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[–]Comrade Aminrcraoftm 21 points22 points23 points  (8 children)
Agreed. It has become clear to me that no revolution (except in wet utopian dreams) will be fully democratic. There needs to be an informing and leading vanguard, but also a strong backing of anarchists to lead in the destroying of the socialist state so it cannot become corrupt.
[–]Comrade YoungModern 26 points27 points28 points  (0 children)
Dialectical contradiction: Fully heightened
[–]Comrade SmashRetroInter-Anarcho Pre-Structualist Intra-Situationist Post-Marxist 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
Replace anarchists with proletariat and that sounds like cultural revolution.
[–]Comrade existentialrobotshould ever again the Black and Red unite 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
Everyone has an inner anarchist.
[–]Comrade SmashRetroInter-Anarcho Pre-Structualist Intra-Situationist Post-Marxist 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Sort of like an inner child eh
[–]Comrade illuminated_sputnik 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
So the anarchists will act as a failsafe in case the state is corrupted?
[–]Comrade Aminrcraoftm 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Exactly. It is no news that capitalism must be destroyed, but the problem is that the state is a tool of oppression, yet it needs to be used to get rid of capitalism.
[–]Comrade illuminated_sputnik 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
How will the anarchists not become shut down by the state? If a state is corrupted, it will naturally work towards disposing of the biggest threat to its power. In this case, the anarchists.
[–]Comrade GoodAmericanCitizenG✊D DⒶMN thats ☭dgy 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Because that totally worked in the USSR...
[–]Comrade Comrade_Bender1 Trotsky sized ice-pick vs 1 million ice-pick sized Trotskys 12 points13 points14 points  (4 children)
It's already a thing. It's called: CNT/FAI.
[–]Comrade MilligramSmiles<MFW there's no Tito flair 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
Its called Leninism tbh...
[–]Comrade Antman996This flair kills fascists 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
Unitat per la victoria! ☭ --- Is Anarcho-syndicalism Leninist though?
[–]Comrade imeakvidyageamsDe som ramlat idag ska resa sig imorgon, sån är dialektiken 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
No, anarcho-syndicalism is anti-leninist.
The closest that you can get to Syndicalist Leninism is De Leonism.
[–]Comrade durruti_columboNdërtuar bunkerë ose vdesin 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
CNT Was and anarchist labor union and FAI was an organization dedicated to spreading anarchism to the Iberian peninsula. They where pretty solidly anarcho-syndicalist, I don't see where the leninist aspect comes in...
[–]Comrade Fifth_IllusionFree Your Ass... and Your Mind Will Follow 15 points16 points17 points  (2 children)
Leninists are so frickin anarchist, they want to kill the state and then immediately build another state just so they can kill it again.
...very slowly and indirectly.
[–]Comrade MaxPir 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
aren't you talking about Trotskyists?
[–]Comrade CannotIntoNameP E R M A N E N T R E V O L U T I O N 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
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[–]Comrade imeakvidyageamsDe som ramlat idag ska resa sig imorgon, sån är dialektiken 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
Tbh platformism is just anarcho-vanguardism.
[–]Comrade derpderpderpde 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
I was going to say, haven't platformists often jokingly been called anarcho-Leninists?
[–]Comrade imeakvidyageamsDe som ramlat idag ska resa sig imorgon, sån är dialektiken 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
They've also been called anarcho-Bolsheviks.
[–]Comrade bremerdani 6 points7 points8 points  (12 children)
I think that's just called Leninism.
Edit: I'm reading The State And Revolution right now, and to me it seems like the only difference is that according to Lenin, the Proletarian state will wither away, and according to anarchists, it will be abolished overnight.
[–]Comrade existentialrobotshould ever again the Black and Red unite 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
Here's an interesting question: would it technically be possible for the proletarian state to serve its purpose while being organized in such a way that it is not a state by anarchist definitions? I'm asking because I'm an ancom who knows very little of non-anarchist theory (although I'm reading Marx now).
[–]Comrade bremerdani 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
I'm not familiar with any anarchist theory, but I think this might answer your question: “The proletariat seizes from state power and turns the means of production into state property to begin with. But thereby it abolishes itself as the proletariat, abolishes all class distinctions and class antagonisms, and abolishes also the state as state. Society thus far, operating amid class antagonisms, needed the state, that is, an organization of the particular exploiting class, for the maintenance of its external conditions of production, and, therefore, especially, for the purpose of forcibly keeping the exploited class in the conditions of oppression determined by the given mode of production (slavery, serfdom or bondage, wage-labor). The state was the official representative of society as a whole, its concentration in a visible corporation. But it was this only insofar as it was the state of that class which itself represented, for its own time, society as a whole: in ancient times, the state of slave-owning citizens; in the Middle Ages, of the feudal nobility; in our own time, of the bourgeoisie. When at last it becomes the real representative of the whole of society, it renders itself unnecessary. As soon as there is no longer any social class to be held in subjection, as soon as class rule, and the individual struggle for existence based upon the present anarchy in production, with the collisions and excesses arising from this struggle, are removed, nothing more remains to be held in subjection — nothing necessitating a special coercive force, a state. The first act by which the state really comes forward as the representative of the whole of society — the taking possession of the means of production in the name of society — is also its last independent act as a state. State interference in social relations becomes, in one domain after another, superfluous, and then dies down of itself. The government of persons is replaced by the administration of things, and by the conduct of processes of production. The state is not 'abolished'. It withers away. This gives the measure of the value of the phrase 'a free people's state', both as to its justifiable use for a long time from an agitational point of view, and as to its ultimate scientific insufficiency; and also of the so-called anarchists' demand that the state be abolished overnight." (From Anti-Dühring by Engels)
[–]Comrade existentialrobotshould ever again the Black and Red unite 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Awesome, thanks for pulling this quote out for me. Appreciate it.
[–]Comrade imeakvidyageamsDe som ramlat idag ska resa sig imorgon, sån är dialektiken 8 points9 points10 points  (6 children)
It's not that we want to abolish it overnight, it's that we don't want to use it as a tool.
[–]Comrade bperki8Who's going to be the lesser evil in 2016? 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
It's not that you don't want to use a state as a tool, it's that you don't want to call it a state. Because I'm pretty sure anarchists want to organize the working class to force the bourgeoisie out of power using violence when necessary, and that's exactly the definition of a state according to Marxists. For real, read The State and Revolution if you haven't yet.
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    [–]Comrade bperki8Who's going to be the lesser evil in 2016? 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    The Marxist definition is not a vague definition. It's a specific definition that actually applies to material reality. A state is the organized force of one class used to suppress another. This is much more specific and useful than any definition of a state I've ever heard from anarchists who pretty much just define "states", "hierarchy", and "authoritarianism" as anything they disagree with.
    [–]Comrade MaxPir 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    if you want to spread anarchist nonsens at least remove your ché flair, he would fucking slap you
    [–]Comrade imeakvidyageamsDe som ramlat idag ska resa sig imorgon, sån är dialektiken 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    being this salty on a circlejerk sub
    Wew lad
    Im going to change it to Stalin
    [–]Comrade Another_DupontBuy my t-shirts! 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    according to anarchists, it will must be abolished overnight.
    It's a still a state, and so it still present opportunities for those who desire power to subvert the organization towards their own ends. We must be vigilant against this, with the dissolution of the state as the ultimate means of preventing undue accumulation of power/authority.
    [–]Comrade Aminrcraoftm 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I've heard that State and Revolution is not representative of Lenin's views, so take it with a grain of salt. Also, it is important to understand how the state will wither away. People need to make it go away, it will not just disappear by itself at some arbitrary point.
    [–]Comrade Enzo_kabenzo 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    So would Anarcho-Leninists purge themselves?
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