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What's your United-related conspiracy? (self.reddevils)

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[–]amagneto 36ポイント37ポイント  (6子コメント)

I still think something shady went on in the Man City - QPR game in 2012. I have no evidence, it's just the only thing that helps me sleep at night after that.

[–]PhillipCostiganMata 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

Joey Barton getting himself sent off... still pisses me off to this day.

[–]amagneto 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

Tell me about it. Former Man City player decides to go full caveman just when Man City are looking like they could miss out on the title - how convenient...

[–]TheDrySkinOnYourKnee 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's Joey Barton, he's always going full caveman.

[–]amagneto 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey man, don't ruin my narrative. This is a conspiracy okay.

[–]ThadderfulRooney 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah its when they knew they were safe from relegation due to the results that went on elsewhere. I don't think it was malicious towards us I think it was just the fact that they completely relaxed after knowing they didn't have to get even a single point.

[–]jbiresqHerrera 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

All that happened was they learned the Stoke/Bolton game had finished a draw meaning Bolton were relegated and they were safe so they stopped playing. That and they're QPR and they're shit.

[–]shinkag 39ポイント40ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why we bought Bebe.

[–]LDN2016 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

theory was as a payoff to mendes/queiroz because nani was doping or on recreational drugs and got sent home from international duty with a made up BS "injury" to avoid being drug tested.

[–]Lamb3DaSlaughterMata 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Perhaps there's a second conspiracy to be explored now that he's inexplicably beefed up and can do this

[–]mostlymildopinions 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

Gerrard's backpass to Drogba was deliberate

[–]itsandercontrolDarmian[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

Drogba? Do you mean Ba?

[–]BanterWithTheLadsYeJanuzaj 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

No he means Drogba to win Chelsea the league... Ba wasn't exactly a backpass either

[–]itsandercontrolDarmian[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ohhhhhh! May I ask which season this was? Thanks.

[–]kiwwi191Martial 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

Cakir hates us or loves Real.

[–]MAINEiac4434SCHWEINSTEIGER FUßBALLGOTT 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

We'll find out if it's the latter in a few days.

[–]shinkag 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How? Clattenburg is refereeing the final...

[–]Shynobi 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably both.

[–]MAINEiac4434SCHWEINSTEIGER FUßBALLGOTT 26ポイント27ポイント  (18子コメント)

Sir Alex knew Moyes would be a failure and wanted people to know just how much he overachieved with the 12/13 squad.

[–]Snjolfur 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've said this before. I think the plan was to get Moyes in to fail so the next manager would not be compared as much to SAF. I think LvG was the plan all along since he was supposedly going to take over when SAF was rumored to retire in 2001. That plan just didn't work out unfortunately...

[–]greatGoD67༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ give hugs (っ◕‿◕)っ 8ポイント9ポイント  (10子コメント)

That's a new one. I'd be on board, but i don't think Sir Alex has that big of an ego, vs his love for United.

[–]MAINEiac4434SCHWEINSTEIGER FUßBALLGOTT 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's one I've heard and not one I necessarily agree with.

[–]doesnt_like_pantsHerrera 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's one I actually touted on here over two years ago.

Imagine how SAF's legacy would've been looked upon if Mourinho or Ancelotti came in and we carried on our winning ways.

[–]BigCheeserKeano 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Paisley won more for Liverpool but Shankly is always remembered for laying the foundations that enabled that success.

That theory basically says SAF would rather see the club burn than his reputation tarnished. A club he spent a quarter century at. It just doesn't seem feasible.

[–]doesnt_like_pantsHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not saying it's not an outlandish sentiment, it is.

I just can't help but feel that from all the interviews over his career, his post management work at Harvard etc. that SAF is driven crazy by the concept of respect. I think he needs to be seen as the best there is as well, that it's an absolute minimum requirement for himself to be seen as the best in history and I can't for life of me understand why he didn't want Mourinho taking the reigns other than to keep his own legacy in tact.

I also can't understand why he didn't invest in the squad for nigh on 4-6 years (depending on which part of the pitch you're looking at) before he left. Absolutely ridiculous that he left us with that midfield when it was clear to see, even before he left, that Clevs and Anderson weren't gonna cut the mustard. He bought RvP and thought to himself "yeah, I can milk one last title out of this squad before it turns to shit". He had another 3 year rebuilding job ahead of him like in the early 2000's and simply couldn't be fucked. That's what's left us in the shit.

[–]LDN2016 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

i don't think Sir Alex has that big of an ego

well....

Anyway, the connected rumour that's done the rounds over the last 3 years is SAF always vetos Mourinho because he doesn't want to be overshadowed.

Not that I believe it.

[–]ThadderfulRooney 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I thought it was Charlton vetoing him on the grounds that he is a dickhead? Maybe both I suppose

[–]LDN2016 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Always heard that's the "official line" pushed but in reality it's an ego thing by SAF indluging Charlton so he doesn't have to be the face of the anti-Mourinho campaign.

Pretend to be red wine swilling friends in public, stab him in the back in private and try to get Pep, Carlo, Poch - literally anyone else - kind of deal.

[–]ThadderfulRooney 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Agreed, don't think Fergie and Mourinho were ever friends - I think SAF probably liked the fact that Mourinho looked up to him so much. Ferguson definitely seems like the type of guy to get off on a weird power dynamic with such an obviously talented manager.

[–]LDN2016 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That Porto celebration pissed him off so much. He was fuming with that result. He's not a man to give up a grudge easy.

The next season being schooled by him with the record points total probably killed him too.

Only beat Mourinho because of Chelsea's implosion, I think that's always hurt his ego. He was really desperate to go for that points record in 2012/13. Gave the players the hairdryer when they slacked off with the title secured and ruined his chance to get the record.

[–]jbiresqHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Charlton definitely doesn't like him. But I don't think he ever had the power to veto it. If anything it's always been a more implicit thing of not pissing off the most senior and probably most respected (even more than Fergie) United figure.

[–]jbiresqHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

My semi-related but contradictory conspiracy theory is that Moyes wasn't his sixth choice or whatever but was someone he really thought he could do the job. Basically, he bought into how overrated Moyes was by the English media and thought he was good enough. Clearly, he approached Pep and Ancelotti first but there's no way I can fathom Mourinho turning the job down.

[–]ThadderfulRooney 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Basically, he bought into how overrated Moyes was by the English media and thought he was good enough

I do doubt this.

The media is the link between us and the football world (i.e. SAF and Moyes).

There is no need for Ferguson to be influenced by the media when he knew the man and had competed against him at least twice a season for a decade.

[–]jbiresqHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Still, there was a perception that Moyes was a fantastic manager, something that Fergie would have been around and been influenced by. That perception was at odds with reality, given Moyes basically did as well as you'd expect a team of his calibre and the wages he paid (Arteta took a pay cut when he signed with Arsenal.) Did he just want to appoint a merely "good" manager? He pretty much says that in his book but I don't buy that was his rationale at the time.

[–]LDN2016 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Mou said he'd already promised Chelsea. Probably had a pre contract signed.

[–]jbiresqHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's what Fergie said too. I just don't believe it. I buy Diego Torres' account much more. The way he behaved in that tie that season, talking to Fergie after Nani was sent off and then saying the best team lost. Was it just respect and admiration for Fergie? Maybe but it felt so calculated.

[–]LDN2016 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Conspiracy is that SAF keeps stabbing Mourinho in the back because he doesn't want a man as charismatic and talented as him to take over.

Preserve the legacy and all that.

[–]CalimariaeSolskjaer 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

There's always the Bebe one.

[–]AngryUncleTonyShaw 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

And the corresponding Nani doping.

[–]abz1377 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Could someone explain what happened? Never heard the full story.

[–]shinkag 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's the same thing

[–]AngryUncleTonyShaw 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hence "corresponding," but whatever.

[–]ValenciasLeftFootValencia 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

De Gea's transfer to Madrid was a conspiracy to weaken Real Madrid by denying them a goalkeeper. Unfortunately Keylor Navas foiled that.

[–]LDN2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

i thought is was just a way to keep ddg by pretending there was a technical error.

everybody knew navas was elite, he beat courtois to the gk of the year in spain

[–]ThadderfulRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I thought it was just a method of saving face when the deals where all signed except Madrid (or Navas or another player perhaps) didn't agree to another part of the transfer - i.e. navas (or Ramos?) coming the other way

[–]LDN2016 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oooh that's juicy.

I can see that happening. I don't see Navas objecting, can't see him going anywhere bigger.

Can defo see Ramos fucking up the deal last minute.

[–]ThadderfulRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah thats what I thought about Navas too especially as we had brought in Valdes and Romero

[–]finbarwaterfordTaibi 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Rio's no-show at the drug test in 2003 which resulted in an 8-month ban was due to the fact that it would returned a positive cocaine test.

[–]LDN2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

alt theory to that is the club bundled him out because it was doping and the cocaine rumour was the cover up.

[–]ThadderfulRooney 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Genuinely don't think people regard this as a conspiracy anymore haha - feels like its been repeated so much that its the truth

[–]Sabu113Nani 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Demi utd but I think uefa leant on refs during the late 00s when English clubs looked very very strong. It should have been utd Chelsea back to back

[–]LDN2016 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That 2009 Barca/Chelsea match was 100% rigged and nobody will convince me otherwise.

Now ay in hell a ref is that incompetent. Chelsea got absolutley robbed by those diving catalonian cunts.

[–]jbiresqHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fletcher getting sent off for absolutely nothing and then not being allowed to appeal it was fucked too.

[–]lukejames1111Beckham 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man Utd vs Real Madrid 2013. Both Champions League games. I am 100% convinced it is a conspiracy.

[–]OTownTrillaFoRilla 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Obviously the Nani red card

[–]AirIndex 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Rooney always plays because of marketing reasons.

[–]LDN2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

always rumours that a lot of our endorsements have minimum rooney appearance clauses and that lvg's forced to play him

other rumours are that rooney's contract since he re-signed with moyes has minimum minutes clauses with severe financial penalties for the club if he doesn't get his minutes

[–]jbiresqHerrera 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The latter wouldn't surprise me at all. He held Moyes over a barrel and Moyes totally caved. Fergie realized his mistake in giving Rooney everything he wanted in 2010 and tried to rectify it by forcing him out when he retired.

[–]LDN2016 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

  • Our players were doping which is why the club helped rio escape and didn't crack down on him hard. Same thing with Nani.
  • SAF had a network of contacts in the PL network and regularly bought 50/50 decisions by a combo of money and intimidation. Which is why he was less successful in Europe.
  • Stam said in his book that SAF told our players to dive and cheat in big CL matches.

Article: http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/2215755/fergie-told-us-to-dive-stam

MANCHESTER UNITED defender Jaap Stam has caused a further stir in his autobiography by claiming that Sir Alex Ferguson encouraged his side to dive in an attempt to earn penalties when playing in Europe.

The Dutchman says that the English players in the squad found it hard to adopt the policy of going to ground easily, but that Ferguson believed that it was fair game on the continent.

"It's got to the stage where he has even told us: 'Don't try and stay on your feet if you're in the box and get a slight kick," Stam revealed in his autobiography being serialised in the Mirror.

"He wants us to copy other sides we face in European competitions and go down to win a penalty.

"Far too often English players seem determined to keep running after getting a whack on the leg, even though the chance to get a shot in has gone.

"I don't think diving has caught on with the English youngsters yet, as their fair-play mentality stops them from taking a tumble.

"Coaches at academy levels are honest and would stamp out that kind of cheating from their team.

Stam says that he does not advocate diving, as he is often penalised as a result of a forward going to ground under one of his challenges.

"I admit to becoming frustrated by the frequency of diving in the Champions League.

"Players from Holland and Scandinavia aren't divers, but those from Spain and Italy go down far too easily for my liking.

"Even players in Germany are used to taking a dive. In all those countries it looks like they have been brought up with it since their schooldays.

"It's tricky for me to take a dive, though. If I fall down under the slightest kick, I'm going to look stupid falling down like I've been shot."

[–]ThadderfulRooney 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Our players were doping which is why the club helped rio escape and didn't crack down on him hard. Same thing with Nani.

Also how Giggs and Scholes managed to play until they were ancient, yet as soon as Moyes took over they both retired? Furthermore Rio and Vidic started to show their age when he was manager and declined extremely quickly - whether that be due to their attitudes or other aspects of their performance is the point of the thread haha.

[–]LDN2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

SAF was always a win at all costs man, wouldn't shock me at all.

Same story with Mourinho - Eva and the team refused to keep doping which is why he tried to get rid of them which is why his team's fat, lethargic and shit this season.

Same story with Pep - a bunch of unfit "i hate the gym and sprinting" midgets cannot press that hard. Absolutley ridiculous and unbelievable to work like that AND have no major injuries. He doped as a player too, clearly all for it. Same reason he gets in constant fights with the medical team.

[–]ThadderfulRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think its ridiculous because they have possession for the majority of the match so the other team gets tired a lot quicker but the injuries thing too... Yeah the doping as a player and fallouts with the medics are suspicious, although the Bayern medic guy is a nutter.

[–]shinkag 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also how Giggs and Scholes managed to play until they were ancient, yet as soon as Moyes took over they both retired?

??? Scholes was always going to retire, nobody expected him to stay any longer considering he was pulled out of retirement. Giggs on the other hand played a season under Moyes....

[–]greatGoD67༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ give hugs (っ◕‿◕)っ -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Woodard is here for the investors, not here for the club.

[–]doesnt_like_pantsHerrera 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's more truth than conspiracy.. The very nature of a CEO is that their interests should align first and foremost with investors otherwise you get what are called conflicts of agency.

[–]LDN2016 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

not a conspiracy, that's his job.