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[–]d00bin 43ポイント44ポイント  (120子コメント)

On a serious note. I am glad I am circumcised. It's just easier to deal with and it's not like I remember any pain.

[–]AFlyingMexican5 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

GOOD point.

[–]Zarqu0n 14ポイント15ポイント  (29子コメント)

It's just easier to deal with

How so? Not saying you're wrong just genuinely curious

[–]k3rn3 3ポイント4ポイント x3 (27子コメント)

Easier to clean, less chance of injury or disease.

Edit: I'm not saying the risk is significant enough that everyone should have the procedure done, but there is an experimentally shown difference. Since you guys don't believe me here are some conditions and diseases which circumcision will reduce your risk of:

  • HIV

  • HPV

  • HSV

  • Urinary tract infections

  • Phimosis (in fairness this can also be a complication of circumcision)

  • Various cancers (probably just a side effect of fewer incidents of the other conditions on this list)

  • A slew of lesser known STIs including chlamydia and trichomoniasis

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Edit: aw shucks whoever gilded me, thanks for believing in a better world where people do research before coming to conclusions. Also to be clear I'm not saying everyone should be cut, just playing devil's advocate to Reddit's "sexually mutilated at birth!" narrative

[–]bergamaut 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

Those studies take place in places like Uganda where bathing and condoms are rare and STIs are prevalent. This doesn't translate to the first world.

If circumcision reduces STI rates in the first world, we'd see more STIs in Canada and Europe than the US when in fact the opposite is true.

[–]BenevolentCheese -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Multiple sources he posted are from studies based on people in the first world. Did you even click them?

[–]sourc3original 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know what else does the same job? A condom.

And STI's are less common un Europe than in the USA, so apparently it doesnt really work.

[–]AladeenAlWadiya 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's the problem with your 2nd source (HIV), a popular study that's oft-cited which apparently showed an increase in incidence of HIV in uncircumcised individual.

The study in question gathered three large groups of men from South Africa, Uganda and Kenya, who I believed would be a mixture of circumcised and uncircumcised people. It turns out however, that the study performed 2,328 circumcisions on half of the men themselves and then immediately began the study. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that if you have part of your penis cut off you are probably not going to have sex in the near future, thereby reducing the probability of catching the virus over a set time; the study never addresses this issue. It then says that out of the 2,328 performed circumcisions, there were 178 (7.6%) “adverse events”. These included erectile dysfunction, swelling or haematomas, excessive bleeding, infections, damage to the penis, problems with appearance, etc.

You can read a more through breakdown of all the problems of some of those linked studies, or more importantly the problem with using it as a reason as to why you would encourage circumcision here. Or watch this more abstract video.

[–]RedAlertKlaxon -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Don't sweat the downvotes. Your response was accurate and well sourced. Redditards would rather plug their ears and scream than be told their hive mind is wrong.

[–]SokkaStark 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not well sourced, most of the studies that were actually readable and not behind a pay wall the significant lower ricks of these things are in mostly third world countries, particularly subsaharan Africa, one of the studies he linked even links to an updated version which says:

"We were unable to identify any randomised controlled trials on the use of routine neonatal circumcision for prevention of UTI in male infants. Until further evidence becomes available, clinicians should continue to base their decisions on position statements and recommendations and in conjunction with the opinions of the children's parents."

[–]___TRUMP2016___ -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's their victim complex. They get told they are victims and have been crippled by le evil religious circumcision. Redditors will eat that shit up. This NPR article, which as you redditors know is almost as well respected as le politifact, says that circumcision leaves males better off.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2012/08/27/159955340/pediatricians-decide-boys-are-better-off-circumcised-than-not

[–]spiritualboozehound 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You need to step away from this and think of this from a meta standpoint. Like way, way back. Pretend like circumcision isn't a thing. Would we have arrived to that conclusion on our own? We'd be well-hygenied against these issues, it would be a cultural thing. But as they state:

For one thing, the studies about HIV have only been done in Africa, where AIDS is much more common among heterosexuals.

You know one thing that would really help us out? If we plugged the pee hole and routed it to go out near your ass (this is in fact a procedure used in certain deformities so it's not altogether barbaric). That would make semen not go anywhere near your partner. This would save so much more on STD's, unwanted pregnancies FAR more than circumcision. Let's do it to every new baby made on here on out!

You only accept this form of body modification because its normal to you. There's all sorts of weird shit we can cut off, sew, and do shit to that isn't on the table because its not cultural. Want to talk UTI's...

[–]klseu8 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The risk reductions are so minimal they are not worth it

[–]k3rn3 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not saying the risk is significant enough that everyone should have the procedure done, but there is an experimentally shown difference.

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    [–]k3rn3 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I already posted 7 pieces of proof what more do you want? TIL Reddit doesn't care about science as long as your dick has been rinsed off

    There exists a warm gap underneath the foreskin which is thought to encourage the growth of pathogens and fungi. Candida albicans is a type of yeast which is seen much more commonly in uncircumcised men for example. If you think rinsing it out for a half second (your wording) is going to sterilize that, you're crazy, and you should google biofilms.

    You should try to convince someone that you don't need to wear a condom because you already ran your shaft under a garden hose and see how that goes.

    From one of the studies I linked:

    The single risk factor of lack of circumcision confers a 23.3% chance of urinary tract infection during the lifetime. This greatly exceeds the prevalence of circumcision complications (1.5%), which are mostly minor.

    I'm not saying it's like a significant difference, but there is definitely a difference.

    [–]spiritualboozehound 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Uncircumcised boys are instructed to pull it back and wash it out with soap and water by pediatricians. Yeah simply running water over it is disgusting.

    [–]CastAwayVolleyball 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

    You should try to convince someone that you don't need to wear a condom because you already ran your shaft under a garden hose and see how that goes.

    Isn't that what this:

    circumcision will reduce your risk of:

    • HIV

    is? Why is that even relevant, when everyone should be using condoms if there's any risk of HIV?

    [–]k3rn3 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    No, because I was replying to someone who said the drawbacks of being uncircumcised can be washed off in the shower.

    I never said anyone shouldn't wear a condom. All I said was that circumcision probably (very slightly) reduces your risk of HIV.

    [–]AFlyingMexican5 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This guy got gilded three times for something about dicks?

    EDIT: 5 Upvotes?

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    [–]BalanceLuck -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Im uncut and phimosis is awful, I really hate it.

    [–]spiritualboozehound 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There is partial circumcision and stretching methods.

    http://www.askmen.com/dating/dzimmer_100/127_love_answers.html

    Some people are born with excess skin than needed for the function of foreskin, it's not something that's talked about because people go straight to CUT IT ALL

    [–]ChromaticFinish 23ポイント24ポイント  (36子コメント)

    Your experience does not invalidate those of babies whose circumcisions turned out badly, and you being happy about it doesn't make it okay that it was done without your consent.

    You're wrong about it being easier to deal with, though. That's just what you're told. Circumcision is a cosmetic procedure with strictly negative consequences.

    It's good to be happy with your body; it's not like they chopped off your whole penis. But you are lucky it turned out that way for you.

    [–]shareYourFears 19ポイント20ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Isn't basically everything parents do to kids done without the child's consent?

    [–]ChromaticFinish 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Yes, but circumcision is a significant modification of the body's natural state. It's a cosmetic procedure. Feeding your baby without his consent is clearly different than cutting off body parts without his consent.

    [–]shareYourFears -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    No, there's no difference with regard to consent. In both situations the parent consents for the child and the child has to live with the results.

    FWIW I'm actually against circumcision, I just find it disingenuous to bring consent into the discussion considering parents will make thousands of decisions that will impact a child's life more than whether their foreskin is intact.

    Also "a significant modification of the body's natural state" is an appeal to nature.

    [–]ChromaticFinish 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Why are you against circumcision?

    What other argument is there? It's all about consent. The difference between circumcision and other things, such as education, is that circumcision is permanent body modification. Parents can't tattoo babies. They can't remove other body parts which thy deem unnecessary unless there is a disease or other pressing issue.

    A baby's penis does not belong to his parents. It belongs to him. It is his body.

    [–]shareYourFears -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well the benefits only mildly outweigh the risks, even though the risks are few and far between. I mean you're more likely to be injured on a trampoline or while driving.

    Parents can permanently damage their kids in all sorts of ways like piercing their ears or divorcing. Choosing this one which has only a very small but overstated history of causing harm doesn't make much of a case.

    The tattoo thing is because unlike circumcision tattoos you may get you made fun of in school.

    [–]Damen_aka_Ron_Ron -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Yep, from what kids eat to what school they attend, parents usually have the say without the kid input, but circumcisions? Parents shouldn't have the final say apparently.

    EDIT: Triggered people apparently by using logic. Should get that snipped.

    [–]sourc3original 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Feeding your child != cutting body parts off.

    That should be obvious, but you know Americans..

    [–]Damen_aka_Ron_Ron -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Want me to explain the logic? Since my comment flew over your head.

    [–]rrealnigga -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Couldn't agree more

    [–]Omatters 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

    I got circumcised when I was 17, and I like my penis a lot more today. Thinking about foreskin just makes me feel sick. Aside from the smell, it just looks better. I had phimosis though, so maybe I'm not so objective.

    [–]IAManti_abortionAMA 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I like the smell. Like smelling your own balls.

    [–]sourc3original 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    If your dick smelled then you just had poor hygene. And no, it doesnt look better.

    [–]I_worship_odin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That second point seems subjective.

    [–]rrealnigga -2ポイント-1ポイント  (18子コメント)

    are you kidding me? Circumcision was terrible... It removes sensitivity, makes it almost impossible to masturbate without lube, head always exposed reducing sensitivity even more over time, more friction during sex...

    Circumcision is the worst thing to happen in terms of sexual satisfaction.

    [–]NotOfficail1 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I have no problems masturbating without lube. Can't speak for your other points but i see this one tossed around a lot and I have never had a problem with it.

    [–]Texas_Chaac 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Circumcised, never used lube. Am I the 1%?

    [–]Damen_aka_Ron_Ron 31ポイント32ポイント  (15子コメント)

    makes it almost impossible to masturbate without lube

    I lol'd

    [–]Stevothegr8 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I am too. My father in law, brother in law and step father all had to have it done later in life because of infections. All they kept saying is how painful it was to have it done. I'd rather it be done when I'm a baby and don't remember rather than having to get it done later in life.

    [–]someguyfromnz -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    dicklikeapornstarmasterrace