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Doom Review - IGN (ign.com)
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[–]Diggle83Bdiggle69 57ポイント58ポイント59ポイント 10時間前 (47子コメント)
7.1 is good, as long as Evolve retains its 9.0 LOL
[–]KarthaneKarthane 47ポイント48ポイント49ポイント 7時間前 (26子コメント)
How is that relevant? It's a different reviewer
[–]decoy90 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント 6時間前 (14子コメント)
It's something people will never understand, it seems..
[+]MAGGLEMCDONALD スコアが基準値未満のコメント-13ポイント-12ポイント-11ポイント 5時間前 (13子コメント)
IGN chose to publish it. They are a single entity that employs multiple reviewers, but their reviews and their score gets reviewed before its published. It's perfectly ok to compare the scores and reviews of two games from a similar/same genre considering this.
[–]IndridCipherFReaKoNaLeaSH_C_ 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 5時間前 (12子コメント)
It's not though.... IGN is a employer... They employ people to write their opinions. Those people have different opinions on everything because they are people. What one person thinks of Evolve is not relevant to what a completely different person thinks of Doom. It's just not in any context outside of "I want to spin a narrative that makes IGN look bad."
[+]badkarma13136Hylander25k スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 5時間前* (6子コメント)
That's why we have opinion pieces and not reviews. An opinion piece allows a subjective view on a given topic and does not use the voice of the company to assign a value. A syndicated review however, speaks with the full authority and office of the entire site. That's why we expect consistency from reviews - we expect criticism to be weighted the same under the same circumstances from game to game. There does need to be some science and objective standardization to reviews or else the outlet losses credibility.
Edit: Autocorrect mistake fixes.
[–]GunzGoPew [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)
Trust me. You don't want objective reviews. A truly objective review would just be "Doom is a video game. You use an input device to manipulate an image on a monitor or television. Some people will like Doom and will be entertained by it. Other people will not like it."
The entire point of reviews is to see other people's opinion's on things. I don't understand what it is about Gamers that makes them have such a hard time grasping this. Like nobody is demanding "objective" movie reviews!
[–]badkarma13136Hylander25k [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
That's not a review. That's a summary.
An objective review uses facts to validate an opinion, rather than an opinion that is spun like a fact. I have no problem with reviewers having opinions, but be prepared to back it up with more than some arbitrary "I feel..." statement.
I want comparisons. I want a reviewer to acknowledge a game's failing and compare it to a similar game's success. WE need metrics. There's a REASON why gamers crave the "X did this better" (and coincidentally, there's a reason we hear the same thing about movies) and WHY.
It's the reason games in the vein of "Dark Souls" are commonly referred to as "Soulslikes" rather than "Lords of the Fallen-likes" - because we can all agree that the Souls games almost universally did EVERYTHING better than LotF did. Metrics in reviews are good. Comparisons are good. Opinions are fine and good. But these are authoritative, journalistic reviews, not trips to the school psychologist. "I feel it could have been done better" is not a review or a solution. "X did this better, and this is why" is a review.
[–]IndridCipherFReaKoNaLeaSH_C_ [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (3子コメント)
No! For God's sake criticism is subjective! It's all a opinion. There is no science to it. Robert Ebert wasn't a fucking scientist he was a man with a opinion... That's it... That is exactly what all reviews are and if you can't accept that then come up with your own reviews and let the Internet wail on your shitty opinions like everybody else.
[+]badkarma13136Hylander25k スコアが基準値未満のコメント[スコア非表示] 1時間前* (2子コメント)
Game 1 and Game 2 are the exact same game.
Game 1 is less buggy. Game 2 is more buggy.
Game 2 still receives a higher score because the reviewer unilaterally decided that today, he liked Game 2 better.
Is that right? That sounds like a shitty world to me. That's the power, and fallibility of opinion.
I don't give a flying horsefuck about Ebert. He didn't review interactive materials. He was a passive observer. HE had to evaluate story and cinematography and maybe sound design. There's a lot more moving parts in a game than there are in movies. There's ALL OF THAT plus playability, bugginess, control schemes, multiplayer etc.
I don't care what anyone says, the framework of a review has to be objective on some level. I, for one, simply don't accept "I didn't like this game because X was better" and neither should you. I want quantifiable data, I want explanation and I want arguments with weight.
For the record, I happen to agree with what a lot of this reviewer is saying. I'd be able to take it a lot more seriously if they hadn't given a game like, say, Evolve, such a high score - especially one that was so grossly out of line with what the average was. It's not wrong to be an outlier as a general rule, but in this case I really do suspect some funny business was going on at IGN and 2K (especially when the user score is even more abysmal.)
[–]IndridCipherFReaKoNaLeaSH_C_ [スコア非表示] 30分前 (1子コメント)
reviews are NOTHING more than opinion. End of story... Bugs, How you feel a day or not, genre someone likes or doesn't, literally any outside context is LIFE... you can't stop that. Anytime you idiots disagree with something either HIGH or LOW you make excuses like some fucking how your opinion is gospel. Someone liked Evolve.... thats not a fucking conspiracy! Someone else thought Doom was alright... NOT a conspiracy. They have absolutely nothing to do with each other outside of being a someones opinion in a place with thousands of opinions. There is no reason you conspiracy nut jobs need to link them... other than to make WILD AND INSANE SPECULATIONS. Either some site didn't get paid enough, or they got paid to much, or the competitor paid them, or this guy has a revenge plot against this company because of TOTAL BISCUIT that one time!!!!! It is absolutely fucking insane... ITS A PERSONS OPINION ABOUT A VIDEO GAME!!!! THATS IT! If you want fucking quantifiable data about video games go here
http://www.eurogamer.net/?topic=digital_foundry
thats what you get. There is where performance and bugs and all that stuff gets tested. Reviewers are paid to give their opinions... not come up with some idiotic scientific experiment to quantify opinions. There are plenty of places to scratch your data driven itch..... like Baseball.
[–]badkarma13136Hylander25k [スコア非表示] 18分前 (0子コメント)
You're not getting it. But that's okay.
[+]MAGGLEMCDONALD スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 5時間前 (4子コメント)
I'm not trying to spin any narrative. I haven't even read or watched the review. I'm just saying it's fair to call out IGN because they are the employer who publishes these reviews, so a standard gets set across the board regardless of who reviews what game.
Individual reviewers for major game journalism sites is inherently a bad idea because ones personal opinion can always cloud their judgment of a game. It's smart to have multiple opinions to flesh out a fair revkew. They should have moved to review teams years ago.
You don't understand the business behind these websites if you think the entire staff could be paid and managed to review 1 game at a time. That's idiotic...
[–]MAGGLEMCDONALD [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (2子コメント)
I didn't say the entire staff did I? You could have small 2-3 member teams. It isn't idiotic, it takes away the problem with subjectivity.
[–]IndridCipherFReaKoNaLeaSH_C_ [スコア非表示] 40分前 (1子コメント)
subjectivity isn't a problem.... literally any review is subjective. If 3 people did a review they might all score the game differenetly... because people feel differently about things. Gamepro and EGM used to do this where multiple people would review a game... they'd all be different. They stopped doing it because it was silly and 1 subjective opinion is enough.... It is 100% idiotic to view reviews as ANYTHING but subjective opinion! What don't you understand about that? Read a review, understand this is 1 PERSONS OPINION.... there is no problem, there is no need to fix that... thats what reviews are. If you got that through your head... then there'd be ZERO problems when reviews come out.
[–]MAGGLEMCDONALD [スコア非表示] 29分前 (0子コメント)
Now you're just being a dismissive prick. Subjectivity is a problem. One guy's review can be totally off base with the target audience's perception of the game. I'm not saying it's fool proof, but I think team based reviews are an intriguing option. I don't know why you have to be such a dick and say it's completely idiotic.
It's a decent idea, three scores, average them, boom. Write up a review together, give it to an editor, and publish. It's not idiotic, and with so many gaming websites using the same methods for reviewing games, a concept like this would be very welcome for me as a gamer who likes to read reviews. If you don't agree, that's fine, but stop acting like its the worst idea that could be offered as an alternative to the status quo.
[–]D33GSDeegs 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 5時間前 (6子コメント)
It makes it difficult to judge the rating scale if you disregard the score based on this though. IGN as an entity felt Evolved warranted a 9.0. That score was evaluated and agreed to be published. If you dismiss comparables like this then the review scale is completely meaningless from major publications.
[–]Prax150praxma 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 5時間前 (3子コメント)
Numbers are arbitrary and comparing games to each other that way is irrelevant.
[–]D33GSDeegs 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
I agree the numbers are arbitrary. That being said, if you're going to issue a score an attempt should be made to stay consistent in your standards. Another user said these reviews are not done by panels and just individuals. I would contest maybe these websites should consider this approach for a more consistent review scale.
[–]Prax150praxma 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
I don't think reviewing games by committee is the right way to go about it. First of all you have to commit way more man hours to ensure said panel all play the game within the timeframe that you need the review (which is often only a couple of days). Also you're going to have a lot of cases where people on that panel disagree heavily. If one person thinks a game is a 6 and another thinks it's a 9, is it really that much fairer to average it to a 7.5? Also presumably this panel would be small, and there are a lot of people who review games at IGN so you're still going to run into the same problem pretty often since it's just a bigger group of different reviewers each time.
Plus another thing that people don't consider is that even if IGN's scale was consistent, you couldn't possibly compare it to other sites. Some sites still use scales where various components of a score (graphics, gameplay mechanics, etc) are averaged to give a game a score. Others, like Giant Bomb, are on a 5-point star scale. Others just do recommended/not recommended.
At the end of the line I think people just have to put less stock into the number. The number is there specifically because people freak out about it and that drives up clicks. And because aggregator sites like Metacritic exist.IGN is a business and whether or not they get hate for it those numbers probably make sense to keep around for their business.
And I don't think it's really misleading, because if you're basing game purchases on only numbers then you're doing it wrong anyway. People should find reviewers they like and follow them, they should read the actual words of multiple reviews if they're on the fence about something and make purchasing decisions that way, not based on some random number which isn't consistent within the same site, and certainly not over various sites.
[–]KarthaneKarthane 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Right... but IGN, and most sites, acknowledge that there will never be consensus among the staff so they don't bother with site wide consistency and you shouldn't expect it. It's not reviewed by a panel. The staff is constantly changing, people's opinions change, so just look at it as a review from one person in 2016, which is exactly what it is.
[–]polloloco81 [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (0子コメント)
I don't get how people think there's some sort of finite system on how games are rated. Reviewers are again people, some are gamers, some are journalists, some may be both. That's why we have aggregators like Metacritic.
Personally I think people who start questioning "why did X game gets a 9 but this one got a 7" are idiots. When I read reviews, I actually read the reviews. I don't just look at the score.
[–]Zonemasta8 -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
What is the point of the scale if it means nothing then. If one person gives a bad game a 10 and another person gives a good game a 8 the rating loses its value.
[–]KarthaneKarthane [スコア非表示] 3時間前 (1子コメント)
Two people having different opinions means a scale has no value?
[–]Zonemasta8 [スコア非表示] 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Yes
[–]wanderingtraveler524 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 6時間前 (5子コメント)
That's the issue I have with modern review tactics, it's like what is a good game is it a 9? an 8? a 7? what's good vs what's great and what's average? Make up your mind, show some consistency.
It seems like the real scoring doesn't begin until the 9th percentile. People get anal about 9.1 vs 9.3 meanwhile there's 1 through 8. It's almost to the point where if the reviewer (who liked the game clearly) would've woken up on the other side of the bed he would've given it an 8.6 or something, it's like they just shoot these numbers out of their ass.
[–]greg225 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 6時間前 (3子コメント)
You're asking them to be consistent, but it's not like there is only one person who reviews games for them.
[–]wanderingtraveler524 -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 6時間前 (2子コメント)
Yes I know, I guess asking for consistency is too much. Wouldn't it be cool if there was like a panel of videogame journalists that got together and collectively reviewed games? Actually that's a good idea I'm surprised nobody has done it yet, and issued scores as a group.
[–]KilledByDeath 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
metacritic.com
[–]wanderingtraveler524 -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
no.com
[–]Prax150praxma 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
At the end of the day people need to stop putting so much stock in arbitrary numbers from different people. It'll never happen specifically because people freak out about, but just read the damn review to figure out what a person thinks about a game. So many people have reviewed for IGN alone over the years that it would be nearly impossible to have a consistent, arbitrary scale.
[–]A1WTech 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
I'd give it a 7/8. Campaign was fun but very repetitive, non existany story, and a few annoying things like anti climactic boss fights and cliffhanger ending to a series that won't see another game for 10 years.
[+]buddhijay88 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-54ポイント-53ポイント-52ポイント 10時間前 (12子コメント)
HAHAHAHHA. omg the shame. i hope he got fired
[–]Thaner_147 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 8時間前 (0子コメント)
Not remotely as much shame as in your comment.
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[+]MayMayman12 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-25ポイント-24ポイント-23ポイント 9時間前 (6子コメント)
What a cancerous subreddit.
[–]PepeSylvia11celtics345 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 7時間前 (1子コメント)
I see no problem making fun of people who say stupid shit.
[–]severedgoddesshandhex_me -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
So making fun of what someone said about what someone else said?
Seems retarded to me.
[–]Fishooked 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Ironically, its quite the opposite.
[–]Devasaurus 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
It's making fun of the people saying really dumb shit, like I hope someone loses their job because of a game score.
[–]highoverseer 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 8時間前 (0子コメント)
You're an idiot
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Nope. Vince Inginito is still there. He is their fighting game expert.
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