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[–]eax 313 points314 points315 points  (272 children)
Are you gonna stop all brigading, or let SRS still do their thing as they have so far?
Otherwise, sounds good!
[–]spez[S] 282 points283 points284 points  (160 children)
We'll do our best. We can definitely see it happen when we look at the data, and it's super frustrating to watch. I know it's frustrating to be on the receiving end of it as well. We used to be much better about detecting this sort of thing, so I'm confident we can get there again.
[–]our_best_friend 37 points38 points39 points  (49 children)
Are you going to stop the changing of comment votes? I am talking about a comment having 10 upvotes, then I log out and it's only got 6 because it thought some votes shouldn't count because (...I guess some algorithm thinks we are a brigand or something)
Just like shadow-banning (but less serious), it's an annoying example of reddit saying "we are lying to you because we don't trust you". It's the principle more than anything else.
[–]spez[S] 91 points92 points93 points  (44 children)
The votes won't always be a direct reflection of reality, but they can definitely be more accurate. We do fuzz the scores though to make it difficult to tell if a particular cheating technique is working.
[–]JakeTheSnake0709 144 points145 points146 points  (34 children)
Can we get the (?/?) style voting back again? You guys said we wouldn't miss it, but I do.
[–]Parade_Precipitation 66 points67 points68 points  (5 children)
i personally see a lot more anger in reddit since it's been gone.
i think being able to see that at least a few people agree with you when the hivemind is downvoting you, helps to not see reddit as such a reactionary dumb place.
[–]siftingflour 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Absolutely agree - great observation. I've noticed that trend too but I haven't been able to articulate it. It seems like the vibe around here has really taken a hit because of the new system
[–]YOUGOTMOxY -5 points-4 points-3 points  (3 children)
reactionary
Or SJW
We have a far-right and far-left problem on reddit.
[–]billndotnet 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
That's not a reddit problem, that's a society problem, one I blame McCain and Palin for. That's not partisan rhetoric, that's just an observation of the effects their speeches and pandering had, playing us v them on a global stage.
[–]YOUGOTMOxY 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
You can't blame McCain and Palin. First: they're minor in this issue. Second: Now both sides do it.
[–]billndotnet 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Doesn't make it ok. At some point, someone has to stand back and say, this is fucked up, and we're all wrong for doing it.
[–]codeverity 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
I hope /u/spez answers this, I would like it back as well!
[–]jack_skellington 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
Reddit's... uh... "competitors" have implemented that, and are using it as a selling point.
[–]weezer3989 comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (12 children)
It wasn't accurate, at all. Not sure why people want something that's repeatedly been shown to be giving inaccurate data back.
[–]orost 11 points12 points13 points  (5 children)
A number inaccurate by a few percent is a whole lot more informative than no number at all.
[–]zardeh -4 points-3 points-2 points  (4 children)
yes because (10/4) when in actuality it was (2/0) is absolutely reflecting reality.
[–]orost 8 points9 points10 points  (3 children)
Comment scores were never fuzzed like this.
[–]zardeh 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
yes they were, in fact that was an example that spez or kn0thing used in a prior thread.
EDIT: nvm, it was deimorz
[–]Turbo-Lover 3 points4 points5 points  (5 children)
Because we no longer have a good idea of roughly how many people are contributing to the score. Did 10 downvotes make the comment controversial or did 1,000 downvotes make the comment controversial? It's just context, but context is important sometimes.
[–]weezer3989 4 points5 points6 points  (4 children)
You didn't know that before. Admins have stated in the past that the (?|?) numbers could be off by a ton.
[–]Turbo-Lover 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
Sure, but I didn't know that I didn't know that before. I don't need the actual number (though I would strongly prefer it), but tell me something close. It was a marker that I relied on before (erroneously, in hindsight) and I miss it.
[–]weezer3989 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
Missing it is fine. It was useful back when we thought it was more or less accurate. Asking for it back now we know it was wrong is what doesn't make sense.
[–]aryst0krat -7 points-6 points-5 points  (0 children)
I sure as hell don't. It was never accurate anyway.
[–]Amablue -1 points0 points1 point  (9 children)
That makes it much easier for spammers to manipulate votes.
[–]cha0s 3 points4 points5 points  (8 children)
Assuming they're fuzzed, how?
The reason given at the time was "people feel like reddit is a negative place" :|
[–]Amablue -1 points0 points1 point  (7 children)
Assuming they're fuzzed, how?
If they're fuzzed, then there's no point in having them. The point of putting those numbers there is to give you information. If that information is routinely flat out incorrect, then there's no value in putting it there.
The reason given at the time was "people feel like reddit is a negative place" :|
I'll have to dig through admins posts, but I'm pretty sure they also said that it was done because vote totals were just wildly incorrect all over the place and so users were getting false information. And the reason they were incorrect all over the place was to prevent vote manipulation.
[–]cha0s 2 points3 points4 points  (6 children)
Sure fuzzing will be a bit inaccurate (we can settle for that), and hey, they could even do "X% like this" like with submissions.
In retrospect, it's obvious that it was one of the first steps along the "let's sanitize reddit and make it seem like everything is always super duper okay!".
[–]weezer3989 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
Sure fuzzing will be a bit inaccurate (we can settle for that), and hey, they could even do "X% like this" like with submissions.
It was super inaccurate, so inaccurate as to be useless. The example deimorz gave was showing (10|7) when in reality it was (3|1).
[–]Amablue 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
and hey, they could even do "X% like this" like with submissions.
That would be cool and I'd totally be behind that, but that's different than (X/Y) on comments
In retrospect, it's obvious that it was one of the first steps along the "let's sanitize reddit and make it seem like everything is always super duper okay!".
I dunno, it makes sense to give people an accurate vote count. It's not about sanitizing things, it's about not giving people false reasons to be upset.
[–]FilmMakingShitlord -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
No, because then they couldn't actively push comments the way they want.
[–]weezer3989 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
If they're manipulating comment/submission scores, why couldn't they just manipulate it with up/down votes showing? They'd have complete control, just as they do now.
[–]Bubbascrub 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Was this the reason for the (?|?) change a while back?
[–]SirNarwhal 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
It's blatantly obvious to tell if particular cheating techniques are working because you and other admins have outlined all of them multiple times over the years... That and many powerusers of the site get around said problems incredibly easily.
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    [–]MrDannyOcean 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    it makes life much easier for vote-bots/spam-bots/etc if the scores are always 100% literal. The reason they fuzz is to mess with those bots.
    [–]ReCursing 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    What, you mean the vote fuzzing algorithm?
    [–]weezer3989 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    The old algorithm wasn't giving accurate vote totals either.
    [–]tadcalabash 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    He just mentioned it, to prevent cheating and vote rigging.
    [–]Indianaj0e 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    So when I see a post on the front page that has +8000, and an hour later it's at +5000, and another hour later it's at like +6000, is this what's going on?
    [–]americanpagesus 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    When will the up/down vote numbers be back?
    [–]JacKaL_37 17 points18 points19 points  (0 children)
    That's called vote fuzzing, and it has nothing to do with trusting us and everything tondo with fooling bots. It has to exist everywhere for it to work, and it will never swing your small number of votes totally in the wrong direction (it's proportional).
    The best advice for dealing with it is to not take your karma too seriously and pay more attention to the general direction of your votes rather than worrying about hording every last one.
    [–]TheNr24 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    "we are lying to you because we don't trust you".
    More like
    "We are lying to all of you because we can't trust some of you."
    I can't imagine that's going to change any time soon, especially as they try to get even better at stopping cheaters.
    [–]st_gulik 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
    Vote fuzzing is to keep spambots from figuring out the algorithm.
    [–]Reddisaurusrekts 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    "we are lying to you because we don't trust you".
    Worse, it's infantilising because to me, it's saying "We're lying to you because we know better."
    [–]CarmineCerise 244 points245 points246 points  (69 children)
    So I guess /r/bestof will be first on the list in regard to brigading?
    [–]BurntJoint 165 points166 points167 points  (11 children)
    No, see /r/bestof is a veritable Reddit gold factory so its ok.
    [–]InternetWeakGuy 1 point2 points3 points  (6 children)
    Is it though? Lets say five posts a day get guilded, and each gets an average of 3 guildings, seven days a week, $4 for gold....
    $420 a week. You really think a multi million dollar company cares about $420 a week that much? Lets say it's 10 posts a day, and six guildings each - that's still only $1600 a week.
    Chump change.
    EDIT: Just went through the 25 posts on the front page of /r/bestof and there's 11 gold total between them. That's $44. You think a company worth a couple hundred million makes policy decisions based on $44 a day?
    [–]aphoenix 1 point2 points3 points  (5 children)
    Any company that operates in the deep red area (such as reddit) is not going to shut down something that passively accrues income, even something on the order of $420 per week (which after a bit of quick napkin math, actually seems quite high, since you were very generous with your initial parameters).
    It's also about the message of the brigade. Positivity brigades aren't something looking for a solution. It's the negativity brigades that everyone wants to stop.
    [–]InternetWeakGuy -1 points0 points1 point  (4 children)
    It's not that simple though - yes the posts in /r/bestof are largely positive things, but in many cases the upvoted comment is in disagreement with someone, and that person gets downvoted to shit.
    Realistically, maintaining some sort of "good" and "bad" brigade list, or programatically allowing brigades from bestof but not SRD will cost them more than they make in gold from the subs, which is chump change (as I pointed out in my edit, it's more like $300 a week. That wouldn't buy coffee for the office.
    Hey, i'm just shooting holes in the theory that bestof is allowed to brigade because it's such a HUGE money maker. It really isn't.
    [–]aphoenix 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
    I agree that it's not that simple, but I think that in most cases, when people want to stop "brigades" they are talking about dissenting brigades, which BestOf is not (despite the side effects you've mentioned).
    My napkin math still has $300 / week as quite high. From BestOf's gilded tab, it looks like they get about 1000 gilds in a year. That's about 75 bucks a week.
    I don't think we disagree on stuff, other than the fact that even 75 bucks a week is something when you operate at such a loss. They're probably trying to think of ways to make more subreddits generate them 75 bucks a week, not to shut down the ones that do, since if all subreddits made them 75 bucks a week, they'd be significantly less in the red.
    [–]InternetWeakGuy -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
    I agree that it's not that simple, but I think that in most cases, when people want to stop "brigades" they are talking about dissenting brigades, which BestOf is not (despite the side effects you've mentioned).
    That's what people talk about, but the point from Reddit's view they're looking to block (to quote /u/spez elsewhere in this thread) "any automated or coordinated behaviors that undermine Reddit".
    The "side effects" I mentioned are people funnelling hundreds of thousands of users into a conversation to boost one side's point. That's a coordinated behaviour to undermine the free flow of discussion.
    From BestOf's gilded tab, it looks like they get about 1000 gilds in a year.
    That's within bestof - the point is about comments that are linked from bestof that get guilded - they won't show up against bestof.
    I don't think we disagree on stuff, other than the fact that even 75 bucks a week is something when you operate at such a loss.
    Yes, but the point I'm making is that a $75 a week income stream that costs $100 a week to maintain or has a $15k setup cost (such as writing the exclusion algorythm) doesn't make business sense.
    Again, I think we're in agreement and I don't really have a dog in this fight, just discussion.
    [–]aphoenix 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    That's within bestof - the point is about comments that are linked from bestof that get guilded - they won't show up against bestof.
    Yes, you're right, and my napkin math was awful.
    a $75 a week income stream that costs $100 a week to maintain or has a $15k setup cost (such as writing the exclusion algorythm) doesn't make business sense.
    reddit as a whole currently doesn't make much business sense. That's one of the main issues. They just cost money, and they don't make any.
    [–]Amablue 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
    How much gold do they actually produce? It would have to be a lot for it to make an actual impact in their decision making. They have 50 million in the bank, they don't need 30 odd dollars here and there from best of links.
    [–]RandomBritishGuy 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Almost every major post on there leads to 2-3 gildings, almost without fail. It makes a decent amount for them, and is popular, so applying the same laws to them that people want applied to subreddits they dont like is not going to be liked.
    [–]Reddisaurusrekts 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    It's not about the gold, it's about the attention brought to "good" posts which raise Reddit's PR.
    [–]mynameispaulsimon 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Would you consider gilding to be manipulative? It doesn't affect the post's position on the comment thread.
    [–]sn34kypete 50 points51 points52 points  (54 children)
    Bestof requires NP links, which prevents voting. If you're caught removing that prefix and brigading, you are punished. SRS does not require NP. Additionally SRS posts the vote count at submission and prides itself in making those upvotes turn negative.
    Also bestof is a subreddit that celebrates reddit. SRS's stated goal is to see the site burn.
    [–]CarmineCerise 142 points143 points144 points  (20 children)
    Bestof requires NP links, which prevents voting.
    No they don't. It discourage voting but people still get around it and people still comment.
    Anyone who's ever been linked to by /r/bestof or moderated a subreddit that was linked to by bestof can tell you that the voting is obvious, sometimes into the thousands.
    [–]baardvark 84 points85 points86 points  (10 children)
    NP links don't disable voting in any mobile app I've seen. Might want to find a way to fix that.
    [–]Demonix_Fox 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    As far as baconreader, I've tried and it shows that you vote, but if you leave the post and come back the votes are gone. That's more of an app side thing not dealing with it.
    [–]hwalsh01 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    I believe I heard that it's because NP links aren't actually a thing and are just a CSS hack. Hence why mobile users can still vote and comment.
    [–]SleepyHarry 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    I wouldn't be so sure. For example, I use reddit is fun on Android (which is really good, fwiw), and I can go into threads years old, and still "vote". At least, according to the app I've upvoted something, but I believe this is only a clientside upvote, as "things" (this actually is a technical term) are archived after 6 months and I believe cannot be voted on in a way that will affect the serverside vote count.
    TL;DR: Just because it looks like you've voted on something, doesn't mean that your vote has actually counted.
    [–]Reddisaurusrekts 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
    NP links don't even register as different from normal links on Alienblue.
    [–]32OrtonEdge32dh 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Probably because they aren't any different.
    [–]cnot3 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    an official Reddit Android app might help
    [–]altdecay 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    He just announced it in the post! So hopefully we can look forward to that soon.
    [–]iismitch55 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    They don't disable it with desktop either. You just get a little message that says you shouldn't do it, or you could be banned.
    [–]Manlychester_United 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Alien blue especially. The vote count on it is extremely broken
    [–]MattsyKun 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Right now, that'd be up to the app developers themselves.
    [–]zimm3r16 -5 points-4 points-3 points  (3 children)
    Yes and people still steal when it's illegal. People will always find a way to bypass it. The goal is simply to make it as difficult for most people to not bother.
    [–]Hetzer 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
    It clearly isn't deterring "most people."
    [–]Paleran 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Because all you have to do at the moment is replace 'np' with 'www'.
    AFAIK, 'np' isn't even supported by Reddit directly. It's more of a "please don't do this" kind of thing.
    [–]Hetzer -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Right, which is why something else is needed to prevent bestof from crushing smaller subreddits.
    [–]TPRT -5 points-4 points-3 points  (4 children)
    The point being is that /r/bestof at least tries not to brigade
    [–]CarmineCerise 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
    So are you honestly saying if SRS put up .np links redditors wouldnt constantly bring them up in discussions about brigading? Because that's just not true.
    [–]TPRT -4 points-3 points-2 points  (2 children)
    I'm saying they just blatantly don't give a shit and are actively brigading which is an entirely different animal than an extremely popular link sub that actively tries to stop people from brigading.
    I could honestly care less about your SRS vs le reddit battle. It's just a point.
    [–]UnderALemonTree 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    blatantly don't give a shit
    The second rule of the subreddit explicitly forbids downvote brigading, including downvoting in linked threads.
    are actively brigading
    [–]TPRT 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    That post admits to brigading. Sure whatever maybe it doesn't happen anymore, I don't care enough to argue about this. But you just showed me they did at one point.
    I wonder why everyone thinks SRS brigades?
    e: lol you are a member of SRS. That's hilarious. I'm definitely convinced now.
    [–]James_Knox_Polk 71 points72 points73 points  (17 children)
    Okay, please don't downvote me to hell... But literally every time I see something linked to SRS it only gets upvoted even more. At least any time in the past year. Are there any recent examples of what you're saying?
    [–]Meatslinger 2 points3 points4 points  (9 children)
    That would still be brigading, even if it's in a positive direction. The point of anti-brigading is that in the interests of fairness, no one post should receive special attention over another. Posting a comment from a smaller subreddit to a larger community for the purpose of boosting it stands to be just as unethical and unfair as posting a comment for the purpose of vilifying it (like SRS).
    [–]daria-darko 10 points11 points12 points  (8 children)
    I don't think the votes are coming from SRS at all in those cases. Usually what happens is:
    the post is linked from SRS.
    totes messenger bot posts a comment to that effect.
    people reply to the bot comment something to the effect of "here comes the downvote brigade".
    people think they are being brigaded and so upvote to counter it.
    SRS is so tiny/mostly don't brigade that any actual brigading goes unnoticed and the net votes go way up.
    [–]Meatslinger comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (7 children)
    [–]daria-darko 4 points5 points6 points  (6 children)
    Yeah I'm not talking about if they brigade or not, honestly I don't really care. I was specifically addressing why I think the vote totals go way up when SRS links to big subs like /r/pics or /r/funny. I've seen that same pattern happen over and over again. The spectre of SRS is enough to get people to massively upvote.
    [–]Meatslinger 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Ah, yes. You're perfectly right on that front. But, either way, an upvote brigade in response to a perceived downvote threat is a problem itself. People wouldn't be reactively upvoting if they didn't know that downvote brigades are a real possibility. Either way it's users manipulating other users into artificially modifying the score of a post instead of actually grading it on its own merit.
    [–]CACKENBOOLS -2 points-1 points0 points  (3 children)
    It doesn't matter if you care. It's a rule. This is my understanding of how rules work, which are not in line with reality on reddit.
    [–]Watswrong 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    People complain about how SRS is ruining Reddit, but if SRS is posting about the 'shit' wouldn't they be trying to remove said shit from the website, making it better?
    [–]smacksaw -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
    SRS "upvotes are downvotes" etc is literally breaking the rules of reddit. When the tools don't matter, you are anti-reddit.
    [–]Gryphon0468 -20 points-19 points-18 points  (4 children)
    They were upvoting most stuff that related to negativity towards reddit and the admins, so burning the site.
    [–]allnose 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
    Wait, SRS was behind all the Pao hate? And the Pro-Victoria/Pro-Mods/Anti-admin/Anti-Pao blackouts? SRS started the KiA megathread for those incidents?
    [–]James_Knox_Polk 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    This conspiracy has gone full circle.
    [–]Gryphon0468 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    No? Where exactly did I say that?
    [–]allnose 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    They were upvoting most stuff that related to negativity towards reddit and the admins, so burning the site.
    The implication was that SRS either caused or significantly contributed to the negativity, which I tried to sum up in my comment above.
    [–]Eyezupguardian 11 points12 points13 points  (4 children)
    How is someone caught removing the prefix?
    [–]bfodder 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    How does some one get caught is what he was asking for.
    [–]deafy_duck 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Oh. I'm guessing reddit can follow the links you've clicked through and from.
    [–]KimJongIlSunglasses 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Did they mention the new keyloggers?
    [–]CrystalElyse 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    Yeah, but it doesn't work on mobile. And in browser you can just delete the "np." and reload to just end up in the same spot and vote or comment anyway.
    [–]Amablue 9 points10 points11 points  (2 children)
    If you're caught removing that prefix and brigading, you are punished.
    If you're caught brigading with or without an NP link you get punished. The NP link has nothing to do with it.
    NP is just the country code for nepal. Using that in the URL was just an idea by a community member. It was never an official feature of the site. It has no bearing on whether people get banned or not for brigading. It's never been required. The admins don't even like it.
    [–]KELonPS3in576p 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Np stands for "No participation" and has nothing to do with Nepal. I don't care if I took the bait.
    [–]Amablue 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    NP was chosen because there's no nepalese translation for reddit and its unlikely there ever will be, and because the feature was going otherwise unused, so people started using it as a CSS hack. It's supposed to be used to set the language.
    [–]Toucanzhigher 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
    NP doesn't do anything.
    [–]UnderALemonTree 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    Additionally SRS posts the vote count at submission and prides itself in making those upvotes turn negative.
    Not only is this presented without any sort of proof, it's demonstrably false.
    [–]I_CAPE_RUNTS -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
    that link goes directly to an SRS subreddit, so by definition no one will take it seriously.
    [–]Telenerd 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    If they were smart they would have just parsed all submissions for Reddit links and prepended the np automatically. That's like a whole line or two of code though.
    [–]orange_jooze -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    SRS's stated goal is to see the site burn.
    lol
    [–]bfuller181 -12 points-11 points-10 points  (0 children)
    bestof is a subreddit that celebrates reddit SRS
    FTFY
    [–]SirNarwhal 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Maybe /r/subredditdrama first. Usually their brigading has the largest impact in both positive and negative directions out of all of the subs. They piss in the popcorn the most by a mile.
    [–]LakeRat 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    With respect, you seem to have dodged his question:
    Are you gonna stop all brigading, or let SRS still do their thing as they have so far?
    He's asking about the current selective enforcement of anti-brigading rules. Many subreddits are forced to walk on eggshells to enforce np linking and avoid anything that remotely looks like it might cause people to brigade, while a handful of others, mostly SRS, seem to be able to do whatever they please with no consequences.
    [–]DoxasticPoo 17 points18 points19 points  (0 children)
    It's more frustrating that they're allowed to do it so obviously, yet the slightest bridaging from other subs brings down the hammer.
    There's an obvious double standard toward groups that align ideologically with... uh... certain life "philosophies" or "world views".
    [–]capslock 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    You should contact /r/girlgamers regarding brigades. We get a lot of it from every 'side' of reddit. (I am a mod there for five years.)
    [–]eax 5 points6 points7 points  (23 children)
    Thanks for the reply! That is very good to hear, it has been incredibly weird seeing subreddits banned for brigading, but the most well-known pulling it off for so long unbanned. So I am personally looking forward to the changes, thanks!
    [–]IAMAVelociraptorAMA 4 points5 points6 points  (22 children)
    SRS hasn't brigaded in a long time.
    [–]IAMAVelociraptorAMA -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    ...uh, okay? So more people agree that SRS isn't brigading than disagree with it. That literally has nothing to do with anything, lol
    [–]TheNr24 -4 points-3 points-2 points  (8 children)
    I bet they're doing it right here, right now.
    [–]SocialistJW 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
    I don't think you're clear on the concept of brigading.
    [–]TheNr24 -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
    Damnit, thought about including the /s but left it out in the end.
    Should've known better. Oh well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    [–]orange_jooze 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    You bet? Now that's some solid proof right there.
    [–]IAMAVelociraptorAMA 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    [citation needed]
    [–]IAMAVelociraptorAMA 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Yeah, that was in response to "are you going to stop all brigading", not to SRS in particular
    [–]Sacrix 1 point2 points3 points  (6 children)
    Haha good one.
    [–]llkkjjhhggffddssaa 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    There are much better examples of subreddit brigades. /r/subredditdrama and /r/bestof being the worst offenders.
    [–]Reddisaurusrekts 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    SRD is effectively SRS. It was anti-SRS until it got taken over.
    [–]IAMAVelociraptorAMA 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
    A SRC poster accusing someone of brigading?
    color me shocked
    [–]Sacrix -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    A what poster? And I didn't accuse anyone, I just mocked those who pretend SRS doesn't brigade. Subtle difference, shitlord.
    [–]IAMAVelociraptorAMA 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    "subredditcancer", a sub of assholes who think there's a huge conspiracy of power users to mod a bunch of subs and enforce a radical feminist agenda
    [–]mginatl -4 points-3 points-2 points  (3 children)
    Nah, they still do it sometimes. Just a lot less frequently than before
    [–]IAMAVelociraptorAMA 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
    [citation needed]
    [–]IAMAVelociraptorAMA -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    Yeah, that was in response to "are you going to stop all brigading", not to SRS in particular
    [–]SegregationForever 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Didn't another admin say the alleged brigading of SRS never happened? What happened to that?
    [–]highspeed_lowdrag2 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    What about brigading by subreddits that organize their brigading outside of reddit?
    [–]Dear_Occupant -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    I'm really curious to know what sort of anti-brigading measures you have in mind.
    I am a subsrciber and contributor to /r/SubredditDrama. I follow all the rules, I have never voted or commented in a linked thread, yet we constantly get accused of brigading. The problem is that we get new users all the time, who either don't see the rules when they come in through /r/all or they simply don't think the rules apply to them.
    Here's what I'd like to see:
    • If someone votes or comments in a thread linked from SRD (i.e. their browser referrer link is from SRD), the SRD mods get a notification. I know the admins can check this stuff, so there's got to be a way to make it possible.
    • If an SRD mod bans a user, that user can no longer click on linked threads in SRD. The link simply doesn't work unless they log out, at which point they can't vote or comment. It would be even better if SRD links simply didn't appear on /r/all for banned users, period.
    • If a banned user opens up the SRD main page, they only see a "YOU HAVE BEEN BANNED" message. If they create a new account to see what's in SRD, that's ban evasion which is already against the rules.
    I think I speak for the majority of SRD users when I say we just want to enjoy our popcorn without bothering anybody. Also, it gets really obnoxious to have the entire rest of the website accuse me of something of which I am completely innocent.
    [–]derganove 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Products and services from companies similar to Palantir may increase your ability to find out hot spots before they explode.
    However, with Palantir having their background, I wouldn't choose specifically Palantir, but something in similar service.
    [–]KrillBeBallaz 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    How about show the upvotes and downvotes again, so you can see which ones have a lot of support both directions.... it's annoying that posts with a 1, which could have 500 upvotes and 499 downvotes, are relegated to teh bottom of the page.
    [–]matt01ss 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Are there any plans to implement an official way to link to other threads/comments instead of using the NP CSS hack?
    [–]Im_a_wet_towel 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Wouldn't it make sense to make those subreddits show a picture of the comment in question instead of linking to the threads themselves though?
    [–]manwithabadheart 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
    Why weren't subs like SRS banned for brigading ages ago?
    [–]not_a_throwaway23 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
    Good question. Maybe /u/spez can tell us which admin, or former admin has been protecting them all this time.
    [–]manwithabadheart 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
    Or maybe we'll be downvoted by SRS as they brigade the thread.
    Classic reddit.
    [–]xtrasneakygastro -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
    Or maybe your comment is just dumb as fuck and tired, so nobody wants to see it
    [–]lapzkauz comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (0 children)
    I feel a great euphoria in the wind, as if thousands of tumblrina warriors were triggered and then suddenly silenced
    and it feels good
    [–]Frankeh 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Just make np links actually disable voting.
    [–]SirCarlo 83 points84 points85 points  (45 children)
    SRS is a relatively small sub which is no way near as active in brigading as it once was. Why is that the one reddit always uses as an example whilst there are plenty of other subs more at fault?
    [–]BaronPartypants 13 points14 points15 points  (2 children)
    Because people like consistency with the rules? They should be enforced across the board. Just because SRS is "small" doesn't mean it's exempt from the rules.
    [–]MoederPoeder 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    Right, but that's not what they're saying, they're saying that SRS isn't that much of a threat anymore and that its weird that people always jump straight to SRS when they think of subreddits that brigade, while bestof and SRD, etc probably are much worse offenders.
    [–]i-am-you 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    SRD is the new SRS
    [–]onefoot_fourgarretts 33 points34 points35 points  (8 children)
    Cause they're upset that they actually make sense sometimes. Sure, sometimes they're stretching for things to hate on, but when they do make sense, everyone would prefer to yell about how awful the brigades are than accept they were wrong. All it takes is one person leaving the sub on occasion and everyone cries brigade.
    [–]tronald_dump 58 points59 points60 points  (4 children)
    I think a much better example is the undeserved brigading/tantrum of racial slurs and insults toward an interim CEO, by a group much larger in size than SRS. come to think of it, its funny how no one brings that up.
    [–]reddit_feminist 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    The fallacies that come with majority rule
    [–]Hollic 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    I think they're not brought up because their favorite sub was banned, so it's a pointless exercise.
    [–]CACKENBOOLS 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Yeah, those bastards wouldn't stop brigading FPH.
    [–]Gata_Melata 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    During the FPH fiasco, comments to the effect of "Yeah, that place was pretty shit" we're getting brigades to hell as well. Honestly, I feel like the "shitlord" subs brigade just as much if not more than the "sjw" subs.
    [–]SirCarlo 11 points12 points13 points  (1 child)
    To be fair whenever im on the sub I see them linking some real shitty things that redditors have said. I don't see any issue with the sub for calling reactionary redditors out on their ignorance. Whilst so many people here love their idea of freedom of speech, other people should be free to call them out on their bigotry.
    [–]onefoot_fourgarretts 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I definitely agree with you whole heartedly with that first bit. There's a lot of things to be said about what comes up on reddit sometimes. I do agree with the general consensus that there should be better brigade control (ie, at least make the links np), but as a whole most people don't actually leave the bounds of the sub, and the posts are mostly justified.
    [–]Chicomoztoc 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    The more you browse that subreddit the more you will realize they don't stretch things as much. The shit reddit says is abysmal sometimes, outright sexism, racism and sociopathy getting upvoted. It's sad and weird.
    [–]Sixxyphone 4 points5 points6 points  (5 children)
    Because they still brigade? And flaunt it?
    "They aren't as bad as they were before," is not an excuse for allowing a sub that has broken, and continues to break, reddit rules to continue operating. All that does is show that brigading is okay for certain subs.
    Yes, other subs are worse. And they should be banned too. SRD has become even worse than SRS, yet they also operate with impunity. That is not okay no matter how you spin it.
    [–]jsmooth7 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
    So basically you are saying all meta subreddits should be banned? Because any sub that links elsewhere on reddit is going to cause some amount of brigading, guaranteed.
    [–]Sixxyphone 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    Yeah. I don't really see a problem with that, especially considering most large meta-subs are created with the intent of spreading a specific set of beliefs by creating a human driven search engine. It's disruptive and stifles discussion no matter who does it or what set of beliefs they feel are right and justified in spreading.
    Unless the admins can create tools that prevent brigading from meta-subs, they should be banned.
    [–]jsmooth7 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    It would still be nice to be able to link to other parts of Reddit. There is a lot of interesting content that is posted here, and it would suck if all of it was made off-limits.
    That said, I do agree that the current system doesn't work very well, and some better tools to deal with brigades are badly needed.
    [–]Beepbeep847 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Actually, the SRD mods and most users heavily discourage brigades. They ban anyone that they catch brigading and do their best to prevent it from happening.
    [–]Sixxyphone 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Their best isn't good enough, and that's through no fault of their own. They can't catch everyone that brigades and they can't ban people that don't post in the meta thread.
    Aside from removing posts to controversial topics, which they won't do because that's their bread and butter, they can't stop the influx in traffic that meta threads inherently generate.
    [–]TheLiberalLover 4 points5 points6 points  (4 children)
    It's funny, one of the subs most heavily opposed to SRS employed a brigade against circlebroke just yesterday. SRS never does anything of this scope. There was also that time KiA brigaded the entire sub of /r/planetside to posts having scores <0 because they didn't agree with one mod. But nah, SRS are the real bad guys.
    [–]Sixxyphone 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
    So someone created a mass tagging bot that lumps together subs like /r/coontown, /r/mensrights, /r/kotakuinaction, /r/theredpill, and /r/subredditcancer that was rife with errors and inaccurate tagging.
    Half of the "evidence" posts are people complaining about being mistagged and the other half are people complaining about users from completely disparate subs being be targeted for harassment. The original post wasn't brigaded and the only actual linking was to an archived version of the OP.
    And you're complaining about /r/kotakuinaction brigading? Give me a fucking break.
    [–]TheLiberalLover -2 points-1 points0 points  (2 children)
    The evidence posts are directly from the post that was linked to through the archive link. I understand that it was linked that way, but Redditors are not so dumb they cant remove a few letters in the URL to get to the original post. Archived links are just about as useful as np links. The evidence is really clearcut brigading. It doesn't even matter if you agree with the post or not, the whole point of my post was to point out the brigading. It doesn't matter what the people were complaining about. It matters that they came to our sub through that post and subsequently downvoted on it and commented on it. Aka the definition of brigading.
    No one is "targetting" people for harassment. The mass tag user is something that is literally in the sidebar of /r/SRSsucks too, but you don't see SRS complaining about that. It's just there to let us know what communities people are from, using a tool that has existed for years.
    And yes, I am complaining about /r/kotakuinaction brigading, because THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY FUCKING DID.
    [–]Sixxyphone -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
    The evidence posts are directly from the post that was linked to through the archive link. I understand that it was linked that way, but Redditors are not so dumb they cant remove a few letters in the URL to get to the original post. Archived links are just about as useful as np links. The evidence is really clearcut brigading. It doesn't even matter if you agree with the post or not, the whole point of my post was to point out the brigading. It doesn't matter what the people were complaining about. It matters that they came to our sub through that post and subsequently downvoted on it and commented on it. Aka the definition of brigading.
    The evidence is people complaining about a broken bot that shouldn't be used and the OP saying that they're brigading because they disagree with them.
    That's not brigading, that's the OP being unable to accept criticism.
    And seriously? The OP went from 30 to 24 up votes and that's your definition of large scale brigading? Get over yourself.
    [–]TheLiberalLover -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    The evidence is people complaining about a broken bot that shouldn't be used and the OP saying that they're brigading because they disagree with them.
    Congrats, you read the comments and summarized them in an editorialized fashion. What you failed to realize is that these comments are from KiA/MensRights users who found the post through links on their subreddits, and then came and commented! OP said they were brigading because that's what they were actually doing. I don't understand why this is so difficult for you to understand.
    If SRS ever linked to KiA, and then a few users came and started "complaining" about something someone there said, the entire sub would explode in anger! But if KiA does the exact same thing it's just the fault of the OP of the brigaded post obviously. Listne to yourself. Please explain to me how coming to a different subreddit through a link from one you are not subscribed to and then commenting on it and downvoting the post is not brigading. (Hint: you can't).
    It's not about "large scale brigading." Not once did I say it's large scale. It's more about the hypocrisy about endlessly hating SRS for "brigading" subs while doing the same thing themselves.. Even KiA mods were coming to our sub to argue with us. But if you really want evidence of "large scale brigading," look no further than the brigade on /r/planetside and /u/Magres.
    [–]Play_by_Play 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Yup. While r/bestof is probably responsible for the most brigading, r/subredditdrama is responsible for the must brigading with bad intentions. It's so funny how people constantly complain about SRS still (even though that community has evaporated) ave totally ignore SRD. It's like your neighbor complaining about your mean dog all the time but never says shit about the even meaner grizzly bear right next to him.
    [–]noteverrelevant 3 points4 points5 points  (12 children)
    I'm ignorant. What's SRS?
    [–]KOM 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
    /r/srs, shit reddit says. A few years ago it transformed from a pretty good idea (identifying and calling out the blatant racism/mysoginy, etc. around here) into a self-acknowledged circle-jerk of persecution olympics. For a time they were large-scale brigading even the least-controversial comments/threads that they didn't deem PC enough. It's largely died down but remains a boogey-man to most of those same racists. The call to ending SRS isn't about justice for current practice, but revenge.
    [edit] right, /r/shitredditsays my mistake.
    [–]MaceWinnoob -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    The reason that it's a circlejerk is because if you tried to allow discussion, it would immediately be overwhelmed by the usual casually racist/sexist views of the hivemind. The only way to counteract that is to circlejerk and ban anyone who breaks the jerk.
    Essentially, SRS strives to be a sort of anti-reddit where the average redditor is in the minority while minorities on normal reddit are in the majority.
    It's a pretty great idea.
    [–]camboj 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
    Pretty much a sub dedicated to calling out sexism, racism, etc.
    [–]IshouldDoMyHomework 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
    It is also a hyper feminist circlejerk, and hypocritical to an extend I have never seen anywhere else
    [–]camboj -5 points-4 points-3 points  (1 child)
    How's is it hypocritical? They seem to be pretty consistent on their opinions.
    [–]IshouldDoMyHomework 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Case in point. They where all up in arms about a transsexual not being treated as a woman, since she is born that way. It is not by choice. I couldn't agree more.
    Then a guy speaks up about having sexual urges towards kids, but never acting upon it, and hating himself for it. Same kind of deal. He is born into it, and it is certainly not by choice. Yet this guy and everyone supporting him gets crucified over there, and reddit is now a pedo ring.
    Obviously the guy should be heavily criminalized should he choose to become a child molester, by acting upon whatever it is he is feeling.
    So its OK to be born different, as long at it is different in the way SRS happens to agree with.
    [–]pcgamer27 comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (4 children)
    SRS, r/shitredditsays for short, is a subreddit like bestof, except that they're filled with SJWs that are overly sensitive and can't take a joke, which leads them to link to comments that they deem as "offensive"
    Edit: Bring it on
    [–]SirCarlo 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
    oh no the scary skeletons
    [–]123BRDman -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
    its le joak!1!
    edit: y don't you guys literally get this comedy genius???
    [–]honeybadger105 -5 points-4 points-3 points  (5 children)
    Because SRS has done some fucked up shit in the past and the admins haven't done much about it.
    [–]SirCarlo 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)
    Like what?
    [–]honeybadger105 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
    Doxxing, the Violentacrez scandal, etc.
    [–]asdsdfgdf 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    They weren't responsible for either of those. And they are against doxxing.
    [–]TheLiberalLover 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    The violentacruz scandal was by that person and that person alone. I have no clue why the gets pinned on the entire subreddit over and over when it's literally just that person doing the doxxing.
    [–]suto 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Because whenever some SJW does something evil it's a nefarious plot orchestrated by SRS. And if you can't find evidence on /r/SRS, it's because they must have conspired on IRC or somewhere else. MUST HAVE.
    [–]BananafishGlass -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    This is going to sound petty and oversimplified, but, a lot of Reddit is terrified of the SJW bogeyman they think is destroying reddit/society, and they see SRS as the de facto SJW HQ.
    [–]teapot112 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    The cases where folks from SRS engage in rule-breaking is rather low for their subreddit size. When we do catch folks from SRS actually engaging in brigading or doxxing, we ban them, just like any other subreddit. If SRS gets to a point where that becomes endemic and the mods and us are not able to control it, the subreddit will get banned.
    The level of trouble we see from SRS is no where near that level. SRS is also an extremely popular flag to wave around when controversial topics get brought up, even if folks from SRS aren't touching the thread at all. SRS gets brought up by the general community far more often than it is actually involved.
    Edit: If you're wondering why it never appears that we comment on this stuff, take a look at the score on this comment and you'll learn why. We do comment on it, but people don't like the answer so it gets downvoted. It is a bit silly to decry perceived silence on a subject, then to try and bury the response when you see it.
    Take a look through the thread for info on our position regarding this subject. You may not like the position, but a response was requested, so I gave one.
    Furthermore, /u/Sporkicide writes:
    We haven’t banned it [/r/ShitRedditSays] because that subreddit hasn’t had the recent ongoing issues with harassment, either on-site or off-site. That’s the main difference between the subreddits that were banned and those that are being mentioned in the comments - they might be hateful or distasteful, but were not actively engaging in organized harassment of individuals. /r/shitredditsays does come up a lot in regard to brigading, although it’s usually not the only subreddit involved. We’re working on developing better solutions for the brigading problem.
    [...] I'm aware that there have been issues with /r/shitredditsays in the past (and by past, I mean in previous years). It does get reported for possible brigading regularly, because it links to things that tend to be controversial, as do a lot of other subreddits. It tends to get reported whether it's actually the cause of the votes changing or not - based on my observations, there are usually at least 3 subreddits involved. We're okay with users pointing out things elsewhere on the site to talk about them. We know vote brigading is a major problem because we see the negative effects it can have on a community. We're not okay with using reddit as a platform for harassment, and by harassment I don't mean being disagreed with or downvoted.
    [–]SocialistJW 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
    People have this weird idea that the only people who disagree with them all belong to some shadowy uber-subreddit. Maybe you're just reprehensible?
    [–]snaxsnax 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    That's what the SRS shadow cabal wants you to believe
    [–]TripChaos 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
    You do realize they are still growing right? Redditmetrics.com/r/shitredditsays
    [–]TheFatalWound 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
    Redditmetrics.com/r/shitredditsays
    Do you not realize that your link proves my point? They're the 578th ranked sub in terms of size. They're small, dude.
    [–]TripChaos 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    >20,000 is not small, especially when talking about brigading. If one srs post gets .5% of subs to vote that's a 100 point swing, which is enough to bury anything young enough to still be flexible.
    Its actual sub count wasn't why I linked it though, I linked it because it shows that they are still growing, not shrinking as many seem to claim.
    [–]TheFatalWound 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Did you read the admin part of what I originally posted? Everything you're trying to talk about was already addressed.
    [–]TripChaos 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    You mean the quote from over a year ago? Yes, I have read it. The fact still remains that even then the admin didn't say they don't cause problems, only that per sub count others cause more. Either way, that comment is still quite outdated.
    I've not even called for srs to be banned, I'm simply refuting the idea that we can somehow handwave them aside by saying there're too small to worry about or some bs. I'm not a big user by any stretch and even I've had to deal with them.
    [–]SRS-SRSLY 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    ;_; can we go back to "SRS controls reddit and sleeps with the admins" being the top comments?
    [–]ClemsonPoker comment score below threshold-22 points-21 points-20 points  (42 children)
    It's pretty obvious that SRS is protected by the admins. While Pao was CEO they 'banned' nonparticipation links, basically to flaunt the fact that the rules don't apply to them.
    [–]Madbrad200 25 points26 points27 points  (24 children)
    Technically*, not using NP links is not against the rules. It isn't even supported by Reddit.
    [–]jsmooth7 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
    Also np links do next to nothing to prevent brigading. They are more of a placebo then anything.
    [–]ClemsonPoker -5 points-4 points-3 points  (22 children)
    If other subs link without NP they are quick to be accused of brigading. SRS doesn't even have to pretend not to brigade.
    [–]weezer3989 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)
    From the past year, give an example of posts getting downvoted to hell after getting linked to SRS? They conveniently give the vote scores for every submission, and even have a bot that tracks votes over time (though it doesn't always work), so it should be easy if vote SRS brigading was a real issue.
    [–]farbenwvnder 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    and even have a bot that tracks votes over time (though it doesn't always work)
    from my experience it just broke a good while ago and hasn't worked once since then. I've looked at some REALLY damning graphs before it peaced out and even afterwards have seen 3 day old comments get linked and have their score changed when there's like zero natural votes expected
    [–]Amablue 15 points16 points17 points  (5 children)
    Because SRS are trolls and feed on your hate.
    The amount of outrage leveled at them is absolutely ridiculous. They know the rules and they follow them so that they don't get their sub banned, but that doesn't mean they follow rules that don't exist. And they love it when people like you throw fits about it because that's what trolls do.
    [–]James_Knox_Polk 20 points21 points22 points  (6 children)
    I've never seen SRS brigade in the past year. If anything, the upvotes tend to go up after being posted to SRS.
    [–]orange_jooze 2 points3 points4 points  (6 children)
    Maybe they just don't brigade? You people keep going on and on about brigading, but once somebody asks you to provide an example, you just ignore it.
    [–]______________pewpew 25 points26 points27 points  (12 children)
    Yawn, change that record already dude.
    [–]ClemsonPoker comment score below threshold-28 points-27 points-26 points  (11 children)
    Oh, look, they're here.
    EDIT: And wow, look at that, all my posts went from positive to negative. It's almost as if their behavior is predictable. Have a nice day you hateful pricks.
    [–]xtrasneakygastro 12 points13 points14 points  (1 child)
    Ayy lmao get rekt kid, you're downvoted cause you are an idiot
    [–]SocialistJW 14 points15 points16 points  (5 children)
    People who might post on SRS posting in an announcement thread?!? BAN THEM ALL!
    [–]Youareabadperson6 comment score below threshold-14 points-13 points-12 points  (4 children)
    Socialism is a objectively inferior ideology.
    Edit: Lol, the SJW birgade is out in force in this thread, squealing like the irrational creatures they are.
    [–]Dubhe14 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    Socialism is a objectively inferior ideology.
    Dude maybe you shouldn't complain about downvotes when you post stuff completely irrelevant to the discussion?
    Read reddiquette, that's literally the purpose of downvotes.
    [–]__IMMENSINIMALITY__ 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
    HALP I'm being a victim!
    [–]rhynodegreat 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
    [–]zeslinguer 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    you are a grade A moron.
    [–]Beepbeep847 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    It wasn't to flaunt anything, they stopped using np links because np links don't do anything helpful and don't actually work on many subs. The admins have been complaining about np links for years for the same reasons which is why they never actually made them mandatory.
    [–]__IMMENSINIMALITY__ 10 points11 points12 points  (2 children)
    What year is this? 2012?
    [–]ClemsonPoker comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (1 child)
    No, in 2012 SRS was still just screaming at the walls. Now their agenda is reddit's agenda.
    [–]x347 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    ...so you're saying they've matured?
    [–]locosherman1 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Reddit is on its way to becoming the host of one of the largest white supremacist sites on the internet (while they are being sponsored by the site itself to have ad-free space), but ya, let's worry about SRS.
    [–]magic_is_might 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    I, too, like to pretend SRS is still relevant.
    [–]BenedictCumberland 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Have you even been to SRS?
    [–]TheWildRover_ 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    The one question about SRS and it's met with a shady unclear answer.
    [–]GunnerGold -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    SRS
    SRS isn't very active.They have moved their base to /r/Subredditdrama
    [–]duckvimes_ 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    SRS is an irrelevant boogeyman.
    [–]HImainland -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Here's the thing though. Yes the admins should take reasonable action to prevent brigading, but people should also not be assholes and stop brigading. Any course of action they take to completely prevent brigading I imagine will take away too much freedom redditors value.
    [–]ultronisright 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    WHAT ABOUT LE SRS??!
    [–]Pilebsa -8 points-7 points-6 points  (0 children)
    SRS need to be the first sub in the "quarantine"
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