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Limited offer: Bitwala gives away 2000 Bitcoin VISA cards for free (about.bitwa.la)

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[–]1fabunicorn [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Anyone know if a minor could get one of these? Or would I need to register it in my dads name?

[–]Bitcoin_foreverredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Use your BTC wallet and NOBODY will ask you for permission!
Forget these obsolete cards! Are fiat VISA cards not Bitcoin cards. Bitcoin does nothing to do with these plastic cards. Don't let them fool you.
If they still don't teach you what are real money in school:
fiat = I Owe You papers = fake money endlessly printed/created by banksters = slavery
Bitcoin = property of your money = real money that can't be double/triple/xxx times spend it = freedom
These plastic cards are a trojan horse, to make people NOT to use BTC from their wallets and be free, but using thse stupid fucking obsolete cards that trace you, spy you, sell you and enslave you to the master banksters and their fucking fiat...

[–]ImmortanSteve [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

What does that have to do with buying stuff on the internet you don't want your parents to find out about? :-)

[–]Bitcoin_foreverredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

have, because if we are not teaching our kids what is modern slavery, debt and money they will never be free. Do you want your kids to be forever in debt slaves?
Even if he wanted to buy something online without his parents knowing, use the BTC wallet, nobody will ask for permission to use BTC and shouldn't.

[–]ecafyelims [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Are my deposits stored as bitcoin until spent, or are deposits immediately converted into fiat?

[–]bitcoinsberlin[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We will convert them in Euro directly. We are working on keeping it in bitcoin until you send it though! Soon to be available on Bitwa.la

[–]Bitcoin_foreverredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYyx3CBSO_0

[–]granatheus [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I got one of these from Bitwala. Works like a charm.

[–]RJC73 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes, I too have that card and it works great! My life is now much better and just holding it cured my carpal tunnel.

[–]OneOfManyUsersredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

Indefinite offer: Visa gives away FREE credit cards with rewards points, fraud insurance, and 24/7 customer support.

[–]conchoso [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

just need to pass their slightly invasive credit check/colonoscopy!

[–]ztsmart [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Considering they charge 2-3% of all purchases made, I would not consider this free

[–]bitcoinsberlin[S] [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

The 2-3% will be charged from the mergents so for the customer it is basically free

[–]ztsmart [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Do you not think the mergents are going to pass those fees on to the consumer? Or that a prudent mergent would be incentive to give a customer using a different form of payment a 2% discount.

[–]bitcoinsberlin[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That is so true! We love Bitcoin and we would love to make it Bitcoin only but I've personally been living on and of Bitcoin since 3 years and I can assure you that it is impossible to do so without the help of intermediates at the moment. As soon as Bitcoin is widely accepted we can talk about removing certain functionalities from Bitwala

[–]frankbunny [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Which is definitely against the TOS for practically any merchant services account. That's not to say that some mom & pop stores won't still do that, but if they were reported or caught they could have their processing service canceled.

[–]ebliever [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Merchants need to start offering a 2-3% discount to people paying with bitcoin. It's ridiculous that they don't have to pay credit card fees or mess with bounced checks, counterfeit cash, forgeries, expired credit cards, armored cars for cash deposit, and so on, with bitcoin, but they charge bitcoiners as much as fiat users.

Bitcoin will catch on once merchants give consumers a reason to use it. But so long as merchants prefer paying credit card fees and messing with bounced and forged checks and counterfeit money and so on, bitcoin adoption will languish.

[–]dchestnykh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, they just have to support a payment system which will be used by 0.01% customers, probably costing more in figuring out how to deal with accounting. It's a good ol' chicken-and-egg.

[–]mably [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

AFAIU it looks like it's free for purchases in Euro.

http://i.imgur.com/azg7nl0.png

[–]PigFarmington [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't forget monthly fees, check your balance fee, fund re-charge fee, expired card re-issuance fee, contact call center for support fee, and annual fee.

[–]BinaryResult [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

With the added bonus of being able to cut you off at any time.

[–]joecoin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes but I need Bitwala to send my fiat to my bank account and then on to my Visa card, which may take days while with the card from Bitwala I can top up the card in minutes or an hour maximum.

[–]JKS1982 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

What do you have to offer that https://wirexapp.com/ and Xapo don't already offer?

[–]bitcoinsberlin[S] [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

we offer it cheaper, faster and a better exchange rate. To top it all up Bitwala is way older than both of them and went live with bills4btc since early 2013. Only legal stuff was putting us back in Germany

[–]bitcoinsberlin[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The question is more. What does wirexapp offer what Bitwala doesn't? :-)

[–]WirexApp [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Hello Bitwala. Actually we were the first bitcoin debit card on the market in January 2015 with https://www.e-coin.io/. We have the most popular bitcoin debit card on the market because we offer the best overall service. We have 2-way bitcoin debit cards which we are the only in the industry to do so (buy and sell). Besides being able to spend bitcoin anywhere Wirex allows you so much more. We have a killer mobile app we just released that is mobile banking and low cost remittances to 130+ countries.

[–]HeadCRasher [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

wtf is wrong with your web devs?

YOUR ACCOUNT HAS BEEN ACTIVATED {{message}}

[–]deadleg22 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That just means there was a mistake. Pretty sure you make mistakes in your job. Probably a php comment.

[–]mathyouhunt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Do you by any chance work for wirexapp/e-coin?

[–]ntpeters [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Unless I missed something it looks like anyone can sign up, regardless of what country you live in?

In that case, (I already see a question about Xapo) what about US users with Shift? Any benefits over the Shift card?

[–]truquini [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Any plans for Canada?

[–]bitcoinsberlin[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We serve Canada already. We have many Canadian users so feel free to order your card :-)

[–]mucsun [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What's after the 2000 sign ups, will they costs something? I don't think so, otherwise they will miss lots of customers, as they're real revenue is the 0.5% fee for each purchase.

[–]yeh-nah-yeh [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Available to people in which countries?

[–]bitcoinsberlin[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Almost all countries worldwide (except the US)

[–]Bitcoin_foreverredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Payments with BTC wallet:
- secure, nobody can stole your identity - check
- nobody can know your identity (payment processor, merchant, 3rd parties) - check
- nobody can buy your identity and purchasing habits from payment processor (VISA, MC etc) - check
- gov and banks can't seize your money - check
- you don't have an age limit to use a BTC wallet - check
- you don't need to give your identity to a bank or merchant to use a BTC wallet - check
- you don't pay any fees to use the payment system (bank account, CC, payment network etc), just the transaction fee - check
- no chargebacks or double spends or skimming your card - check
- no debt slavery (spending more than you can) - check

Payments with VISA/plastic cards (there is no such thing of Bitcoin debit cards):
- insecure, everybody can stole your identity - check
- everybody knows your identity (payment processor, bank, merchant, 3rd parties, gov etc) - check
- any marketing company or gov can buy/obtain your purchasing habits (bulk or individual) from the payment processor (VISA) - check
- gov and banks can seize your money - check
- you have an age limit to use freely a bank account and/or plastic card - check
- you have to prove to the merchant your identity (using a PIN or showing ID) - check
- you pay many fees (CC anual fee, bank account anual fee, merchant fee, network fee, all these are hidden but you are paying them anyway) - check
- chargebacks, double spends, skimming - check
- debt slavery for life (you always fall into getting credits to fund those cards and you never go out from this debt) - check

[–]jrmoreau [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Done!

[–]Mojenko [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

fyi: Monthly Maintenance Fee / Per Month: € 1.00

[–]sagesex [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So 1 Euro/Month is free? You better tell me this fee is waived as well, otherwise I would advise your competitors to sue you for fraudulent advertising.

[–]cryptorune [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

Bitcoin debit cards are a bad idea. No thanks

[–]Rhymeswithxredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

Why? It seems to fulfill a very obvious need for some bitcoin holders. What am I missing?

[–]icanhasreclaims [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

It's regression. Striped credit cards are a super antiquated way to transmit money. Bitcoin fixed that, but now everyone wants to regress.

[–]joecoin [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Nope. See this kind of service as an interface to the legacy financial system.

I cannot pay everywhere with Bitcoin yet and as long as this is the case we need this kind of interface.

[–]Bitcoin_foreverredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

the actual financial system is cracked, obsolete, evil, just keep people in slavery. So you want an interface to modern slavery using these plastic cards... instead of just using btc.

[–]Rhymeswithxredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

What payment method and currency did you use to purchase your last meal?

[–]Bitcoin_foreverredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Only BTC and my wallet. I live on BTC for more than a year and all is just fine. I can even hold some btc that remains. I'm paid in BTC, I spend in BTC, I hold in BTC.

[–]Rhymeswithxredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So where and how did you buy food?

Instead of complaining about consumer products that are easy for people to understand and use, why not enlighten more people about your methods in order to help the 'full native btc' economy thrive.

My guess is that the methods are too cumbersome currently for wide adoption or else there's just a lack of education. If it's really only the latter, then the moon rocket is ready for launch. ;-)

[–]Bitcoin_foreverredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Depends where you live and how much desire you have to use Bitcoin.
I live in a small town, small community, where I started few years ago to promote Bitcoin. I was the first one and now is almost in any shop here. The most important thing is how smart are the people you explain about Bitcoin.
Most of my expenses for food are online, from a local shop and part of vegetables (for daily use) I grow myself. There are many places in EU to buy online with BTC. If you really want a product and they don't accept BTC publicly on their web, try to contact them and say you want to order and pay with BTC. Some will accept and send you a BTC address for your order some not. For those that still don't want BTC, I ask for a bank transfer details and I use cashila.com and pay directly with my BTC through mycelium wallet. No bank account required, no details.
The Bitcoin Revolution will never start if people just wait for their gov or local authorities to say "hey from today we accept BTC". People should start looking online and try to convince merchants to accept BTC, merchants to start paying their employees with the BTC they obtained from sales. Talk with people in your local community, the revolution start from low level not from high level...
If I could do it in my community, also YOU can do it! But this depends on your desire to be free from the bankster's slavery.

[–]ecib [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Striped credit cards are a super antiquated way to transmit money. Bitcoin fixed that, but now everyone wants to regress.

If you consider wanting to be able to buy your groceries and eat dinner regressive then sure, I guess...

[–]icanhasreclaims [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

That's a stupid way to interpret it and straw man at best. The regressive aspect is bitcoin has this incredibly secure, useful way for us to all become our own bank, and bitcoin is making future use cases for the credit card companies these services are emulating. Using striped cards is like still using aol when there's chrome for browsing the internet.

[–]ecib [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

That's a stupid way to interpret it and straw man at best.

Ok, how am I buying my groceries to make dinner tonight again? I'm going to Trader Joe's after work.

[–]icanhasreclaims [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

You're still missing the point. The striped card pos system that Trader Joe's uses is antiquated. It comes from the early 1980's. It's a dumb machine, yet you want to switch your smart machine back to the dumb machine.

[–]fussyqbert [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I think he gets that it's an outdated system - the problem is that all the stores are still using it and we have no way to spend bitcoin there :(. If they had terminals that integrated bitpay or something we wouldn't even be having this discussion! Although from my understanding Bitwala is almost a consumer facing bitpay if you think about it?

P.S. love your username lmfao

[–]mathyouhunt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't really follow these bitcoin-> cash cards, so I might be missing something crucial, but they seem to me like they're permanent solutions to a temporary problem. If people continue to spend cash at stores with these types of cards rather than spending bitcoin, the stores don't see to have any incentive to accept bitcoin. Seems like a middle-finger to the stores who do accept bitcoin.

I'm really a very light follower (read: long-time newbie), though, so I wouldn't put too much stock in my opinion. Just a layperson's perspective.

[–]belcher_ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Different people are interested in bitcoin for many different reasons. I'd say let them do their own thing if they want to use bitcoin debit cards.

[–]icanhasreclaims [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sure, I'm okay with that, but these cards are at the end of their lifespan. Paying from a smart device will be the standard method of payment sooner than most think.

[–]AnalyzerX7 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Seeing Bitcoin VISA cards sends me into a mental cluster fuck, why would we take a new technology and shove it into an antiquated system which has proven unsafe/inefficient/invasive. The only justifiable reasons I can currently see are "This is something I am comfortable with and understand." + Immediate inclusion in the current legacy system.

Though this has its place it should not be what we strive for, perhaps a similarly easy way to use this new technology. Built on top of a method which compliments the technology as opposed to integrating with direct competition.

Having said that, perhaps a bitcoin credit card trojan horse is what we need in this spot. Only time will tell

[–]Xekyo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Another reason is compatibility with legacy systems.