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Harassment Bans - The Facts (self.2007scape)

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Hey everyone,

Recently, several players were banned for repeatedly harassing a number of people within the community. We want to make one thing clear in this post: the actions of these players were completely unacceptable and we will not tolerate racism or harassment in Old School RuneScape.

The players who were banned have made posts claiming that their actions were harmless and they were merely banned for simply performing emotes in the background of one person’s livestream. This is completely false.

The players whose accounts we took action against spent their time spreading racism, hatred and abuse throughout the game. We wanted to post an excerpt of their chat logs to show some of the hatred they are bringing to the game, but we simply can’t bring ourselves to publicise something so horrendous.

These players harassed numerous individuals in this fashion, disrupting gameplay and bringing a halt to other people’s enjoyment of the game.

We’ve been banning players for harassing others for years, this is nothing new. It has allowed us to remove a lot of truly toxic individuals from the community. We do this because we believe the community wouldn’t want these kinds of players ruining the enjoyment of others and bringing hatred and racism to the game we all love.

We’ll continue working with parts of the community to reduce the impact these players have, and to make sure they aren’t finding a home in our community.

We will not tolerate behaviour like this in Old School RuneScape. If your primary objective in our game is to ruin someone else’s good time or to spread racism and hatred, this is not the game for you.

Regards,

The Old School Team

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[–]UmdlyeTru[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (39子コメント)

On the state of the subreddit

As you all undoubtedly have noticed, the /r/2007scape front page almost entirely consists of posts relating to the recent harassment bans.

They were left up since we were not comfortable with cutting down genuine reactions to a current event while Jagex hadn't responded yet, even if it takes up the entire front page.

Now that there is an official response and we have all had the time to read it and reply to it, we will be removing the unconstructive reaction posts from the front page to make room for a larger variety of posts.

If any of you have questions or comments regarding the current state of the subreddit, feel free to reply to this comment and I'll do my best to answer them all. Please be respectful.

[–]GhostNoob 132ポイント133ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nice timing Jagex, if they really had a long history of harassment, abuse and racism, why weren't they banned earlier? Why do it when emily gets abused by them on stream?

Also, I hope you're not banning people for pking others in the wilderness. There's no difference between having a scout getting intel on another clan and stalking them everytime they get wiped and regroup and finding intel on a single player and just doing what the area is intended for, pking.

Btw, Jagex, or any gaming company in general, cannot supply with information as mundane as chat logs. It's within their policies, we can get chatlogs for certain offences, however I must question the policy in being able to provide chatlogs from offences under the Harassment rule. Jagex put it under bug abuse, because the evidence is something that cannot be supplied (aka, not chat logs), so they used that so that they didn't need any excuse to provide the player chatlogs when adding the offence to that player.

Mark them for harassment, not bug abuse Jagex. Harassment is very similar to offensive language, chatlog is provided under offensive language.

[–]xalchs 937ポイント938ポイント  (180子コメント)

I think you should release the chat-logs to be honest, most of the community think these users were banned for simply performing an emote.

if they can see some hard evidence it would probably help.

[–]Mod_Ronan[S] -1300ポイント-1299ポイント  (153子コメント)

Although in this situation it would be a nice way to clear the air and show the community that these bans are justified, posting such racist and offensive things is something we are not comfortable doing.

In addition to this, we don't want to set the precedent of having to publicly release offence evidence for a variety of reasons.

[–]Hidinginyourbush 77ポイント78ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/Mod_Ronan, I fully understand why releasing such chat-logs might seem like a poor idea. But even as a full supporter of jagex and you guys, i honestly have my doubts by now.

Emily is walking free even though she is one of the most despicable human beings we have in the community, while people are seemingly being banned for "harassing" her by following her, doing emotes and what not.

I have, with the rest of the community no reason to believe you guys when you are saying they use terrible language, racism etc. We have though, an huge reason to disbelieve you when people around Emily seems to be banned for no reason, and you come with some half-arsed fishy comment about the language being too terrible to show to the community.

Put a spoiler on that shit, and let the rest of us without eyes made of silk remove our doubts in you and your fellow mods. We need to trust in you and your fellow mods reasons behind bans and your ability to do so fairly, without favoritsm in streamers/youtubers or whatever person it might be.

Get your act together, clean this shit up, and get it right for your community, it us who pays your monthly salary respect us a little.

[–]BigDaddyIce12 50ポイント51ポイント  (2子コメント)

You can't honestly expect people to just agree with you when you're withholding the evidence that they got banned for. Even if it's horrible it's not YOUR words, it's the words of someone that got banned. On a side note however, there's literally no combination of words that could ever make a young adult go "well I'm never playing Runescape again". First of all teenagers are highly offensive themselves, they probably jokingly say worse things to their friends.

Back to the main point though, you can't ban someone just because you like it. If you have proof that he's a huge racist you have to show it to people, whether you like it or not. Saying you don't want to set a precedent of actually HAVING to show proof is silly as well. If you ban someone LIVE on camera/stream in front of thousands of people they have a right to know why you would do that.

At the very least don't just write "harassing other players" as the reason for the ban, let the player actually SEE the actual reasons he was banned. If he just spammed emotes then write something like "Spamming crying emote", or if there was any racist reasons just quote the message/messages he got banned for, example "Racist comment 'Insert quote'". Cause then even if YOU don't want to show us, we can get the actual reason he was banned instead of him just posting "got banned for 'harassing player' even though I didn't do anything" on the sub, by him not being able to blame it on Jagex as his ban report would have actual information as to exactly why he got banned.

Overall there's so many small things that can be fixed in runescape and the ban reports are just one of them.

[–]scaper28 296ポイント297ポイント  (18子コメント)

your authority is being questioned though, and as the community sees it currently you have massively over stepped, it would at least go some way into showing that the bans were just (or at least somewhat deserved).

Put a disclaimer "the chat logs you are about to see are ..... we do not advise you read them if you are easily offended" or words to that effect. like the news does for pictures people might not want to view.

As for the precedent, it really goes back to the first point, you have over stepped in the eyes of the community, for 2 reasons, 1 they seem unjust (would be cleared up) and 2 they seem to be in the defense of one particular streamer.

show the evidence and restore at least in part our faith in the OSRS team.

[–]frosenfury 70ポイント71ポイント  (0子コメント)

in older posts i have seen MMK release a text log of the chat because some one said he has been muted/banned for the wrong reason. (example down bellow) and the logs prove them wrong and they have gotten the punish they deserve.

why don't you release the logs now? (the longer you guy wait the more we will think you fake it.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/3x0c68/perm_muted_for_this_jagex_this_has_to_stop/cy0umn8

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/3x3862/i_got_perm_muted_for_this_jagex_just_ruined/cy1p435

[–]Machine00000hail alisonquinn 48ポイント49ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think the one that really stumped a lot of us was this case:

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/4jobxy/jagex_this_is_getting_ridiculousno_racism_no/

Would not a censored log be an appropriate course of action, assuming that he's not honest?

[–]Schildpaddeke 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

But while you're not setting a precedent in releasing offence evidence; you are creating an image of a shady business/team that is incompetent in handling online interaction and community; at least incompetent in handling it fair and in the open.

And us threathening with mass unsubscription isn't effective, we don't know the numbers and losing the whole of reddit in playerbase probably won't make a gaping hole in your finances.
But we are a/the vocal part of the community and you obviously care about us and your image; otherwise you wouldn't have responded. Right now, however, your image strikes a resemblance with censorship, an iron fist and a tyrant (these words seems harsh but in writing it is hard to nuance it). That can't be the image you're after, and the jokes about "don't emote in game guys, you'll get banned" or "a seperate world for emily" are overexaggerated but they will only get worse. And there is a hint of truth in them, and this is a really bad precedent for future antics concerning emotes/following/making jokes/...

Right now you don't hold any credibility, your reasons for not releasing the chatlogs are outrageously shady: you can put trigger warnings on them or whatever and it's better that the truth can be read on the internet than the tons of speculations that there are now; and as explained earlier: what precedent is worse than the ones you're creating right now?

This all seems really shady, outrageous, unbelievable, horrific on your part ... (I can't find an appropriate word for bullshit).
Your case is less credible than reddit's/the community's case in my eyes. I think it would be for the best to just owe up to your mistakes. Honesty lasts longer and you're only digging yourself deeper in statements the outraged community will quote over and over. Why are you so afraid of unbanning the dudes or stating that what happened was wrong?

Seriousness aside, the is ModMatK like a bodybuilder or does emily have a nuke pointed at your office? Blink twice if yes.

[–]MisterCroyleOG Solskjaer 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

If the content were so offensive, why not ban them/mute them for seriously offensive language? Chat logs would've been available to both parties then, too.

[–]OyVeyPennyPincher 19ポイント20ポイント  (15子コメント)

in some ways I feel bad for you ronan MatK wouldnt dare show his face so he got the lapdog to do it

[–]msbspecd 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow it's almost as if Jagex's designated bullshit spinner used to manipulate people for his own gain.

Oh wait.

Please give me back my divine you fucking hill giant-looking sociopath.

[–]Vypyr_Ban Emily 29ポイント30ポイント  (7子コメント)

excuses, excuses....censor it. It isn't hard. Nobody is believing anything you say until we see some evidence.

I know Mat K is probably watching over your shoulder as you type responses. I honestly feel bad for you having such a man as a boss...

[–]ilovedota123 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is THE worst way to handle the situation. Everything your team has done for the game, all your time and effort is being called into question. But you still won't show the community that the osrs team is trust worthy.

[–]OSRSJake 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

But even then you are falsely banning people, they weren't bug abusing. Hell, there's no evidence to even say they were harassing Emily; a few emotes performed on stream doesn't pass as harassment. Read the comments, come back again and show us the Facts

[–]markipedia2 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is like america when osama was killed and people had all right to question if it really happened and murica was like 'pictures too graphic we wont show xdd'

[–]Haiized 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

censor it?

[–]Phlay 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not justified when you just say it, we want to see evidence.

[–]iManera 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You could censor the vowels in the words, we just want evidence

[–]PercivalDerpRIP Sailing 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just tag is NSFW, who cares lol

[–]Seriouscatt 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why are you all for showing how stupid someone is to drop their gold stack and blame you but you cant show 'correctly justified' bans?

[–]1994mat 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

release parts of it

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      [–]Phromatic 524ポイント525ポイント  (5子コメント)

      The castlewars community made multiple posts on reddit that made it to the front page with video evidence of a crasher(s) who continuously ruined the game for others. Nothing was done to his account. Even if this individual has a terrible past of racism and bigotry, it seems that these players need to showcase themselves to the world on twitch before any action is taken. People who severely harass players in castlewars and other activities seem to always slip through the cracks, despite evidence.

      Here is the original thread with a more detailed account of the situation in the video and comment section: https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/4c04gx/video_evidence_ignored_by_4_j_mods_when_tweeted/

      [–]Joshkiderp 303ポイント304ポイント  (43子コメント)

      My girlfriend has a guy creating 100+ accounts to send death threats/hatred to her and anyone associated with her. I sent an email to you to look into it, I contacted support on twitter, sent you the RSN's and nothing has been done. I am not exaggerating when I say 100+ accounts either as the ignore list is full with names. He is still active on both of his main accounts. We report and ignore him all the time yet nothing is done. Why don't you help us?

      [–]SSJG___Goku 273ポイント274ポイント  (7子コメント)

      So basically, they got banned straight after doing a cry emote next to Emily but they've apparently been "spreading racism, hatred and abuse throughout the game"? So it's not just a coincidence they get banned shortly after appearing on Emily's stream crying? Typical Jagex trying to make excuses for their actions.

      [–]Whats_9_Plus_10 86ポイント87ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I honestly couldn't care less about what they did in the past lol. The fact of the matter is you literally wait UNTIL they harass Emily to ban them. Why? Do you honestly believe she brings people into this game? You guys are risking your reputation for a girl who doesn't give two shits about y'all and only needs you when people are "harrasing" her.

      [–]Unohdettu2Rs 94ポイント95ポイント  (165子コメント)

      i dont think first offence should be permanent ban tho

      [–]7014gree[🍰] 459ポイント460ポイント  (23子コメント)

      "We have evidence but trust us you don't want to see it" sounds like a whole load of shit tbh

      The whole emily thing is crazy levels of retarded (as are the people perpetuating it) but somehow the way the mods are approaching it is even worse

      [–]Dragonseance420 63ポイント64ポイント  (1子コメント)

      You do realise, failing to stop the streamer favouritism is going to cause more backlash in the long run, the more you guys keep whiteknighting this streamer, the more people are going to "harass" this individual.

      I don't think you guys understand the internet, if you threaten us with punishment for doing something as silly as having a bald head and using emotes behind a player, the more people are going to do it.

      Stop the blatant streamer favouritism and concentrate on making content

      [–]Barrier07Barrier 124ポイント125ポイント  (30子コメント)

      Bug abuse minor

      [–]mrfires 34ポイント35ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Then I have to ask - why did you ban them for "bug abuse" and then proceeded to say "harassing other streamers"? It's astounding that people can get called an assortment of foul language and nothing will get done of it (VERY RARELY is anything ever done), but when a streamer is somehow involved, THEN it is taken care of.

      But you're also avoiding the main concern of all of this, which is consistency. You guys DO give streamers special treatment and your constant denial of it just alienates you further from the community. There is an obvious problem here and we want it addressed for once, not dismissed.

      EDIT: I see the bug abuse option was chosen because of its appropriate ban length, but that's still a separate issue. It is INCREDIBLY obvious you guys give streamers special treatment (AND EVEN MORE SO TO A PARTICULAR FEMALE STREAMER) cough cough one week RWT ban cough cough

      EDIT #2: So apparently the evidence is so horrendous and vile that it would be immoral for them to show it. Oh wait, we see that kind of chat

      EVERY

      SINGLE

      DAY

      in their own game. It's absolutely NOTHING we aren't already used to. You were the guys that made the option to remove the chat filter, anyway.

      [–]3003a 100ポイント101ポイント  (4子コメント)

      http://imgur.com/dOwsEP5

      Look at his previous offences. The last one prior to the Emily incident was in 2010! The ones before that were in 2008! Your lies are catching up to you /u/Mod_Ronan

      [–]TheCurlyGamerComplains Alot 154ポイント155ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Without chat logs its just word against word. Plus I think we can handle offensive words. I wouldn't ask for evidence but this is the second or third event of players being banned and emily/modmatk being involved.

      [–]JordanFaceOver 9000?! 302ポイント303ポイント  (15子コメント)

      You titled the post "The Facts" yet didn't present any evidence to back up said 'facts', as far as we're concerned, they're just your opinions at the moment.

      [–]Cpteleon 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      So you'll just throw out claims with no evidence whatsoever and just claim "we've got the evidence, we just wont show you". I have no idea wether these individuals got banned for performing a simple emote or for continuous harassement, but you're really not doing yourself a favour by just playing the "we have the power so fuck you" card.

      If these players truly were continuously harassing others then you should release the chatlogs, it's not like there's anything in there that /r/2007scape users have never seen before, because by not doing so this just looks like a cheap attempt at covering your own asses after a fuck up.

      [–]bman_7Seismos 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

      The players whose accounts we took action against spent their time spreading racism, hatred and abuse throughout the game.

      But you didn't ban them until they did something to Emily?

      [–]Lemonian 36ポイント37ポイント  (3子コメント)

      /u/Mod_Ronan
      I honestly think it's best for you guys to just either come clean or post the evidence.
      We are not 12 year olds that can't handle ourselves!

      [–]ZachCOC 83ポイント84ポイント  (1子コメント)

      People have been ruining castle wars games for 6 months with proof and somebody who cries with a bald head next to a streamer gets banned instantly?

      [–]Chocobo_Drumstick 66ポイント67ポイント  (4子コメント)

      We wanted to post an excerpt of their chat logs to show some of the hatred they are bringing to the game, but we simply can’t bring ourselves to publicise something so horrendous.

      Why not post a censored version of the chatlogs?

      [–]Niffilyn 110ポイント111ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You can't just make a claim and say it's a fact without providing evidence. Post the damn chat logs.

      [–]JoshuaRAWRObligatory British Flair 360ポイント361ポイント  (39子コメント)

      THE FACTS GUYS!

      "You'll have to take our word for it because we're not showing you the facts."

      [–]01010101010111111111 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

      So much bullshit in one post, you are all clearly white knights defending a person who should actually be the one permanently banned from this community

      [–]TGiFallen 64ポイント65ポイント  (8子コメント)

      "we have evidence but trust use you don't wanna see it"

      Are we just retarded children to you? Do you honestly expect us to buy that?

      [–]Seriouscatt 57ポイント58ポイント  (3子コメント)

      If you have chatlogs of them doing these things, why isnt it listed under their ban evidence and why are those bans not listed under harassment?

      [–]SquireMav 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think if Emily actually gets banned, osrs community would actually be tolerable. Her past actions have brought a giant negative spotlight on the game, and is hurting the game overall. Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. She can't get her feelings hurt if she can't pay the game, right?

      [–]ilikeitalothereWhat 60k thing homie? 61ポイント62ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Post the evidence, clear your names, or you'll hear about this for awhile... takes like 30 seconds in paint to add a black bar to some words.

      [–]BabyRage_BabyRage 162ポイント163ポイント  (16子コメント)

      Why do you put the ban under 'Harassing streamers' though, that is clear favouritism towards streamers

      [–]Awful_Matt 531ポイント532ポイント  (6子コメント)

      • Roses are red
      • Violets are blue
      • Emily lied
      • Jagex did too

      [–]BigDonger123 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Reported post for misleading title. I haven't seen any "facts" as claimed by the poster. A fact is indisputable and supported by verifiable evidence, yet I see none.

      [–]TrappedHDMr. Fister 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Try crashing someone at wyverns and you'll truely see toxic behaviour. Best part is these players doesn't get banned even though they repeatedly tells players to "kill themselves". Poor Emily seeing emotes in-game must truely hurt her emotionally.

      [–]yoyomofoz 13ポイント14ポイント  (9子コメント)

      So if this is true then we are free to go with bald heads and emote around her as long as we don't flame? You hear that boys? Bring em out

      [–]JedNoonanRSN: JedRose17 65ポイント66ポイント  (24子コメント)

      Absolute nonsense. The fact that performing an emote or playing the game as is intended, e.g, pking in the wilderness, can get you a permanent ban, is abhorrent. Saying that this is false is absolutely absurd. People have been permanently banned for doing nothing more than pking Emily or performing emotes near her. I'm not saying that this is the case for everybody, but it is pretty sad that such a small thing can be blown so far out of proportion that thinking a permanent ban is justified.

      Also, we might as well just straight up say Emily, because that's who this entire drama is revolving around.

      [–]ii_social_guy 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Looks like old school runescape is about to be a safe space, where no mean things are ever said to anyone. The player base is older now, ppl need to grow the fuck up and handle people fucking with you a little bit of you are a well known streamer (especially if idk you really fucked up in the past and made up having some deadly illness to get donations; doubtful, I know). No shit that's like having someone delete all the mean tweets to a celebrity and only reading the good ones

      [–]JoshuaRAWRObligatory British Flair 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

      All this post has done is made people hate emily even more and throw you into the fire with her ronan.

      [–]yi00 103ポイント104ポイント  (1子コメント)

      post the logs or no one believe you /u/mod_ronan

      [–]Ehune 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Its weird how they who got banned, don't understand what did they do wrong. I do not support Emily neither what she did, and guess what? That's the end of the story. I don't go to her stream, I don't read anything about her. I give her 0 attention. But when I see Reddit, full with post about someone who should not get any attention at all I feel sad. Every Reddit poster claims that they are adults, but honestly it doesn't feel like that. No matter what you do, hate/love Emily, as long as you give her any attention you are doing the wrong thing, and you are a grown up kid if you don't see that. If you harass her, if you support to her, you are doing the worst thing you can do, because a liar like her deserves nothing,but an empty stream, with no viewers what so ever. Neither lovers, neither haters.

      Ps. Please stop this drama, because you just take the space from awesome ideas that I wan't to see. Thanks. Much love!

      [–]A5onAPUSHexam 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

      "We wanted to post an excerpt of their chat logs to show some of the hatred they are bringing to the game, but we simply can’t bring ourselves to publicize something so horrendous."

      So put a NSFW tag on it and grow up.

      [–]Wiggle-Your-Walnuts 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That's it then. It's over.

      They've made their pathetic little statement and washed their hands of the whole affair. The anger on /r/2007scape will slowly fade away, as it always does. Those whose accounts were lost will never get justice and those responsible at Jagex will never face any consequences.

      What a complete insult.

      [–]Gl_Im_TomMaxing 5th March 2016 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

      So just to clear this up, If we find someone in the wilderness where you are able to kill and attack other players, we are allowed to attack them right? As long as it is not continuous ragging; i.e If one sees a specific streamer doing a clue scroll, one can barrage them and start to kill them without the chance of being banned?

      [–]LukeEMD 45ポイント46ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Bold statement in your title there Ronan "The facts".

      Provides NONE in post.

      [–]Jimsiepops 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

      "Harassment Bans - The Facts" ... "You're not allowed to see the facts" cheers for clearing everything up then.

      [–]LumbridgeRat 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I believed Ronan once, then the bowl headed mong speared me out for my divine spirit shield in clanwars.

      [–]Swaaz 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

      this makes no sense

      "If your primary objective in our game is to ruin someone else’s good time, this is not the game for you."

      what if i enjoy logging in just to kill people?

      what if i enjoy logging in just to d spear spec someone in duel arena in world 318?

      this is extremely vague and almost hints at it being on purpose

      keep in mind i am not implying anything you said is false

      [–]jds1337 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Provide proof, I can't trust a Mod that use to lure people, so provide proof those individuals were spreading hatred, and I want to see a statement from /u/modmatk not from you

      [–]LoCois1337 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

      If Lyte can post the logs of players on league to show why they were banned on the League reddit and the League forums. You sure as hell can show the logs of what these players said to get a perma ban.

      [–]TomFlexx 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

      How to ruin your games community 101 with Mod Ronan and MMK

      [–]mrtheiphonekidOOK 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Harrassment Bans - The Facts

      provides no facts, takes blame ofd jagex with no justification besides "they were bad people trust me bro"

      [–]EzioAuditore8 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

      We wanted to post an excerpt of their chat logs to show some of the hatred they are bringing to the game, but we simply can’t bring ourselves to publicise something so horrendous

      Just post it, do you really think people haven't seen racist remarks before? Sounds like bullshit tbh.

      [–]LootOrIquit 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      What honestly baffles me is that you say that you feel uncomfortable posting the evidence, but at the same time you let US pretty much decide how this game is developed, but you won't disclose us some maybe fool talking or whatever it may be. Either this is beyond stupid or you have no evidence at all, so bring it on.

      [–]validify 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      "If your primary objective in our game is to ruin someone else’s good time.. this is not the game for you." - From the fuckers that brought you jar of souls...

      [–]FAiTH_SoMBreRo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You can name the title as 'facts', but untill we see your proof, we can't assume it's facts. It's one story vs another. And all we have as community is proof of the others, not from your side. We're gonna have to see the logs before we can believe you. Hell, censor the logs if you think we can't handle it.

      [–]Toofluffles 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If the extracts are "so horrendous" to post, then it most likely means there was no racism, hatred or abuse. This is a blatant lie by Mod_Ronan, who is insulting our intelligence more than any 'racist' slur ever could offend anyone. Feel free to prove everyone wrong and post evidence, you can easily warn people of how 'horrendous' the evidence is and that if they're easily offended, they shouldn't click.

      Come on, Ronan. This is Runescape. Trolls play runescape; the only 'racism' that will be found is by random trolls, if you want genuine racism, go to a KKK rally.

      This is Reddit! Reddit has a NSFW tag! Post the evidence and tag it NSFW, anyone who will be offended by this "racism, hatred and abuse" will know not to click on it. If I accused someone of murder and told the court that the evidence was too horrific to bring up, what do you think will happen?

      [–]DeadmanzRS 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I have no problem with this, except that it's only people who harass streamers that get action taken agaisnt them in the vast majority of cases.

      If you want to get rid of this 'streamer favouritism' label, then please ban harassers who target average players because they know they wont get banned.

      [–]artee89 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      panic buy bald hair from from falador before it gets discontinued, will be rarest haircut in the game.

      [–]Vypyr_Ban Emily 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The main question is, why does a project manager have the power to be judge, jury and executioner when handing out bans?!

      Surely that kind of thing should be left to the customer support team who have the correct training and resources to review cases like this? Rather than some old man sitting up late at night watching a livestream? :/

      [–]plythesyus 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I play on an Ultimate Ironman, Recently I decided to go into the wilderness to hunt for a dragon pickaxe, I chose chaos elemental as my wildy boss of choice to kill, after 3 kills I was apprehend by a guy with 3-way switches, I hadn't prepared my supplies to the best of my abilities to escape pkers and hadn't taken the proper precautions to avoid as much damage as possible whilst luring the chaos elemental to a safespot and as a result I was unable to escape being chain frozen for like 4 minutes straight. I lost my rune pouch, dragon defender and coal bag. Buuuuuut I went into the wilderness expecting to lose those things and I don't at all think the person that pked me deserves to be banned. Those items probably took me at the very least a good 30 hours to earn so I honestly have no Idea why Jagex would perma ban somebody for pking a player and getting items that could be paid for within 2-3 hours of runecrafting nats.

      [–]B1inkx 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Out of all this its not if these guys even did or did not do the crime its that the ban hammer is being thrown around irresponsibly, I can see perma bans for reoccurring boting and scamming anything else seems abit harsh these are accounts people have put thousands of hours into.

      a much better solution would have been to mute these people for a few months.

      Then If they are causing problems out side of the game this is non of your concern.

      [–]Vincenttb 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Yet it conveniently happened right after m'lady got followed by players doing emotes.

      All the other stuff you claim they did is irrelevant as they would have been banned earlier. The only reason they got banned is for the usage of emotes.

      Even if they actually did that this is proof of streamer favouritism as you're looking into accounts that make fun of streamers.

      [–]1994mat 26ポイント27ポイント  (9子コメント)

      If this is the case why are the bans classified as 'Bug abuse minor' with the description 'Harrassing streamer'?

      [–]sand_eater 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      There is a thing called the "Ignore list" of which you can add a user to it in order to block chat messages coming from that user. If someone is offended by what a user says, they can simply add that user to their "Ignore list". NOT BAN THEM

      [–]SingularityRS 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Honestly, anyone who wants to redeem themselves in any way would provide the proof, no matter how shocking it is. Pretty much ends all debate. The community has said they can take it.

      Young people these days are used to seeing things much worse than vile language. Sure, there's some sensitive people out there, but that's a minority. The majority can handle toxic material and not get offended - it's something you have to do in order to survive on the Internet. It's a silly excuse and it's what makes you look like a liar.

      This company always manage to do one thing though and that is make people furious. Your stubbornness will make things worse (as evident on this thread).

      [–]TrackFlack 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Transparency is very important Mod Ronan don't you think?

      Especially after a mod saying he thinks the bans are unjustified. Well I guess this shit will never stop. This is fucking bs mate.

      [–]ItsLovellDiagnosed 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The Facts - You think you want it, But you don't.

      Jagex pulling a Blizzard.

      [–]mexicantart 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think this is a good enough reason to finally quit runescape after so many years.

      It's been a fun ride, but incompetence like this is ridiculous. Probably the reason jagex shouldn't make youtubers with no actually experience into mods etc.

      See you all when i get the scape itch again.

      [–]Divine_Ebola 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Excuses for not showing the chat logs. If you really want the respect of the community back for the outrages that have been going on, on this Subreddit, you would shows the logs. 80% of the community in this game are over the age of 16+, with all the hate and news reports on racism across the global news, I'm pretty sure we can handle this. If you are claiming it is this bad, censor out some of the very nasty parts. I for sure have lost tons of respect for the Jagex staff team currently, but I can only see 1 side of the story. Not sure how you will regain it, without showing your side.

      [–]OdouDog 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I remember those videos where you weren't afraid to talk about the RS community and the negative directions Jagex were taking their game towards. You've removed those videos after you became a Jmod. I feel like MLGudi would have had a different opinion on this matter over Mod Ronan

      [–]Cactusblah 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      There are botters, scammers, rich beggars, and clans telling people to "drink bleach and die" who aren't being banned. This doesn't look good for your company and game.

      [–]RSN_Kabutops 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If the player was spouting such things and as frequently as you claim (enough to be considered harassment), then shouldn't there have been at least another offense or two on the account from the time oldschool was released?

      The acc has been clean for 6 years

      [–]midnighthour12 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I was already starting to play less and less Runescape but this has got me to stop completely. The developer team has no integrity left and I do not wish to play and pay for a game under their control.

      Good luck to everyone else and i hope these guys get their problems solved.

      [–]Multitask07 38ポイント39ポイント  (5子コメント)

      You should post the chat logs

      [–]mrtheiphonekidOOK 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

      And the ban comment is "harassing streamers" not "being racist and harrassing people"

      [–]DrLindenRS 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If someone is being "harassed" they can use the ignore feature. If this person keeps harassing people you can "mute" them.

      And I'm glad you cleared everything up with "We have evidence but we aren't gonna show you" Thanks!

      [–]xxjxxx 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Show the chat logs. I am not believing a whiff of this bullshit until I do

      [–]Xofuso 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

      if you want to hand out bans without worrying the community just post the chat logs/proof of this "toxic" behavior

      [–]808sandsuicide 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

      they have a history of racism, hatred and abuse yet this was the straw that broke the camel's back for their accounts? get real my man

      [–]ilovedota123 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Post the evidence then.

      We don't care how horrendous it is, we don't care how vile it is. What matters is protecting the Old School Teams integrity.

      [–]Pytte_ 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Jagex if someone's being an asshole just mute him. If he has "racist" gear and/or is doing "stupid" emotes it's YOUR problem. If you have implemented these mechanichs to the game it's YOUR problem. Not the guys who is doing them. You have the power to change those mechanics if you wish. But banning a person for doing stuff YOU implemented to the game is fucking retarded.

      [–]fnhs90 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

      #RELEASETHETRANSCRIPTS

      [–]CreepyGenius 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You came here to post the chat logs... No chat logs?

      [–]unh0lyhero 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Jagex changed the requirements of this game from PG-13 to Mature for 18+. Yet they're afraid to even show us a censored verison of this "harrassment, racism, in-game items racism (dressing up like KKK), doing emotes" Wow as someone over the age of 18 I'm very afraid for you to post the evidence! I'm so glad you are being so generous and just banning these people instead of showing us what they did! Abuse of power Jagex...

      [–]The_cantankerous 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This is post is embarrassing in all honesty, read the reply's, show some evidence, there's more evidence of you Ronan back in the day luring lmao. Don't ban me 4 getting buthurt xoxo

      [–]WolfAmongstRavensBastions 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I believe Jagex should release the alleged harrassment chatlogs. In court when the prosecutor accuses the defendant of something they have to provide proof of their accusation no matter how gruesome it is.

      I believe the jmods though. They care about our community much more than you guys give them credit. You're going to feel badly when they release the chatlogs and the evidence shows the bans were justified.

      [–]yushey1 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      i got fucking permed for barraging a streamer. u fucking srs? the mods keep removing my post. are u serious. atleast give me my 2.3b back.

      [–]AdrillianAndrus 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You can't make a post about facts without actually paying facts. You can't expect the community to just fall in line.

      [–]DoctorJihad 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Everyone unsub. We need to remind Jamflex who this game belongs to.

      [–]prelude_2_extinction 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If i was raped in real life and I had evidence, but straight up refused to show it to the court because it was "so horrendous" would my rapist still be convicted? Or would I be laughed out?

      [–]PotsandMyths 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Screw you lot, grow some fudging balls and admit what your doing is a mistake. You are fully grown adults and yet I've seen children more willing to swallow their pride and do whats right.

      [–]DominicH96 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      gg alienate half of the community for the benefit of one particular streamer that most people aren't too keen on

      [–]iisfitblud 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

      This is literally the worst way you could have dealt with this issue... Provide evidence and EVERYBODY will be happy. This post has just made everybody question the integrity of the OSRS team even more.

      [–]3kawaii5me 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It would be best to release the evidence with the appropriate warnings.

      Otherwise you're gonna get mass downvoted.

      [–]Autismmprime 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This is a fucking joke. I don't even want to play a game ran by assholes like this. If this is truly how you want to run your game, you will not continue to have a game for long.

      [–]wtfiswrongwithit 47ポイント48ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Cool, but https://i.imgur.com/Ufbr5ej.webm

      [–]JRSing 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You wont release the chats because they are too horrendous? Do you think we are fucking stupid? That emily literally has a notepad and anyone on it somehow ends up banned. And what about the guy who got banned simply for being at bandos on the same world? Are you going to tell me he was harassing her because he was streaming and it's clear he wasn't.

      Don't take us for fools, end this bullshit favoring of emily or I'm quitting this shitty game, and from what I've read, so are many others.

      PS. As stated below, change the fucking title from the facts to "trust us" because I don't see any facts

      [–]shadagada 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Wait, what? 1. Why are they banned under bug abuse if it's toxicity, surely you can just ban them under serouisly offensive language. 2. Release the excerpts, no one is going to get butt hurt. Most of us heard and read worse. This is reddit. 3. Until you release the excerpts, its your word against theirs. There is no facts on your end of the argument.

      [–]A_Naggerdid you know im an ironman? 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      To me this looks like you're justifying their bans with racist comments they've made over the course of their Runescape career, but you only just banned them because of what they did on Emily's stream. Basically, if they've got any dirt on you at all stay away from streamers folks.

      [–]vsnarski 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

      In regards to Emily

      [–]07Aptos 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      We wanted to post an excerpt of their chat logs to show some of the hatred they are bringing to the game, but we simply can’t bring ourselves to publicise something so horrendous.

      Because as people that use the internet, we have never been exposed to such a thing. Thanks for protecting us! /s

      [–]abra238Maxed 9 April 2016 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      This is Reddit! Reddit has a NSFW tag! Post the evidence and tag it NSFW, anyone who will be offended by this "racism, hatred and abuse" will know not to click on it. If I accused someone of murder and told the court that the evidence was too horrific to bring up, what do you think will happen?

      [–]Killoah^ Amount of Bots online. 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

      #ReleaseTheChatLogs

      You're worse than Hillary and her transcripts.

      [–]Instincts 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Jagex stopped giving a shit about bans back when they stopped reading appeals. I'm not sure they even have a team anymore that handles banning and appeals, except maybe that one Weath fellow. Now, botting aside (because that one's automated), its just who jmods feel like banning.

      [–]dybydx_rs 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

      No, Ronan, the people in question were banned for the offence shown on Emily's livestream, and then you found out this information, and are consequently using it as feeble excuse to justify your pathetic actions.

      ASINUS ASINUM FRICAT

      [–]Whos_Insane 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm new to this sub and don't know much on this Emily person, but so far it just smells of bullshit and favoritism. I see bots all over fishing spots, spammers, scammers, etc and this is who they ban? Of all the games I've played, this is the lowest I've seen moderation go.

      [–]xtriickster8 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Can you please address the fact that all of the bans were listed as harassing streamers? That is the most obvious thing in this situation that screams bullshit from a players perspective. Also, show us who issued the bans in the documented cases and the evidence that shows why they were banned, and corresponding chat logs for recent offenses that would have triggered this. Don't treat the community like a bunch of children by playing some "it's too horrible for us to see it" crap, Reddit is a community for everyone just put a god damn nsfw tag on the post if you're that uptight about some swear words. Most people who play runescape have seen people get called nigger or told to die on the daily on larger ice Poseidon or boaty streams anyways, it's not like you guys go through and ban all of them on your time off.

      [–]The_cantankerous 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Players have the ability to put these types of toxic players on their ignore list, or even just turn off their chat.

      [–]nightbefore2 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'll call bullshit. I'm disgusted at the way you handled this /u/Mod_Ronan

      "We have this evidence.. but we don't want to post it.. but we have it I promise.."

      "Hey guys i've got this really hot girlfriend.. but she goes to another school..."

      Sound familiar?

      [–]KupopalloBeatrix 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Now this is some grade a corporate bullshit. It's clear to everyone that these rules are enforced extremely selectively.

      [–]dallchano 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The racism part is probably true but the initial reason the guy got banned is because MMK wanted to defend Emily. Then you looked at his profile "oh the guy says the N word too, we can say this is the real reason of the ban".

      That's what really happened.

      [–]markipedia2 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

      finally people are starting to question the believability of jmods, every time someone posts unrightfully banned thread and jmod says it was justified ban cuz 100% sure was bot they never post any evidence. who tells us they didnt make it up, clearly they wont hasitate to lie if its their best regard

      [–]Ridley290 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Give us the logs. We're not 5 year olds who need to be protected from "bad language". Not releasing the logs makes it seem really sketchy; like you have something to hide.

      [–]StrummerJKronos PvM 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      but we simply can’t bring ourselves to publicise something so horrendous.

      It's been ages since I heard an excuse this bad used as an official statement.

      If there's such a big public outcry and the victims claim innocence, you're better off publishing anonymous chat logs. A lot of us don't know what they've been banned for and are currently fearing for the safety of our own accounts because of it.

      [–]DominicH96 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      gg alienate half of the community for the benefit of one particular streamer that most people aren't too keen on

      [–]RsMistilteinn 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Honestly your excuse for not publicizing proof is horrible. You want to gain the trust of your community and show your doing the right thing? Showing some screenshots wouldnt be horrendous whatsoever, but you not proving anything will lead to even more discomfort and hatred from the community. Stop being so concealed

      [–]Dag_Kingso 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      We came with the facts

      No facts

      [–]CluelessGP 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      show chat logs or riot

      [–]oi_lmao 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Your official tactic is sweep anything under the rug so it will suit your interests. This is all caused by one person we all know who that is so instead of banned them you get 10-20 people banned. Half truths and whole lies I cant believe this... oh wait in this community yes I can

      [–]KriegerW77 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Shouldn't the players getting the bans have a chat log of their wrong doings. I know i got some in my minor offences. I wonder how this all came about did you investigate these players while they were up and about Emily?

      [–]NodA1990 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      So when b0aty is playing deadman mode like he was when it was first released, why wasn't rot banned for intentionally going after b0aty repeatedly? Is that not streamer harassment? They made it so he couldn't even play the game. (It was actually amazing watching him play deadman and kill a lot of the people harassing him, it's what makes this game so thrilling and exciting) If all of this were ignored, if nothing was done everything would of went away. Don't give trolls a reaction and they'll eventually get bored. This is complete favoritism because she's the only one who seems to have the ability to message a j-mod and get people banned..Why is this not being said?

      [–]FunGoblinsMonkey bussines 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Send out the evidence, with a NSFW warning.

      [–]lordofthekeksalmost 99 str 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      /u/mod_ronan would it possible to release the chatlogs? it'll give your post more credibility.

      [–]dooms25 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Okay this whole post is bull shit. First off, the all the evidence for the bans say "harassing streamer" which is bull shit. Secondly, you don't want to show chat logs because they're horrendous? That's such crap and you know it. You really expect anyone to believe that? You DON'T HAVE any chat logs to show. Are you fucking serious Jagex? Do you think we're all retarded or something? Lmao

      [–]scaper28 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

      The Facts - You cant handle them and we don't want you to have them.

      Regards,

      The Old School Team

      [–]Ponder1ng 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Good luck with this shit storm osrs team.

      [–]Nizqa 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Post the chatlogs of a couple people who have made threads claiming to be innocent. If those turn out to be justified I will believe you on the rest. But with this many people getting banned in one day and this thing blowing so big there is something going on.

      [–]ColeMan224 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think most of us are mature enough to read the allegedly inappropriate things that these players have said. Release the evidence, please. I am genuinely curious if the players lied or not.

      [–]Ulysses937 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      A long time ago (2008), Jagex muted my account (Juhna_Nemiko) for trying to say the phrase "IP address ban" while talking to another player, and for trying to say "the word that means where you live" when the person asked what the blanked out word was (address). So I got muted, appealed explaining the situation, and the response I got was "we have clear evidence that you were in control of your account at the time." This was nine years ago, and I stopped playing the game because of this. You guys didn't care enough to read my appeal, so I stopped giving you guys money.

      [–]JakeHodgson 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      "We can't bring ourselves to publicise something some horrendous" what a dumb statement.

      [–]Goblin_Gimp 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If you go back into 50% of Rs players chat logs there is absolutely no doubt that you would find questionable things people have said. This is absolute BS that they just happened to be banned after following Emily

      [–]Sarjena 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      proof or didnt happen

      [–]invalidRS 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Jagex is truly one of the worse gaming companies currently, it honestly pisses me off.

      [–]ShaanOSRSRsn: Shaan 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Major typo

      bringing a halt to other people’s Emily's enjoyment of the game.

      [–]GregClegane 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Nobody will believe that these players deserved their ban unless the logs are posted. Didn't Jagex shame people for doing a max gp dupe on rs3 before?

      [–]anonymoose654321 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The players whose accounts we took action against spent their time spreading racism, hatred and abuse throughout the game. We wanted to post an excerpt of their chat logs to show some of the hatred they are bringing to the game, but we simply can’t bring ourselves to publicise something so horrendous.

      These players harassed numerous individuals in this fashion, disrupting gameplay and bringing a halt to other people’s enjoyment of the game.

      So why did you take action only when it started affecting Emily?

      [–]wagilfall 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Jagex really needs a spokesperson. This is sad.

      [–]Pegmotron 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      http://www.strawpoll.me/10235837

      [–]Jaasce 40ポイント41ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Post the chat logs.

      [–]moccolfc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It seems like Jagex want us to play a way that is often fair, which is good, but banning people for pking in the wilderness (Which is what it is for) is down right ridiculous.

      Its sad to see that games in general (not just Runescape) have put some form of favouritism on streamers. Just look at fifa, They send their favourite streamers to Canada every year to show their "new" game. Its now a form of advertising, which is what Jagex see's in the likes of Twitch/Youtube etc

      [–]Velidian 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The chat logs need to be shown.. The problem is that its all speculation and just saying this without evidence makes the situation even more suspicious, kind of like its just a way to keep the community quiet.

      [–]RecklessTRexDriver 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The players whose accounts we took action against spent their time spreading racism, hatred and abuse

      Please tell me, what kind of "bugs" did 90% of the banned people find and abuse? Nice little thread you guys made here, but there's no facts, and there is enough evidence to debunk the "hatred, racism and abuse". If you seriously want to defend this bullshit behaviour, then I can't wait till that mining company finally buys jagex. Can't get any worse than this.

      [–]Ness6 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Why not release the logs and just censor most of the chat logs? or replace the N word and other racist words with something like, MarshMellows = N word

      [–]All_Overtop hats r cool 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      post the chat logs or no deal

      [–]AvgarsRSN: Agva 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The amount of bullshit from the mods on this thread is too damn high. Holly hell, I've never seen such toxicity from the Moderators of this game.

      [–]FedBank 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Post evidence. Until I see something proving that these bans were justified, I'm not ever going to resubscribe. Streamer favouritism is bullshit.

      [–]Timeyy 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

      From an outsider's perspective (never played rs, seen this drama on front) it looks like some mod banned people for trolling his streamer waifu and now that people get mad they claim racism.

      [–]MikeG24 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      'If your primary objective in our game is to ruin someone else’s good time......this is not the game for you.' - better ban all wildy boss pkers

      [–]pakhemrs 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I do not believe this post in the slightest. I demand to see the evidence.

      This game is for adults, we are all adults here why is a wall of text gonna be too horrendous, this is kind of an important matter here which we should all have oppurtunity to look in to.

      [–]bansaboers 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Let me explain why we're mad.

      If these people really are as toxic as you say and you already knew of them, why did the ban come down on the the very time they appeared on Emily's stream? If there is someone toxic as shit that needs to get gotten rid of, why are they not ejected earlier as opposed to when they appear under the spot light aka on streams?

      Is it like an "oh shit" moment where you realize the fair m'lady will get abused and "harassed" by emotes so you throw all caution to the wind and ban the person on the spot when you could have done it literally any other time as well?

      That's why you guys are white knights.

      [–]likethinkpink 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Listen And Believe- We have no reason to provide evidence. Our word is good enough.

      Good move Jagex I'm sure people will LOVE this

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        [–]WeededDragon1 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

        If everyone is getting banned around one person, what makes you think that one person is not the problem?

        [–]walid373 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        So you are telling me if someone who has an account with no racism, hatred history etc. He wouldn't get banned? Bullshit.

        [–]Baidino 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I do believe this falls under the following report category for OSRS Reddit posts:

        "No accusing players of wrongdoing"

        [–]Nethervextr33z 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yea I'm just cancelling my subscription. Not dealing with another game where people get banned for playing the game.

        [–]JaackRS 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Claiming to have evidence and then not showing that evidence is as good as having no evidence. Show the chat logs.

        [–]PM_ME_UR_STATS 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Im usually one to believe you guys on these sorts of things but there are just too many cases for us to play into the whole "we have evidence but we're not going to show you because of reasons" thing.

        SHOW US THE EVIDENCE, your objectivity and authority is being questioned and it would do you well to nip this in the bud before it gets out of hand.

        [–]demonmaruader 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        So why put down the offense as Bug abuse when you can either report them for Rule #1 Seriously offensive language, or rule #14 Disruptive Behavior. Something isn't right when you permanently ban someone for Bug abuse when you could've at least put down a rule more suited for his actions. You had to see this backlash coming, right?

        [–]musei_haha 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'd rather toxic racism then bots and favoritism

        Can we get a priority poll so we don't waste dev time?

        [–]lethalwiew 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        This is the worst cover up I have seen in my life.

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          [–]Zonkeyyhow dare u 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

          For real though, why can you (the Jmods, not just you Ronan) spend your time hanging out in streamers' chats, banning a very few select people, when there is rampant botting all over the game. The bots aren't even hiding it anymore because they know they can get a bit of money from suiciding and making new accounts. I know you're probably trying to make an example out of the people harassing other streamers, but perm bans seem so overly harsh. Mutes would suffice, no?

          However, it's nice to have a mod response on the situation. We couldnt really know if they had prior offences or know what they lying about.

          [–]Gielnik 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          "we simply can’t bring ourselves to publicize something so horrendous"

          WAHAHA what a terrible excuse

          [–]LieV2RSNs: LV2 & 7I 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Why do other players who harass non-streamers, not get banned? There have been so many castle wars posts where people manage to grief many more players who are actually playing the game, rather than using it as free cash. It's quite pathetic that to get anyone else banned for this same offence is impossible.

          [–]grizze123 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

          "regards, mod mat k, nobody else"

          [–]dinosaurfourBen 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          A few points:

          • You need to provide evidence. It is imperative that after this shitshow Jagex demonstrates to its customers that it is player neutral and just. By this I mean the seriousness of the punishment (account ban!!) should be justified, and without publishing the chat logs specific to the players who posted here, we can't believe you - there is a large pile of evidence available from one side, which appears to show innocent players banned for extremely minor offences, and nothing from you.

          • You also need to show that similar offences will be punished the same way, regardless of persons involved. Furthermore you need to explain to the playerbase and this sub's users why bans such as this one have the comment 'Harassing streamers' as if they are more important than the rest of us.

          I really hope that all of these bans were justified and nothing to do with Emily, but at this point I can't see that being the case, however I will keep an open mind. I think a lot of users have lost a lot of faith in the impartiality of the mods and it is very important that you regain that trust by showing us evidence.

          [–]medieval_warrior 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Mod mat k is a fucking cuck , and so is jagex for all of this shit. Get yourselves together jagex.

          [–]xLobotomizer 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Pking someone in the wild is not harassment. Neither is "crashing" bosses. It happens to everyone. Streamer favoritism is bullshit. This has become a joke. Any of us average normal players don't mean a thing to jagex.

          [–]Teambants9195 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Post the logs, pretty simple.

          [–]jalabeanerFire Mod Mat K 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Chat logs please.

          [–]Yagami_Light_07Haters gonna hate 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          We wanted to post an excerpt of their chat logs to show some of the hatred they are bringing to the game, but we simply can’t bring ourselves to publicise something so horrendous.

          Once again, such an immature response. Had to come from someone with a bowl cut.

          [–]nukefizzixRSN: B747B 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You have not presented facts, only claims. The burden of proof is on you to provide evidence to support these claims.

          We're all adults here, so I don't think anybody is going to mind seeing mean words. That is no excuse to not post the evidence, it any exists.

          [–]ptjosehow many laps till 99 agility? [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          I appreciate you posting, but I don't personally believe it until i see hard evidence. You claim to have every chat log, trade log etc. so I want to see whether someone got banned for using an emote like they claimed or saying racist things like you are claiming.

          [–]diosdeleche 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Such a long post to not say anything...

          [–]OyveyMrGoldstein 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The only thing jagex ever tells us is that "we have proof" but you cant see it fucking bullshit

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