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[–]faction12 42ポイント43ポイント  (26子コメント)

Ad hominem must be made illegal

[–]PvtPoopyPantsmale model 75ポイント76ポイント  (22子コメント)

Some logical fallacies are so dangerous it may even be ethical to kill people for committing them.

[–]Vittgensteinthats not something sam harris necessarily believes in 13ポイント14ポイント  (21子コメント)

I'm not even going to ask if he said this or not because I like the ambiguity.

[–]drunkentuneODIN THE DREAD 14ポイント15ポイント  (20子コメント)

Sorry to take off the rose-tinted glasses, but it's pretty damn close to what he said: 'Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them.' B-but c-context!

[–]Vittgensteinthats not something sam harris necessarily believes in 16ポイント17ポイント  (7子コメント)

Everytime I think Sam Harris can't say something more idiotic, another Zoolander sequel is announced.

[–]peter_pp 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

Here's a nice collection:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWhNHG2ETrk

What a brilliant thinker he is.

[–]justsoicanpostitLMAO. Fuckin rekt. 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ugh, the civilized human beings comment.

The guy is just so enamored by the idea of thewhiteman'sburden. He's a bigot through and through.

[–]peter_pp 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

You're not considering intentions. U.S. foreign policy is based on good intentions. Intentions matter!

[–]justsoicanpostitLMAO. Fuckin rekt. 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

It just hit me... Chomsky's "but rarely at this level" comment.

He wasn't just saying that he hasn't seen apologetics for state violence with such intensity, but specifically that he hadn't seen someone write off American atrocities "at this level" i.e. the level of intentions, where the idea is to not even get to a discussion of horrific actions, because America has already been excused at the root (at the intentionality level).

[–]peter_pp 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. It's very interesting to read that E-mail exchange. He doesn't even understand what Chomsky's talking about. NC has to explain things over and over again. And now Sam constantly attacks Chomsky on his podcasts, claiming "Ben Carson knows more than him about foreign policy" and other such nonsense. He's like a little brat.

[–]Vittgensteinthats not something sam harris necessarily believes in 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

There needs to be a video equivalent of idiotic exchanges in interviews. I can see how people get tricked by his rhetoric in written word but its really clumsy in an interview, especially with an actual expert on the subject--I'm thinking of, for example, an interview he had with Fareed Zakaria on the Middle East and basically began spouting statements which were made to sound like they agreed with Zakaria's points in previous books but were then going "..and this is why Islam is a fundamentally savage religion"

[–]From_the_Underground 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wow. The context legitimately makes it worse. It went from simplistic and violent to straight up racist and marginally coherent.

[–]drunkentuneODIN THE DREAD 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, don't you see, it makes so much more sense in context and context is key. You just don't understand it because you disagree.

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I already posted this to Drunkentune elsewhere, but for the benefit of all you good people in badphil:

Wow. The context legitimately makes it worse. It went from simplistic and violent to straight up racist and marginally coherent.

Don't mind me, I'm just gonna quote you line by line, sentence by sentence, clause by clause, in the most sanctimonious and uncharitable tone that I can muster.

simplistic and violent to straight up racist

First, that's just an assumption and I don't know how you can back that up. Also, I don't know anything about Sam's internal life but I think you're saying exactly the kind of outrageous thing that Sam would never say, and he can't possibly be motivated by racism either.

The context legitimately makes it worse.

Whaaaaaat? This is just a blatant misreading of the fistful worth of handwaving Sam just did to you without analysis and I think you must be genuinely mentally ill if you think that the complete lack of actual argumentation didn't force you onto your knees to fellate his boot and apologise through your full mouth for having dared to contradict him. asifhsFDSSAF F,AD DFD AJSDFLLLSDF, ADIFHAODSFIH!!! KADFSLDHF? !NLDFSA FHDSLDFPOKJE

marginally coherent.

Ad Hominem.

Wow.

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[–]Vittgensteinthats not something sam harris necessarily believes in 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

I just finished that article and holy fuck, the fact they don't reflect and think about Sam Harris' own fanatic desire to use violence--not peaceful persuasion--to pull people from whatever ethical position he disagrees with is jafiodjfoaijdfo

[–]drunkentuneODIN THE DREAD 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

Are you new here? Because that's why we've been ragging on /r/SamHarris for, like, six months: 'B-but context!'--routine apologetics for a violence-advocating, anti-intellectual, neoconservative fringe thinker.

[–]Vittgensteinthats not something sam harris necessarily believes in 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

No I'm a veteran, but I still never fail to be amazed.

You would think someone as fanatic about shitty arguments for ulitarianism as Harris would have enough of a mind to have an upper limit on stupid shit that can be said. And yet it's been two years since I discovered his atheist zealotry and it never fails to escalate.

[–]drunkentuneODIN THE DREAD 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

There is no limit to the zealotry for Harris. Euphoria will continue to rise, and upon Harris' passing, he will be canonised alongside Richard 'swan' Dawkins and St Christ (PBUH) Hitchens. And then the schisms. I think this will happen at least by the second generation over 'agnostic atheism' after one of them reads about Dawkins' seven-point scale. Because there's no fucking way any of them would read any real work done in philosophy of religion. No Mackie for them.

[–]Vittgensteinthats not something sam harris necessarily believes in 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

If I had a magic wand, I make three so I could get rid of Harris, bring him back, then make him a religious fanatic but existentially frustrated with that fact.

[–]philosophemma 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't you think that's what's going on with new atheist reactionaries anyway? Their world view has all the hallmarks of a fundamentalist religion. They view anyone who isn't an atheist as Other and unquestioningly revere certain texts and figures, for example.

[–]atnormanCurrently 20.8% of people need a bannin' 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mackie

Oppy or bust.

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maajid Nawaz, honorary (whisper it: judeo-christian) Westerner will be in attendance.

[–]faction12 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was banned for posting this on /r/samharris

[–]justsoicanpostitLMAO. Fuckin rekt. 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like torture. It should be illegal but it is still morally justified for the regressives to be adhominemed by Harrisites.

[–]PvtPoopyPantsmale model 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

What am I to do with all these sinners? They broke one of the Commandments of Logic! They keep insisting our Lord and Savior is an idiot.

[–]peter_pp 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

"So you're criticizing Harris. Regressive! Oh, you disagree with Sam's view on foreign policy? Regressive!! You're a regressive leftist! Oh, by the way, stop with the name-calling and the ad hominem attacks!"

[–]slickwom-botI'M A BOT BEEP BOOP 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I AM SLICK WOM-BOT. ANTI-ARISTOTELIAN MODE ACTIVATED.

http://web.archive.org/web/20160504051456/https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/4hrk96/other_examples_of_people_who_have_faced/?sort=confidence

[–]Son_of_Sophroniscusfeatured in "I Dream of Wires" 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unnecessary

Wait... I'm confused.

[–]Sotericmortificationlearning to write backward E's 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you spot genuine or honest-sounding answers with a large negative score, it may have been down-voted.

May have been? Is there another way?