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New Community Head's first act: Quarantining Free-Speech alternative to /r/Europe (reddit.com)

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[–]GamerGateFan 7ポイント8ポイント  (10子コメント)

This is just a start down the direction the new Trust and Saftey team members direction want to take things, those krispy replacements sure didn't wait long to flex their power.

Today we are excited to announce that Philippe Beaudette has joined us to lead our Community team. ... After leaving Wikipedia, Philippe joined Wikia and ran the Community Support and Engagement team.

In addition to Philippe, we have brought on an additional five members to the Community and Trust and Safety teams this week.

[–]CuilRunnings[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Why do you think this post (and the /r/european quarantine) got so little traction today?

[–]GamerGateFan 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

hmm.

I don't see how, but timing and placement is the most common cause of failure. And this seemed like the right place to post, and for something like this, time shouldn't matter much.

Perhaps the audience has become adjusted to such things and we are perhaps biased in that we cared more about /r/european existing than they do.

Or perhaps they don't realize that this is different from the previous quarantine in that the nature of the subreddit is much different and this is the stand the new generation of admins are taking, and they are even more sensitive and find even more things offensive than the previous. I can imagine the first meeting they had this week, what can we improve about Reddi going like this:

Well spez/kn0thing we don't like /r/the_donald and /r/european.
We can't get rid of the_donald yet, he is the republican nomine, but european is an Islamophobic cesspool, and it would be great to kick them out, and it would improve the site overall.

[–]CuilRunnings[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think they've added some top-level controls to the sorting algorithm.

[–]GamerGateFan 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I didn't see anything in github recently about such a change, but I might of missed it, and not everything is public, as they keep certain things like their spam prevention code secret.

So the change might of been made obliquely, and it isn't like they have a track record of honesty or act in the interests of the users so we can't really ask them or believe them anymore.

[–]YoStephen[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Or the sub is just slow? Maybe this isnt something people dont care about (enough)? Im not disagreeing but doesn't that seem drastic?

[–]CuilRunnings[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think I need to spell it out more clearly.

[–]YoStephen[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well lemme know what you come up with.

[–]HotSauciness 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

wikipedia

I wasn't even part of GamerGate, but I stopped trusting Wiki after it became obvious they let anti-GG write the GamerGate article. The bias was too much to ignore

[–]CantStumpTheTrump 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You could not find any more obvious propaganda than on those pages.

[–]Il128 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow! That was fast.

[–]floor-pi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ridiculous.

[–]IrbyTumorPowerDriller 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The thing I'll miss about that place is that they didn't ban people for disagreeing.

[–]YoStephen[🍰] 1ポイント2ポイント  (13子コメント)

I think the fact that reddit censoring obviously and consistently bigoted communities robs it of its potential to be a genuine free speech platform. It's too bad because bigotry on reddit makes people who dont live in regular contact with bigots more aware that stuff like like stil exist and have an impact on the world.

Its not like theres a genuine commons in real space in much of the urbanized world. Where else but the public space in our society will we overhear racist nationalism brewing. How else do we recognize it in the full order of its magnitude?

Fact that reddit deleted r/european because it was too big and too controversial erases a very significant indicator of the fact that so many people feel that way. Maybe the corporation that owns reddit has an interest in white nationalism. Or maybe they are so blinded by their pursuit of profit that dont see what a rich and diverse ecosystem of human interaction reddit it.

This frustrates me tremendously because the fact that the people who run it dont it that way rob the site of its opportunity to genuinely become a place where free speech good and bad can be allowed in all its glory and insideousness.

[–]CuilRunnings[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

Reddit is failing

that the Reddit-owned content farm Upvoted is officially dead, and that Reddit’s $20 million 2016 revenue projection is well below its ambitious $35 million goal. But he and Fortune’s Dan Primack, who wrote a lengthy profile of Reddit’s leadership that also dropped today, suggest that there are signs of life in the company’s sales unit, as big-name brands have started buying ads on the site.

Emphasis mine. Reddit is failing to launch and the venture capitalist owners are forcing them to make huge structural changes to the site. The big gamble is how the userbase will react. So far, a whimper.

[–]YoStephen[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

Why does reddit need to succed? Why cant reddit just be? Why does some dude in a suit need 35 mil instead of 20m? Why is it the people who get the money and not the people that make the product that get to make this conclusion?

[–]CuilRunnings[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

Why does reddit need to succed?

Because they've spent a lot of cash. That cash came from investors, not philosophers.

not the people that make the product

The people who made the product were bright and naive college students who worked for someone who they admired for the equivalent of peanuts. The funder gave them the idea, the funds to work on it, and a very small slice of the equity. IMO, they should quit, allow the VC's to destroy the site, buy it back off them for pennies on the dollar, and return it to how it used to be.

[–]YoStephen[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

That would be great but aaron is dead.

[–]CuilRunnings[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

LMAO shit someone direct /u/kn0thing and /u/spez to the nearest burn unit.

[–]YoStephen[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Better that than aaron to a crematorium :') Internets own boy and anonymous: story of aaron swartz both get me hella sad.

[–]CantStumpTheTrump 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

They're kinda like Robin and Batman, right? I get the "there's possibly more something to this" kind of vibe if ya know what I mean.

[–]CuilRunnings[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

/u/spez seems like a "Robin" to me. Did you see in kn0thing's post history? He's so proud of the booth they got at the Transvestite con. Not even lying. Says it's the best thing reddit ever did. Holy shit.

[–]CantStumpTheTrump 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are there photos of this online, perhaps? I suppose Alexis wouldn't have to change his name, though.

[–]CuilRunnings[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man, this is top notch shit posting and I really want to help, but I think he's one of the good guys for now.. we'll see how the next few weeks go.

[–]CuilRunnings[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

/r/European had been gaining on /r/Europe with 1/3 the active unique daily users than the regional default, despite /r/europe being shoveled users by the admins.

As we have seen today, reddit at the moment is focused on expelling all problematic users who might engage in "open and genuine conversation" that makes advertisers feel unwelcome. This is important, because reddit is only on course to earn $20M in revenue, compared to the $35M they projected. They even shut down /u/kn0thing's baby, /r/upvoted.

I'm guessing blame was being levied at the community team, which is why /u/krispykrackers is moving on to greener pastures. The most damning fact though, seems to be her replacement Phillipe Beaudette. Who seems to have a very checkered history of protecting child-groomers, stalkers, and harassers. There's plenty of corn popping, how tasty will it be?

[–]cojoco 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Phillipe was about as effective as a screen door on a submarine.

Isn't that exactly what we want :| ?

[–]CuilRunnings[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Against child-rapists, stalkers, and harassers? No. We want transparency and accountability.

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