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PeasantryApple literally deletes music from your HDD without permission or warning if you subscribe to apple music. That is insane. (blog.vellumatlanta.com)

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[–]Lololol73 464ポイント465ポイント  (20子コメント)

Sometimes I have the feeling that even gold bars in banks have less surveillance and security than a fucking Justin Bieber .mp3 on any electronic device. This is getting beyond absurd.

[–]bbristowe 86ポイント87ポイント  (16子コメント)

Assuming the physical bars still exist may be the biggest mistake.

[–]datchilla 33ポイント34ポイント  (3子コメント)

You know gold has to be stored somewhere, it's not like the people who buy it keep it in their living room.

I never understood the "there's no gold in fort knox" thing. Yeah we don't base our currency off gold anymore, and why wouldn't whoever owns the gold want to keep it in a highly secured place? Do they keep it at their own privately funded facility outside of the US? What's the point of any of that? To one day get admin controls over the universe and secretly switch everyone's economy back to the gold standard and watch from your golden throne as the world devolves into chaos?

[–]masterman467I5 4690k | GTX 970 | id/autismspeaks 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gold is still used for interstate commerce, so the US gov't could theoretically sell off the gold to china in exchange for whatever they want, they say the gold is still in the fort and only have there own beurocrats go and inspect it and there own soldiers guard it and no one is allowed to see/count/audit fort fucking knox, so there's no way to track it.

We illegally sold weapons to Iraqi terrorists, the ATF forced gun stores to let confirmed criminals walk out with guns to sell to mexican drug cartels, illegally sold nukes to Israel, the list goes on. Compared to that, selling a couple billion worth of gold out of some vault is tame.

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    [–]Calavar 28ポイント29ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Did they evaporate away?

    Whether or not we use the gold standard, there are still gold bars in banks. Individuals and corporations alike buy them as investments.

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        [–]GODDZILLA24i7-4790K/GTX 750/8 GB RAM 379ポイント380ポイント  (26子コメント)

        Always back up your files.

        [–]5DOLLARS-IS-5DOllARS 203ポイント204ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Just in case Apple decides to delete your files without warning.

        [–]cfg1340FX8350 | R9 280X 50ポイント51ポイント  (10子コメント)

        Inb4 they delete them from cloud- and nas-storage, too

        [–]MonoryableSpecs/Imgur Here 64ポイント65ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Having delete permissions on your backup machine? Rookie move.

        [–]lanedr 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I might cry

        [–]SerLaron 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Any malware might do that, not to mention unintentional or ill-advised user action (AKA "I done goofed"). Backup media should be offline by default, IMHO.

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            [–]Some_MelonCatr9 290, 4440, 16g ram, 120g ssd[S] 248ポイント249ポイント  (2子コメント)

            That thumbnail turned out perfect.

            [–]RyanGBakeri7 6700K | R9 380 | 16GB DDR4 1814ポイント1815ポイント  (198子コメント)

            The solution here is simple:

            Don't use Apple products or software.

            [–]ZulbanSteam ID Here 694ポイント695ポイント  (59子コメント)

            And get your technology news from somewhere other than /r/technology, which shadow deleted this post after 5000 points. I can't remember why I originally unsubscribed from /r/technology but I'm sure it was because of shit like this.

            [–]void_soma 66ポイント67ポイント  (1子コメント)

            /r/technology, which shadow deleted this post after 5000 points

            Are the mods in bed with/sponsored by apple?

            [–]ZulbanSteam ID Here 81ポイント82ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'd be shocked if there were a single subreddit with >1 million subscribers that do not have mods with conflicts of interest. Advertising spending is like 180 billion dollars a year in the US... to think none of it goes to reddit and reddit mods under the table is delusional.

            I'm not really that interested in getting to the bottom of this specific case, because the general pattern is obvious to me.

            [–]Chris4Hawksi74790k GTX970 AW HECK YES 124ポイント125ポイント  (45子コメント)

            Honest question here, where should I get my tech news then? I used to browse Mashable but it became too Buzzfeed-like for my tastes.

            [–]ZulbanSteam ID Here 229ポイント230ポイント  (24子コメント)

            I recommend smaller subreddits. There are very real financial interests in controlling larger subreddits. My general rule is to be sceptical of a subreddit once it reaches 100,000 subscribers. So /r/tech and /r/technews are good alternatives. I also sometimes look at the science and tech sections of popular news sites (for example in Canada, CBC). I don't learn much tech from that but I do learn about what the public is being told to think about tech. Subreddits are personal of course, but here are all my subreddits related to tech:

            /r/algorithms/

            /r/AmazingTechnology/

            /r/artificial/

            /r/Automate/

            /r/coding/

            /r/coldhardtech/

            /r/compsci/

            /r/computerforensics/

            /r/computervision/

            /r/curiosityrover/

            /r/cyberlaws/

            /r/DailyTechNewsShow/

            /r/DarkFuturology/

            /r/Driverless/

            /r/edtech/

            /r/engineering/

            /r/EngineeringPorn/

            /r/hackernews/

            /r/homeautomation/

            /r/HomeServer/

            /r/ImaginaryTechnology/

            /r/linux/

            /r/linux_gaming/

            /r/MachineLearning/

            /r/maker/

            /r/medicine/

            /r/nasa/

            /r/netsec/

            /r/opensource/

            /r/privacy/

            /r/programming/

            /r/programminghorror/

            /r/realtech/

            /r/RetroFuturism/

            /r/robotics/

            /r/Serendipity/

            /r/Simulations/

            /r/spaceflight/

            /r/sysadmin/

            /r/sysor/

            /r/talesfromtechsupport/

            /r/tech/

            /r/technews/

            /r/TechnologyPorn/

            /r/TOR/

            /r/webhosting/

            [–]Spider_JFX-8350 / GTX 970 / 16GB RAM / 1TB Samsung EVO 850 38ポイント39ポイント  (14子コメント)

            .......but /r/pcmasterrace has >500,000 subscribers...

            [–]ZulbanSteam ID Here 127ポイント128ポイント  (11子コメント)

            Sure, couple things to note:

            • I don't come to /r/pcmasterrace for objectivity or news.
            • Different standards for silly subreddits.
            • >100,000 doesn't mean I automatically unsub, just that I reconsider.

            [–]Siegfried_Ebai7 4770k, Zotac 980 Ti AMP! OMEGA, 16 GB Corsair RAM 58ポイント59ポイント  (10子コメント)

            I come to /r/pcmasterrace for dank memes.

            Like come on, who doesn't love dank memes?amIright?

            [–]MilksteakBoiledHard 18ポイント19ポイント  (9子コメント)

            Have you been to /r/the_donald ? They've got the dankest shitposts.

            [–]Kiterosmai7-4790K | GTX 970 | 16GB RAM 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Correct

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              [–]shruggernaut_reddits 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

              this is the gem of the thread

              [–]jmnorv 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Commenting to save. Thank you.

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                [–]__doubleentendre__ 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

                h t t p colon slash slash slashdot dot org

                [–]ich852FX-8350, GTX 770 SLI, 16GB RAM, Corsair Carbide 540 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

                YouTube channels such as NCIX and The Know usually get the bigger stories and there's also Linus' WAN show that does a weekly round up, r/pcmasterrace and r/Android cover much of my interests as well. I'm sure others will add more too!

                [–]Vivaplextaneous 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Hear that /r/technology? We aren't afraid anymore! We aren't afraid anymore!

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                  [–]fiah84 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  you could look for websites pertinent to your interests. I like www.techreport.com, www.arstechnica.com and www.anandtech.com for example

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                    [–]gindc 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Thank Zulban for pointing this out. I reposted the article to /r/technology and it got deleted. I talked to a mod and he said it was because it was from a blog and that's not allowed. When I asked him why this rule was on the side-bar, he claimed "it's being discussed by the mods".

                    Of course they didn't delete a blog post saying that Apple does not delete music and that this story was untrue. That one remained.

                    Glad I came here I subscribed to a bunch of the subs you recommended and unsubscribed to /r/technology.

                    [–]trbennett 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I unsubscribed because there were too many tabloid articles making the front page.

                    [–]LBCvalenz562i7, SLI 970s, 1440p 165hz. 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Probably because they deleted anything tesla. Thats why i unsubbed.

                    [–]slyweazal 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Whenever politics comes up on /r/technology is reason enough to abandon that place. Dear lord...

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                      [–]kcarn 134ポイント135ポイント  (40子コメント)

                      But... Apple makes better CPU and monitor, absolutely incomparable to standard products. They are unique and designed specifically for me, I love Apple because they really care for me !

                      I don't want a crappy $2000 PC designed by people who don't even own a Mac ! And there are no fusion drive for PC ! It must be really slow with shit Cpu.

                      [–]meetthemyth 72ポイント73ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      The sarcasm is palpable

                      [–]kcarn 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Don't touch me, tramp !

                      [–]outforatroll 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      The sarcasm is appleable.

                      /bad pun

                      [–]Atari_52004770k - 32GB - 290X - 1440p Freesync 28ポイント29ポイント  (14子コメント)

                      Dafuq is a "fusion drive"? I'm sure it's a fancy word for something everything else can do too, but I'm not sure what.

                      [–]CalebTechnasis 31ポイント32ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Pssh, check out this guy. I'll bet his pee cee doesn't have BLAST PROCESSING either.

                      [–]CamTroid 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      My iMac has a Retina™ display, a Fusion™ Drive, and Blast Processing™ CPU with over 420 Megafasts™ of Intui-smart™ Memory. Pc's cant compare with any of that!

                      [–]schmak015930k@4.5Ghz|32GB DDR4|2x980Ti SC+|PG278Q|950 Pro M.2 512GB 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      I NEED THE ONE WITH MOAR GEEE BEEE'S

                      [–]Valkrinsi5-6600k R9 Fury Windforce 55ポイント56ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      Its literally just a SSHD (hybrid drive). Basically a standard hard drive but using some flash memory (typically 8GB) sort of like cache. Apple didn't invent this either, of course.

                      [–]schmak015930k@4.5Ghz|32GB DDR4|2x980Ti SC+|PG278Q|950 Pro M.2 512GB 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Hyprid drives are the savoir of console load times. I've made a nice penny from replacing the standard HDD's with the SSHD's you can get from Seagate and WD for pretty darn cheap compartively.

                      The sad thing is, the SSHD's are just as good as SSD's in a console, since they don't have appropriate support to fully utilize the speed of the SSD's. That may have changed recently, but back when the XB1 and PS4's were out, the SSD's were less than a second better in load times than the SSHD's and when I compared them on my PC they were several seconds different.

                      [–]roflkaapter5930k/2 980 Ti KPE/64GB DDR4 2400/PG278Q/W10 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Well both the XB1 and PS4 are SATA2 so

                      [–]schmak015930k@4.5Ghz|32GB DDR4|2x980Ti SC+|PG278Q|950 Pro M.2 512GB 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      For serious? haha I guess though it makes sense, why not? It's not like they are selling them with SSD's.

                      [–]ITworksGuys 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      They aren't very expensive either

                      http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=node%3D1292110011&field-keywords=sshd

                      Fucking Apple.

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                        [–]Anon10W1zi3 3250 OC @ 3.6 GHz; GTX 750 Ti OC @ 1.26 GHz 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        SSD + HDD in one drive

                        [–]Anon32465 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Something for plebs who only use one internal HDD.

                        [–]Atari_52004770k - 32GB - 290X - 1440p Freesync 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I don't even have just one SSD! Ever since I got used to having multiple physical drives in a system I've considered it something I need in a build. Currently my OS lives on an 850 Pro 256GB, then software and such lives on a pair of 850 EVO 500GB's in RAID 0 with a pair of WD Black 4TB drives rounding out the equation.

                        I'm not fond of waiting on disk operations.

                        [–]DheeradjSPC Master Race 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        Even if you had put an /s there Louis Rossman would laugh at you.

                        [–]Zoned 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        You are, after all, a special snowflake.

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                          [–]KeyserSOhItsTakenAMD x4 860k 4.3 GHz | Gigabyte G1 R9 380 4GB | 16GB RAM 39ポイント40ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          Bingo.

                          [–]dustojnikhummerWindows 10 fanboy,Probook 6550b i5 450m,ATI 540v,1600x900 33ポイント34ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          Bing? No,thank you.

                          [–]NeedHelpWithExcel 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Bingno.

                          [–]RLLRRR 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          I get paid to search for porn better than Google ever did. Bing please!

                          [–]mypetbirdrulesi5-4430 3.0 GHz | R9 390 8gb | 8gb 1600 MHz | Arch Linux | XFCE 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          The solution is https://stallman.org/

                          [–]ReventonProi5 4460 @3.2GHz / GTX 970 4GB / 16GB RAM 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I don't use Apple Software. Solves my issues :)

                          [–]Donta_GOATtoweri5 6500 8GB RAM XFX 380x 15ポイント16ポイント  (27子コメント)

                          Android masterrace should go hand in hand with pcmasterrace.

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                            [–]impingu1984i5-3570K @ 4.7Ghz | GTX 980Ti 86ポイント87ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            This is why I maintain my own music library... Also I refuse to pay extra for High Res music and/or be forced into a certain format.

                            That's why I prefer Bandcamp over all other places to buy my music.

                            [–]PureTryOutI game free 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Bandcamp is great, but sadly it's only small artists and labels that publish their music there. I mostly buy from Qobuz now, as they offer high quality flac versions of all their music.

                            [–]smith0211 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Loudr.fm is also nice

                            [–]Prometheus720 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            If you don't wanna pay extra, don't. Pay them for the music and then torrent the version you want. You earned it.

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                              [–]hannibal07 462ポイント463ポイント  (154子コメント)

                              Whats insane is people still using itunes. A peice of bloatware crap.

                              [–]Thatonesillyfuckeri7-4790K@4.8 | MSI980Ti@1485/2000 | 32GB@2400 34ポイント35ポイント  (11子コメント)

                              I mean to be fair it's only useful for me because of past usage and having previously bought music on it that I can redownload today (and it's nice to be able to edit tags and convert mp3s in it), but I don't know what a better offline music manager for the desktop is just out of ignorance.

                              [–]MRantiswagX4 860k | GTX 750 ti | 8GB DDR3 22ポイント23ポイント  (6子コメント)

                              Foobar is great, but I'm not sure if you can convert files in it.

                              [–]somedude010 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              You can. You can also edit the layout to make it look exactly like iTunes

                              [–]MRantiswagX4 860k | GTX 750 ti | 8GB DDR3 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Oh, cool.

                              [–]PricelessPersuaderDebian 8.2 & Gnome 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Foobar has everything you could ever want with its large collection of themes and addons

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                                [–]Cannabis-Sativa 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Try MusicBee

                                [–]NoMooreMercyNoMooreMercy | Core i7 4790k | GTX 980Ti 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                MusicBee, MediaMonkey, Foobar are all great alternatives.

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                                  [–]Grrym 11ポイント12ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                  Can you offer a better alternative? I personally haven't had many problems with iTunes, but I'm open to seeing what else is out there

                                  [–]Raoh522i5 4670k GTX780 16gb ram 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  Google play music is a pretty solid service, it has some issues, like you can only download a song twice through a browser, but can do it an unlimited amount of times through their app. They also give away free music sometimes, and I have never had any issues. Also, if you get their premium service, you also get youtube red.

                                  [–]collinchi7 3770, GTX 970, 24GB, 1440p 5ポイント6ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                  Spotify if you want something like Apple Music. Though I don't use Spotify anymore after I tried to cancel (was going to be temporary for a month or two) and I had to verify with facebook to cancel. Fuck that, I'm not asking facebook's permission to cancel my spotify account.

                                  [–]Grrym 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                  I'm thinking more music management. I have a few thousand songs in my iTunes library and would use it primarily for organizing playlists and throwing songs on my phone

                                  [–]collinchi7 3770, GTX 970, 24GB, 1440p 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                  Ah, right. You might be somewhat stuck with iTunes. I don't like linking to lifehacker (because it's gawker related) but I was able to find this. Seems to give some options.

                                  In case you don't want to click the link, they suggest:

                                  Windows - MusicBee

                                  Mac - Sonora (on the app store) EDIT: Wait no, it's not on the app store. You have to compile it yourself from github or somefin.

                                  Linux - Clementine

                                  But have you tried out the streaming services? You can still create playlists and listen on your phone.

                                  [–]Atiim01Big Rig 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  [Archive.is](archive.is) and similar sites are great if you need to view a page but don't want to give them traffic or ad-revenue.

                                  Archived Page

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                                      [–]CheerleadingIsCool 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                      Well... If your account literally is facebook because you logged in with facebook you're gonna have to go through them. That's on you.

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                                        [–]impingu1984i5-3570K @ 4.7Ghz | GTX 980Ti 128ポイント129ポイント  (98子コメント)

                                        Yeah, I mean who uses a digtal distribution platform to manage, maintain and access their media.

                                        Glad we don't have anything like for games.....

                                        Wait... oh

                                        [–]agentm14004i7-4790k, Sapphire R9 280, 8GB RAM, SSD 223ポイント224ポイント  (77子コメント)

                                        Steam doesn't delete your other games from your computer tho

                                        [–]impingu1984i5-3570K @ 4.7Ghz | GTX 980Ti 92ポイント93ポイント  (71子コメント)

                                        Theoretically it could stop all your games Steam from working if Valve wanted to.

                                        Juts as EA could with Origin, or Ubisoft with Uplay.

                                        GoG can't if you have a backup of the installers.

                                        [–]MrSmith317i7 4770k| 32GB |GTX 980 Ti 102ポイント103ポイント  (47子コメント)

                                        And Valve/EA/Ubi/etc could/would suffer the biggest lawsuit of their lives. That's why games that are removed from Steam are left in people's inventory/library if they've already purchased them.

                                        [–]apeliott 65ポイント66ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                        Apple have already done just this to me.

                                        Got an ipod Nano a few years ago as a present. I bought a few games for it to play with on my daily commute.

                                        One day I turn it on and find everything has been wiped. All my songs and all the games I paid for.

                                        So I plug it into iTunes to download them again...but now the games tab is missing.

                                        I send them an email and they say "That's right. We don't support that product any more". That's it. Tough shit. No apology. No refund. Nothing.

                                        Fuck Apple.

                                        [–]Drezair 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                        That can't be legal, are you able to access the games you purchased through a different avenue?

                                        [–]apeliott 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        No. I could only get them from the itunes store.

                                        Couldn't get anything out of Apple.

                                        I could maybe get pirated versions but I don't want to. I want the games I paid for on principal.

                                        [–]Drezair 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        Can't get a refund? A product that you paid for taken away without warning is a bit rough. Sucks man.

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                                            [–]NEM3S1SAMD 8350, GTX 780 Ti, 3x 1080p 24", 16GB DDR3, 128 SSD, 4TB HDD 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            And here I was thinking of downloading iTunes just to see if I could start using my old iPod Nanos (1st and 3rd gen) and iPod Touch (1st gen). Now I'm terrified of even trying. I have music on those devices that I never found out how to get off (mp3s I uploaded to the iPod than then ended up deleted from my collection when the hard drive crapped out).

                                            Back in the day, iTunes was inescapable, seeing as how there wasn't really any competition and iPods were the de facto music device. But now, everyone has an mp3 player in their phone, and music services are a dime a dozen (Google Music, Groove, Spotify, etc). Unless you have an iPhone, I see no reason whatsoever to even consider iTunes.

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                                              [–]C2BB896DD75427C2405B 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              And Valve/EA/Ubi/etc could/would suffer the biggest lawsuit of their lives.

                                              Which wont give you your games back. Just a check for ~$3.50, 6 years later.

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                                                [–]Karavusk 25ポイント26ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                but they dont... thats the difference

                                                [–]shecodaDual GTX 770s, Core i5, 8 gigs of Hyperx Fury 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Not all steam games use steamworks DRM, stardew valley, witcher 3, most of the star wars games from before Force Unleashed, all work without it, most do, but some don't and I have used them without steam running.

                                                [–]Emotic0nGTX 980 i5 6600k 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                if steam stops working you. are allowed to burn games onto disks and use them without the drm

                                                [–]madagentSteam ID Here 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                But they never have done that.

                                                [–]Aleblanco1987 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                no they cant

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                                                  [–]sean-duffy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  But then at least iTunes doesn't force you to open it to listen to the music you bought through it.

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                                                    [–]paperbackvillain 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Amazon once reached into kindles and removed a book. The irony was that the book was 1984.

                                                    I'm of the opinion that if you buy it, and it had DRM on it that you should leech a pirated copy or make one yourself with cracks and rips. One may wish to do this preemptively depending on one's level of paranoia.

                                                    [–]hannibal07 41ポイント42ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                    You cant seriously be comparing steam to itunes? And there are plenty of free music managers out there that shit on itunes.

                                                    [–]laponic4 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                    please give me some good ones, i hate supporting apple but i use iTunes because its the easiest to manage playlist and music that I know of

                                                    [–]DrunkenShitposter 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    i use iTunes because its the easiest to manage playlist and music that I know of

                                                    Dude, even Winamp is more user-friendly for that than iTunes...

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                                                      [–]VSENSESStop touching me! 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                      His point still stands tho.

                                                      [–]CheezyWeezleMSI Dominator-892|Intel i7-4900MQ@2.8GHz|nVidia 870M 6GB|24GB 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      No it doesn't, because "a digtal distribution platform to manage, maintain and access their media" does not exclusively define iTunes, and even then his point does not address the argument that /u/hannibal07 made, which is that iTunes is bloatware crap.

                                                      It's like if someone said "Why do people drive H1 Hummers? They get such low gas mileage and are extremely expensive!" and someone rebutted with "yeah, using a vehicle to transport yourself from place to place is completely ridiculous!" It's a complete non-sequitur.

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                                                          [–]poochyenarulezi5 6600k|EVGA GTX 980|8GB Ram 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                          ...you are comparing games to mp3 files? I never needed to update an mp3 file.

                                                          [–]themootilatr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          I said fuck steam but blizzard launcher is dope. Easy clean and updates easily.

                                                          [–]uselessabstraction4770k @ 4.2Ghz, GTX 970, 16GB ddr3, 500GB Evo 850, 1TB HDD 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          You practically have no choice if you own an iOS device.

                                                          [–]OptionalCookieSpecs/Imgur Here 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          It is the only piece of software I can use with my iPhone. ;-;

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                                                            [–]DanTheMan827 72ポイント73ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                            I've had Apple Music since launch and I've never had it delete the tracks from my local library...

                                                            This sounds like some setting that deletes tracks to save space more then anything...

                                                            Unless this was added very recently...

                                                            [–]Saxopwni7 5960X | Titan X SLI 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                            I think this is only an issue when you don't let iTunes manage your music library. Letting iTunes/Apple Music deal with its own (duplicate) folder system leaves your original files untouched.

                                                            [–]---kyle 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            There's no setting in iTunes that deletes files from your computer's hard drive. It was either a glitch or user error.

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                                                              [–]BlackLabradors_ 55ポイント56ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              I use Apple Music and nothing of the sort has happened to me

                                                              [–]tvfeet 45ポイント46ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              The article reads like a guy who didn't know what he was doing got in too deep and then when he realized he'd screwed up, he took out his misplaced aggression in an ill-informed article. I know it's cool to bash Apple here but Apple Music just doesn't work like this. It does not just delete your music. I've been using it since launch last year - admittedly with lots of little problems - but nothing like this. My guess is he deleted the files without realizing and is shocked that what AM stores are copy-protected files. If he wanted to store his music for later retrieval he should have also used iTunes Match - that's why it exists.

                                                              [–]lambien 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Yeah, this article must've been written by a total moron. Apple Music simply doesn't do this. I'm surprised such bullshit is being so well-received.

                                                              [–]shouldvestayedalurkr 46ポイント47ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                              No they dont lol

                                                              I have over 100gb of pirated music and a sub to Apple Music. I can stream my own catalog or theirs.

                                                              This person chose the wrong option when syncing and replaced their library.

                                                              Stupid computer user error.

                                                              [–]dyancat 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              I-D-10-T error

                                                              [–]BeldarClorhonei5 4670k - GTX 970 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Hey! Join the Apple hate circle jerk! They didn't delete my pirated music either and I fucking love the service.

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                                                                [–]martynekGTX 960, 240GB SSD, i5 650, 8GB RAM 138ポイント139ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                If Apple Music saw a file it didn’t recognize—which came up often, since I’m a freelance composer and have many music files that I created myself—it would then download it to Apple’s database, delete it from my hard drive, and serve it back to me when I wanted to listen, just like it would with my other music files it had deleted.

                                                                WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK

                                                                [–]Chaasel 101ポイント102ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                No it doesn't. Apple does upload songs the service doesn't recognize so you can listen to the uploaded songs on other devices. It doesn't delete it from your original device.

                                                                [–]lambien 92ポイント93ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                Yeah, this article is bullshit. I've been subbed to Apple Music since it came out and nothing like this has ever happened.

                                                                [–]ALL-HAIL-BINGGTX980OC - i7 6700K - 32GB DDR4 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                It's infuriating as to see this post getting so popular, I fully agree with you that it's bullshit.

                                                                [–]Allstarcappa 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Came into the comments to see if it was true or not because it seemed a bit insane. Shame i had to come this far down into the comment section to see that its shit.

                                                                The only complaint i have with itunes is about 100 songs wouldnt convert onto my galaxy because of copyright issues not letting me convert the files to mp3.

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                                                                  [–]Orwan 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  So why did the Apple employee say it did?

                                                                  [–]Heratiki 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Ever met other employees that royally fuck up their job? I do, every fucking day...

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                                                                    [–]testdex 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Yep.

                                                                    The terms of service clearly aren't structured to allow this either -- beyond the fact that they make no warranties.

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                                                                      [–]FebruarySon 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      I can't say what Apple Music does, because I haven't used it, but I can tell you what iTunes Match did: When we cancelled Match, all music that was on my wifes phone was "deleted". I put that in quotes because while her music library was empty and she was not able to play a single song, the 65GB of space was absolutely still in use. The vast majority of her music is stuff that we ripped directly from CDs (yay conference calls). She signed up for Match when her library became larger than her old 4S could hold. When they upped storage to 128GB, she cancelled match when it came up for renewal. When she cancelled, everything that was "matched" was hidden from her library. We had to tell itunes to not sync music, sync, sync all music, resync. Then after a few hours, her music was back. While it did not delete from her mac, it absolutely removed the ability to play her music, that we ripped, until she reloaded every song.

                                                                      [–]Heratiki 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Because it was matching and doing the work for you. This sounds like exactly what was supposed to happen. You stopped paying for the matching service so the matched songs (that are mostly songs on iTunes and not your uploaded songs) are removed from your devices.

                                                                      [–]cy10n 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Same here. Apple Music subscriber, never had anything removed from my hard drive, even after cancelling the service and turning it back on later.

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                                                                        [–]wyclefjohn 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        It makes sense for the technologically challenged and those using small, non-user-replaceable hard drives (i.e. most modern macs). It moves all music files to the cloud to centralize the UI and make file management simpler, because most people just have music on their computer to listen to through iTunes and don't want mp3s cluttering their files.

                                                                        [–]LeoPanthera 29ポイント30ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                        As much as I think the iTunes software is a bunch of crap... it DOESN'T DO THIS.

                                                                        It uploads your music and converts it to AAC for streaming but only in the cloud. It never deletes anything in your local library. (Unless you tell it to.)

                                                                        This article is almost certainly just bullshit for easy Apple-hating views - or a catastrophic case of PIBKAC. I've been using Apple Music (and before that, iTunes Match) for years and it's never deleted anything.

                                                                        I don't get it.

                                                                        [–]EkintSpecs/Imgur here 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        Unless you tell it to or misclick something. I would rather not have my software with a gun to my head that can fire at any time.

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                                                                          [–]Zsilfeni7 5500U, 840M, 8GB RAM 71ポイント72ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                          Thats Apple for you.

                                                                          [–]st0nehi5 4690K@4.5Ghz, R9 390, 16Gb RAM 68ポイント69ポイント  (43子コメント)

                                                                          People actually use iTunes?

                                                                          [–]pharmaco4i5 4690k, R9 380 4gb, 8gb RAM, EVO 250gb SSD, Win10 32ポイント33ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                          I used it for years to categorize my music. When i went to windows 10 i decided to stop using it. Only reason I used it was for my iPod and I rarely use it anymore. Literally no reason to use it, it is slow and resource intensive vs every other program. Every new update takes away some functionality.

                                                                          [–]BlackLabradors_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                          What do you use now? What other platforms are similar but better?

                                                                          [–]Kroteezyi7-980X BLUE TEAM BEST TEAM! | GTX 780 Ti GREEN TEAM BEST TEAM! 10ポイント11ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                          Same. When I joined the botnet moved to 10, it felt like the dawn of a new era, and I was between semesters. I ditched my iPhone for an Android flagship and migrated from iTunes to Foobar (which I promptly tricked the hell out of). Having a file system I could just drop MP3s into was a revelation.

                                                                          The only reason I still have iTunes installed is because they get content so fast, and, too many times, that content is exclusive to them. Granted, though, even that hasn't gotten me to fire it up recently because I just tend to pirate it (from people who got it through iTunes) instead. : B

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                                                                            [–]Killbo_BagginsFX-6350 | HD 7870 GHz Edition | 8GB DDR3 | Case Stickers 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                            You know the answer to this already. More people use it and have no issues with it than the vocal minority you see on PC Enthusiast hangouts like this subreddit.

                                                                            [–]testdex 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            It also works pretty well and pretty fast on mac. I didn't get all the hate until I tried it on Windows.

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                                                                              [–]threeclaws 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              I do because it works fine and always has for me, I used to have winamp and foobar and I gave doubletwist a shot but iTunes has always been the fallback.

                                                                              [–]xbl-gen1 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                              13 years later and iTunes is still a mess

                                                                              [–]Lightalife 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              And the Zune software still runs like a fucking CHAMP

                                                                              [–]mardan_redditi7 4790k | GTX 970 | 16GB | UbuntuGNOME 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              THE ZUNE NEVER DIES

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                                                                                [–]_Internet_I_WonderIntel Core I5 4460/GTX 750/8gbs of ddr3 ram 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                I actually do use itunes..

                                                                                [–]DatDrummerGuyi5-4690k @ 4.2Ghz | R9 380 4GB | 8GB DDR3 RAM 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Poor guy...

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                                                                                  [–]Datik 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  mm

                                                                                  i tried apple music, it didn't delete any of music, nor pirate music, nor band camp music

                                                                                  probably dude that reported this clicked "synch music", so it wiped

                                                                                  [–]Damaurisone4790k-GTX980SLI-32gb1866 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Foobar2000 FTW!

                                                                                  [–]elypter 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  always run malware in a sandbox

                                                                                  [–]immortalm3wtwo 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  I still use iTunes with it being blocked via the firewall. I don't need the itunes store and I have one of those ipod classic 160gb that I use for portable music.

                                                                                  [–]SPLPH_ 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                  can't steal my vinyl

                                                                                  [–]FillInTheBlank 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Oh?
                                                                                  What's your address and when are you next away from home?

                                                                                  [–]Heratiki 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  You essentially destroy it more and more with each listen... But it's not likely to effect the music until your much much older.

                                                                                  http://www.cnet.com/news/is-lp-wear-a-myth-can-fifty-year-old-records-still-sound-great/

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                                                                                    [–]lexbi 5ポイント6ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                                    This isn't really an Apple hardware problem, It's an Apple software problem.

                                                                                    I can kind of see the logic, oh you have "lady gaga - i like dicks", it's on the cloud so you can get it back when ever you want anyway, we'll just free up some space for you.

                                                                                    Sounds like it was meant to be convenient but a feature like this should be opt in, rather than opt out, sounds like it's clearly not setup right either.

                                                                                    Even then Apple Music, to me, on release day looked like a shitty version of Spotify.

                                                                                    I now can't justify the price of Spotify's £10 a month for the no advert shit.

                                                                                    So I use Amazon Prime Music, they have a browser music player that they don't advertise very well, and it's actually really good, selection isn't as large as Spotify, but you'd be surprised how much there is.

                                                                                    [–]Ark161I5-4760K@4.5GHz/8GB 1600mhz/GTX 980 STRIX 2xSLI/VG248QE 144hz 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                    Here is the deal....convenience would be scanning your data and making that music available to you universally; not manipulating user data. The logic apple is following is "if it is on the cloud, you don't need it locally"....well fuck you Tim Cook, I don't believe you get to decide what does/doesn't belong on the consumer's computer.

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                                                                                      [–]Seminal_Sound 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Since it's music, I just keep my music files as read-only. Suck it!

                                                                                      [–]dantebunny 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                      Maybe this is a good thread to ask...

                                                                                      I've been meaning to find a replacement for iTunes on my PC for years now. What it boils down to is that I want a media player that's actually oriented around the music I have.

                                                                                      For years now it's been hard to even find music in iTunes. I don't want to see 'radio', 'store', 'connect', 'recommendations for you', 'podcasts', 'other media', at least without hunting through menus. I don't want anything but a list view and playlists, and I want something that will actually switch between those without hanging because of its stupid "feature"-heaviness. I want a search function that doesn't hang and that supports basic functionality like ctrl-backspace and ctrl-a.

                                                                                      Suggestions?

                                                                                      [–]blitzkraftI stare at my screen all day. 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      This xkcd has never been more relevant.

                                                                                      [–]empirebuilder1Waiting for my life to download... 14ポイント15ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                                      The same kind of thing (not really but it's close) is going on in the PC camp with Adobe Creative Cloud shit. It's a subscription service, absolutely requires internet access to run, and if you stop subscribing you lose ALL your project files. It's complete, utter bullshit.

                                                                                      [–]pathtraceri7 3770k GTX 660 16GB DDR3 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      While the subscription model is indeed bullshit, the constant internet access requirement and losing access to your files is only if you're using their cloud-based project management. If you do things the normal way, saving projects locally, it "only" needs to phone home every 30 days, and if you stop subscribing they can't do anything to your local files (just block you out of using the CC programs.)

                                                                                      It is still definitely bs, just not quite that bs.

                                                                                      [–]Sorted 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                      Just pirate it.

                                                                                      [–]KusibuNew Boxen - 4690K + 960 (tied back together) + 16GB RAM 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                      It's a sad day and age when things you get illegally work better than the ones you pay for, almost every single time.

                                                                                      [–]Mrporky1i7 4790k - GTX 770 - Corsair Obsidian 750D 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                      "The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates" - Gabe Newell

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                                                                                        [–]Excitiumi7-4790K | Radeon HD 7990 | 32GB DDR3 15ポイント16ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                                                        If you’re wondering why Apple hasn’t been sued yet, it’s because the iTunes Terms of Use vaguely warn of this issue

                                                                                        If this happened to you, I would still talk to a lawyer. Just because it's in the terms of service/use and you agreed to them, doesn't mean Apple can do whatever the fuck they want.

                                                                                        There are extremly often a lot of things in all kinds of ToSs that don't hold up in court.

                                                                                        [–]GaenaralHONKGaenaralHONK 16ポイント17ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                        I know for a fact that in Germany you are not expected to actually read terms of service, so there would be a good chance it wouldn't hold up here.

                                                                                        [–]Excitiumi7-4790K | Radeon HD 7990 | 32GB DDR3 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                        Well, not quite. In germany, while you're not expected to read them, the ToS/AGBs (Allgemeine GeschäftsBedingungen) have to be pointed out to you and you must have had an opportunity to read those before you accept a contract. So if your contract partner never pointed them out to you, the contract isn't binding and you don't have to fulfill your contractual obligations.

                                                                                        But if he did and said ToS/AGB survive a content check (there are several paragraphs in the BGB (german civilian law) that are just about what you can put into ToS/AGBs and what not) they are binding, whether you actually read them or not.

                                                                                        If they don't survive the content check, then the contract must be reversed. In the example of a simple sale: you give back the item, the seller gives back the money.

                                                                                        In the Apple case though: If the ToS don't survive the content check your data is lost for good, so the contract can't be reversed, which would entitle you to a compensation.

                                                                                        Source: I'm german and I had to take 2 classes on media-law (mostly about ToS/AGB/Copyright and so on) for my comp. science major last year.

                                                                                        [–]GaenaralHONKGaenaralHONK 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                        Right. I just remembered the time when Origin just came out and had really dodgy ToS which didn't survive the check at least in Germany.

                                                                                        [–]Excitiumi7-4790K | Radeon HD 7990 | 32GB DDR3 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Honestly even though we germans joke a lot about our own bureaucracy, I'm quite happy we are so anal about those things.

                                                                                        At the end of the day it protects consumers from getting ass pounded by dirtbag companies.

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                                                                                              [–]jaggafoxyFX-8350 | 16GB (4x4GB) | ASUS ROG GTX 970 | Windows 10 | Xubuntu 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              As I like iTunes, I'll just start making frequent back ups of my iTunes library, starting today, right now.

                                                                                              [–]FlemtalityI Make Poopie 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1884035/

                                                                                              [–]atharoon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              If true, thats indeed insane.

                                                                                              Btw after 3 generations of iPhone I am really looking forward to my new smartphone, a Huawei product.

                                                                                              The reason I leave Apple behind? Bought a powerbank. When I connected it to the iPhone the screen displayed "Use of non licensed device detected. Connection terminated".

                                                                                              [–]makeswordcloudsagainDedicated Server-chan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              Here is a word cloud of every comment in this thread, as of this time: http://i.imgur.com/ws9VM1h.png

                                                                                              [source code] [contact developer] [request word cloud]

                                                                                              [–]schmak015930k@4.5Ghz|32GB DDR4|2x980Ti SC+|PG278Q|950 Pro M.2 512GB 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                              My wife installed this. Thank G_D I put my stuff on the NAS.

                                                                                              [–]Ark161I5-4760K@4.5GHz/8GB 1600mhz/GTX 980 STRIX 2xSLI/VG248QE 144hz 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                              Scary thought...what if the NAS was recognized as a network share or directory by Itunes and still invaded the NAS? I hope to science that isn't the case.....but it is not completely outside the realm of plausibility...

                                                                                              [–]schmak015930k@4.5Ghz|32GB DDR4|2x980Ti SC+|PG278Q|950 Pro M.2 512GB 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                              Nope and it scared me enough when she told me she had it installed today when I saw this that I had to double check and make sure it is all there.

                                                                                              At least I have all my music still on my Zune...

                                                                                              [–]Ark161I5-4760K@4.5GHz/8GB 1600mhz/GTX 980 STRIX 2xSLI/VG248QE 144hz 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                              Good to hear...I hope your Zune lasts (my wife's didn't). If you need an alternative....http://fiio.net/en/fiio

                                                                                              [–]Deroni76I have nothing to say, really. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, instead of immediately jumping to the anti-Apple bandwagon.

                                                                                              [–]Nuro92 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              THIS IS MADNESS!!! MADNESS!?!?! THIS IS APPLE!!!!!

                                                                                              [–]120z8t 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              The whole digital music thing is going to shit. Some apps are allowing artists to remaster/remix older work with out your say so. Even deleting songs from albums.

                                                                                              [–]NicolasCageHatesBees 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              And people made fun of me for using a Zune...

                                                                                              [–]violenttangomilitant best practice 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              This is a good reason to with literally anything else. I use Amazon mp3 which as been great, and google music is also an option.

                                                                                              [–]DrFlashpoint 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              Apple Article about Apple Music

                                                                                              When Apple Music adds these matched songs to your iCloud Music Library, Apple Music doesn’t change or alter your original music files that reside in iTunes for Mac or PC or on your iOS devices from which they were added.

                                                                                              So no it doesn't do that. I may or may not work for a multi billion dollar fruit logo company. I know it doesn't do that. There was a big early in that was quashed, that when you you stopped using Apple Music, it removed your music files, that was resolved the first week.

                                                                                              [–]EugenernatorIntel® Core™2 Quad Q8300 | Gigabyte GTX 580 SOC | 4GB DDR2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              An OS X updated deleted one fucking year worth if my uni notes. I can't get it back now.

                                                                                              [–]TheGeorgeFormani7 3770|GTX770|8GB RAM 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              The author is wrong, this isn't apple music, its itunes match. Completely different service. This guy is an idiot

                                                                                              [–]Triplesixer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              Never use anything apple = problem solved :D

                                                                                              [–]lamabaronvonawesome 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              Fuck itunes and devices designed to force you to use their services to get anything. PCMASTER RACE FTW!

                                                                                              [–]p_jay 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              ITunes has always been a disaster.

                                                                                              [–]bluebarks 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              Remember when you didn't read anything on your screen and clicked "I Accept"? Well...there's your problem right there; that and using an Apple product of course.

                                                                                              [–]fission035I DOWNVOTE HUMBLEBRAGGERS! 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                              If Apple Music saw a file it didn’t recognize—which came up often, since I’m a freelance composer and have many music files that I created myself—it would then download it to Apple’s database, delete it from my hard drive, and serve it back to me when I wanted to listen, just like it would with my other music files it had deleted.

                                                                                              This is fucking ridiculous. Never gonna use any Apple product from now on.

                                                                                              [–]eliar91i5-4690K @ 4.3 GHz | R9 280X @ 1030/1500 | 8 GB DDR3 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              It also never happened.

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                                                                                                [–]Kroteezyi7-980X BLUE TEAM BEST TEAM! | GTX 780 Ti GREEN TEAM BEST TEAM! 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                Giving users no control is Apple standard operating procedure. : D

                                                                                                [–]gandhiissquidwardi5 4690K - GTX 780 - 16GB DDR3 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                                Any alternatives that I can also use on my iPhone?

                                                                                                [–]Heckler6i5 4690k, xfx 290x black, Z79s Krait 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                I used Winamp a while ago to transfer stuff to an Ipod I had. May be able to still use that. Or with a quick search I found copytrans.net

                                                                                                [–]croakovision 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                Spotify and Google Play Music both let you listen to your own music files, and both are great services for streaming music. The downside is that neither is worth it on an iphone if you only wanted to listen to local music files and don't want the streaming service.

                                                                                                Between the two I recommend Spotify, because Google Play Music doesn't offer a desktop music client and somehow using it in my browser feels sluggish. Also I hate their interface, but that probably comes down more to personal preference.

                                                                                                [–]MHzBurglari7 4770K / GTX 760 / 16 GB DDR3 / 256GB SSD 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                There is a Google Play Music desktop player, but it's a third party one. I use it though and it works really, really well. It basically encapsulates the Google Play Music website, but it adds features like media button controls on the keyboard and a 'fly-out' mini player. The only drawback is that it can only stream from your library and All Access and can't play local files.

                                                                                                It's available on Windows, Mac OSX and Linux, through I've only used the Windows version.

                                                                                                http://www.googleplaymusicdesktopplayer.com/

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                                                                                                  [–]NEM3S1SAMD 8350, GTX 780 Ti, 3x 1080p 24", 16GB DDR3, 128 SSD, 4TB HDD 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  I mean, it's not like Apple has ever been good with the way they do music. Back in the early 2000's, they were huge because iPods were the only reliable mp3 player, and so iTunes was the only reliable media source. It's always been slow and clunky, from the terrible way it handles disc burning to the ridiculous load/sync times every time the program boots up, to the general unwieldiness of the program on PCs compared to the smooth as butter performance on a Mac (which has to be an intentional decision). I had an iPod Nano 1st-gen, my sister had a 2nd-gen, Mom had a Shuffle, and my sister eventually got a Touch. It wasn't until I got my first Droid (a DROID X) that I finally tasted freedom from Apple, thanks to streaming services like Pandora (Spotify wasn't out yet and Pandora was still ad-free with infinite skips), and holy crap did it taste good.

                                                                                                  Something that always bugged me was that you could never get songs off of your iPod once they were on the device. I understood why, they didn't want you transferring files to other people, but my hard drive once crapped out, and now I have at least a few dozen tracks that only exist on my iPod. I tried using a third-party program to get songs off my sister's iPod, but it didn't work quite right and only some songs were able to be ripped. Over time, the situation only got worse. They quickly locked down their file format so you could only play their tracks on iTunes or an Apple device, and eventually, disallowed the burning of tracks purchased from iTunes. I tried plugging my iPod into a friend's computer to play some music and it wouldn't let me because I "wasn't authorized" to play it on his device. I hit the authorization limit quickly when we upgraded PCs and wasn't able to de-authorize old machines because Apple stupidly left out the ability to manage your machines, requiring you to plug in the device and de-authorize it manually. So if your hard drive stops working (like mine did), sucks to be you.

                                                                                                  Then they decided to upgrade their file format to be higher quality and had the nerve to charge 29 cents per track to "upgrade" your existing library. Then, not long after, decided to upgrade you for free. What if I had forked over the $145 to upgrade my 500-track library? And then they had the nerve to charge $1.29 for everything without notifying anyone, just "hey guess what prices are up today".

                                                                                                  It's really not until you make the conscious decision to not use Apple products that you realize exactly how shitty they really are. I stopped using iTunes back in 2010, but it wasn't until I upgraded to Windows 8 that I completely rid myself of it by simply not reinstalling it. I've been iTunes-free for about three and a half years now, and am loving life. Between Groove and Pandora, I have all the music I need. I listen to ripped CDs through Windows Media Player and don't have to worry about iTunes' clunkiness or trying to invade my privacy identifying all my tracks. If I want a song on my phone, I just pop it into my OneDrive folder and in moments, I can listen to it anywhere.

                                                                                                  TL;DR - Fuck Apple. They had us by the balls in the early 2000s, but they only got worse from there. At this point, we'd all be better off if they ceased operation entirely.

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