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[–]IAmSupernovaResentment Machine 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

Kamen is chucked: http://imgur.com/kjGggXY

[–]Kamens_Poltergeist 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

I am free now.

[–]Deefry 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm pretty sure there's an SRStard with this username, minus the underscore.

[–]SRS_hates_him 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]Kamens_Poltergeist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

False prophet!

[–]Kamens_Poltergeist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh shit. It's a year old.

Meh. He earned it. Early BRDs n worms n breakfast n whatnot. :\

[–]Kamens_Poltergeist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

GODDAMNIT! I was going to claim some variations but I got lazy.

[–]Nechaev 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's really weird reading long posts from kamen wthout any of that over-the-top hyperbole he loves so much. It's hard to believe it's the same person.

[–]Drapetomania 8ポイント9ポイント  (72子コメント)

She didn't answer your question.

[–]IAmSupernovaResentment Machine 15ポイント16ポイント  (70子コメント)

If you target a user and continue to make posts about them, that user is likely to not find that very funny and take it to the admins. The admins have a precedent of taking action in this kind of thing. I've warned countless users over the years not to walk that very fine line.

That kind of harassment is not endorsed by this sub. You can be funny and point out funny things and have a laugh at the expense of the stupid things SJWs say without targetting any one in particular and going to extremes.

This ain't that hard.

[–]mcmur 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait...how is it harassment /r/TIOCJ shows up in an srssucks thread where everyone hates him and then gets made fun of? I mean what did he expect to happen?

He shows up here all the time because he has nothing better to do and tries to loltroll us and gets laughed at. He pretty much asks for it.

[–]Vozka 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He pretty much asks for it.

NO YOU DI'NT

[–]Drapetomania 18ポイント19ポイント  (65子コメント)

He's pointing out the hypocrisy and how SRD was taken over by SJWs.

Anyway kamen's point about mittromneyscampaign is pretty spot on. He was "harassed" quite a bit, what happened over that? Nothing. There's a difference between monitoring someone's posting habits and talking about how much of a bigot or hypocrite they are and following them around on various subreddits. My question is, was kamen following him around, or not? If he was, then yeah, he deserved it.

[–]IAmSupernovaResentment Machine 12ポイント13ポイント  (63子コメント)

Like I said, it's a very fine line. I've warned plenty of users about it only to see them get shadowbanned.

As for the MRC deal. He may have never viewed it as harassment because he gave it as much as he got it. He also may never have gone to the admins with his complaints. He also frequently found himself in hot water for posts and subreddits he made which walked the same type of fine line so he's not the best example. However, he wasn't bullied off of reddit. He still occasionally posts. He left meta reddit because he got bored with it.

I know playing devil's advocate is going to garner a lot of flak, but I'm just telling you, as a mod, as someone who is deep into meta reddit, as someone who has interacted with the admins... this really shouldn't be all that surprising. It was bound to happen.

[–]Drapetomania 3ポイント4ポイント  (55子コメント)

Maybe. But you know as well as I do that the rules in this website are a very flexible and amorphous thing, always changing or taking shape into new ways seemingly to justify one decision or another. The vote brigading rule and the way it was enforced, with shadowbans, practically came about overnight with no warning. Basically the rule that you can't vote when you're linked from another reddit post just popped into existence as an interesting interpretation of vote brigading. Nobody expected it, it just happened, and there was no warning or anything. I believe the incident that spurned that was over /r/blackladies and people's reactions to obviously bigoted posts there.

It's kind of naive to say that TiTS didn't give it either. TiTS, before ragequitting this sub over the post, was always here trolling and bullshiting llike IamN00bie and le_narwhal_king do, part of the shit trinity they are. He wasn't some quiet nonparticipant in the metareddit SJW vs Shitlord stuff.

[–]IAmSupernovaResentment Machine 8ポイント9ポイント  (41子コメント)

When TITs would come here, as far as I was concerned, he was fair game. Like the rest of the trinity, they know what they're getting into and most of the time can handle it.

But I'll put it to you like this, the only person, LITERALLY the only person, in all of this that had any type of agenda... is Kamen.

He's been on this crusade for well over a year. He has breathlessly fought this imaginary battle.

And for what it's worth, the reason he was banned from this subreddit all that time ago was exactly for this specific reason. We did not want him using this sub to post all of his madness. It only took a few weeks of unbanning him for this to happen.

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    [–]WordsharkCall Me Cismael. 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Part of that is the splintering off of amrsucks. AMR is where a lot of the entertainment is happening these days.

    [–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    He seems to exxagerate at times and occasionally go off the loony bin, but has he really been wrong?

    These IRC twats are going around everywhere, making sure they get mod positions and then thought policing. It's just fucking reddit, sure, but I would say he's mostly been right about his "crusade".

    [–]IAmSupernovaResentment Machine 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, we used to ask him all the time to tone down the vitriol and win people over to his side of the argument. But he just goes on these incredulous attacking sprees instead.

    Maybe he was right (or at least not entirely wrong), but I certainly wasn't interested in listening to him.

    [–]ValiantPie 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Just because he occasionally has a point doesn't make him a batshit insane douchebag. He takes everything way too far, and for everything he's been right on he has like a hundred other things that he's been wrong on. He has only served to work against his ridiculous "causes."

    [–]9900azturbo[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (30子コメント)

    And for what it's worth, the reason he was banned from this subreddit all that time ago was exactly for this specific reason. We did not want him using this sub to post all of his madness. It only took a few weeks of unbanning him for this to happen.

    You just contradicted yourself. I was banned from SRD and SRSsucks for over a year yet

    He's been on this crusade for well over a year. He has breathlessly fought this imaginary battle.

    I couldn't do shit anywhere because I was banned from SRSsucks and SRD. You won't approve this comment because you don't want to be proven wrong, again, about your moderation and view of things.

    [–]Drapetomania 0ポイント1ポイント  (29子コメント)

    But did you do it elsewhere?

    [–]9900azturbo[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (28子コメント)

    Nope. SRD and SRSsucks are the only places I posted to 99 percent of the time.

    I can also confirm that I have been Chucked or permabanned from reddit. cupcake has gotten rid of my ability to see or to contact any of the modmails that I belonged to and I suspect that when I log out of my accounts on RES I will not be allowed to log back in because she changed all of my passwords. All this because of THIS post here today. How on Earth would this sole post lead to a complete ban from reddit? Amazing.

    Edit: cupcake used /u/blackester as a throwaway account to tell me to kill myself last year after she banned /u/kamen935. She honestly sent me a pm telling me that I should kill myself. That /u/blackester account was made about 3 weeks after she banned my first account /u/kamen935. She then took her time to read through all of my alts and pms across my many accounts and decided that she hated me so much that she needed to go ahead and use that /u/blackester alt to tell me to die. Not joking at all. Check when the /u/blackester account was made. /u/kamen935 was banned about 20 days before the pm was sent. I had never gotten a pm like that before in my years here on reddit and the pm came pretty damn close after my first ban and after the admins, for the first time, saw all of my accounts.

    http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSsucks/comments/1c8156/meta_srssucks_regular_ukamen935_is_shadowbanned/

    She is out of control.

    [–]cupcake1713 -1ポイント0ポイント  (26子コメント)

    LOL this comment seriously made my day.

    [–]ValiantPie 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No, she really isn't. I think you will do better in your life without reddit. I suggest you delete all your meta bookmarks and pretend all of this was some sort of fever dream. Seriously, nothing good can come of you acting like this.

    [–]Drapetomania 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I understand that. But there's a difference between harassment and being obsessed, and I think he was just pathologically obsessed. I even understand why he was banned. But as a moderator of a large subreddit like SRD, you have to be able to take the heat and criticism you'll get.

    I'd be more willing to just accept this if this was considered more spamming than anything else, but I don't think so. I don't think kamen posted anything false and as far as I can tell he was pretty much right on the ball for most of that post to begin with. When someone like TiTS comes here and tries to act like the toughguy sort of asshole our SJW trolls do, you don't get a pass because you're secretly a pussycat inside.

    If he was constantly following TiTS around, then I would agree. If he posted with such frequency and volume, then I would agree. If this wasn't rather unprecedented (and don't say it was, kamen was spot on pointing to MCR as an example and that's one reason MCR left this sub to begin with...) then I might even have agreed. If reddit didn't once have admins in their employ that regularly harassed users here and did little to reign him in, then I might have agreed. But from what I see, Kamen's crime is one 1) his notoriety, 2) his obessiveness, and 3) unleashing rather epic butthurt on TiTS.

    Let's not pretend that any of us think kamen was over the top on his post there. Almost all of us except, say, HP thought TiTS reaction was CRAZY overblown. Nobody else at the time thought kamen really crossed a line.

    [–]IAmSupernovaResentment Machine 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I agree with most of that and I see where you are coming from. You're not wrong. Especially because it was definitely epic butthurt, which I warned folks about in another modmail thread about the situation.

    That type of obsessiveness is bound to bite ya. It doesn't just happen to people here, though. It happens all over reddit. It's a fine line. It's a blurry line. It's all those things. So why risk it?

    Again, we can laugh at, discuss, mock, observe, etc all the things these crazy SJWs do and we can do it safely from our corners of reddit without walking the fine and blurry line. It's not hard.

    [–]Drapetomania 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I agree with you as well that it's a BAD idea, and that kamen was not being smart, and frankly he's a bit off his rocker especially some of the other crazy shit he says thats Alex Jones level of analysis (thinking cupcake made an alt to tell him to kill himself, are you fucking serious kamen) but that does not mean I have to agree with his banning at all.

    In fact, my prior argument reinforces why I also agree it wasn't a good idea--It's particularly a bad idea BECAUSE the rules on this website are so ill-defined as to almost be rather nebulous. I've said it before, recently, and I'll say it again, the rules are not really rules at all and you can't predict what will and will not get you banned. I'll reiterate my point on swore and yasserkhan--we weren't even sure if swore was going to be banned (thankfully she was) despite how obvious her doxxing was. We were partially expecting some bullshit excuse being made for them not doing it. In fact swore pretty much went to the admins over him and they sort of just patted her on the head and said "naw we're not gonna ban him you just take this to the cops ok?" Fucking bullshit. How the admins handled the swore/yasserkhan1 affair was fucking bullshit to begin with especially with the dirty, dirty tricks swore pulled to try to make it look like she had a case.

    [–]IAmSupernovaResentment Machine 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I don't even necessarily agree with it. I'm just not surprised.

    [–]Cronyx 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Basically the rule that you can't vote when you're linked from another reddit post just popped into existence as an interesting interpretation of vote brigading.

    What the hell are you talking about, this is almost the primary way I use reddit and always have. Most of the subs I'm on are aggregators like depthhub and bestof etc. I'm almost always using my phone too and as such never see side bars and I generally stay out of the loop on reddit meta drama. I see something I like, I upvote it so I can find it later in my history, and my IRL friends monitor each other's upvotes in much the same way we monitor each other's facebook feeds: so that we can see what each other liked, upvote it, and reference it in conversation later IRL. Thats how we use reddit and have for years. That's what reddit is to us.

    [–]Drapetomania 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

    So, if you follow a post here, see a post you disagree with it, you downvote it? If "yes," you should probably pm the moderators of this subreddit for more info and delete that post before someone reports you. You... do realize there's a reason we require the np.reddit.com link right?

    [–]Cronyx 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I have no idea what np.reddit is. I'm largely outoftheloop on "reddit politics" and am not entirely interested in them either. I browse reddit like it's any other link aggregator like delicious or various others I've forgotten the names of.

    My personal ethics on the matter are, it's up to the product designer to design the product in such a way that an ignorant user can't break it, if they're just pressing the buttons the dev gave them. A game developer for example can't (reasonably) call any action I can take through the default user interface "cheating". If I buy a hack from damncheaters or something, sure. But if I'm just pressing the buttons they gave me? The dev should fix it on their end.

    [–]Drapetomania 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

    I don't disagree but you're going to be shadowbanned if you keep that up so stop acting self-righteous about it. It doesn't matter what your personal ethics are.

    [–]Cronyx 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Taking into account what I said the utility function of reddit is to me and my circle of IRL friends, what is the alternative? "Stop it" isn't... well it just doesn't work. Like I said, we're all +friends through reddit and we monitor each other's accounts so that we have common "water cooler" material. I also use my vote history as my "reddit bookmarks". What are we supposed to do instead?

    Also, from a pragmatic perspective, how is it any different to subscribe to most of the subreddits that show up in the meta subs, and just go find the one the one they linked in my subscription feed manually?

    [–]Nechaev 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I actually think you've got a point about admin double standards, but there are a few things you're overloking:

    Firstly - Noobie (and Narwhal ...etc.) were just here to fling shit. Tits would at least try to talk about stuff with a measure of good faith occasionally.

    Secondly - the admins appear to be gradually changing their policies. If the MRC harrassment took place today (and it was reported to them) I get the impression they would take it more seriously than they did back then. However, the whole nature of this "conflict" means that SJWs are very quick to run to authority figures if their "feels" have been hurt, while the people on the other side just don't do that anywhere near as much and they generally don't expect authority figures to intercede for them on things like that.

    I'm not sure how much we should read into the fact that the admins spend more energy oiling the "squeaky wheels" first.

    [–]Drapetomania 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, but it doesn't change the fact that Tits would fling shit as well. He doens't get special treatment because he wasn't a complete dickweed 100% of the time.

    The admins may be shifting their policies, but that doesn't surprise me. What the problem is is that they shift right in this very manner--unvoiced, overnight, in the background, with no warning. Rules are supposed to be in place so you know exactly what you can and cannot do. Sort of like an agreement between users and staff On reddit, nobody is really quite sure where the lines are, and frankly the admins don't seem to know either.

    [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Kamen didn't really "harass" anyone though. He just made posts explaining what a doofus that Tits guy is.

    You can all see what kind of guy he is, he went crying to the admins. Lol.

    [–]IAmSupernovaResentment Machine 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Yeah, but they have a precedent for this kind of thing. I've warned people numerous times. If the user you are featuring sees it as harrassment, the admins will act on it if they agree.

    And let's be honest. Kamen wasn't going to stop. This shit is incredibly personal to him. To you and I, he's just explaining what a doofus TITs is, but to Kamen... he's exposing the meta cancer SRS shillery....blah blah blah....

    [–]Drapetomania 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    What precedence? The only one I can think of is the reason we have.had a moratorium on /r/blackladies, and that was because intortus is a SJW.

    [–]IAmSupernovaResentment Machine 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    In my time moderating here I've warned users about continually posting topics directed at specific users. I've seen them get shadowbanned for it on several occasions. It was clear that some people just userpage stalked specific users and then would post threads here trying to call in the army.

    [–]Drapetomania 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree, but particularly in this case TiTS was a participant AND antagonist on this very subreddit where it was posted, and he wasn't just someone commenting their opinions going about their own way across reddit. He was here firing shots as well.

    [–]Drapetomania 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And it's not a fine line. It's a very, very blurry line, and I have no doubt it was due to TiTS level of butthurt, which was pretty overblown to begin with. What kamen did was nothing compared to the damage swore did to yasserkhan, and it took the admins days to clean that up and described it as a "complex situation." What do you think was worse--kamen's behavior, or swore's? Kamen AFIAK has never doxxed anyway he sticks to reddit and only reddit. Unless I am mistaken.

    [–]Cronyx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I would argue that they become public figures by participating in a political platform vis-a-vis campaigning to change the political climate of Reddit, and as such, any individual's actions are "news worthy" within the greater meta-reddit community. Engaging in politics while demanding immunity from the very spotlight you would cast on others is hypocrisy. When the electric company that provides the spotlight is a part of your hugbox, and you go crying to them when the spotlight is too hot, it becomes Corruption. No community can withstand that level of socially corrosive assault, and civil disobedience will, in short order, become not only necessary, but inevitable.

    [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Suddenly, pointing out someone's hypocricy repeatedly is harrassment. This is /u/cupcakes1713 abusing his admin power because he pathetically wants to continue fucking a feminazi with mental issues.

    [–]Drapetomania 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "Harassment" is the vaguest possible reason she could give, given especially that you were criticizing someone's behavior as moderator on reddit and that you created a thread here that focuses on said behavior. You apparently weren't following him around and responding to his every post.

    It's pretty clear that cupcake is biased in this.

    [–]sortathrow 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    This website is becoming a total joke. Is it time for it to go the way of Something Awful yet?

    [–]Cronyx 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What happened at SA? I heard something about the whole SJW buznes being started by the goons as a huge troll but it snowballed out of their control. I have a paid account over there but haven't logged in in ages. What's up?

    [–]Drapetomania 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

    and 9900azturbo is shadowbanned.

    Anyway, I have suspected cupcake has certain... biases, and this just confirms it.

    [–]ELS_BrigadeWarning 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What's really happening: SRS is a prostitution ring and they've been servicing the admins in exchange for dorito dust and sovereign immunity on reddit.

    [–]9900azturbo[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Cupcake just made me the 4th person to be Chucked aka permabanned from reddit. She just mass banned every account that I have. Take a look.

    [–]Drapetomania 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Given your history that's no surprise, lol, but I don't disagree with you that that post was not harassment. You REALLY butthurt TakeItToCirclejerk (lots of laughs over his ragequit in a certain modmail subreddit) but what you did in that post was not even really that bad. You were banned because of your notoriety and how bad you upset him.

    Look how long it took them to take care of swore for doxxing yasserkhan1 and how they described it as a "complex situation" That's far more harassment than your post there. They stood by a great long while while intortus bullied various users and this subreddit, Dan in particular.

    Now, I could be missing something since I don't follow user drama that closely. But from what I see, that wasn't harassment.

    [–]Sir_Sack 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Reddit is based out of San Francisco, which is the second most SJWish city in the US (after Portland). We're all heavily influenced by our social environment, and they're no exception. Generally, they're going to lean much further towards the SJW side than the average person. And like everyone else, they'll hire people who are more like themselves when all else is equal...so any remote employees are that much more likely to lean similarly.

    I suspect they probably share many of the same essential views as SRSer, and think SRSers "hearts are in the right place". So naturally they'd be a bit more lenient with them than they would be with people like us.

    It's their site and they can do with it what they want. But the problem comes from the fact that they want to hold themselves out as being on par with "common carriers" (i.e. basically neutral to the content, as long as it's legal). If you view yourself that way AND you know you're acting in a way that contradicts this AND you want to think of yourself as a "good" person, you're going to have a hell of a lot of cognitive dissonance to deal with. Because of that, I think they will try to act in such a way that they can convince themselves that they are not contradicting the "common carrier" thing. And when their bias does sometimes comes through, it will be in such a small way that they can convince themselves that there is no bias.

    I think this is why they don't just ban people like us on sight, and why they will actually act when we point out extremely obvious and undeniable TOS violations. But it's also why, in grey areas, they seem to give SJW-types the benefit of the doubt without extending that same courtesy to people like us.

    If Reddit was headquartered in like Bumblefuck, TX, you'd likely have the same problem but they'd be leaning more towards the far-right. Instead of SRSers, it'd be the white-nationalists or something like that.

    Everyone's biased. Act accordingly.

    [–]ttumblrbots 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Anyone know an alternative to Readability? Send me a PM!

    [–]MrFatalistic 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't know what to say other than DOUBLE FUCKING STANDARDS. Look at the dumbass trolls that come here all the time trying to lead people on, no bans for that n00bie idiot, never going to happen, trolling is A-OK with the admins to extreme lengths as long as you're a SJW twat.

    [–]HaiImLoki 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I just laugh at these SRSers and whatnot anymore. Real life is cruel and they'll get theirs.

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    [–]Nemo_Lemonjello 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hilarious. How hard is it to answer the damn question? The only conclusion to be drawn is this: I won't tell you what you did, because I have no legit reason to ban you, I'm just a power mad jackass, and there's nothing you can do about it.

    [–]ValiantPie -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Honestly, this place will be better without you, Kamen. Cupcake did SRSs a favor.