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Mod Announcement: We're considering banning all domains that require users to disable ad blockers and we'd like your input (self.technology)

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It has come to our attention that many websites such as Forbes and Wired are now requiring users to disable ad blockers to view content. Because Forbes requires users to do this and has then served malware to them we see this as a security risk to you our community. There are also sites such as Wall Street Journal that have implemented pay-walls which we were are also considering banning.

We would like all of your thoughts on whether or not we should allow domains such as Forbes here on /r/technology while they continue to resort to such practices.

Thank you for the input.

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[–]the_good_time_mouse 1622ポイント1623ポイント  (51子コメント)

Do it.

Media sites need to accept that they can't expect veiwers to respect their rights to monetize while they continue to pollute search results to boost their ranking.

I am all for sites with whatever ad-based or subscription business model they want, but as long as they are abusing search results with paywalled information, I'm going to jump that fence and, moreover, look for better news sources.

[–]baevar 276ポイント277ポイント  (14子コメント)

Absolutely do it: http://www.extremetech.com/internet/220696-forbes-forces-readers-to-turn-off-ad-blockers-promptly-serves-malware

I understand they have to make money, but media sites did this to themselves by trusting 3rd party ad networks instead of doing their own advertising like every publication since the printing press. Every time I follow a link and realize that it's Forbes, I turn around and go the other way. Same with other "you must remove your ad blocker sites" NOPE, it's there for a reason, and that reason is that you squandered your right to be trusted by trusting MY security to 3rd party ad networks. I'd be gracious that the mods are saving me the effort.

[–]Require_More_Mineral 87ポイント88ポイント  (8子コメント)

My favorite is "Please rotate your phone to view this ad". HA! Yeah, you start holding your breath now and I'll let you know when I'm ready.

[–]beebler 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yours is a good point. I block ad networks. If a site wants to serve an ad from their own domain then that's fine by me.

[–]Tantric989 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I got hit with this one and some other forum site. Both times they told me to disable ad blockers, both times I got hit with popups for malware. Never again.

[–]GoldenFalcon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's funny, because sites that I legit want to help monetize, get me to turn off my adblock anyway. They don't ask or force me to do it, I do it automatically. Maybe these sites should think about trying that.

[–]I_can_pun_anything 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not only that but I try and use the forbes site and the thing doesn't even load for a minute.

And every damn article is a list with each item on a new page. I don't have the patience to deal with that.

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    [–]IMind 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yes I fully agree. Do it.

    [–]Hubris2 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

    As Reddit we have a moderate amount of power - Forbes and Wired would likely notice the decrease in traffic coming from front-page stories. Let's use our position to send a good message on behalf of netizens everywhere!

    [–]happyscrappy 30ポイント31ポイント  (26子コメント)

    What does abusing search results mean?

    How are they abusing search results?

    [–]tehmlem 118ポイント119ポイント  (24子コメント)

    They're obfuscating content by making a promise of results that aren't actually available to the majority of searchers. They're turning search results into free advertising without actually providing the content that turns up (without an additional fee).

    [–]Mealzy 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Could you demonstrate this? Sites I have used such as financial times and WSJ will give you all the content if clicked through google.

    [–]Sw0rDz 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

    They basically have a script that detects if you're a search engine's web crawler. If you are that, then they will provide you with content needed to make their search result seem good. The content that is indexed by the bot is not the same as the content provided to the user at face value. That user either has to pay a fee, register, like something, etc.

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            [–]tehmlem 305ポイント306ポイント  (14子コメント)

            The best way to encourage responsible ad sourcing is to cut into the revenue from the standard model. I say ban away.

            [–]n1c0_ds 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

            What do you think will come next? Paywalls and sponsored content are far worse than banner ads.

            [–]baevar 76ポイント77ポイント  (7子コメント)

            Do you not realize how much malware comes from ad networks?!

            EDIT: blah blah Teach a man to fish instead of browbeating him about not knowing how malvertising works

            http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/03/big-name-sites-hit-by-rash-of-malicious-ads-spreading-crypto-ransomware/

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malvertising

            [–]zimzamzoom2 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

            I agree. I block ads because I don't wanna see spammy shit, and of course there is the protection from malware.

            If websites get some sense they would have non-obtrusive (text based?) advertising that adblock (can) allow through.

            [–]Talonek 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

            I block ads because I don't like malware, and because the ads are plastered all over the middle of the article, made to look like legitimate articles, pop-up in the middle of my fucking screen requiring my input, make pages take FOREVER to load, and start playing fucking videos.

            I would disable on any site to just displays ads to the side of the content. I would disable on youtube if I only had to watch 15-30 second commercials, with no long commercials that require my input to skip. I honest to god would.

            Nobody will ever do these things tho.

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                  [–]MrMediumStuff 132ポイント133ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Drop the banhammer. Drop it hard.

                  [–]alephnul 108ポイント109ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Do it please. I won't click on them anyway, but I would just as soon not have to see the link.

                  [–]lgats 415ポイント416ポイント  (11子コメント)

                  Paywall sites and sites blocking ad-blockers should be tagged with a warning.

                  [–]GuruMeditationError 227ポイント228ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  Paywalls should just be banned. They're litter for 95% of redditors.

                  [–]tonycomputerguy 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Usually the content gets posted by some based throwaway.

                  [–]ttubehtnitahwtahw1 36ポイント37ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Not the mention the shills that post them in hopes someone will pay.

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                    [–]beef-o-lipso 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Good point. Even Forbes has some content outside the blocker.

                    [–]SerCiddy 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    I think this is a fair compromise. Poor advertising practices aside, I think it should be up to the user to decide if they want to view a website with anti-ad-blockers in place. Most of reddit seems to find this type of practice appalling, but I'm more for allowing the users to decide for themselves than for banning them outright. if I see a pawall and/or anti-ad-block warning I may not click the article, but it might still be good for me to know that the article exists so I might educate myself on the topic through other means.

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                      [–]Joplin_Spider 103ポイント104ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      Instead of banning Forbes articles you could say that those articles are only accepted if they are put on archive.is or a similar archiving site. This allows people to view it while taking into account security concerns.

                      [–]EatingSteak 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Ever since I discovered voat, I fell in love with archive.is - it gives you exactly what you want, without patronizing sites with good content but who obscure it with crap.

                      Forbes is the worst offender. I love archive

                      [–]Epistaxis 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      That's probably illegal though. If you want to boycott, then just boycott.

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                        [–]Radiobamboo 53ポイント54ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Yes! The king shall recognize this peasant revolt and sign the Magna Carta.

                        [–]jodido47 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        The king signed the Magna Carta under pressure from the nobility, not the peasants.

                        [–]dennis1645 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        The nobility being the mods here.

                        [–]Oni_Kami 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I fully support this. They can act like disabling ad block is the right thing to do, so that they get ad revenue to keep running their sites, but things such as malware being delivered through ads just makes it inexcusable. Anti-adblock walls, and paywalls should definitely be banned (especially the latter).

                        [–]NICKisICE 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        It wouldn't impact my life much because I refuse to go to those sites anyway.

                        I'm for it.

                        [–]sickofallofyou 61ポイント62ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Ban paywalled, warn about adblocked.

                        [–]sleepingsysadmin 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Extremely agree they should be banned.

                        [–]xAlias 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Just ban it imo since I close the site immediately once I get the msg that I need to disable my ad blocker to view it.

                        Yes I get it that they are dependent on ads for running but forcing me to disable ad block isn't the way to do that without even allowing me to try if I like the site or its content first.

                        Simple as that. I just exercise my freedom of not being confined to that new site for my news source :)

                        [–]StumbleOn 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        100% agreed.

                        The internet is becoming more savage, less safe, and more intrusive. Any site that forces me to view its ads but refuses to scrupulously prevent any of them from being malware is not something I ever wanted presented to me.

                        [–]Tony49UK 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        If you could ban Forbes that would be great. If you allow ads they serve up malware if you keep your ad blocker on you can't see anything.

                        [Financial Times](www.ft.com) could do with blocking as well. Nobody has a subscription to it.

                        [–]Cutlasss 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I've tried to bring this subject up with some of the economics subs. No traction yet. So I'm with you.

                        [–]riffdex 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Banning is preferred, but tagging them would be a nice middle-ground. Is there any way to filter reddit so that those who refuse to use those sites won't see content with those tags?

                        [–]happyscrappy 26ポイント27ポイント  (9子コメント)

                        I think the companies are entitled to their ad revenue. Although I would say that if the alternative is just standing by while the copyrighted content of the site is posted in the comments ("for those with ad blockers"), then at that point you might as well just block the sites.

                        I ultimately would like to see the votes take care of burying these sites if they aren't providing useful content to those who click their links.

                        [–]NoobInGame 12ポイント13ポイント  (7子コメント)

                        I ultimately would like to see the votes take care of burying these sites if they aren't providing useful content to those who click their links.

                        This is why I don't quite understand why mod action has to be taken in the first place. Site didn't serve you well? Downvote.

                        [–]brierrat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I agree, companies are entitled to their ad revenue. When they start serving their own ads and taking responsibility for their ad content directly rather than spewing outsourced 3rd party spam, I'll let my computer download it.

                        [–]Made_in_Murica 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Force websites to use responsible as practices rather than force me to view their crappy website that's bloated with ads

                        [–]EatingKidsDaily 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I'm OK with paywall sites because they aren't inherently damaging to the reader. You can choose to pay or not and the ramifications are simple to understand. Requiring changes to client software with no regard to the software nor the risk posed to the client is a problem, not solely ad blockers but any plugin or software. It's one thing for a publisher to ask that you pay for their content directly. It's another for them to encourage you to be less secure; many users will not understand the risk they take by allowing certain ads.

                        [–]drenalyn8999 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        If they serve you malware they deserve to be banned that is a flagrant abuse of power.

                        [–]_personna_ 80ポイント81ポイント  (49子コメント)

                        You could tag these sites (ie NSFW), instead of banning altogether. Then the user could decide to click.

                        Edit: not the literal tag NSFW, but something like it.

                        [–]creq[S,M] 56ポイント57ポイント  (13子コメント)

                        Misusing the NSFW tag like that would be confusing, but it is would be possible to auto-flair these types of posts as something else.

                        [–]_personna_ 68ポイント69ポイント  (10子コメント)

                        "NoAdblock"

                        "Paywall"

                        "NSFB" (not safe for browser)

                        are examples of what I had in mind.

                        [–]moxy801 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        I think the above poster meant a tag LIKE the NSFW tag, not literally labeling them as such.

                        [–]Awkward_moments 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I hate the NSFW tag being used for anything other than NSFW though (well and for use with NSFL as long as the post says NSFL)

                        [–]sigbhu 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        it's hard to see tags on mobile devices and clients

                        [–]Wuzupmyhomiz 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Or/Additionally, create a bot that would provide a text copy over at pastebin, or an equivalent, for posts that are flagged as being paywalled.

                        [–]jaymz668 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        tagging seems the best policy to me as well. Since the number of these sites are probably going to grow in size, but they will have relevant content.

                        [–]All_Work_All_Play 14ポイント15ポイント  (21子コメント)

                        This is a good middle ground. Censorship is bad (who will watch the watchman?) but awareness is good.

                        [–]brerlapingone 24ポイント25ポイント  (20子コメント)

                        It's not censorship in any way, shape or form. Nobody is suggesting you can't go to those sites. I'm all for disallowing sites with Paywalls or that require adblockers be turned off. I pretty much 100% of time close those pages when they're linked here. The ones that let you read for a while then hit you with a timed message are especially irritating.

                        [–]PastaPappa 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I like that idea. Of course, since we now see we're going to link to forbes (at least on the desktop browser), I just don't click on those.

                        [–]moxy801 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I agree - sites should not be banned but tagged as unreadable for those with ad blockers.

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                          [–]melston9380 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          do it.

                          [–]MightyDope 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Yes ban them

                          [–]A40 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          COMPLETELY agree. Ban away.

                          [–]study_team 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          uBlock Origin has no issue with those sites. Not all adblockers are created equal.

                          [–]t3chtony 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Great on desktop, fucked on mobile. Just ban them

                          [–]pipsname 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Works fine on Firefox on Android.

                          [–]hanoian 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          Tagging is a far better solution. Plenty of people don't use ad blockers.

                          [–]tootiredtopick 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Here's another vote for ban.

                          I will never alter security settings on my devices to view content on any particular website.

                          [–]InSOmnlaC 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          Please do. Whenever I accidentally click on a Forbes link, it's nothing but irritation. Sites like that have no place on the internet, and we shouldn't send any traffic their way.

                          [–]LilDickyDebate 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Warn not block.

                          Some users here might not use adBlocker or mind disabling for these articles. Banning them wouldn't give users the choice to visit the sites and might not otherwise discover the article.

                          [–]Drdoom0000 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          I definitely agree that sites that require you to disable ad blockers or have pay walls should no longer be allowed. I use mobile a lot when browsing Reddit and Forbes wont let me read anything on it because the site believes I am using an ad blocker all the time (which I am not). If people stop using sites with these types of barriers, maybe the reduction in visitation numbers will convince these sites to cease such practices in the future.

                          [–]sentient_entropy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I gladly support the banhammer, but some other user's suggestion of simply flairing them as paywalls certainly sounds reasonable as well.

                          [–]Lettershort 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Forbes needs to be banned anyway. Their articles are garbage.

                          [–]annoyed_freelancer 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Do it. This is just the next blow in the endless Advert Wars, but I for one say that it needs to be struck. Don't punish your visitor for their choice of client software.

                          [–]scarystuff 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Do it!

                          [–]ArrrGaming 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Absolutely, ban away. I'd hate to waste any of their bandwidth in the first place since I'm never ever fucking ever going to disable my ad blocker for some web site. No content's that good and if it is, it's available elsewhere.

                          [–]EnigmaticTortoise 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Only allow archive links for those domains, easy solution.

                          [–]rydavim 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I won't ever read articles on sites that would be effected by this change. Ban or tag away.

                          [–]EightyS3v3n 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          do it, i don't read articles on sites slowed by ads or sites that block ad-blockers anyways.

                          [–]Come_And_Get_Me 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Its an excellent idea.

                          [–]swaggman75 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          I say ban everything that doesnt allow direct view of content, including ones that have content in a slideshow

                          [–]MrMediumStuff 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Seconding this. Fuck a slideshow.

                          [–]creamersrealm 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I think they should be tagged personally, so people are aware of them.

                          [–]DeeWBee 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Maybe not banned, but definitely tagged

                          [–]SrSkippy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Doesn't matter to me, either way I won't see whatever it is. If it's behind a wall that requires ad block to be off, I assume it's trying to install malware anyways.

                          [–]beef-o-lipso 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          How will the ban list be maintained? Can you alter this reddit to have the Report options show "Ad Blocker Blocker" or something like that?

                          [–]creq[S,M] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          We could do that. The enforcement part would come from automod.

                          [–]markmore679 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          I believe sites should not be able to detect your ad blocker in the first place. I'm not going to sacrifice a higher speed and less glitchy online experience just so a website can make money

                          [–]h3rrmiller 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I think it's a good idea.

                          For posters: copy paste the article in plain text and cite the source to prevent lawyers

                          [–]h4x3r101 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          do it

                          [–]jacks638 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Do it!

                          [–]penguished 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          sounds like a really good idea. and definitely ban the pay walls too... they aren't useful links.

                          [–]Spokebender 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Please and thank you. And do it site-wide. This evil must be stamped out.

                          [–]DragoonDM 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I'd be okay with this. Most important stories would be reported by multiple outlets anyway, so we might as well support the ones that aren't dicks.

                          [–]sjmahoney 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Thank you please. Good bye Wired, Forbes, and friends. I'm sick of the shitty popups and mal-adware and sick of them telling me to disable if I want to read their fine content. I'd rather just not even come across it again.

                          [–]monkkbfr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Completely agree.

                          [–]joshthehappy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I'm all for it.

                          Fuck those sites!

                          [–]Daniel_Ascended 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Do it. Screw em.

                          [–]jlu97 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Fuck Forbes.

                          [–]Whargod 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Get rid of the lot, they aren't doing a service to anyone. The malware is kind of the worst case scenario at the moment and you never know where it will come from if there are ads all over the place. I don't like the risk.

                          [–]DFu4ever 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Ban both. The "disable ad blockers" trend is one that needs to be crushed now.

                          Or eventually tricked later by new add ons!

                          [–]redvonrowdy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Yes! And thank you in advance!

                          [–]csonnen 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Yes. Yes. For the love of the Internet yes.

                          [–]baxter12345 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Please do it! Until people start making moves like this it will just keep getting worse. A line needs to be drawn.

                          [–]destroy--everything 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I say do it .

                          [–]HaTaX 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I think this is a great step in the right direction, a few times I've clicked on a shortened link only to end up at Forbes' 'disable your adblocker' message. Ad blocking is implemented at my DNS server for ad delivery, analytics, and other unsavory domains. There's no way I'm changing this for one site, so I just go elsewhere for the news.

                          At least with an ad riddled newspaper I can throw away the ads easily, this is like a glue that can't be removed without staring at the ad for a predetermined time. It's BS, screw em if they don't want to find a non-invasive manner of delivering ads. Seriously since they make money off the ads, is it too much to ask an employee to screen said advertisements for malware?

                          [–]baltes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I vote yet please!

                          [–]AcidSnowScArab 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Ban them. I absolutely hate loading Forbes.com because they have forced pop-ups: so yes, please ban sites that troll its users! I always press "BACK" when their site starts to load.

                          [–]lollookatthatnoob 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Go for it.

                          Fuck those whiny cunts anyway.

                          [–]Seccedonien 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Banning them sounds perfectly fine to me.

                          [–]artsy10 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          If they are so desperate, they probably don't serve a good enough product to compete. I'm all for banning them.

                          [–]corey_m_snow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Absolutely. These companies must learn that they don't add enough value to justify the intrusive and frequently abusive (malware-ridden) ads they try to force on visitors.

                          [–]Eriamjh1138 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Ban 'em or tag 'em.

                          [–]roo-ster 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Don't ban the domains; require a flair to indicate that content can't be viewed if ad-block is enabled.

                          Sites should be allowed to require the ads in exchange for the content, sp users can decide whether the content is worth it to them.

                          [–]shawndw 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          JUST DO IT!!

                          [–]avboden 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Not for it, they have the right to block ad blockers just as much as we have the right to use em

                          [–]valleyshrew 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Only do it if there is proof of malware. Sites cost a lot to run and they have a right to make free users see advertisements to recoup the investment in creating great content that everyone can enjoy. Advertisement supported content means poor people can afford to get great stuff for free. I had no problem turning my ad blocker off for Forbes, the ads there are not intrusive at all. Pay walls can be banned if they aren't easily gotten around like using incognito, or clicking through from google. Banning these sites will simply mean more sites with less journalistic integrity will be posted.

                          [–]darkenedgy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I would rather choose for myself.

                          [–]AdrianBlake 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Don't do it. They're basically saying "Look, we write for a living and we aren't asking for money, we just want you to have a picture on your screen. If you don't do that then we don't get paid, so just don't block this picture." I think that's reasonable, and I think using adblock is a selfish dick move that is going to ruin the free Internet.

                          [–]MasterBassion 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Do it. A resounding "aye" from my corner.

                          [–]v3c7r0n 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Ads suck, we all know and agree on that.

                          Yes websites need to make money too. I get it, money makes the world go round.

                          That said, I do not agree with a website forcing me to see an ad to read their content.

                          I say ban them until they see how bullshit that practice is, if they ever do.

                          [–]elfdom 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I would suggest the following, variants of which are implemented on other subreddits:

                          1. Any site or pages that are known to risk harm to users should be added to a list for immediate and automatic deletion on submission with an appropriate message to the submitter for the reason, typically within the thread itself before its deleted. This includes mainstream sites that serve malware

                          2. Create a bot where any site which is known to block content should be tagged as appropriate, e.g. "Paywall", "Ad Block" etc.

                          An alternative to the latter would be a way for users to themselves tag sites from a list of given tags. Users should, of course, never be directly in control of the automatic deletion list though.

                          [–]HankTheWu 7ポイント8ポイント  (15子コメント)

                          Websites need to make money too. I understand disabling Adblock is annoying and could potentially be a security risk (the Forbes malware is news to me) but I think punishing all sites that ask to be whitelisted is a bit unreasonable.

                          [–]Madcat555 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          Asking to be whitelisted is not the same thing as gating indexed and searchable content.

                          [–]SumPpl 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          I agree with this point. Instead of blocking, it could be tagged to warn visitors that these websites require ad block to be disabled.

                          [–]7Mints 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          Websites / businesses aren't entitled to profit. The fact no one here cares that they could be blocked on this sub is indicative of their value.

                          [–]HankTheWu 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          No one is saying they are entitled to profit. You don't have to enjoy their content if you don't want to. They are, however, entitled to fair compensation for their work. If you want to visit their site, you are not entitled to do so however you choose. It's their site. They get to pick their rules. Also, there are a lot of "no ones" here that actually do not want these sites to be blocked. Have you read the comments in this thread? With that being said, I (and evidentially a lot of other "no ones") definitely think the tagging idea is fair so people can make an informed decision before they visit the site.

                          But yeah people demanding other people's hard work for free is just silly.

                          [–]mistakenstranger 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          And what does the fact that the sites get upvoted today say? A ban wouldn't be required if people didn't think the content was valuable.

                          I think tagging the posts is the best option here.

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                            [–]thmanwithnoname 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Nuke 'em.

                            [–]masterm 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Ban them

                            [–]snachodog 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Do it

                            [–]dutchbob1 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            You have my full support to do so

                            [–]EscapeBeat 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I support the ban. The fewer clicks they receive the better.

                            [–]Noshiba6 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Yes

                            [–]donaldtroll 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Please ban all those domains!!! We have to put our foot down sometime!

                            [–]shnicklefritz 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I say ban them. If they're resorting to forcing ads, odds are the information in there is mostly opinion anyway

                            [–]Fly_Caster 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            If a site has a paywall or wants you to turn off AdBlock, just Archive.is the article.

                            [–]scotchglass 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Agreed do it. I could care less about their business model. I will find my content on websites that don't use advertising schemes developed in the 90's.

                            [–]sommerlundprime 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Do it

                            [–]mountain_man72 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Ban away!

                            [–]geuis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Do it.

                            [–]Sm314 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Yes.

                            [–]MeGaTrOn6x9X 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            YES!

                            [–]1chemistdown 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Yes!

                            [–]anapivirtua 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Just do it. ©

                            [–]ASovietUnicorn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Do it. Reddit drives traffic and hopefully if they see a sizable drop in traffic they will reevaluate.

                            [–]Cubbance 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I'm all for banning those types of sites. It's especially frustrating when I'm at work, because I don't have any control over ad-blocking and the like.

                            [–]Phayke 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            The world can easily live without Forbes and wired.

                            [–]notstephan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Don't ban them fully, maybe add a flair to posts saying that they require you to disable ad blocker or make them clear that this is the type of site you are about to go to.

                            [–]myrj 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Please ban those domains.

                            [–]gurenkagurenda 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Honestly, I'm not sure if that's the right response. I find it annoying when sites do this, but I find it less annoying when, say Wired does it (their ads are not horrible) than when Forbes does it.

                            There's probably no reliable way to distinguish those though, since different people will have different thresholds for when ads become intolerable.

                            But I think tagging them, as /u/lgats suggested, is a good idea.

                            [–]cymrufollies 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Do it. They might have the goal of monetizing their site, but I am the one who pays for the computer, electricity and internet subscription. Therefore I have about the same rights as they do. Besides, it's the organizations who put their sites online...I never asked them to.

                            [–]ItsAboutSharing 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Let the dinosaurs die. We may miss some decent articles, but in due time all will be taken care of.

                            [–]WrinkledTime 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I agree. Sites that are willing to compromise visitors computers, or track and trade information should not be encouraged to continue these practices.

                            [–]Targren 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Out they go!

                            [–]warhorseGR_QC 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Yes, please do.

                            [–]w0ls0n 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Yes, please do.

                            [–]Reverend_James 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            I vote to educate the masses that you can use your ad blocker to block the anti ad blocker message.

                            [–]creq[S,M] 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            What's happening is it isn't just a message saying please disable it, Forbes blocks people from seeing anything at all if they're using one. I suspect other websites might start following suit.

                            [–]kinsmed 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Grew up a poor kid (and ADD). Ads are a slap in the face. Life is a breeze without ads. I go to a site and it has some interference before I get to the intended content or a splash screen seconds into using it? I backspace to the initial link. If I need to see the content, there are other sources or I can get there in an private incognito window.

                            [–]ChewieFlakes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Ban them.

                            [–]OrksWithForks 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I think this is a great idea.

                            [–]IFindYouDreadful 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Do it.

                            [–]ThatGuyAgain2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            ADVERTISER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST

                            [–]Riddla26 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            And nothing of value was lost.

                            [–]Doctor_Sportello 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            do it

                            [–]Yage2006 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I am all for this. DO IT!

                            [–]Thegreatpain 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Do it.

                            [–]codewolf 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Ban them.

                            [–]Logisticsbitches 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Do it please.

                            [–]Thatsnotwhatthatsfor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            My vote is for banning them.

                            I just close out of those links and move on anyway. In my opinion, those are just a waste of time.

                            [–]Briarmist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I already don't go to them due to their adblocking policies but I like the idea of banning them outright.

                            [–]DiscGolfFreak 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            YES YES YES

                            [–]jlpoole 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Censorship always sprouts with the best of intentions. I do not click to Forbes, except once every 3 months to see if they have matured and changed their ill-advised policy of denying access to those who use ad-blocking. I prefer to be my own censor.

                            [–]Waviaerith 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Do it, perhaps they will change their ways when their flow of traffic reduces.

                            [–]SoundManCO 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Do it.

                            [–]oonniioonn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Fucking do it.

                            [–]Roguewolfe 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Please do it.

                            [–]drbcladd 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Ban them

                            [–]mexicanomamado 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Do it

                            [–]I_would_hit_that_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            On a scale of 1 to 10 my agreement level is at 65535

                            [–]5ilverMaples 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Im down. We arent here for ads. Fuck ads.

                            [–]Majni 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Absolutely ban all websites that use anti-adblockers and pay-walls, every single one... /r/WorldNews and /r/News should implement this in conjunction with you immediately as well, if /r/Technology mods wouldn't mind contacting them to do so.

                            [–]Another_Generic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I disagree with this. I have subscriptions to some of these pay walls, and I do not mind removing my adblocker for sites that I support. I have other security measures on my computer to prevent malware buildup, and so that has never been a problem for me.

                            Let's not limit the content we can post because some users can't be bothered to handle ads. I refuse to boycott sites that are trying to pay their employees. When I buy food I am expected to pay, and news is not any different; it is a service.

                            Reddit admins, do yourself and us a favor and please do not encourage boycotting. It will only hurt you in the long run as the content posted diminishes in quality. Please be non-partisan in this matter. This is not a battle worth fighting for.

                            The majority of the content I read here is from news sites and international politics, and porn , which all use ads and sometimes politely request to have our adblocker removed. The irony is that your ads congratulate me for not using ad blocker.

                            If a user disagrees with a site using ads then THAT USER ALONE SHOULD NOT GO ON THE SITE, but you should not punish all the other users because some people don't want ads.

                            [–]Absh4x0r 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I don't care I just hit back and never look back. They are trying to make money out of shit wall of text.

                            [–]cryospam 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Great idea

                            [–]nubsauce87 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Fuck em all to death!

                            So yeah. Ban that shit.

                            [–]Psomaster 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I have ad block for a reason, not because of the ads themselves, but because if I disable the ad-block, I am greeted with 40 random popup tabs and 20 pages spamming me and voices in my headphones telling me to call a number on my screen. Having ads is fine, youtube like ads or something to view a page is fine I can wait 10-20 seconds if I am interested in the page. yet the amount of outright click bait and then being spammed with new tabs and unclosable ads is a pain. I manually block those sites so they stop popping up regardless of ad block, they wont be getting a single penny from me for a view.

                            [–]DillionDay 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I think it is in the best interest of the community to ban such websites.

                            [–]newdefinition 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Forbes actually blocks even if you just use ghostery or anything like that.

                            I won't go to forbes or wired anyways, so I think it makes sense to not allow those links.

                            [–]DarthKeizer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Dot it please!!!!

                            [–]MattPaprocki 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            As a freelancer who struggles to find decent rates anymore and knows Wired is one of the few who pays well, it's absurd to me this is being considered.

                            I get Forbes served malware. Inexcusable and I hope it's bee rectified. Has Wired has issues? Ever? That people are offended at the idea of having a cost for viewing someone's work... I don't even know what to say.

                            [–]Tolham 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            You have my vote.

                            [–]henx125 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Don't ban, inform.

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