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o0MetalHead0o が 10時間前 投稿
I just went over there for a bit and they should call it libertarians who just got their first piercing.
[–]Anarchojoe 44ポイント45ポイント46ポイント 10時間前 (36子コメント)
I fucking detest it with an absolute passion. It's not just their ridiculous veiws but they literally don't act on anything. It's like they only exist on the internet and they make all these memes in hypothetical situations like arguments between socialist and them (you know with the little circles in the color of different anarchist flags and they have eyes) which could actually happen in real life if they actually got out there and fucking did something. The stereotypes are just so so true it's ridiculous. When have you ever seen an ancap rally or ancaps trying to smash the state they hate so much? Ive never even heard of it. It infuriates me how much of a neck beard stereotype they are and I hate the selfish racist fuckers.
[–]GrabGrabTheHaddock 35ポイント36ポイント37ポイント 8時間前 (25子コメント)
There's zero chance of anarchocapitalism ever being practically implemented because it is literally impossible to have capitalism without a state (or a structure that functions exactly as a state) to support it.
The real danger with anarchocapitalism is that it gives a moral and political justification for tearing down the small parts of the state which actually help regular people like pensions, food stamps, health care and so on.
[–]thouliha 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 7時間前 (3子コメント)
The scary thing is that they outnumber us. /r/libertarian (basically all soft-ancap) has a lot more users than nearly all the leftist subs combined.
The idealogy of the ruling class is strong with them.
[–]Hueng 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
I think that could be because we're on Reddit that seems to have a right wing libertarian bias. The typical apathetic 'libertarian' who wants to smoke weed and vote sanders but thinks trans people are icky and who don't like to act when it comes to helping others.
[–]misanthropic-rage 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 39分前 (0子コメント)
a lot of people troll that subreddit too, because it's good comedy.
[–]ACABandsoldierstoo 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 36分前 (0子コメント)
The scary thing is that they outnumber us.
130k users, but I think only 1-2k are active. You can see that in the upvotes-comments, which are really low, I mean, the most commented post has 340 comments and the most upvoted is 328 points; seems pretty low to me for a 130k subreddit.
[+]ben_asscrack スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 6時間前 (20子コメント)
"There's zero chance of anarchocapitalism ever being practically implemented because it is literally impossible to have capitalism without a state (or a structure that functions exactly as a state) to support it."
How would anarcho-communists prevent individual property ownership?
[–]schnoookums 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 6時間前 (19子コメント)
Depends on what you mean by "property". Your laptop? Nobody gives a shit about that. Power plant? Take it. Though then again you need to ask yourself who would willingly wan to work for a boss for less than the value of their labor. If you examine it closely you realize working people in capitalism are legitimately getting screwed out of profits they produce.
[+]ben_asscrack スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 6時間前 (18子コメント)
Your laptop? Nobody gives a shit about that. Power plant? Take it. >Though then again you need to ask yourself who would willingly wan >to work for a boss for less than the value of their labor. If you >examine it closely you realize working people in capitalism are >legitimately getting screwed out of profits they produce.
Regardless of one's conception of wages, who is it that just "takes" the power plant? Obviously "everyone" can't perform this feat, so this means that some group of people will now be the "owners" of the plant and can make demands to those who desire the product of the plant. There may be a few confiscations of the plant by new groups, but eventually one group will have enough force to prevent others from taking it. So, I can only assume, the area will be constantly suffering limited goods and services, like Venezuela, or everyone would be forced back into a very self-reliant, less technological existence.
[–]schnoookums 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 5時間前 (17子コメント)
who is it that just "takes" the power plant?
The people working in it. You gotta get up to date on your syndicalism maaaaan
everyone would be forced back into a very self-reliant, less technological existence.
Way I see it humanity has no choice anyway. Climate change outpaces technological advancement nowadays. Consumer civilization cannot survive.
That being said, none of the scenarios you envision, including that one, would be the result of this. Not without some outside power fucking things up anyway. The basic gist is autonomous collectives that collaborate with each other for common goals. Power plant people provide the power, in return get access to farm people's farm stuff, etc etc. Among a million and one other possible organizational setups.
[–]ben_asscrack 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5時間前 (16子コメント)
My belief is that what you present is how you wish it to be, not necessarily how it will manifest. An-caps are guilty of this too. I won't get into my problems with the syndicalist bartering scheme, but would your system allow for the establishment of a privately owned power plant? You say you don't understand why people would wish to work for such an establishment, but if they did, would they be allowed to?
[–]mutokangiusanarchist without objectives 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 3時間前 (6子コメント)
You say you don't understand why people would wish to work for such an establishment, but if they did, would they be allowed to?
you're basically asking if we would allow people to be oppressed because of their false consciousness. we would not. violently.
[–]ben_asscrack -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 2時間前 (5子コメント)
So you don't believe that others should be free to act as they wish, if it differs from your worldview.
[–]mutokangiusanarchist without objectives 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 2時間前 (4子コメント)
i don't believe that others should be "free" to exploit people. you are concerned with employers' "right" to exploit people. i am concerned with employees' actual, existing right to not be exploited.
edit: do you think that con artists are okay? i mean, people are consenting to give their money to a con artist so it's all good right?
[–]FantasyDuellist 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
A privately owned power plant doesn't exist without a state to enforce it.
[–]ben_asscrack 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
"A privately owned power plant doesn't exist without a state to enforce it."
Private protection service. Could this evolve over time to a defacto "state"? No logical reason why it couldn't, but I fail to see how this same scenario isn't possible under every anarchical system.
[–]schnoookums 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 5時間前 (5子コメント)
I won't get into my problems with the syndicalist bartering scheme
See, that's the thing: it's not bartering. It's collaboration. Though of course that's a semantic argument. I don't believe in utopia, but I certainly am not going to fall into this trap of assuming this kind of thing is impossible. It isn't.
but would your system allow for the establishment of a privately owned power plant?
You do realize you're talking to a guy who just a few posts earlier wrote "take it" as a solution to privately owned means of production, right?
If you want to be a slave nobody's stopping you. But who wants to be one? More importantly if such an enterprise conflicts with the interests and needs of the general population than it shouldn't exist.
[–]ben_asscrack 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (4子コメント)
"If you want to be a slave nobody's stopping you. But who wants to be one? More importantly if such an enterprise conflicts with the interests and needs of the general population than it shouldn't exist."
How can you determine objectively the "interests and needs of the general population" without demonstrated preferences? In a free market, if a business is popular it makes a profit from customers. If not, it goes out of business. The "general population" is already making this decision. But by your beliefs, you already presume it to be detrimental because you presume the workers are slaves. It would seem your system presupposes capitalist employment as bad, so it would be prevented regardless of the wishes of others.
[–]schnoookums 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (3子コメント)
How can you determine objectively the "interests and needs of the general population"
I believe something as basically necessary as power shouldn't be monopolized for the sake of profit. That's it.
In a free market, if a business is popular it makes a profit from customers. If not, it goes out of business. The "general population" is already making this decision
Hate to break it to you but this isn't what happens. This is the ideal. In practice what happens is people are backstabbing and apathetic pieces of shit.
[–]nihilistsx 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Herein lies the bigger dilemma between these two ideologies ; the ancap side would say that the development of privately owned establishments is natural and inevitable, and it would be morally wrong to interfere with that, whereas the traditional anarchists believe a privately owned establishment is morally wrong and should be abolished. I think the logic behind overthrowing private establishments says that the hierarchical nature of private business is violent towards those underneath the owner, and should be destroyed, while the ancap logic says if people volunteer to work underneath someone without being coerced it is a perfectly legitimate and mutually beneficial arrangement.
[–]mypersonnalreader 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
you know with the little circles in the color of different anarchist flags and they have eyes
God. I hate countryballs.
They seem to exist only to glorify imperialism, irredentism and nationalism to younger generations.
[–]1stCame4da2thbrushesState Brocialist 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
Ancap at a rally
[–]SolomonKull 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
I hate ancaps as much as I hate irrational communists, but this video was more funny than pathetic. I mean it was pathetic and that guy is likely a prick, but it was funny too.
Notice how the cop was clearly on his side.
Notice that.
It matters.
[–]o0MetalHead0o[S] 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 10時間前 (2子コメント)
Yeah one of them just called me a peasant and I called him a 15 year old fedora wearing kid in his mom's basement.
[–]SolomonKull 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 8時間前 (0子コメント)
You sure showed him! That'll change his worldviews! Viva La Revolution!
Perhaps it would be more productive to ignore them than to engage in childish name calling and petty bickering. Save your anger for those who have earned it. Seeking out a reason to get angry is a stupid thing to do, in my opinion.
[–]mutokangiusanarchist without objectives 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
what a goofball. we're proletarians. duuuuuuuh.
[–]TheMatrixShibe/ second coming of rms / rosen-stallman-marxpinguist / nonbinary 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 49分前 (0子コメント)
Awwww, anarchoball is funny.
[+]Lem_gustave スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8ポイント-7ポイント-6ポイント 7時間前 (1子コメント)
"An" cap here. One question. Why would an agorist publicly advertise themselves to the public? Just a thought
[–]Anarchojoe 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
I don't see what you're getting at? You're scared of getting in trouble for being an ancap ? There are no laws against making memes
[–]Cheerwell- trying very hard to give a fuck. 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 10時間前 (4子コメント)
Who likes pizza? Who breathes oxygen?
[–]Onetok6/Anti-Fascist /Individualist 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
This has to be at least the 1000th anti-ancap circlejerk post I have seen in my year of being on this sub, they happen on a daily basis now. It gets old, fast. Yes, an-caps are dumb, pieces of shit, move on, bitching about them every ten minutes when they don't even comprise a real movement outside of the internet gets redundant.
[–]Cheerwell- trying very hard to give a fuck. 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Me, too.
"Hey a racist/fascist/liberal said a thing, how horrifying/hilarious. lol!!"
I'm over it.
[–]existentialrobot 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
I never get tired of shitting on ayncraps. It is a necessary part of my meme therapy, which I use to help with depression. Sounds ridiculous but it's therapeutic for me, so I just roll with it.
[–]SolomonKull 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Does that pizza have cheese on it?
Does that oxygen have pollutants in it?
[–]Demonhunter115/Supporter of free speech/future revolutionary 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 10時間前 (35子コメント)
It's like going to /r/bad_cop_no_donut and asking if they dislike cops.
[–]o0MetalHead0o[S] 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 10時間前 (21子コメント)
I just needed some recognition that those people are not respected.
[–]Demonhunter115/Supporter of free speech/future revolutionary -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 10時間前 (20子コメント)
Right.
Yeah, ancaps scare me with their views.
[–]o0MetalHead0o[S] 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 10時間前 (2子コメント)
A gay person on amcap is currently arguing with me about how you shouldnt listen to (black folks) experiences, only cold hard facts.
I replied with "okay, can you show me the cold hard fact that proves you're gay"? This is where that logic leads. Its hilarious how privileged that subreddit is.
[–]AnarchoSingh 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 10時間前 (1子コメント)
As someone who has debated people on that sub on and off for over a year, I highly recommend you stay away from it as much as possible. It's a waste of time and isn't good for you.
[–]o0MetalHead0o[S] 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 10時間前 (0子コメント)
Yeah. Pretty much done now.
[–]Cheerwell- trying very hard to give a fuck. 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 10時間前* (16子コメント)
MRAs scare me with their views. Fuck off, asshole.
[–]Occupier_9000 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 8時間前 (15子コメント)
User above is an MRA?
[–]Demonhunter115/Supporter of free speech/future revolutionary -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 8時間前 (14子コメント)
I'm the one he's talking about. I post on /r/MensRights, but also to /r/feminism. I don't consider myself an MRA, I just like getting perspective from each side when a case arises.
Figured you should hear from the source.
[–]Unsociable_Socialist 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 7時間前 (9子コメント)
There aren't always two equal sides. In this case, there's only one legitimate side, and that's quite clearly feminism. The "men's rights" movement is based on the reactionary idea that society is biased against men and laws are set up to discriminate against them, despite the fact that the vast majority of positions of power are held by men and have been for centuries. It's basically just a reaction to the expansion of women's rights (although they'd never admit that).
[–]Demonhunter115/Supporter of free speech/future revolutionary 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 7時間前* (8子コメント)
I feel like the men's right sub is exactly that; a reaction to the expansion of women's rights, but none the less, it's important to know what both groups are talking about. Each sub talks about stuff I don't hear on here or on the opposite sub. It's got me thinking about equality, and how I know I'm not an MRA. Really though, my goal of frequenting both subs made me see feminism in a better light for sure.
[–]Cheerwell- trying very hard to give a fuck. -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 6時間前* (7子コメント)
You're a confused brocialist, at best. There aren't two sides. MRAs are virulent misogynists who think women are only useful as domesticated sex cattle. There is no reality in which they are a viable Other Side.
[–]crustinXbeiber 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
One side of an argument being clearly wrong doesn't mean it doesn't exist, right? It's definitely valuable to read arguments by people who disagree with you.
[–]Demonhunter115/Supporter of free speech/future revolutionary 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 6時間前 (5子コメント)
You're just dismissing it with "Oh, it's not a legit movement." That argument wouldn't fly with people who think it is.
[–]simiskaste 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
/r/mensrights is riddled with anti-feminists who aren't really interested in advancing equality, rather a platform to complain about feminism. If you want a sub that's actually dedicated to men's issues and considers feminists to be sisters in the fight for equality go to /r/MensLib
[–]Demonhunter115/Supporter of free speech/future revolutionary 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
I know /r/mensrights is riddled with anti-feminists. It bothers me, and even some other users were questioning it a little big ago. /r/MensLib isn't very active, but if you speak the truth, I'll check it out. Thanks
[–]mutokangiusanarchist without objectives 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
isn't /r/feminism run by MRAs, though?
[–]Demonhunter115/Supporter of free speech/future revolutionary 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
I don't think so. I never noticed. They don't want to ban abortions or anything, which MRA's talked about from what I saw.
[–]_saisonenenfer 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 10時間前 (6子コメント)
Is that sub good? What do you think of it?
[–]SpookyStirneritehonorary bonnot gang member 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 10時間前 (4子コメント)
Generally, yeah. They're better than reddit as a whole when it comes to race issues and black lives matter, but it's not predominately leftist or anything.
[+]njsj3i392hshwwowowne スコアが基準値未満のコメント-15ポイント-14ポイント-13ポイント 7時間前 (3子コメント)
BLM is a joke tho. The movement is 10% legit people and 90% black power racists.
[–]SpookyStirneritehonorary bonnot gang member 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 7時間前 (2子コメント)
you're not from around here are ya boy
[–]njsj3i392hshwwowowne -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 7時間前 (1子コメント)
Nope. Came here from /r/random. I take it the sub is a fan of BLM?
[–]SpookyStirneritehonorary bonnot gang member 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
Yeah, leftists in general are.
[–]Demonhunter115/Supporter of free speech/future revolutionary 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 10時間前 (0子コメント)
The sub itself? They really don't like cops. Sometimes irrationally, sometimes with good reason.
[–]Cheerwell- trying very hard to give a fuck. -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 9時間前 (4子コメント)
Like going to /r/MensRights and asking if they dislike women. Which is a thread you would respond to. Because you post there. Go away.
[–]Demonhunter115/Supporter of free speech/future revolutionary 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 9時間前 (3子コメント)
I post on /r/feminism, too. I like getting both perspectives on things that pop up.
[–]WallStreetMustDie 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 7時間前 (2子コメント)
/r/mensrights is ancaps and redpillers whining about false rape acquisitions being worse than actual rape. Sure, it's absolutely shit and can ruin your life, but it happens once a month or so in a country of 350 million.
/r/menslib talks about actual mens rights, like how it is okay to bully short men to the point of suicide, parental rights, and trans acceptance. Go there instead.
[–]Cheerwell- trying very hard to give a fuck. 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
Look at his posting history in mensrights and feminism, he's not looking for the kind of things menslib is about.
[–]hochstetterifuck, I don't know. 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
If you've spent this much time looking at this person's history, why not just quote what you find objectionable? I'm not going to read through someone's profile just to decide whether to downvote them, but reactionary comments/posts will do the talking for you, instead of bickering about whether or not they sympathize with MRAs for participating there.
[–]Deprogrammer9 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 8時間前 (0子コメント)
Did you know the sky is blue?
[–]_swv/ green anarchist / anti-facist 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 8時間前 (2子コメント)
In a way I almost feel sorry for them. Literally no one likes them. Moderates, leftists, even other anarchists. At least Muralists,collectivists, Individualists, etc get along here. (note: I ALMOST feel sorry for them).
[–]Dark_PotatoesDysphoria is the biggest spook 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
Muralists
All the walls should be painted in anarchy symbols!
[–]_swv/ green anarchist / anti-facist 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
I tip my hat to you my good sir.
[–]Sir_Marcus| SPUSA 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
"anarcho"-capitalism, were it ever implemented, would be the most authoritarian system there ever was. As it stands, the meager scrap of self-determination that average people enjoy comes from our nominally democratic government. Strip that away and we are only left with a cabal of powerful private owners dictating major aspects of the rest of our lives based solely on maximizing their own profits.
[–]SayingStuffOnReddit 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 9時間前 (1子コメント)
Who likes karma? ...
[–]PizzaRollExpert 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
You don't get karma for self-posts though
[–]thehb 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 8時間前 (0子コメント)
http://api.ning.com/files/eDHLdh4H65i*fTxIce5T57xQe8vKflLYNAptjAwG*Ufj-rc7nGfpnRZW*r8iOOxpSQPLMYNpmd8-HEYQvETbARWQxfD*5UOm/anarchocapitalism.jpg
[–]Potss 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
Everyone?
Everyone.
[–]satanic_satanist 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
As a European I always find it confusing when the word "libertarian" is used in a way that's only valid in the U.S....
Pls don't, this is an international platform!
[–]punkswcleankitchens 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
It's not worth hating
[–]zach101a2z 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7時間前 (4子コメント)
I'm subscribed there just to see the crazy stuff they say.
[–]mypersonnalreader 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 4時間前 (3子コメント)
Could you recommend some "so bad it's good" stuff they posted?
[–]zach101a2z 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
They once posted an article called "Why is The Government Out to Destroy Vaping?" and it got highly upvoted. And then there's their whole "everything is Socialism" circlejerk all the time.
[–]mypersonnalreader 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
"Why is The Government Out to Destroy Vaping?"
Sounds like a Lettuce Dog meme
[–]zach101a2z 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
VΛ
[–]PSJJJJ_Guerrilla Ontological Anarchist 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
The dark-horse will rise and consume all in an ever-surmounting orgy of ecstasy and exuberance, for the spectacle of providence knows no bounds or limitations!
[–]AgentBullet 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
It's a good thing they have way less subscribers than /r/anarchism.
[–]BlondeFlip 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Fucking, all of us. Fuck an-caps and that stupid Wiz Khalifa flag they sport
"libertarians are republicans who smoke weed" -- jello biafra
i feel like this applies to ancaps as well.
[–]FreddyBananas 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
In a lot of cases tho they're just nazis who smoke weed
[–]justinmchase 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
I hate the idea more than the sub
[–]atrlrgn_ 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Also authors of the famous the anarchist faq book series started to write that super long book, because they needed to clearly explain why ancaps aren't anarchist. That's why I assume they hate ancap a lot, otherwise they wouldn't write hundreds of pages.
[–]moisturizingsand 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
Hating or detesting some subreddit seems beyond silly to me.
[–]o0MetalHead0o[S] 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Go there
[–]Lord_Storm_CrowLibertarian Socialist -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 9時間前* (1子コメント)
As an ex-"libertarian," I think they are the worst.
Edit: Fixed it. wow, downvotes for only hating the philosophy oppose to hating people. Let the circle jerk continue :p
[–]gnuworldorder 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 9時間前 (0子コメント)
as an ex libertarian, i find what they say at minimum inane, at worst extremely dangerous.
[+]hemowshislawn スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 7時間前 (20子コメント)
ANCAP here. Is there a difference between property and possessions? What is that difference? Is violence justifiable? If so, in what situations?
Anarchists have many answers for this. Also, ancaps are real. The rest of them may be crazy, but the philosophic difference between a market anarchist and a socialist anarchist can basically be boiled all the way down to two things: differentiating property and possessions, and justifying violence.
At the heart of the philosophy ancaps don't justify violence and ancaps believe property is something that can legitimately be owned by individuals.
Socialists-anarchists justify violence and coercion, and they do not allow property ownership on an individual level, but do allow the protection of possessions on an individual level.
Honestly, any ansoc I talk to in person will let me boil things down to this and then we can have great discussions about the legitimacy of property and or violence.
I love /r/anarchism, I just wish you guys would understand the ancap philosophy as well as /r/anarcho_capitalism seems to understand your ansoc philosophy.
This is a sad post, but props to the few who commented here urging the OP to stop searching for reasons to be mad at people who they disagree with and to use a little tact and maturity when attempting to have sophisticated discussions.
[–]Light_Cavalry 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 6時間前* (2子コメント)
Is there a difference between property and possessions? What is that difference?
Yes! There is a difference. The key determination is between private property, and personal property. I know it sounds semantic, but there are meaningful differences.
Personal property is a belonging of yours that you personally use, such as clothing, a watch, a vehicle, a computer, or a home that you personally live in. Its ownership is defined by use.
Private property is instead something you own because an institution says you do, such as a factory or land that you rent. The only reason you posses it is because you have a piece of paper saying you do, but the use of it is mostly/entirely by others.
Private property is only used to exploit the labour of others to accumulate additional capital, while personal property are simple possessions that aren't used to exploit labour.
If you'd like to get a more thorough understanding of the distinction between the two, I recommend Engels' summary of Marx's Capital it's much more easily comprehensible than the original text, and gets the core points across.
Most anarchists and Marxists believe in the abolition of private property, but personal property is typically kosher (though not with everyone). The idea is that you shouldn't be able to own something that you don't actually use, so something like a factory would be owned by everyone who works there, rather than some capitalist who simply collects profits from afar.
[–]mikejc101185 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
Ancap here, makes sense. I just don't know how we get from A to B. And I can't imagine a world with out the price system.
[–]TravellerByroads 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Mutualism is the way to go!
It is another form of market anarchism.
Mutualists oppose the idea of individuals receiving an income through loans, investments, and rent, as they believe these individuals are not laboring. from wikipedia
[–]-AllIsVanity- 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
FYI, the term "market anarchists" usually means leftists, particularly mutualists, so you probably shouldn't use that term to describe anarcho-capitalists.
I think most of us understand ancap philosophy, at least as far as private property and the NAP go. We just disagree.
[–]hochstetterifuck, I don't know. 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
So you wouldn't consider defending private property a justification of violence?
[–]TravellerByroads 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間前 (1子コメント)
I think that ancaps believe that "attacking" theire private propriety is agression, and that all retaliation is justified, following theire "Non Agression Principal" (NAP).
[–]hochstetterifuck, I don't know. 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Yeah, that's why I think it's weird they were saying they don't justify violence.
[–]FantasyDuellist 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
How do you have capitalism without a state?
[–]PSJJJJ_Guerrilla Ontological Anarchist 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Or a better question: How does capitalism not (re)create the State?
[–]atlas_cucked 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
I don't think its fair to lump any anarchist group together in terms of what they believe in outside of the broad scope of that particular movement. Obviously ancaps believe in free market, syndicalists in workers collective power, etc. But I wouldn't say all anarcho-socialists agree that some forms of violence is justifiable.
[–]mypersonnalreader 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Is violence justifiable?
Asks the person whose ideology is literally based on glorification of economic violence...
[–]tripleyump 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5時間前 (5子コメント)
I just wish you guys would understand the ancap philosophy as well as /r/anarcho_capitalism seems to understand your ansoc philosophy.
What? Most ancaps don't know anything about anarchism.
[–]mikejc101185 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 5時間前 (4子コメント)
Maybe not. But it is difficult. Every Most time I come here I get down voted and insulted. I was banned from r/socialist for a comment just like this one. I try hard to listen to points of view that runs contrary to my thinking.
[–]tripleyump 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
It's probably that people are either offended by your comment or they'll just ignore it. Personally I just ignore it because to me, it looks like troll bait. I'm not saying it is but at a glance that's what it looks like to me.
The very assumptions you make at the beginning of your post are just blatantly wrong, from an anarchist perspective. Anarchists (left anarchists, ancaps are anarchists in name only) are against all forms of hierarchies, of which capitalism is one. Hierarchy and property are forms of violence, and in opposing violence violence is justified.
Violence is not justified in convincing people that you're right or oppressing people, only when countering violence. (that's my opinion, and I think it's shared by most anarchists) Capitalism uses violence in all kinds of situations in order to enforce it's will and oppress the poor. A classic example being people too poor to afford food being left to starve to death, or workers forced to accept dangerous jobs and poor working conditions in order to not become one of those starving people (hence not voluntary associations).
The very assumptions you make at the beginning of your post are just blatantly wrong
An ancap got anarchism wrong. No one is surprised!
[–]atlas_cucked 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
yeah but the free market bro
[–]TravellerByroads 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Do you know about the anarchist FAQ?
[–]broke-from-the-womb|| anarchist communist 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Ancaps justify violence too, their ideology just shrouds it in moralism so it sounds like righteous self-defense.
Which isn't all that different than what anarchists do, but left analysis of the social relationships surrounding market interactions tends to be better (esp in relation to land).
[–]mutokangiusanarchist without objectives 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
yeah because people starving to death because they don't have money isn't violent
[–]mikejc101185 -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Well said
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