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[–]Hot_monkey_dck -11ポイント-10ポイント  (16子コメント)

Well you're already teaching them wrong by having them play on console.

[–]Dark Falz - CerberusPROBABLY_BANG 0ポイント1ポイント  (15子コメント)

explain how console users are at a disadvantage by not playing the pc version without saying third party programs

[–]Fuckfencing -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

explain how console users are at a disadvantage by not playing the pc version without saying third party programs

The answer actually is "third party programs" whether people like it or not. ACT and fflogs are just incredible tools.

I don't get why you'd try to hamstring someone's reply like this.

[–]Hot_monkey_dck -4ポイント-3ポイント  (13子コメント)

Lower resolution

Less grafics

Worse performance

Controllers

Playstation Network

No voice communications

No parsing

More loopholes and restrictions to taking screenshots/video

There's probably some more stuff but that's all off the top of my head.

[–]Maya_Kimura -2ポイント-1ポイント  (9子コメント)

"Lower resolution" - Not a disadvantage.

"Less grafics" - Also not a disadvantage.

"Worse performance" - The game is optimized for my PS4, whereas some PC users might have troubles running the game.

"Controllers" - I wouldn't dare use a keyboard for this game.

"Playstation Network" - Is just fine

"No voice communications" - Are you saying console users can't use TS, Discord, or literally any other voice communications? Because we can.

"No parsing" - Not really a disadvantage, and we can always ask static members or FC members to parse for us.

"More loopholes and restrictions to taking screenshots/video" - I press 2 buttons. For either a full 15 minute recording I can edit later or a snapshot at any moment. Not really a loophole.

[–]Hot_monkey_dck 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

The game running and looking worse isn't a disadvantage? You say the game is "optimised for your ps4", but it doesn't run at a steady 60fps. A PC user having troubles running the game can always upgrade their PC. Console users are stuck with what they've got.

I wouldn't dare use a keyboard for this game.

Lolwut. A keyboard is literally superior for this game. You might find a controller more comfortable but keyboard players have more options for binds and controls.

Is just fine

Except when it's down and/or being hacked

I'm saying you cant use voice communications on your PS4. Do you have a button for push to talk on your controller? Can you have voice and game audio coming out of your headphones?

can always ask static members or FC members to parse for us.

So you're relying on other people to waste their time and cater to you.

A PC user can press one button and doesn't have to go through twitter/facebook/whatever to have access to their screenshots or videos. PS4 screenshots and videos also always look bad because they come out at such a low resolution.

[–][JuX] [JiX] on [Tonberry]TDV 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

BTFO

[–]Maya_Kimura 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

The game running and looking worse isn't a disadvantage? You say the game is "optimised for your ps4", but it doesn't run at a steady 60fps. A PC user having troubles running the game can always upgrade their PC. Console users are stuck with what they've got.

  • Graphics aren't an advantage or a disadvantage. Seeing A8S in 4K 60fps isn't going to give you an advantage over anyone else. Additionally, I've never had any issues between 30 fps or 60 fps games. I've never once said "I'm performing much better now that I'm playing at 60 fps."

Lolwut. A keyboard is literally superior for this game. You might find a controller more comfortable but keyboard players have more options for binds and controls.

  • This is purely opinionated and likely class based. Personally, with half of the DoW class to 60 at the moment, I've not once said "I need more buttons." The closest would be my main Ninja since I've filled my first and shared hot bars with every ability for that Job but I still haven't needed any keybinds or extra buttons. After watching several PC streamers, there's never been one moment where I would've said "wow, their setup would be really convenient if I could do that on PS4."

Except when it's down and/or being hacked

  • So play another game.

I'm saying you cant use voice communications on your PS4. Do you have a button for push to talk on your controller? Can you have voice and game audio coming out of your headphones?

  • Why would I need a push to talk? Even if I did, yes, my TS has it. I keep game audio low because it would drown out communications.

So you're relying on other people to waste their time and cater to you. - First, parsing is 100% not needed. Second, it's not wasting their time if they agree to help you. If they don't want to parse for you, they can decline. I already know just from being top of all the enmity bars aside from MT as a Ninja that I know what I'm doing.

A PC user can press one button and doesn't have to go through twitter/facebook/whatever to have access to their screenshots or videos. PS4 screenshots and videos also always look bad because they come out at such a low resolution.

  • I don't have to go through Twitter or Facebook. Everything is saved on the ps4 itself and I can move it via USB to a PC if I really wanted too, which I don't because I just sent my clips and pictures to my friends through the Ps4.

You sound like you've never even touched a console before.

Edit: not sure why mobile is formatting my responses weirdly.

[–]Leo Strut @BlueGarterLeoStrut_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Now I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over controller vs keyboard, but there are a few things I'd like to point out. First off, while the prettiness of the graphics isn't important, the resolution is actually a huge advantage because it gives you a wider field of vision. Somebody playing at 4k is looking at around 3x the field of vision as someone playing at 1080p. Especially as a healer or, back in the day when BRDs had to be the mechanics bitch, this was a huge help.

Second, Keyboards are objectively better than controllers. That's not to say you can't perform very well with a controller, you absolutely can. But using a keyboard will result in faster response time and therefore better performance. Additionally, strafing with a controller simply isn't an option (which is dumb imo, should be able to hold a button to strafe). This isn't a big deal for ranged, but results in a few missed auto-attacks per fight for melee. These are not opinions, these are objective facts. Now, that being said, this game is far less fast paced than many other games, so you'll perform quite well using any device once you've got the muscle memory built. You're just going to do a bit better with KB/M.

Also, I'm not sure if this is the reason, but for formatting with bullets on Reddit you have to make sure you hit enter twice. Otherwise it goes all fucky on you.

[–]Maya_Kimura 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've not once messed up a mechanic "because I can't see it on my screen".

Also, lock on with L3 allows you to strafe on a controller. But you're going to have to elaborate on how a keyboard gives a better response time than a controller.

And weirdly, using reddit was turning my hyphens into bullets and the bullets are moved in certain ways depending on my spacing.

[–]Leo Strut @BlueGarterLeoStrut_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

And that's fine, but it doesn't change that a higher resolution is better. Being able to see more of a fight is better, period.

L3 allows you to circle strafe, not to strafe. Strafing on a keyboard means I can move backwards or diagonally back while not missing autos and not slowing my movement by using strafe and camera movement simultaneously.

As to response time, it's due to precision. A mouse allows more precise targeting than pressing left/right or up/down (one click vs 2 to 3). Your abilities are immediately available on a keyboard without having to cycle hotbars, which is an additional nth of a second (which isn't a huge deal in a slower game like this). Movement, camera, and actions can all be done simultaneously, which, unless you're using the MH3 "claw" grip (god help your hands if you are), you can't do on a controller.

Again these are all things that add only a few nths of a second each time you have to do them. In the end it's about which form of play you're most comfortable with using for hours on end.

[–]Maya_Kimura [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But... I can move diagonally or backwards while I'm locked on >_> And you can move the camera while locked on as well....

And what do you mean by cycling hotbars? Every ability any class needs can fit on the 1st and 2nd hotbars using R1+L1/L1+R1. I'm never cycling anything. My buttons are immediately available. If you're saying pressing R1+L1 is too long, then I don't know what to tell you.

And I have no idea why or how anyone would claw grip this game. I've only heard of that being used in MH and in rare instances, Smash.

You mention adding "nths of a second" but then state that its irrelevant due to the type of game this is, so why bring it up as a pro/con if that's the case?

[–]Hot_monkey_dck -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You show your stupidity in the first point by mentioning the 4K meme. No one cares about 4K.

Steady 60fps obviously an improvement, if you can't tell the difference you must be blind.

This is purely opinionated and likely class based

No, it's actually not. Keyboard and mouse allows for more binds. This is a fact.

Personally, with half of the DoW class to 60

So you don't know what you're talking about.

So play another game.

This isn't a good point at all. Apply yourself.

Why would I need a push to talk?

So your group doesn't have to listen to you mouthbreathing like a retard

Even if I did, yes, my TS has it. I keep game audio low because it would drown out communications.

I don't even know what you're trying to say here, but it's stupid.

First, parsing is 100% not needed

This is incorrect.

Second, it's not wasting their time if they agree to help you

They're agreeing to help you do something you could do on your own on a PC.

I already know just from being top of all the enmity bars aside from MT as a Ninja that I know what I'm doing.

This made me laugh. You're actually retarded.

I don't have to go through Twitter or Facebook. Everything is saved on the ps4 itself and I can move it via USB to a PC if I really wanted too, which I don't because I just sent my clips and pictures to my friends through the Ps4.

Or you could just have it available to you instantly on PC. How is this an argument?

You sound like you've never even touched a console before.

I own a lot of consoles, including a PS4. But I wouldn't play an inferior version of a game I could just play on PC.

[–]Maya_Kimura 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You show your stupidity in the first point by mentioning the 4K meme. No one cares about 4K.

  • I used 4K as an example, not a meme. You're statement about nobody caring about proves my point. High graphical capabilities isn't an advantage or disadvantage.

Steady 60fps obviously an improvement, if you can't tell the difference you must be blind.

  • Calling me blind isn't helping your argument. Again, if a person outputs the same performance between 60fps and 30fps there's no advantage or disadvantage to compare.

No, it's actually not. Keyboard and mouse allows for more binds. This is a fact.

  • Again, I've never needed more binds than what a controller provides. Saying you do is just telling me your inept with buttons.

So you don't know what you're talking about.

  • What? I've gotten 5 DPS, 1 Tank, and 2 Healers to 60. That's experience with each role type. Tell me how having that versus every class to 60 makes a difference with needing keybinds that you don't need.

This isn't a good point at all. Apply yourself.

  • Actually its a perfectly reasonable point. I've never been around to play the game during those once a year DDOS attacks that last for 1 day because of work. And after work I don't cry that I can't play, I just go play a different game. But sure, we'll say your response was valid: PC games get DDOS'd too, don't act like they don't.

So your group doesn't have to listen to you mouthbreathing like a retard

  • Why are you mouth-breathing? Additionally, if your teammates can hear you breath, you either need a new headset, you need to turn your voice recognition settings lower in whatever voice communication program you're using, or you need to see the doctor.

I don't even know what you're trying to say here, but it's stupid.

  • Nice response. I respect this one.

This is incorrect.

  • Good explanation.

They're agreeing to help you do something you could do on your own on a PC.

  • Again, I have no reason to parse. Let's throw out some scenarios though since you failed to list any reasons:
    • "I need to see how everyone's dps is in this dungeon" What? Why? Nobody cares and you're just going to disappoint yourself when you see the blizzard wizzard doing 100 dps.
    • "Need to see whose not meeting dps checks in this Savage/Extreme run" Bismark EX on release is the only content from my memory that was strict with dps checks not counting gear walls. If your group is failing dps in anything else, you should probably get a new group. But I'll attempt to foreshadow a response from you along the lines of "Not a good answer, you're dumb." In that case, someone else in your group probably does have a parser to figure out who to correct. In that instance, its called working together, not bashing someone because "Your gaming platform is "inferior".

This made me laugh. You're actually retarded.

  • Another well thought out response. I respect this one too.

Or you could just have it available to you instantly on PC. How is this an argument?

  • Why are you acting like pressing a button and moving a USB around is hard?

  • All you've done is say "you're stupid" or "you're retarded." 'Hur dur PC master race' without explaining anything or giving any thought-out responses.

[–]crimzunkyaraah -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Compared to my pc my tv and ps4 combo have Higher resolution

Better graphics

Better performance

Keyboard and mouse and controller support all at the same time

I dunno whats wrong with psn i never have issues with it that isnt my ISPs fault

I have access to voice comms in my phone laptop playstation

I parse the old fashioned way of playing my group and either meeting the dps check or not meeting it otherwise parsing is unnecessary

I have no loopholes or restriction for screenshots and videos

But i do have shortcuts to instantly stream, share photos

Play from my sofa, couch, chair, bed even from the other room

The ability to take my ps4 with me easily wherever i go

Fantastic controller setup

More convenient macros i can design that function with R3+L3 (makes stance dancing engaging)

[–]Hot_monkey_dck 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Could this be the worst post ever made to this subreddit? I'm inclined to think so.

[–]Fuckfencing 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This reply is so nonsense I don't even know where to begin.

 

Better graphics

Better performance

Maybe if your PC is crap, but you can get better graphics and performance out of a new PC build of equal price to a PS4 these days, especially if you don't include an SSD.

 

Keyboard and mouse and controller support all at the same time

PC has this

 

I have access to voice comms in my phone laptop playstation

PC has this

 

I parse the old fashioned way of playing my group and either meeting the dps check or not meeting it otherwise parsing is unnecessary

Maybe if you're in easy content, but this does not cut it for progression Savage content, sorry. Sure, you can tell if you failed or passed the check, but you're not going to find out exactly why in an efficient manner.

 

I have no loopholes or restriction for screenshots and videos

I don't even know what this means. There are no "loopholes" or "restrictions" on the PC

 

But i do have shortcuts to instantly stream, share photos

Modern PCs with NVidia cards have this

 

Play from my sofa, couch, chair, bed even from the other room

PC has this

 

The ability to take my ps4 with me easily wherever i go

Laptop has this. Still better than a PS4 in terms of performance. Easier to take on the go (far easier, to be honest) than a PS4.

 

Fantastic controller setup

PC has this

 

More convenient macros i can design that function with R3+L3 (makes stance dancing engaging)

This is objectively false, but also, PC has this.

 

Just stop.