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This is a megathread for all immigration related submissions. If you have any links to interesting reporting, opinion pieces or data about any type of immigration, put it in a comment in this thread and a mod will sweep through periodically to add it to the OP for extra attention. Any submissions about immigration posted to the rest of the sub will be removed and directed here. This thread will be renewed every day or two, or whenever it reached approximately 500 comments (which is why we are using the /u/ModeratorsOfEurope account; so different mods can log in at different times and edit the OP).
Why is this happening?
Over the past few months immigration submissions have become more and more common. So common, in fact, that they are drowning out any other form of original discussion or links to other interesting events in Europe. With that in mind, in the same vein as the Grisis threads from a few weeks ago, and the UK and Greek election threads of this year, we are providing a focus point for all immigration discussion and links. We hope that this will both allow a much more comprehensive discussion of immigration, rather than 10 individual, isolated discussions covering the same topic everyday.
You may interpret this however you like, and you can discuss whether making this megathread is a good idea, but all we ask is that you keep it within this thread.

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[–]singhlike 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
can anyone tell me how easy canadian immigration for indian?
[–]Arudas 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Oh my. Lots of new stories the other day. Many in jolly ole' England.
PVV is the biggest party in the Netherlands: https://twitter.com/geertwilderspvv/status/625992163600543744
Islamic group urges UK government to ban Draw Mohammed contest. Saying a civil war will happen: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/07/27/je-ne-suis-pas-charlie-tory-backed-hard-left-org-urges-uk-govt-to-ban-draw-muhammed-competition/
^ the moderators would love these guys.
Three Year Old targeted for surveillance, because of ISIS or something: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/594217/Islamic-State-Isis-terror-British-child-extremism-Syria-Iraq
^ so spying is okay but closing borders is insane. Got it.
A German pro-refugee politician escape his bomb being blown up: http://www.turkishweekly.net/2015/07/28/news/germany-pro-refugee-politician-escapes-bomb-attack/
Study says Christian population in the Middle East is dropping: http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.668174
^ if we cared about helping we would prioritize them. But we don't, because our politicians are not trying to do good but rather get votes.
^ and Europeans say America is a budding police state
Israeli "opens Sweden's eyes" to anti-semitism: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.667887
^ Pretty sure Sweden ignores all immigrant criminality, not just against Jews.
Do me a favor and google "Christian Rape Gangs." The results will shock you.
[–]IrelandAl_Cohol 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
"The only way to increase freedom and stop Fascism and Racism is to make sure everyone believes the approved line and doesn't question the mods." - Mods
[–]United KingdomTsubouchi 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
Isn't it time we had a new containment thread, /u/ModeratorsOfEurope?
We're well above 500 replies.
[–]United KingdomFrankeh 17 points18 points19 points  (3 children)
How can mods justify this when:
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Never seen a sticky so heavily downvoted.
[–]Lithuania - FederalistShirinator 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
There was one sticky a couple of months ago, the one with new rules... It was downvoted to hell.
And then there was a megathred on French terror attacks... Where every article was in French and english submisions were deleted.
[–]United KingdomFrankeh 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Maybe I should have specified.
Never seen a sticky so heavily downvoted, apart from in /r/europe..
Seriously, why are our mods so fucking shitty?
[–]Scottish Socialist Republiccb43569 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
The mods here are obviously just as evil as in /r/Scotland. ;)
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    [–]European Union/Hungarypolymute 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    You can even go over to Voat, I hear they love free speach enthusiasts.
    [–]European Uniontrojan_paris 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
    You can go to /r/euromigration. We are a pro free speech sub. Leftist, centrist, rightist, communist, nihilist, you can all join! All topics should pertain to immigration in Europe.
    [–]OracleJDBC 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    That will bring some funny discussion, for sure.
    [–]Germanyjozef7 21 points22 points23 points  (8 children)
    meanwhile there are anti immigration marches everyday in Germany now. I blame the politicians to not adress this issue enough. They will pay the price in the next elections. AfD will be in the parliament 100%.
    [–]Slesvig-HolstenAnderopolis 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
    It really is a shame that they won´t even try to respond to so many people, instead they are ignoring the issue out of fear for bad pulbicity.
    [–]Germanyjozef7 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
    the states don't even get enough money to support all the immigrants. this will end bad.
    [–]Slesvig-HolstenAnderopolis 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    It already is bad, without a comprehensive solution, attacked asylum centers will be the least of our worries.
    [–]German Ministry of CensorshipTheBeerCannon 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
    AfD is tearing itself apart right now.
    [–]GermanyCieloRoto 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
    They are also polling worse than ever now. A few month ago they always polled at 5-6 %, now it's mostly 3-4 %.
    [–]Germanyjozef7 comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (2 children)
    those polls are not realistic. most people don't got asked how they will vote. me neither.
    [–]GermanyCieloRoto 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    Yes, they are, that's why they are called representative. See here for a more in-depth explanation of how this works.
    [–]Sleswig-Holsteenbarsoap 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    That's not how statistics works.
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      [–]Romaniacilica 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      You are trying to hard to be edgy.
      [–]European Uniontrojan_paris 15 points16 points17 points  (1 child)
      Well since I got permission to, I'd like to give a shoutout to my new sub, /r/euromigration. It's a subreddit dedicated to discussing all things immigration in Europe. I think /r/europe putting all things immigration into a single meta-thread kind of clutters things up.
      [–]European Unionemk2203 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      Divide et impera.
      -- Caesar
      [–]SmokinDragon3 23 points24 points25 points  (6 children)
      Finally the mods of /r/europe have publically shown their true colors, and the 'sanitation of wrong opinions' can commence.
      First they came for the immigration-sceptics. Next stop an EU-Sceptics megathread? A Euro-sceptics megathread?
      Once all the dissident opinions have been purged and the echo chamber established, the remaining redditors can congratulate themselves on 100% support for a common EU identity with no regional differences and a common political identity. Just a common indistinguishable bland EU drone.
      [–]Hungarycocojumbo123 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
      Just a common indistinguishable bland EU drone
      Nah, we can still post cats and Polandballs ;)
      [–]peelin comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (2 children)
      jesus I can taste the UKIP through my monitor
      [–]The Netherlandspiwikiwi 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      You are not supposed to it eat it;)
      [–]European/British CitizenLimitlessLTD -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
      He's got 2 posts on his account history, and going from this one I'd say you are exactly right. Just some dumb kipper that likes to spread fear and hate whilst creating strawmen for himself to argue against. Nothing to see here, move along.
      [–]Norci 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
      Christ, if you are going to argue against their approach, at least make some sense. They are not purging "wrong" opinions, they are combining all discussions about immigration, pro or against, into one thread because those topics been taking over content of europe which should likely offer more than debate on immigration.
      So yeah, if threads about say EU-Sceptics or EU beer selection makes up for majority of threads in a sub, it is appropriate to do something about it.
      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
      .
      [–]EnglandOsgood_Schlatter 25 points26 points27 points  (2 children)
      It'd be better to do what /r/worldnews did and apply a filter, as they did with Ukraine/Russia. The migration stories are taking up a lot of room because there are so many of them in the news, and they deserve different discussions. Problems with the Channel tunnel shouldn't be grouped with Finnish government issues, Mediterranean drownings and the Syria crisis, they all deserve separate discussions.
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        [–]European/British CitizenLimitlessLTD 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
        Once they've made every mistake possible, they'll have the perfect sub!
        [–]CZESRSLikesMe 16 points17 points18 points  (3 children)
        "Angry Foreigner" talks reasonably and mostly factually about the state of affairs in Sweden. Mainly covers overblown immigration and rape.
        [–]DasND comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (1 child)
        [–]CZESRSLikesMe 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
        Sarcasm is not mutually exclusive with reason.
        He says himself that his parents are immigrants and he's grateful to be able to live in Sweden. He does however argue against too much immigration, and he does have a problem with that idea being considered "racist". If you think that's anti-immigration, then sure.
        EDIT: Replied to /u/DasND's comment before he/she edited it. Sorry if it doesn't seem to make sense now.
        [–]United KingdomDokky 14 points15 points16 points  (4 children)
        Immigration discussion contained.
        There.
        'see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil'
        50 (+6) countries, 230 languages, 743M people… 1 subreddit.
        [–]EUIt_Is1-24PM 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
        1 subreddit
        ... ein volk ....
        [–]United KingdomDokky 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
        ... ein Reich ...
        [–]EUIt_Is1-24PM 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
        ... ein mod
        [–]REAGAN-SMASH 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
        Sieg...
        [–][deleted]  (5 children)
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          [–]European Union/Hungarypolymute -5 points-4 points-3 points  (3 children)
          Thanks for your high quality contribution.
          [–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points  (2 children)
          Thanks for your high quality contribution.
          [–]European/British CitizenLimitlessLTD 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          Thanks for my high quality contribution.
          [–]European Union/Hungarypolymute 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          Thanks a lot for your quality CTRL-C / CTRL-V.
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            [–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points  (5 children)
            Being brigaded by /r/GULAG? You mean by all twelve subscribers that are active right now?
            [–]james7721 -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
            no need the mods thought it ok to remove my comment
            [–]Scottish Socialist Republiccb43569 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
            Surely we'd be brigaded by /r/FULLCOMMUNISM if anyone?
            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
            The comrades from /r/FULLCOMMUNISM could help us to /r/GULAG every reactionary on this sub, so no problem with that comrade.
            [–]Germanyladadadas 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
            10 of them Redditors from here checking out what kind of sub that is.
            [–]whenthepostmanring 1 point2 points3 points  (7 children)
            Finally, more copypaste comments. Just what this subreddit needs.
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                [–]European Union/Hungarypolymute -3 points-2 points-1 points  (2 children)
                Maybe because it's copypasta spam, just as that one a few posts up crying persecution before the spam is.
                [–]james7721 -3 points-2 points-1 points  (1 child)
                i personally made this try to find it elsewhere if its copypasta
                [–]European Union/Hungarypolymute -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                Ladies and gentlemen: we are witnessing the birth of the (not at all) elusive far-right copypasta live on reddit! Stay tuned for more.
                [–]james7721 -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
                i personally compiled all this go find it somewhere else if you think its spam
                [–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
                SWEDEN YES
                [–]Hungarycocojumbo123 47 points48 points49 points  (38 children)
                I don't get it. If someone is against immigration, is that making him/her automatically racist ?
                [–]fuck TTIPcsehszlovakze 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                According to libtards? Most definitely.
                Everyone else would say no.
                [–]Lahfinger comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (7 children)
                Being against immigration is actually racism in its most literal sense. Even being against too much of it would be racism - who decides when it's too much, basing on what?
                Let's say you are a German living in Germany and an Indian engineer wants to work in Munich. If you are against immigration you won't let him enter your country, not because of his personal behaviours but only because of his ethnic origin.
                I am not arguing whether it's right or wrong - this kind of racism is to a certain degree innate in the human being and I admit I have it too, at least sometimes. But it's still racism.
                Calling for a better regulation and management of immigration is another question.
                [–]trevoris 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
                Please don't sit on your high horse and finger wag at people for being 'racist'. This attitude of self-righteousness only exists in the West, and it is what is causing this problem in the first place. Most other countries are unashamedly ethnocentric, China even promotes eugenics. I know your trying to do "the right thing" and be self-righteous, but you and the people who lead most European countries are dragging their citizens down in an effort to not look racist and win social brownie points.
                The reason that a country should not allow 1000 Indian engineers to immigrate is because a good country's job is to promote its own citizens, and mass immigration would drive down the wages for its own citizens and make it harder for them to find work. It also causes a litany of social problems that are obvious.
                [–]Belgiummatiasve 5 points6 points7 points  (4 children)
                How is being against too much immigration racism?
                [–]Lahfinger -2 points-1 points0 points  (3 children)
                Again, let's say you are a German living in Germany and a thousand of Indian engineers want to work in Munich.
                You say that one of them wouldn't be a problem but a thousand of them would be (a thousand is an example). Why one is ok and a thousand is not ok? Where is the limit? Who sets it? If all the engineers in the world wanted to move to Germany, would you say they are too much and why?
                [–]Belgiummatiasve 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
                Are there enough jobs in Munich for a 1000 Indian engineers in your example?
                [–]Lahfinger 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
                I don't know, but I believe the answer should be based on hard data.
                Also, one usually moves to a place where there's a job for him (at least potentially). I don't believe an educated person would move to another country randomly.
                [–]Swabiagenitaliban 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                I don't know, but I believe the answer should be based on hard data.
                So you're a racist, following your logic? Or would that data just not change your opinion? Because you seem to be saying they should be allowed in no matter what. Just letting in qualified people is the Canadian system... which has been called racist on this sub before as well. It's far to the right of the people you're arguing against.
                [–]Scottish Socialist Republiccb43569 comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (12 children)
                They tend to go hand-in-hand.
                Generally speaking, most of the anti-immigration comments here are not arguing against migration on economic or sustainability terms - they're using white nationalist arguments that say (predominantly Muslim) immigrants overwhelmingly commit crimes, rape white women, etc. to whip up xenophobia. This is the principal issue.
                [–]sachalamp 7 points8 points9 points  (11 children)
                [...] (predominantly Muslim) immigrants overwhelmingly commit crimes, rape white women, etc.[...] This is the principal issue.
                Yes, that is the principal issue. It's good we agree on that.
                [–]Scottish Socialist Republiccb43569 comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (10 children)
                Thanks for helping make my case. Same old xenophobic bullshit, then.
                [–]GermanyCieloRoto 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                /u/sachalamp is also a poster on /r/coontown so I doubt you will have much success convincing him that not all muslims are murderers and rapists
                [–]sachalamp 2 points3 points4 points  (7 children)
                I know right? I'm so xenophobic for trying to protect people from crimes, rapes and stop the destruction of social cohesion.
                [–]Scottish Socialist Republiccb43569 -3 points-2 points-1 points  (6 children)
                Thank God the "indigenous" and "native" peoples of Europe don't commit crime or rape.
                [–]sachalamp 4 points5 points6 points  (5 children)
                So if there's crime and rape already, your solution is to bring more crime and rape cause it doesn't matter anyway since it already happens.
                That's like saying I don't mind holding this burning coal in my hand, I already got burnt by boiling water.
                Top kek.
                [–]pandiculater -3 points-2 points-1 points  (4 children)
                Can you actually prove that immigrant communities commit more crime than the average white person? I'm inclined to think it's less and also to think you've never actually lived in an area with a lot of immigrants. If they commit less on average we should bring them all over and replace all the white people.
                Or you know, maybe look at the reasons people commit crime, and stop being so ridiculous as to think that people are destined to be criminals.
                [–]Slesvig-HolstenAnderopolis 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
                Well, according to this in denmark, and this in germany immigrants do commit crimes way beyond their percentage of the population. The reason is not in any way their skincolor, bur rather their culture, and societal strata they occupy.
                [–]pandiculater -3 points-2 points-1 points  (2 children)
                I find that all these ridiculous things about black people are criminals and immigrants are criminals boil down to one thing, people that don't have much are more likely to commit crime to get more (i.e. what they perceive as their fair share).
                Pretty simple really, but it takes all the fun out of hating people.
                [–]CopenhagenSeefor 4 points5 points6 points  (6 children)
                No, I favour strict immigration rules myself. Unfortunately many here seem to just be straight up anti-Muslim, demonizing all Muslims on account of the minority of them who are - admittedly - more unemployed and criminal than other minority groups.
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                    [–]Czechiaferoslav 8 points9 points10 points  (2 children)
                    Yeah, I'm sorry that I'm not using anecdotal evidience and instead of that I present statistics and hard data. I'm sure that you know personaly thousands of muslims to have better idea about their beliefs than respectable institutions doing scientific studies.
                    Also, I'm sure that dismissing my opinion on basis of my nationality is racist or something. I can't change where I was born. However, muslims chose what they believe, so if there is a racist, it's you.
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                      [–]Czechiaferoslav 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                      You can wave your cherry picked statistics and hard data all about,
                      Cherry picked? Wut? Are all these studies also cherry picked? http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Opinion-Polls.htm I love how you completely dismiss studies from one of the most reputable socilogical institution as cherry picked and yet you don't offer anything else beside anecdotal evidence and feelings.
                      it doesn't change the fact that what you're doing is demonizing thousands upon thousands of European Muslims who live amongst us as law abiding citizens and participants in our democracy.
                      This is not true, I don't demonize those thousands upon thousands of European Muslims who live amongst us as law abiding citizens, I'm speaking about millions who don't.
                      God, you're a ridiculous and hateful person.
                      What's hateful on stating facts? You are the one who is berating someone based on his origin, I'm criticising beliefs.
                      [–]Bitching per $ is way too high in Europejtalin 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                      No.
                      [–]Jyllandknud 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
                      No. But if your party makes posters like this, then you might be a racist.
                      [–]United Kingdomthebeginningistheend 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
                      That's a swiss poster. I thought we were talking about europe?
                      [–]Jyllandknud 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
                      Switzerland is in Europe and have bilateral agreements with EU, so free movement of people applies there too.
                      [–]United Kingdomthebeginningistheend comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (0 children)
                      Is joke. Ha ha very funny.
                      [–]European Union/Hungarypolymute 10 points11 points12 points  (2 children)
                      Where have you read anything in the OP that made you think that?
                      [–]Hungarycocojumbo123 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                      Sorry for not being clear, that was my impression based on many replies and not based on op, since it's a megathread I decided to ask this on the parent
                      [–]German Ministry of CensorshipTheBeerCannon 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                      No. Saying racist things makes somebody a racist. And that happens a lot on reddit.
                      [–]Dublin, Irelandcormacwanderers comment score below threshold-23 points-22 points-21 points  (22 children)
                      Some of the Anti-Immigration eejits don't some to realise that before all of this new immigration to Europe that Europeans continually left to other nations such as Canada, Argentina, The US, Australia etc. Some of them even say "If the Muslims take over Europe, I'm moving to the US" and stuff like that. Then YOU are an immigrant in another country.
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                        [–]ItalyHJonGoldrake 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                        Why is this infantile "ha gotcha!" crap at the top of the thread?
                        Because you are reading it in the suggested sorting (new) and this was the youngest top-level comment in the thread when you read it.
                        [–]Dublin, Irelandcormacwanderers 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
                        I'm pretty sure there are loads of far-right bots on here that have nothing to do so they just keep commenting on reddit.
                        [–]EnglandCressCrowbits 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                        ^ this guy has literally never posted on this sub before, and most of his posts are all edgy anti 'sjw' rants. Yeah we're being brigaded. Ironic that much of his posts are about sjws brigading.
                        [–]European Union/Hungarypolymute 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                        majority has spoken
                        Rather the brigading internet-warrior onslaught is inundiating this thread.
                        It makes some sense that those with far-right views would have more time to shout about the isssue since they are much more unlikely to have higher socio-economical status (that is to say a lot of them is jobless and subsisting off the state, or only part-time employed).
                        [–]whenthepostmanring -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
                        Are you young out-of-touch pro-multiculturalists going to give in already?
                        Found another one.
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                        [–]Irelandmalicious_turtle 16 points17 points18 points  (8 children)
                        The difference is that a poor person from, say, Ireland is vastly more educated and open minded than a poor person from Somalia. It doesn't take much for an Irish person to adjust to life in America, England, Australia etc. Someone coming from a war torn country won't be able to do it that easily.
                        [–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points  (4 children)
                        You should have been there a hundred years ago when the Irish moved to the States, almost exactly the same rhetoric was used against them as is now against the muslims: 'Those dirty drunk catholic white n*gger scum be destroying our murica!!'
                        [–]Irelandmalicious_turtle -2 points-1 points0 points  (3 children)
                        ...I know, most of my Aunties and Uncles moved to America and England between the 1920s and 50s, what's your point?
                        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                        Just as the problems in the US had nothing to do with the Irish being catholic, non-Anglo Saxon, or drunks, Europe's problems in the Banlieu, the inner cities of Amsterdam, Brussel and Malmö have nothing to do with 'islamic culture' or whatever is meant with that. My comment was sort of off topic in the context of your comment, but I just wanted to point out that if we want to solve Europe's problems with muslim youth, it is folly to only focus on religion or 'culture', just like it was with the Irish.
                        [–]Dublin, Irelandcormacwanderers -3 points-2 points-1 points  (2 children)
                        But many of the people coming from Syria are well-educated with university degrees.
                        [–]Irelandmalicious_turtle 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                        If they're highly educated I don't think anyone except neo nazis would have a problem with them.
                        [–]whenthepostmanring comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (42 children)
                        I say we close the borders of this sub. These migrants from /r/coontown, /r/whiterights and /r/european don't integrate or assimilate into our civilized culture. Their background is just too radically different to work among our Western society.
                        [–]IrelandAl_Cohol 0 points1 point2 points  (30 children)
                        The reason that /r/European is so full of "Racists" as many people claim is that because you can get banned here in /r/Europe for even criticizing Immigration and so they have no where else to go than /r/European which leads to this sub being full of people who are pro immigration and the other sub being full of those who are against it.
                        As a matter of fact I have a feeling I'll even be banned for this post.
                        [–]capri_stylee 6 points7 points8 points  (29 children)
                        "First off I'd like to ask you to shut up. Second I'd like to remind you that your so-called religion of peace is nothing but a savage cult that has no place in Europe and especially not in the Nordic countries. I suggest you take your rags and your rag wearing women, pack your backs and ride a camel back to wherever the fuck you came from. We don't want you, we don't need you and we definitely don't want to pay for your savagery."
                        This is a quote from the creator of /r/european, /u/ramblinrambo.
                        Here's another quote from another mod: /u/evilwhiteoppressor...
                        "What's wrong with Coontown? It doesn't really advocate for any system outside of sending all blacks to their home in Africa."
                        These took 3 minutes to find, if i looked deeper I'm sure I'd find a lot more unpleasent shit.
                        People think /r/european is a shithole for racists because, well, it is. The mods set the tone, and the users blindly follow whatever dog-whistle they are blowing that day.
                        [–]IrelandAl_Cohol -1 points0 points1 point  (28 children)
                        So you're saying "Guilt by association"?
                        I like it, that sub has what, 4,500 subs (EDIT: Dayum it's 5.1k thats 600 since I last checked ~3 days ago) and how many comments do most posts get? usually under 100.
                        As with any group the radicals are the most vocal, those quotes don't prove anything.
                        Also, why should anyone listen to a communist who advocates the murder of people with different political views and pushes for social conflict as demonstrated by this post.
                        Comments section and sub of the post here.
                        [–]capri_stylee 0 points1 point2 points  (27 children)
                        I'm saying that /r/european is /r/coontoon for people that are too afraid to admit their racism, so they dress it up as anti-immigration, or just straight up Islamophobia.
                        [–]IrelandAl_Cohol 1 point2 points3 points  (26 children)
                        well then we disagree at the most basic level.
                        [–]capri_stylee 0 points1 point2 points  (25 children)
                        No shit sherlock.
                        [–]IrelandAl_Cohol 2 points3 points4 points  (24 children)
                        since you're a violent communist, I don't know why I expected an intelligent argument.
                        [–]capri_stylee -1 points0 points1 point  (23 children)
                        Didn't you get the message the first time?
                        [–]IrelandAl_Cohol 1 point2 points3 points  (22 children)
                        "I support class war, I'm a communist I'm such a tough guy, come at me capitalist righty shitlord I'm ready to defend the workers!"
                        [–]Scottish Socialist Republiccb43569 14 points15 points16 points  (8 children)
                        The fact that a number of people in this thread are, with varying degrees of jest, comparing European immigration with being brigaded by /r/coontown is so outrageously disingenuous that it beggars belief.
                        [–]EnglandCressCrowbits -5 points-4 points-3 points  (5 children)
                        Yeah at least immigrants generally contribute at least something of value.
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                          [–]Scottish Socialist Republiccb43569 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
                          Shouldn't you be busy running a US presidential campaign?
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                            [–]Scottish Socialist Republiccb43569 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
                            Procrastinating at work.
                            [–]United Kingdomthebeginningistheend 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                            Immigrants don't procrastinate. You'd better put your head down matey.
                            [–]whenthepostmanring comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (1 child)
                            Is joke, tovarish. Why you heff to be mad?
                            [–]Scottish Socialist Republiccb43569 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                            Someone else made a similar comment here that wasn't a joke.
                            [–]itisatravesty 18 points19 points20 points  (0 children)
                            /r/europe's immigration policy is well-enforced, accounts who don't assimilate are banned and their comments deleted.
                            [–]🇫🇷 La France — cocorico !dClauzel comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (0 children)
                            Huhu 😁
                            [–][deleted] comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points  (13 children)
                            The immigrants who now live here, as well as their children and grandchildren, who all have been living here for many years are already part of Europe. They're not going away, so you better get used to it. Yes, mistakes were made in the past, but we now all share a future, so let's make sure we continue to work on this future.
                            Edit:
                            Just to be clear, I'm speaking of the immigrants who have been living in Europe for at least the last thirty to fifty years. So about the Pakistani's in Britain, the Maroccans in The Netherlands, the Algerians in France, the Congolese in Belgium, and the Turks in Germany. When talking about the current wave of immigrants/refugees in Europe the immigrant groups that have been living in Europe for about half a century also happen to become a topic of discussion. This is why I thought it was relevent to note that these immigrants (even though we're now also speaking about these immigrants children and grandchildren, so these aren't even immigrants) have become a part of Europe, and are not going away.
                            [–]james7721 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
                            this is a discussion on immigration rite now not 30 yeas ago
                            people entering europe over the last few years/months
                            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
                            Yet your other comment was about immigrants who arrived in Europe (Malmö to be specific) about thirty to fifty years ago.
                            [–]james7721 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                            there have not been muslim no go zones for thirty to fifty years
                            its this new wave that's going in a causing all this damage
                            slow controlled immigration with properly planned integration is beneficial
                            allowing floods of migrants into nations is bad and will cause damage
                            there is not even enough housing for the people that are allready there
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                              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points  (6 children)
                              I was speaking of the immigrants and their children who already live Europe, and have been for at least the last fifty years. Don't think this can be considered a demographic crisis.
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                                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
                                Last time I checked half the posts on this thread were about refugees, as well as the Pakistani's and muslims (in general) whom both have been living in Europe for at least half a century. So I think my comment was very on topic.
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                                  [–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
                                  I thought we were also talking about Eritreans and West-Africans, whom are both mostly Christians.
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                                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                                    Just note this:
                                    I thought we were also talking about Eritreans and West-Africans
                                    Did I say there were no muslims part of the refugee wave? Or did I say that a lot of a refugees are also christian?
                                    [–]itisatravesty 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
                                    absolutely. the discord seems to be over the question how much additional immigration should happen, who should immigrate.
                                    [–]United States of Americawadcann 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
                                    There was another submission with many references here: "Blast Damages Pro-Immigrant German Councilor's Car".
                                    [–]ItalyTheHammerstein comment score below threshold-34 points-33 points-32 points  (72 children)
                                    Immigration is happening for one and one only reason: the West.
                                    For too many years all the western countries have been literally "raping" Africa to get its resources and destroying the Middle East with several useless economical wars. That's the problem and the solution is actually as easy as it seem: we need to stop this.
                                    [–]Belgiummatiasve 11 points12 points13 points  (5 children)
                                    have been literally "raping" Africa
                                    This makes absolutely no sense and that's partially because you combine 'literally' with "_____". That's like saying you literally "ate" a cake... it makes no sense.
                                    Anyway, do you honestly think that those places would improve if the West pulled out entirely? You think the Middle East is suddenly going to care about stuff like Gay and Woman's Rights? Or that African nations will suddenly stop being corrupt?
                                    Is there perhaps a specific way you want the West to interact with the Middle East and/or Africa instead? (please be more specific and not say stuff like 'more honest' or 'more ethical' because those words have 10 000 meanings and 0 at the same time in politics, especially international politics)
                                    [–]ItalyTheHammerstein -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                                    I'll make an example, so you can understand what I mean. In 1978, before the Islamic Revolution, in Iran women could drive, vote, weren't obliged to wear the veil, and there were no hate or wars between shia and sunni. After the Islamic Revolution, which was wanted by the US and the UK because they wanted to keep control on the Iranian Oil Company (which was nationalized by the Iranian shah). What were the consequences? Well, Iran today.
                                    Unfortunately, there's no way the Western countries can immediately solve the problem today, as years and years of useless wars have really fucked up the situation. In my opinion now we need to step away from there with our soldjers and let civil people do what they want to do. Revolutions start from the people, not from the US.
                                    [–]Currently living outside the unionjugdemon 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
                                    First, literally has two meanings, so the use is acceptable because it does not only take on the second meaning.
                                    While I may misinterpret the author of the post you refer to, I think he did not mean to abandon any country but to stop abusing our advantageous position. We shaped most of the current problems by our treatment of the respective regions over the last 200 years. From genocide in Rwanda to the administrative division in the middle East the European powers had their fingers at the root causes. For instance most modern forms of Islam we are currently struggling with (whether the Mullahs in Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood over the Middle east to the most radical IS) originate with Muslim Scholars of the late 19th century that fought against colonial powers.
                                    I have a problem with the additude that the savages can't be help and the following attempt to absolve oneself from any responsibility.
                                    As for your last question: A good first step would be to be less patronising. Western politician mostly act as if all there problems are home-cooked (which many surely are, but not all).
                                    Next up would investment in African infrastructure which would most likely allow more people there to stay in their country - especially the economically driven migrants.
                                    Another issues are current trade agreements with Africa where tariffs hinder them from building up an economy. If the tariffs were removed (like Clinton did already in his Africa policy), they could grow more as well.
                                    Next up is abusing of the fishing policy where European ships empty African waters and crush the local fishing business thereby worsening their economic situation.
                                    These things are just the beginning, I could name many more simple and effective policies, but you should get the gist.
                                    We have the tools in our hand to fight economic migration at its root but we choose to ignore it and utter xenophobic propaganda instead.
                                    [–]ItalyTheHammerstein 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                                    Thanks, finally someone who actually understands.
                                    [–]Belgiummatiasve 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
                                    Muhammad was literally a warlord who spread his faith by the sword.
                                    Next up would investment in African infrastructure which would most likely allow more people there to stay in their country - especially the economically driven migrants.
                                    Most African nations are incredibly corrupt. Unless you find a way to empower the people there without them becoming dependent on the West, there is not much point in trusting their political leaders to actually use our aid to help their people.
                                    [–]Currently living outside the unionjugdemon 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                    While I wouldn't use literally that way it's still correct usage.
                                    It is easy not to act. Therefore Europe is leaving the infrastructure business up to China which builds highways, trail roads, electricity grids, power plants and airports all over the place. The excuse that because of corruption infrastructure cannot be improved is far fetched and wrong. See China as you like but there economic interest in Africa has done more for their infrastructure than Western aid programs. If people have economic opportunity they will demand less corruption over time, but if we keep them in economic starvation the populous will never be able to fight corruption on their on. On the brick of survival one has other worries.
                                    I did not save to give foreign aid - I said to invest in infrastructure. I am talking about cofinancing highways, train tracks etc. And before I am misunderstood I also don't mean to do these things for free but under the usual economic assumptions.
                                    [–]tccl2 6 points7 points8 points  (10 children)
                                    i or my children will not be held responsible for what some fucking politician in a foreign nation does
                                    [–]ItalyTheHammerstein comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (9 children)
                                    I don't know where you're from, but I'm not talking about you or your children, I'm talking about governments.
                                    [–]tccl2 4 points5 points6 points  (8 children)
                                    so the rest of europe should be held responsible for the action of these
                                    The European nations that were involved in colonizing Africa included:
                                    1. Great Britain.
                                    2. France.
                                    3. Belgium
                                    4. Germany.
                                    5. Italy.
                                    6. Portugal.
                                    7. Spain.
                                    this sins of the father bs you libs are on is stupid if a child's father kills, robs, steals, ect the child shares no responsibility
                                    and the people in europe today are not responsible for the actions of others taken generations ago there was no vote on the war in the middle east either
                                    its the people the will be impacted not the government the would only love a larger tax base un checked immigration if let continue will destroy european nations identity's in generations to come
                                    im irish my country never invaded, colonized, anyone we were the ones invaded, colonized, enslaved and part of our nation is still occupied today
                                    yet we are meant to share some responsibility for the actions of the nation that did that to us because we are a western nation
                                    [–]ItalyTheHammerstein 1 point2 points3 points  (7 children)
                                    I hope you'll get Norther Ireland back one day, but unfortunately that's how it works. You may have not colonized anyone, but you're still part of the EU, which means that you'll get the consequences of what those nations you named did. Look it this way, say that the EU is a family, if the father loses all the money at the casino, the whole family will suffer from it. That's just an example, what I wanted to say is that the moment you are part of the EU, unfortunately you have to share those things.
                                    [–]tccl2 -1 points0 points1 point  (6 children)
                                    hopefully the eu gets disbanded soon so
                                    [–]ItalyTheHammerstein 1 point2 points3 points  (5 children)
                                    You can always leave the EU if you think you can survive alone.
                                    [–]tccl2 -2 points-1 points0 points  (4 children)
                                    The eu elections in 2014 saw a big anti-Establishment vote in favour of eurosceptic parties taking around 25% of the seats available
                                    next go around it will be far higher and then we can all end it amicably
                                    and we can go back to the trade bloc
                                    [–]ItalyTheHammerstein 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
                                    You're right, but I prefer to change things in better instead of destroying. You're being egoistic right now. The EU is a great opportunity for everyone to become the next US, we just need to think as a one instead of as 28 different countries.
                                    [–]tccl2 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
                                    the next US
                                    o hell no
                                    this is our home land
                                    the us is a far different beast entirely comprised of immigrants
                                    and that's why they want to flood europe with migrants to achieve just that after the demographic change that will take place after a few generations
                                    this mass immigration is a direct attack on the sovereignty of european nations and their peoples
                                    the political elite want it and the native people don't
                                    this is just another empire and it will fall just like the others have
                                    [–]wonglik 16 points17 points18 points  (31 children)
                                    Oh please not with this guilt trap again. Can you explain what exactly Sweden or Hungary did to the Middle East that they deserve to be overrun by refugees now? As far as I am concerned may ex colonial power still have cordial relations with their ex colonies. Portugal and Angola seems to be on good terms as far as I know. France and Mali seems ok to me too.
                                    Let's not put any problem in Africa and Middle East into one colonial basket ok?
                                    [–]ItalyTheHammerstein comment score below threshold-11 points-10 points-9 points  (30 children)
                                    Put it this way, Portugal and Angola may have a perfect relationship. Portugal, though, "stole" Angola natural resources, resulting in Angola being poor. Sweden and Hungary may have no fault, but that's not the problem. They need to be overrun by refugees because immigration is an European problem and, as long as they're part of the EU, they're required to help.
                                    [–]Franceloulan 2 points3 points4 points  (9 children)
                                    Portugal, though, "stole" Angola natural resources, resulting in Angola being poor.
                                    Dude you REALLY overestimate the importance of natural resources. Other than oil, natural resources don't make you rich, far from it, they're minimal in terms of value in your GDP/exports if your country is sufficiently developed, manufactured goods and services have way more value. Countries that rely mostly on exporting natural resources (other than oil) are poor. Northern European nations got rich without stealing resources from anyone. Germany barely had any colonies, and it's rich now. Spain stole more gold and silver than anybody else, and it's struggling now. It's not like in general, Europe countries that had colonies got richer than countries that didn't. And if you look at Africa, Ethiopia was never really colonized and it's not richer than other African countries that got colonized for centuries...
                                    [–]ItalyTheHammerstein -1 points0 points1 point  (8 children)
                                    When Spain stole those resources, it was one of the strongest Empire in the world competing with the UK, another "resources stealer".
                                    Oh and btw, Ethiopia was colonized by Italy, with Eritrea and Somalia. And has no resource at all.
                                    I don't overestimate the importance of natural resources, for a country they are really important, otherwise there was no need to colonize them, right?
                                    [–]Belgiummatiasve 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
                                    You can't do much with a natural resource if you don't know how to use it.
                                    [–]ItalyTheHammerstein 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                                    Again, you can sell them and make a profit with them. Everyone knows how to use money right?
                                    [–]Belgiummatiasve -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
                                    Let's say you have a rock in your backyard which you have no real use for. But I alone do know how to turn that rock into something I or a third neighbour can work with. That processed rock would be worth €100. Ignoring my expenses, what would be a fair price for me to pay you? Keep in mind that you have no functional use for it and odds are I'm the only guy who can work with it you'll meet in the next few years.
                                    [–]ItalyTheHammerstein 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                                    Well, the right price. I probably won't do nothing with it, but you won't do nothing without it either.
                                    And btw there's a standard price for gold, silver and platinum, so you can't just barter with them.
                                    [–]Franceloulan 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
                                    When Spain stole those resources, it was one of the strongest Empire in the world competing with the UK, another "resources stealer".
                                    For a short time that ended centuries ago. They blew all their gold on pointless wars.
                                    Oh and btw, Ethiopia was colonized by Italy, with Eritrea and Somalia. And has no resource at all.
                                    Ethiopia was annexed by Italy for a grand total of 6 years between 1935 and 1941, give me a break.
                                    I don't overestimate the importance of natural resources, for a country they are really important, otherwise there was no need to colonize them, right?
                                    It was more of a geopolitical thing than anything, otherwise countries that had a lot of colonies would be much richer than countries that didn't nowadays.
                                    [–]ItalyTheHammerstein 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                                    Still, they have enough gold to make pointless war, therefore they were rich. Of course it ended when South America got their indipendece.
                                    Still, they got colonized. And there are no resouces there, which explains why they're poor.
                                    All those country that colonized are actually rich, or at least richer than those who didn't. It was obviously also a geopolitical thing, but most of all an economical thing.
                                    [–]Franceloulan 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
                                    Still, they have enough gold to make pointless war, therefore they were rich. Of course it ended when South America got their indipendece.
                                    Come on, all their gold barely gave them an advantage over other European nations and it all ended centuries ago, when you claim it still has a main consequence today.
                                    Still, they got colonized. And there are no resouces there, which explains why they're poor.
                                    The reason why they weren't colonized for so long is because they were Christian, not because they didn't have any resources. Europe is full of countries with no resources. Are they poor?
                                    All those country that colonized are actually rich, or at least richer than those who didn't. It was obviously also a geopolitical thing, but most of all an economical thing.
                                    And all the European countries that didn't colonize are rich too. It's the other way round, all countries that colonized are rich because they were rich back then too and could afford to colonize, you can't send huge armies oversea to conquer whole continents if you're poor. But it barely helped them in the long run. Because you don't get rich with natural resources (with the exception of oil, which is working well for Saudi Arabia).
                                    [–]ItalyTheHammerstein 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                                    Nope, you claimed that. What I said is that all those resources made them one of the greatest Empire in the world with Great Britain. After that many things happened, such as Civil Wars, a fascist dictatorship etc. which to them to today.
                                    Nope, Ethiopia was colonized until 1947 (not 1941, as you previously wrote) and got their indipendence from the newborn Italian Republic. Just stop, please.
                                    That's not always true. But still, many things happened after the colonization, so your argument is poor. You definitely get rich with natural resources, with any of them.
                                    [–]Romaniacilica 47 points48 points49 points  (19 children)
                                    Ok, let's discuss immigration, not just whether this is a good spot or not to do so.
                                    I am against uncontrolled immigration. Immigration should be about offer and demand: one country needs more skilled workers, that country accepts those skilled workers. Win-win, hurray!
                                    In this current state, the immigration which is happening right now it's just not feasible. This isn't about race/religion. It's just that too many people will come for Europe to handle and this will cause all sorts of issues: economical, cultural, political. You already see that the far right movement is on the rise. This will not stop until the issue is addressed.
                                    On the refugee aspect: yes, those people should be helped, it is the right thing to do. But I think we should also intervene in their homelands. A state that produces millions of refugees is clearly not a state working for its people. Intervene and bring the refugees back once the matter is settled and no more war is going on to re-start their lives and make their country great again.
                                    Am I seeing this the wrong way? Please argument, if so.
                                    [–]Jyllandknud 1 point2 points3 points  (8 children)
                                    A lot of people here say the same thing here in Denmark. They are talking about Romanians and how they shouldn't be allowed to come here.
                                    [–]Romaniacilica 14 points15 points16 points  (7 children)
                                    Everybody is entitled to have an opinion.
                                    One thing is different though: both countries are in EU and thus, you are not an immigrant if you work there as the work force is free within the EU. If Danish people want to get rid or Romanians, they should just stop hiring them.
                                    [–]Jyllandknud 3 points4 points5 points  (6 children)
                                    Now you are just differentiating between legal and illegal immigration. It's true it's much easier to migrate or immigrate within EU legally, and that is exactly what I was pointing out, many here wants to change that because there's a lot of perceived problems with criminals from Romania, cheap labor, etc. I don't agree with that. I'm just pointing out what you are saying, is something people are saying about Romanians. Ask Nigel Farage and his followers.
                                    [–]Romaniacilica 12 points13 points14 points  (5 children)
                                    I am aware of that but we, Romanians, would also be happy to stop the brain drain that is happening right now. From the country leaves far more skilled workers than beggars and criminals. If EU would have stopped this "legal immigration", it would have meant that a lot of Western business would have moved to Eastern European countries for cheap labor and due to skilled workers shortage. UK said the same stuff before about the Polish and, in the end, they were happy to have them.
                                    In the end, this is a about a free work market which regulates itself. The hot topic now is the illegal immigrants which are not coming due to the work market demands and are a burden to the societies where they stop.
                                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
                                    I am aware of that but we, Romanians, would also be happy to stop the brain drain that is happening right now.
                                    Ah so it is not "win-win" as you described previously.
                                    [–]Romaniacilica 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
                                    It's win-win for the country that needs the worker and for the worker.
                                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                                    OK, I was under the impression "win-win" meant nobody loses.
                                    [–]Romaniacilica 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                    If you take it out of the context, maybe.
                                    [+]thinking of me as Greek exposes your faulty assumption #1mfukar comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (9 children)
                                    Immigration should be about offer and demand: one country needs more skilled workers, that country accepts those skilled workers.
                                    What about unskilled workers?
                                    [–]Romaniacilica 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                    If there is a need for them, then yes - I think they should be allowed in also.
                                    Although there must be some protection for them so that they don't end up exploited like in Qatar, for example.
                                    [–]The NetherlandsXeran_ 10 points11 points12 points  (7 children)
                                    There is simply not that much demand for them. What about them?
                                    [–]thinking of me as Greek exposes your faulty assumption #1mfukar -5 points-4 points-3 points  (6 children)
                                    There is a large supply. What about them? Where do they fit in the grand plan?
                                    [–]The NetherlandsXeran_ 7 points8 points9 points  (5 children)
                                    I don't think you understood what /u/cilica meant. When a country doesn't need people of type A they will be less likely to be granted migration into the country. Similar how countries like Japan, Australia and Canada are doing this.
                                    [–]thinking of me as Greek exposes your faulty assumption #1mfukar -5 points-4 points-3 points  (4 children)
                                    Yes, thank you, I've read the comment. And I ask again: what about the unskilled workers, which are not mentioned in the comment? Are they unwanted? Do you bring them when you need a new skyscraper erected, and have them live in the construction site, Singapore-style? Something else?
                                    Of course, I'm only trying to point out the inadequacies of "schemes" like these, which are hatched in reddit comments in the span of a couple sentences, only to die a few minutes later. Toodles.
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                                      [–]The NetherlandsXeran_ 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
                                      Are they unwanted?
                                      They are not needed.
                                      Do you bring them when you need a new skyscraper erected, and have them live in the construction site, Singapore-style? Something else?
                                      We have more than enough unemployed low/non skilled workers. Hence the reason for not allowing more the enter in a stricter immigration policy. Furthermore, singapore-style is not allowed anywhere in Europe by law. And we are a little bit more productive (using heavy machine) rather than really mostly on man power.
                                      I'm only trying to point out the inadequacies of "schemes" like these, which are hatched in reddit comments in the span of a couple sentences, only to die a few minutes later
                                      Which inadequacies? It would be inadequate to import a lot of low/unskilled workers, which will be unneeded.
                                      [–]suckstosuckdoesntit 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                                      Are they unwanted?
                                      They are not needed.
                                      Even so it's still happening. They're here because they can be paid less, plain and simple.
                                      The metro being build here in Copenhagen had 200 portuguese workers share a small handful showers, among other, poor, conditions.
                                      Roskilde festival was held, not that long ago. A spokesperson for the people collecting bottles had to publicly state that they we're being inhumanely treated. They're here because we can't pick up the trash after us.
                                      The best answer to alot of the exploitation, which is why they're brought here in the first place, is to have chain responsibility. Sadly it's not gaining traction here.
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