you're just saying it is. Better to remove all names.
Of course, as a mod, you err on the side of caution.
Yes, that's what we do; try to err on the side of caution.
Thanks for leaving this post up, at least.
Thanks for being willing to work with us, and for not calling us names - as many others in this thread apparently think is a good idea.
[–]Jotebe 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 8時間前 (3子コメント)
You silly goose.
[–]robotzor 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
Scurvy knave
[–]nutkizzleWest Woodland 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 51分前 (1子コメント)
Scallywag
[–]passwordgoeshere 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 14分前 (0子コメント)
Spoony bard
[–]seattleweather 40ポイント41ポイント42ポイント 12時間前 (1子コメント)
This is very careless of them.
[+]tallwookieRenton/Highlands スコアが基準値未満のコメント-17ポイント-16ポイント-15ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
lol, zing!
[–]balancetheuniverseWest Seattle 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 13時間前 (1子コメント)
The mods and users of this subreddit are exceptionally angsty.
I estimate this post will receive no fewer than thirty down votes.
[+]Yepyaknowdis スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
You don't know me!!!
upvotes
[–]Agrona 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
Posing as porn recruiters and abusing women, perhaps.
[+]irerereddit スコアが基準値未満のコメント-25ポイント-24ポイント-23ポイント 10時間前 (1子コメント)
So you're buying that women who are approached by a stranger on Facebook offering to them into porn is making them run out to meet people? Seems fishy to me.
[–]ryan_goslings_smile 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 9時間前 (0子コメント)
people get raped meeting up with strangers (and friends) all the time - this isn't really any different. it isn't the fault of the victim but of the perp.
π Rendered by PID 31024 on app-443 at 2016-05-19 16:42:25.358797+00:00 running 5db47a7 country code: JP.
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