(cache) NebraskaGunOwnerがMay 2016 Metathreadについて記入したコメント


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May 2016 Metathread (self.politics)

Qu1nlan[M] が 6時間前投稿 - stickied post

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[–]NebraskaGunOwner [スコア非表示] 5時間前* (70子コメント)

/r/Politics will be temporarily suspending our self-post Saturday tradition until after the presidential election. We value the ability for all of our subscribers to talk, get answers, and discuss what's on their mind - but for the time being, we think the best place for that is going to be in relevant article comments, or in the focused political subreddit of their choice (see our related subreddits list to find something that appeals to you!).

Really? You thought that wasn't the most major news of the day? I don't know this just doesn't seem like a reasonable answer to what might be a reasonable problem.

I'm not saying this is any way related to my posts, I would be flattered if that was the case, but I have had multiple self-posts fit completely within the guidelines get removed. No response from any mods for days, even during personal correspondence the conversation just shuts down at the mention of it. Only to find out days later that it should never have been taken down.

You are going to send people either to /r/hillaryforprison /r/politicaldiscussion /r/hillaryclinton /r/the_donald /r/sandersforpresident - all of which clearly do not allow for discussion or answers.

In fact not to call you out /u/Qu1nlan but you are the mod that engaged me in a personal message, and then never replied in regards to the self-post saturday. Even after two followups. It took another mod 3 days later to respond and say it was taken down in error.

[–]Blarglephish [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (1子コメント)

[–]MeghanAM[M] [スコア非表示] 3時間前 (7子コメント)

Fwiw, I personally liked your posts (at least, the ones that I read! I'm not always around on Saturdays). I upvoted them and I have you RES tagged so I'd notice in new so I could read.

I also love Self Post Saturday and have long been a defender of it. People have been complaining about "shit post Saturday" for at least the whole time I've been here (2 years next week!). I always thought that it had a lot of value and didn't want to see it go. When we did "off topic" or "out of date" removals, I often encouraged the submitter to instead write a self post that made the link between that article and current US politics. Most didn't, but I found that option important.

The problematic posts were primarily the ones that I'll label "low effort". A lot of people were using it as their own personal soapboxes without a lot of thoughtful content, and also a lot seemed to be trolling but not so blatantly that we could remove and warn/ban. We tried to add rules to up quality (made a length requirement, required that the title be sourced if it was making some kind of factual claim, no strict copy/pastes, etc) and it barely helped. I tried inviting the mod teams of our related subs to make self posts about something in their "realm" plus to get some potential new members for their subs. Almost none did, which was disappointing.

I will really miss Self Post Saturday, and I will look forward to it returning after the elections.

I guess this probably isn't actually helpful, so sorry for rambling on, but maybe it adds some background.

[–]Paracortex [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (5子コメント)

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[–]NebraskaGunOwner [スコア非表示] 1時間前* (2子コメント)

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[–]NebraskaGunOwner [スコア非表示] 2時間前 (0子コメント)

I appreciate your thorough response.

Having received dozens and dozens of similar messages from users, it makes me sad to see that the mods of this subreddit are deciding that all discussions will be removed. No one doubts the impossible gray area that you have to delve through to decide if a post fits the guidelines of civility - but you do this already. It makes the reasoning disingenuous, as this will always be an issue, and has been for many years.

I would like to see some specific examples of what threads we are referring to. As right now, we are just hearing very vague reasons.

It seems there is a middle ground that could be reached. Either through mod approval, tagging posts as 'low effort', or having a more strict eye for posts that don't reach a level of discourse that you approve of. I don't think users would deny that 'shitpost saturdays' happen, but to censor all posts outright, is an overstep.

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[–]NebraskaGunOwner [スコア非表示] 4時間前 (8子コメント)

[–]NebraskaGunOwner [スコア非表示] 4時間前* (7子コメント)

From a longtime Kossack and patriot. You're seeking to inform and analyze without excessive bias or wishful thinking and it's wonderful. Keep up the great work!

Thanks for all your great work!

Good Morning. I just wanted to say, as a fellow Nebraskan, that I really appreciate all of the work and research you've complied on this campaign.

I've enjoyed reading your input over the last several weeks. I finally joined to share the information below.

Hello I have been reading your posts for a while. I find them to be succinct and knowledgeable.

Hey Neb! I've been a huge fan of yours for a while, and recently two things have started happening – you've been breaking actual news, and you've been having posts removed.

Just wanted to say I appreciate the thoroughness of your posts. Ignore the shitheads and keep doing what you do. -Reddit lurkers

Keep up the good work man. I don't know much, but if there's anything I can do to help let me know.

I really appreciate the work you've done compiling all of the info re: HRC server. Hope these kind words balance out the hate you get.

Hey person over the internet! Just wanted to say thanks for your source-filled posts about this FBI investigation and the proceedings/additional information as it breaks. I don't have time to put all the pieces together myself as I just finished finals for this semester so it really helps to stay up to date with your posts! Thanks for everything and keep it up despite those pesky or offensive messages, you really help.

I just wanted to say I'm glad someone's talking about it in depth. I've been following everything too since I find it interesting and it's pretty funny that I was writing an essay that was almost exactly like one of your posts earlier today. I should have waited and used some of your sources, lol. The ones I didn't already use could have come in handy.

You are a voice of clarity in a very confusing and frightening time. I would read your work professionally out of sheer respect.

These are PM's. That's all I am going to post for now. This is going back only 4 days.

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[–]Qu1nlan[S,M] [スコア非表示] 5時間前 (45子コメント)

You thought that wasn't the most major news of the day?

This is only going to affect a handful of people on one day of the week - the title thing is going to affect every single submission, so we did think that was a bit of a bigger deal. Regardless, those are just semantics.

I don't know this just doesn't seem like a reasonable answer to what might be a reasonable problem.

We were having several issues related to self-posts, even after having implemented a list of stringent self post guidelines. People seemed to hate them whenever they got to the front page, they were often more vitriolic than the majority of our articles, they got reported dozens of times and were filled with uncivil comments.

I have had multiple self-posts fit completely within the guidelines get removed

That shouldn't be the case. I know we've had some discussions over some of your removed self posts, but we only ever remove things within our rules.

As for people going other places, we always encourage people to find a related subreddit that catches their interest. /r/Politics should always be a great place for people to come to discuss and get answers too - they should now just be doing it in the comment section.

[–]Jornetha [スコア非表示] 4時間前 (29子コメント)

[–]Qu1nlan[S,M] [スコア非表示] 4時間前 (25子コメント)

[–]Jornetha [スコア非表示] 4時間前 (9子コメント)

Oh, I get the vitriolic self post garbage. I agree that that doesn't have a place in the sub, and I am not defending those posts.

I am speaking specifically to /u/NebraskaGunOwner on this one. Were his posts reported with greater frequency than what you might expect? I ask this because he puts forward high quality self posts that serve as a foundation for quality discussion. I would hardly say that his posts are vitriolic. And I mention /u/NebraskaGunOwner specifically, since it was his post earlier this week that was removed for no apparent reason. From the outside looking in it looks like a politically motivated decision.

As for they who must not be named, it is important to not pretend that they are not here. If we ignore the fact that they dumped a cool million into combating online discussion, then what good is any of this? I understand that you can't have everyone running around pointing fingers at each other shouting "shill!", but I do think that it is clearly of importance to recognize that the community is being manipulated. And if the community is being manipulated, does it not stand to reason that it is possible that they who must not be named are coordinating and targeting certain self-posts, specifically ones that paint their candidate as a crook?