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Moonlight is Cooling (self.conspiracy)

natavism が 投稿

Has anyone else tried measuring the temperature of moonlight during a full moon? I've been measuring for the last 6 months or so, and I get a consistent temperature difference of about 5-7 degrees Fahrenheit. Can anyone explain this using the heliocentric model? If the moon is reflecting sunlight, why does it have different properties?

edit to clarify: Ideally, you have two thermometers for this experiment, though you only truly need one. Verify they're accurate by placing them in the same conditions and making sure they read the same temperature. Then during +/- 48 hrs of full moon and at night, you take a thermometer and place it in moonlight and one in shade and the one in moonlight will consistently read about 5 degrees cooler on a reasonably clear night. Will vary with weather conditions. You can also magnify this effect further with a magnifying glass.

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[–]luckinator 9ポイント10ポイント  (11子コメント)

Moonlight is not going to cool anything down. If you truly are getting a warmer result in shadow, you are probably putting your thermometer in a sheltered place, where the residual heat radiation from the soil and plants and structures, that was accumulated during the day, can affect the reading.

Oh, and about the magnifying glass making the moonlight cool more -- I don't believe it. I have to call bullshit on it.

[–]Akareyon 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

I don't believe it.

That is not how science works. You have to perform an actual experiment to disprove the hypothesis. So I call bullshit on your comment.

[–]thc1967 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

You have to perform an actual experiment to disprove the hypothesis.

Typically the initial experimenter thoroughly documents his procedure first, so that the "peer review" process can attempt to reproduce the experiment.

Let's see the specific procedure used, documented in proper fashion. Then I will attempt to reproduce it, assuming there aren't any glaring issues with the procedures.

[–]Akareyon 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

documented in proper fashion

The information given by OP suffices to replicate the experiment and to falsify or verify the hypothesis (edit: or observation) or to point out which variables he left unaccounted for.

[–]thc1967 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not even close.

For example, it doesn't document the equipment used, the specific layout of the thermometers relative to each other, the manner in which the light from the moon was obstructed, the prevailing weather conditions at the time and the specific procedures used to mitigate them or factor them into calculations, and many more details that could impact a replication attempt, all of which would ultimately be called out as discrepancies to the original experiment were the replication attempt to produce a different result.

In this world (and sub) of youtube-as-evidence, why not at least break out the phone and post the clip showing everything?

[–]Akareyon 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

it doesn't document the equipment used,

A thermometer.

the specific layout of the thermometers relative to each other

If it makes a difference, it is up to you to show so.

the manner in which the light from the moon was obstructed,

Vide supra.

the prevailing weather conditions at the time

Cloudless, presumably.

and the specific procedures used to mitigate them or factor them into calculations, and many more details that could impact a replication attempt, all of which would ultimately be called out as discrepancies to the original experiment were the replication attempt to produce a different result.

Vide supra.

In this world (and sub) of youtube-as-evidence, why not at least break out the phone and post the clip showing everything?

"lol do you believe everything you see on youtube?" <== this is not how it works. Get two thermometers, test their measurement spread, then put one into moonlight and one into the moonlight shadow.

[–]thc1967 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If it makes a difference, it is up to you to show so.

That's not how science works. It's not my hypothesis to test. It's the OP's, and he should (properly) publish his procedures and findings if he wants to be taken... seriously.

[–]Akareyon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's not my hypothesis to test.

Then you have no business making any statement about the veracity of OPs claim.

It's the OP's, and he should (properly) publish his procedures and findings

That's what he did.

[–]whyd_you_kill_doakes [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This isn't how actual science is done. Go to a university website and pull one of their peer-reviewed scientific papers. There's a specific format you have to follow for ALL of them, and then more specific formats for different branches of science. You need to document with very precise details EVERYTHING you do and use. For example:

"I placed the eT650D thermometer 'A' in the moonlight for ~30.0 min. eT650D thermometer 'B' was placed in the shade for ~30.0 min. After allowing a sufficient time for the thermometers to adjust to the correct temperature and reach approximate thermodynamic equilibrium, readings were taken. The readings for thermometer 'A' were 28.9°C and the readings for thermometer 'B' were 23.5°C. This experiment was repeated 4 more times for precision and the following results were acquired: list of results for 4 separate experiments for both thermometers). From these results, we can conclude that the moonlight affects the ambient temperature by x°C on average. This means that (an explanation of what these results mean is needed).

You will also need, at the very least, VERY detailed diagrams of what your experiment set up was. Preferably you would have high resolution photographs. This is to back up that you have done this experiment according to your claims, and anyone who wanted to could replicate the experiment EXACTLY how you did.

That's an extremely basic overview of what an actual scientific experiment with an accompanying report is. OP has not done much of the report, or proof of his experiment, so we can't replicate it. Since we can't replicate it, we throw it out. And in the scientific community, OP would be shunned for proposing his ideas like this.

[–]Rockran -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's not how science works, the OP has to provide compelling evidence for their claim that the moonlight causes cooling.

However, I have aimed my telescope at the moon and found no cooling effect on my eyeball, so as far as experiments go, OP's claim is absolute nonsense.

[–]Akareyon 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

the OP has to provide compelling evidence for their claim that the moonlight causes cooling.

OP made a claim and gave instructions on how to falsify or verify his observation.

I have aimed my telescope at the moon and found no cooling effect on my eyeball,

Much science!

[–]Rockran 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty much.

OP has no evidence, I do. What else would you like to know?

[–]EndlessCompassion 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you're having some issue with your experimental set up. The error you're getting is probably due to inaccurate thermometers or their position. For example if I had 2 thermometers and placed one in front of a window and one several inches away behind a wall first would read cooler. Windows are terrible insulators and you could be losing heat there. I would way to a very small degree you are losing heat through radiation of the moon thermometer as well. Try to set them directly next to eachother <1" apart. Position them some distance away from the window > 10'. Place a piece of cardboard on the window to block the moon light and they will read nearly identical. The moon does not reflect sufficient light to measure with inaccurate equipment, and cooling by light has no factual basis.

[–]DoYouEvenBrewBro 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

not a thermo guy, but wouldnt this be the same concept as a mirror, it reflects like, but not heat. Maybe im dense and wrong.

[–]DirtyBird9889 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah but that wouldn't explain why surfaces that receive direct moonlight would actually be cooler than surfaces that are in the shade. The point is that the moon actively cools.

[–]DoYouEvenBrewBro 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

ahh, i see, thats very interesting

[–]luckinator -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

not a thermo guy, but wouldnt this be the same concept as a mirror, it reflects like, but not heat. Maybe im dense and wrong.

Well, you're wrong. Whether you're dense or not is not for me to say.

[–]DoYouEvenBrewBro 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

ha, well im dense in this area, but not necessarily in others

[–]factsnotfeelings -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes this is scientific evidence that the moon is luminescent.

If the moon were reflecting the light from the sun, moonlight and sunlight would have the same properties.

[–]natavism[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, I agree! Have you heard any explanation at all for this using the heliocentric model? I haven't even heard it addressed. Pretty bad.

[–]factsnotfeelings 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope I haven't found any explanation. If I find one I'll post it here.

[–]thc1967 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If the moon were reflecting the light from the sun, moonlight and sunlight would have the same properties.

Because the reflective material doesn't change the property of the light or the range(s) of the spectrum reflected?

Question: Why, in the sunlight, is my shirt green instead of reflecting the entire spectrum and intensity of the sun's light, blinding the fuck out of everyone who dares cast their gaze upon me?

[–]brainiac1200 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

the earth isnt flat. get over it and move on.

[–]Rockran -3ポイント-2ポイント  (12子コメント)

You expect the temperature on Earth to spike during a full moon?

[–]natavism[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

lol thanks, I'll clarify -

I've only been measuring when the moon was within 48 hours of full. So no, I don't expect a spike, I just think the heliocentric model has no explanation of why moonlight is cooling while sunlight is obviously heating - do you know of any?

[–]luckinator 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait a minute! You're the "flat earth" guy, aren't you?

[–]Rockran -2ポイント-1ポイント  (9子コメント)

moonlight is cooling while sunlight is obviously heating

http://i.imgur.com/X465sFl.png

Isn't the night cooler than the day because the sun isn't shining on that part of the Earth?

[–]natavism[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

I don't believe you understand my experiment or question - There's an easily measurable temperature difference between the shade and moonlight just as there is between the shade and sunlight. The difference being that the moonlight cools whatever it falls on. You can magnify this effect with a magnifying glass just like sunlight.

Now, if the moon is only reflecting sunlight as the heliocentric model says, why does the moonlight have different properties?

[–]thc1967 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

why does the moonlight have different properties?

Because the moon isn't reflecting all ranges of the spectrum of light / radiation that the sun emits. Visible light is different from infrared light is different from ultraviolet light.

Would you like to learn more?

[–]Rockran 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

You can magnify this effect with a magnifying glass just like sunlight.

So if I get a telescope and point it at the moon, my eyes should freeze?

[–]natavism[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

If you point a telescope at the sun, does your eye combust?

[–]Rockran 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Of course

[–]natavism[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ha, nice.

Well I'm not sure about the telescope because I haven't tried it, but I would guess that it would be noticeable with a strong scope because you can definitely notice with just a magnifying glass on your hand. It's not as severe as a magnifying glass with sunlight though, which could easily burn your hand. With the moonlight it's more of a subtle effect but definitely present and measurable.

[–]Rockran 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well I have a telescope and i've used it to look at the moon and my eyes felt just fine.

So I think you're full of it.

[–]natavism[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hahahaha I was waiting for the venom, there it is.

You never answered how moonlight could have cooling properties and merely be reflected sunlight ;)

If you doubt me, please do this experiment yourself or consult the internets for the multitudes of others who have done it and posted their results.