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Jake Tapper on Twitter: "Breaking -- @SpeakerRyan tells @CNN he cannot endorse/support @realDonaldTrump right now (twitter.com)

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[–]Green-Goblin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Party is now split foreshore

[–]Not_Cleaver [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

This gives tacit approval for any congressman facing a tough re-election fight, to run a campaign not tied in any way to Trump's presidential race. I'd expect additional congressmen, especially those in close races, to come out against Trump too.

[–]Wolfenstyne#NeverTrump[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

https://twitter.com/cimarcos/status/728323607336779776

Here's one. There is the NV Senator who came out against him yesterday. The amount of House and Senate members in contention this year who will come out against him is going to be crazy.

[–]YouDeserveToBeAlone [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They're both posturing . Ryan unfortunately has to defend the establishment the voting electorate are voting against.
Paul Nehlen has much to gain from this. Hope the man is smart.

[–]universal_strawConstitutional Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Damn. That's gonna leave a mark.

[–]jogarz [スコア非表示]  (32子コメント)

But I though everyone Trump alienated would magically fall in line after he got the nomination!

[–]jonesrr [スコア非表示]  (31子コメント)

This is Paul Ryan's way of saying "Yes, Trump now fully controls the GOP and I'm abandoning the GOP completely, this is the death of the Republican party, and I want to piss off every single voter in my base because I don't care about America or what Americans want".

It's hilarious that people applaud the stance. Goodbye Republican party, nice 180 year history but it's over.

[–]Ralph1962 [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

Um, Wisconsin turned out heavily against Trump, especially Ryan's district. We do NOT like him here. He kind of heavily insulted what we've done and attacked our governor.

[–]jonesrr [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

Worth noting: Trump is currently ahead in Rock County, which includes Paul Ryan’s home base of Janesville, 43 percent to 36 percent.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/wisconsin-primary-presidential-election-2016/

Paul Ryan is risking everything. He's being challenged by a pro-Trump, extremely "Wisconsin" guy within his own party for reelection right now. He's risking getting Cantored.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/05/paul-nehlen-paul-ryan-sold-his-vote-i-absolutely-believe-that/

[–]Ralph1962 [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

Janesville never votes for Ryan. It's the rest of the district that does. We aren't about to fail to re-elect the highest office-holding Wisconsinite in history because of a clown who used liberal lines to attack Scott Walker.

[–]jonesrr [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

Um the Majority leader of the fucking house lost reelection and spent 500 times what his opponent did.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Paul Ryan can easily, very easily, lose reelection. Trump supporters have this pesky way of being really passionate about corruption like this. Low turnout primary bids like this can be highly vulnerable to enthusiasm gaps.

[–]jogarz [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Corruption like what? People not support assholes candidates?

[–]jonesrr [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Corruption like worrying more about corporate lobbyists and their trade interests than your own voting base.

[–]Wolfenstyne#NeverTrump[S] [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

There is a whole lot of the voting base of Conservatives who don't want Trump.

[–]jonesrr [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

There's just the pesky part that well over half of the entire GOP DOES want Trump as their first choice. Are they ready to cut off half of their base, who won't vote for them again until they're dead and will actively subvert the party for years afterwards?

[–]cronidollars [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

paul ryan is an asshole candidate. He took staged photos at a soup kitchen cleaning clean pots

[–]Ralph1962 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Are you from Wisconsin? His district? I'm guessing not since you assumed Janesville supporting Trump was supposed to indicate anything relevant to the Republican primary. Wisconsin talk radio is anti-Trump. Our governor is anti-Trump. Aside from a few northern districts, most of us voted against Trump. He's not going to lose, at least not easily.

[–]jonesrr [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I lived in Madison for many years, however, yes, Ryan can easily lose, and what's worse, he's risking the total implosion of the GOP itself as a political party as the base abandons them. But yeah, keep clapping over "moral victories" as you perceive them.

[–]Ralph1962 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Walker can lose his seat?

I'm sorry to hear you lived in that leftist shithole.

It's not a moral victory. His district voted against Trump. You can't say he's ignoring the will of the people who voted for him when he's actually acting in accordance with how they voted.

[–]jonesrr [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Do you have polls of his district that want him to support the GOP nominee vs just blindly support whoever they voted for in a primary? Or polls that ask if they want Ryan to actively work against the party's own nominee just because he was paid off by lobbyists?

That's basically how this is going to be framed, and the guy going against him is framing it that way already.

[–]jogarz [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Not supporting a non-conservative nominee is now not caring about America? Don't be melodramatic.

[–]actofgod22 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Yea McCain was SO conservative, GW too!

[–]universal_strawConstitutional Conservative [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

No, they weren't perfect, but they were leaps and bounds better than Trump is.

[–]actofgod22 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

McCain was an open-border globalist, Bush was an amnesty-pushing progressive. Neither were conservative and neither was Romney. They're all big government globalists who happened to hold social conservative stances.

Stop with the stupid social issues, start paying attention to what matters.

[–]universal_strawConstitutional Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

At least they were pro-free trade. Trump is not. That's a deal breaker.

Stop with the stupid social issues, start paying attention to what matters.

Just because they don't matter to you doesn't mean they don't matter to some of us.

[–]jonesrr [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Ignoring your base because someone is "not conservative enough for my tastes" is indeed flipping off your entire party and the voters, yes.

If this continues much longer, the GOP won't exist after November.

[–]Thedonaldbot [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

If the GOP no longer stands for conservatism, then good riddance.

[–]jonesrr [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The GOP never stood for conservatism at least not for the last 30 years. It stood for neocon foreign policy, deficit spending, massive military spending, and social bigamy.

[–]Thedonaldbot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Whatever you think- either way, with Trump as its standard bearer, it certainly does not now.

[–]forbin1992 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah pretty much all historians and political theorists would disagree with the GOP not standing for conservatism for the last 30 years. Sorry you're butthurt not everyone loves your orange democrat god.

[–]forbin1992 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He left the door opened. Basically said he "isn't ready" to support Trump, and said his lack of conservative principles is a big factor. I'm glad he did this, it says Trump has to earn his support and can't completely pander to the left this election.

[–]S0ckHeaven [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Trump supporters who don't think this matters are kidding themselves. Past Republican Presidents, sitting Senators, Speaker of the House... yeah, these are more moderate establishment Republican types, but the party is folding in on itself. I am neverTrump, but if I was running his campaign, getting this stuff fixed would be job 1. Terrific that he is picking up a few voters as he pivots left more and more, but his scorched earth tactics are starting to bear their fruit.

[–]whataboutmuhroads [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The problem with Donald Trump is that being a non-developed republican who endorses him would essentially be career suicide if he completely tanks

[–]stupidaccountname [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's completely understandable. He's very much a wild card.

On the other hand, career politicians who waffle around the edges afraid to say or do anything because it might hurt their political career are part of the reason Trump is currently barreling towards the nomination.

Ryan is a bit of a special case because it is his job to wrangle all these groups into some sort of cohesive voting bloc.

I have more respect for people who've just come out and said they don't like Trump. I think the all out assault on Kerry as a flip flopper in 2004 has only served to harden the resolve of a lot of politicians to never actually say anything for fear that they might change their mind at some point, and the rise of YouTube and social media has only made it worse. We are in sort of a transitionary phase right now where people are trying to come up with strategies for working in the age of new media.

[–]jonesrr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's what George Romney thought with Goldwater, Reagan saw the writing on the wall and the shift of the party away, and Romney became irrelevant and Reagan was president.

[–]Triggabit [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If the person endorses Trump, then it means that he is the great unifier and deal maker and said support of that person only shows that everyone is getting behind him. If the person refuses to endorse or support Trump, then it doesn't matter, they are part of the corruption that Trump will get rid of, they're going against the will of the people, and nobody cares what they say or do anyway.

[–]TheRollingTide [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think this may be deal making in action. Hold out until the convention, make deals to setup a good vp and cabinet, and then endorse and unite the party.

[–]nTsplnk [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Never Trumpers should change their text to "Hillary for President" because that's who they want.

[–]jonesrr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Of course they want to maintain the status quo. Trump would come in and clean these fuckers out, and stop them from doing 99% of the lobbyist agenda crap they do every day. Ryan would much much rather have Hillary in office.

[–]actofgod22 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Really shows that all of their 'Hillary would be the worst thing for our country" bluster was nothing but partisan bullshit.

[–]forbin1992 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes that's what we want.

You just don't get it. There is no difference between the two other than on immigration. His tariff ideas are worse than any of Hillary's. They are both awful democrats and we won't let our party become a liberal nationalist populist movement like you want it to become.

[–]Reddit-Is-Trash [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

So Trump won't get funding for the general nor will he get the support of the party.

This is going to go very badly.

[–]jonesrr [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

How much do you want to bet that Trump easily has funding for the general in the end, probably as much as the DNC has for Hillary? Will you give me 2:1 odds on him having over $1B to throw around in the general?

[–]Reddit-Is-Trash [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

From who? The Koch brothers are out.

[–]jonesrr [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I love that people on here think that the Koch brothers are the only donors that exist. Icahn and Humme are nearly as rich and are best buds with Trump, but beyond that, there's a plethora of people who are going to donate.

[–]chabanais#Never RNC [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Don't forget about the Koch brothers.

[–]jonesrr [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Well if it tells you how corrupt Hilldawg is, they probably will support her because she's pro-amnesty and Trump having America first free trade would really harm their bottom lines.

[–]JoleneAL [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

So?

[–]Wolfenstyne#NeverTrump[S] [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

The Speaker of the House, the highest elected Republican in the country, has declined to endorse his parties Nominee. Does that not seem significant to you?

[–]EMPEROR_TRUMP_2016 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Ryan lost all credibility after he passed the omni buss bill. He spit on the face of every single American that day.

[–]sisterofshane [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The omnibus bill was already passed, Boehner assured it before he left the office of the speaker. Would Ryan have taken the nuclear option against it? Probably, but what do you think that would have cost our party in political capital?

[–]Thedonaldbot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Trump lost any credibility (not that he had any before) when he said that he's in favor of raising the minimum wage hours after securing the nomination.

[–]JoleneAL [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No, doesn't mean squat.

[–]Takeitinblood7k [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Honestly it means alot, it gives a nod to all the never Trump folks. And makes a third candidate run more likely. If that happens the Democrats auto win. Furthermore it makes the post November Republican party a shit show. Trump supporters will leave the party en masse and the conservatives are already jumping ship.

[–]chabanais#Never RNC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Guy is a RINO interested in perpetuating party politics.

[–]nTsplnk [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

It means that the Speaker of the House supports the establishment and wants to keep his job, fearing that Trump will root out corruption and the failed republican leaders that led this country astray.

[–]universal_strawConstitutional Conservative [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

fearing that Trump will root out corruption and the failed republican leaders that led this country astray.

The president doesn't have anything close to the power to do that. Unless you can prove illegal activity occurred beyond a shadow of a doubt corruption charges are useless. Look at Hillary for goodness sake.

[–]nTsplnk [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The president has plenty of power when it comes to investigating corruption.

Look at Hillary for goodness sake.

Jee, I wonder why Hillary isn't getting cracked down on more. Maybe it's because Obama supports Hillary. Nah, can't be it.

[–]universal_strawConstitutional Conservative [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The problem with your thinking is there's absolutely no reason to believe that Ryan is a part of any corrupt dealings. Ohh sure, there's always people screaming "the establishment is corrupt" but without proof they're rightfully ignored.

The only thing Ryan is scared of right now is the fact that a Trump presidency will turn Congress deep blue.

[–]nTsplnk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It doesn't matter. If Trump succeeds, the hold that democrats and republican insiders have is damaged.

This makes him lose power, which is all he wants.

The only thing Ryan is scared of right now is the fact that a Trump presidency will turn Congress deep blue.

I don't think he's scared of that at all, by the talk of many republicans and "conservatives" on here they'd love it.

[–]Thedonaldbot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Honest Question: on the chance that Trump wins the general, once he is president, will he be part of the "establishment?" Because it seems that most Trump supporters' definitions include anyone who has held any elected office ever at any moment in time. This would then include Trump.

[–]IDontBelieveInIsms [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No. Not right now and I will say why. We just left a very contentious primary season where there was not friendly relations between the differing ideologies of the party, arguably one of the most contentious in history. Trump was on one side and Ryan was clearly on the other. Now this primary season and its fighting only really ended two days ago. Not only that, it ended very unexpectedly at the height of tensions. If he had immediately come out with a different statement, he would have looked disingenuous. So no. I view this as no more than it is. Him edging towards party unity but allowing tensions to cool.

[–]chabanais#Never RNC [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

Ryan himself is a RINO.

[–]Thedonaldbot [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Yup- he supports raising the minimum wage, opposes free trade, opposes entitlement reform, supports planned parenthood, supports single-payer healthcare, supports the mentally ill being able to use opposite gender restrooms...

You meant Trump is a RINO right?

[–]chabanais#Never RNC [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Trump is not the highest elected Republican in the United States.

[–]Thedonaldbot [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Well, he is vying to be just that...

Though to my point, he would only be a Republican In Name Only.

[–]jonesrr [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

He would also carry policies that vast super majorities of the GOP already agree with. Last poll I saw had huge majorities of Republicans in support (75-80%) of maintaining SS payouts as they are and not raising the retirement age. Republicans also support minimum wage increases.

[–]AceOfSpades70Libertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's because those items are listed individually. Republicans support a balanced budget, with massive tax cuts, without cutting entitlements or the military. The math doesn't add up. If you don't believe me look at the 20 Trillion that Trumps plan would add to the debt.

[–]chabanais#Never RNC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Though to my point, he would only be a Republican In Name Only.

I don't think he promised to be otherwise.

[–]universal_strawConstitutional Conservative [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

He's still the highest ranking elected Republican in government right now. This is significant.

[–]chabanais#Never RNC [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

If Trump represents a revolt against the establishment then this is great news for his campaign.

I view Ryan as part of the problem.

[–]universal_strawConstitutional Conservative [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

You can view Ryan as the problem all you want. He's still the defacto leader of the Party at the moment.

Saying his refusal to endorse the party's nominee won't make a difference is delusional.

[–]chabanais#Never RNC [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

I never said it would or wouldn't make a difference.

He's still the defacto leader of the Party at the moment.

Then he should look at himself in the mirror and ask himself where he went wrong.

[–]universal_strawConstitutional Conservative [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

No, you specifically didn't. Others in this thread did however.

He really should. How the hell the party allowed a life long democrat to win the Republican nomination is a question many of us would like answered.

[–]chabanais#Never RNC [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

No, you specifically didn't.

So, to re-state, you not only got my position wrong but you insulted me as well.

Nicely done!

How the hell the party allowed a life long democrat to win the Republican nomination is a question many of us would like answered.

It's that type of attitude that likely gave us Trump. Perhaps if the party better served its members they wouldn't have needed to "manage" things like that.

[–]universal_strawConstitutional Conservative [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I fail to see how that's an insult, I was reading another comment as I was replying to you. Honest mistake. If you want to play the victim however, go ahead.

It's that type of attitude that likely gave us Trump. Perhaps if the party better served its members they wouldn't have needed to "manage" things like that.

No argument there.

[–]chabanais#Never RNC [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

So you don't think calling someone "delusional" is an insult?

[–]universal_strawConstitutional Conservative [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Did I call you delusional? No, I did not. I said saying his refusal to endorse Trump won't make a difference is delusional. Did you say it won't make a difference? No, you did not.

[–]kevkev667 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Even if this is just posturing, it will make a future endorsement more meaningful if one comes.

For anyone who has been paying attention, if Ryan immediately came out with support for Trump it would feel disingenuous.

(I should mention that I'm apparently one of the only people in this thread that respects Paul Ryan... His opinion or at least his 'stated' opinioin matters to me)