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news 内の WompaStompa_ によるリンク Study: Blood THC levels after smoking pot are useless in defining “too high to drive”

[–]shadow-suppression [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah but you have to have a definable limit for legal purposes.

No you don't. There are lots of things that simply aren't by themselves illegal, but could be more dangerous than driving high, including drowsy driving. Drunk driving is a form of strict liability in the USA. Drowsy driving is not (in fact, it's not even technically illegal). But, drowsiness will not be allowed as an excuse if you do commit a crime or infraction. Strict liability is not the only way. In fact, there may be little reason for stoned driving to be illegal, including it not being a real problem (that is the vast majority of people can exercise good judgement while stoned) or the fact that stoned driving does not significantly cause an increase in crash risk. The preliminary evidence is on the side of not having stoned driving be illegal. More study is necessary, but for now, we shouldn't have laws based on emotion. That's how the drug war has ravaged the western hemisphere in the first place.

Individuals are not capable of assessing themselves to determine whether or not they are impaired.

That is literally the basis of our free society: the freeman (-woman) is a logical, responsible human capable of making self assessment and exercising good judgement. His or her actions will always be judged after the fact; it is up to him or her to make the judgement before the fact. The big problem with alcohol is that it impairs good judgement. Marijuana does not (likely, it increases cautious behavior). Because a drunk person is not capable of using proper judgement, the law takes the thinking out of it: just don't drive over 0.08, even if you think you can. This same logic does not extend well to pot, because it does not impair judgement or motor control.

news 内の WompaStompa_ によるリンク Study: Blood THC levels after smoking pot are useless in defining “too high to drive”

[–]shadow-suppression [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This comment was previously shadowbanned. It's possible my VPN played a part in that. Here it is again.

I think before we get the lawyers involved, let's get the scientists involved. Right now, few people want to talk about the fact that legit scientific studies have not indicated that high driving is an actual problem at all.

A cop is not a scientist. Worse yet, he's clearly begging the question with using the fact that he has arrested people for driving high to justify driving high being illegal, which is circular and logically fallacious.

news 内の WompaStompa_ によるリンク Study: Blood THC levels after smoking pot are useless in defining “too high to drive”

[–]shadow-suppression [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This comment was previously shadowbanned. It's possible my VPN played a part in that. Here it is again.

I also have ADHD, and I use medical pot every single day. It's better than Adderall. I definitely drive better high, just as I do most things better (except being an out of control, high-energy, low-focus spazz of course).

My main problem with the whole debate, as a medical user, is that it is not grounded in science. There is little scientific evidence that getting high makes you universally a poor driver, especially once you are used to it. That's the problem. Tons of people take prescription drugs and drive, but we're not having a debate over that one: there is no test, and, unless you are obviously impaired, you probably won't get into trouble. Why should pot be different?

Regardless, I want a scientifically rigorous process before we start making it a strict liability to drive high. If I am safer when driving high than someone at 0.08 BAC, then I should be allowed to fucking drive. Simple as that. Old people don't all drive better than that, and they can still drive. We don't prevent everyone who drives poorly from driving. Maybe if I have 4 cups of coffee and drive, I am terrible. But, it's not illegal in-and-of-itself. The only reason alcohol and driving is so bad is that:

  • Impairment is similar across all people (does not seem to be true for pot).
  • It impairs judgement as well as reaction time (pot does not impair judgement). Drunk people are more impulsive and make more risky decisions. High people, on the whole, do not.
  • We have sufficient scientific evidence of what makes a good threshold, and the standard is based in scientific evidence. he threshold does not vary much from person to person, although tolerance will always play some role, the role of tolerance in drunken impairment is not very significant.

Far, FAR too many people just scream: JUST DON'T DRIVE IF YOU WANT TO GET FUCKED UP. Well, what if I use it for actual medicine that makes me a better driver and calmer person over all? We need a discussion rooted in solid science not emotional bullshit spouted by ignorant know-it-alls.