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Unpopular opinions - May (self.reddevils)

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We haven't had one in a while, thought I should do one. What's up?

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[–]DarmianLVG 70ポイント71ポイント  (12子コメント)

I want Fellaini to stay. Time and time again he has performed when it matters and has won games for us. Sure, his football isn't the prettiest, but in several games he has offered us exactly what we needed.

[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 34ポイント35ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not to mention he really gives a shit about the team. I've never been happier when Fellaini scores. You can see what it means to him to play for United.

[–]DarmianLVG 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Exactly. It'll be these passionate players who bring us back to the top.

[–]ijd17Uncle Ant 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually agree with this

[–]LDN2016 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

He's put in more match winning goals, big game performances and iconic moments in the last 2 years than all of Basti, Mata, Ander and Blind combined.

He's got serious limitations but I think he's a fucking fantastic tactical option. He totally bullies Matic and Yaya every single match he plays agaisnt them. He's often the difference against physical teams like S'oton, West Ham and Watford.

[–]silkie_blondoKing Dave 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Bit unfair to Blind. Been one of our most consistent performers since signing.

[–]tamasuperstarDe Gea 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a big fan of Fellaini but it's not fair on Basti either.

I'd say it only properly applies to Mata.

[–]obadetonaHerrera na na naaaa 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The problem is not that Fellaini doesn't do a great job once in a while. It's that there are players out there who can do the same job more consistently and more.

[–]DarmianLVG 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't disagree with that. There are times when I have been disappointed to see Fellaini starting, but there are games that absolutely scream for him. I think he'll he missed against West Ham next week.

[–]ManUChao7Memphis -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Renato is done deal Bastian will be back next season so I don't think there is room for Fellaini. We need a way better CAM if we are going to stick with 4-2-3-1 formation and I just can't see big Fella staying with us.

[–]HillClimbRacer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

These flip floppers are downvoting, they'll be pissed at Fellaini again if he does stay.

[–]designbynuff -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

+1

[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 36ポイント37ポイント  (0子コメント)

19 comments, 2 points.

My unpopular opinion is that we should vote on threads that we comment in.

[–]ttjoelkerMemphis 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

Realistically, we won't sell Memphis. That would be plain mental.

Memphis is a young player with a load of talent and extreme potential. Forget about all other players, because all players are different. It doesn't matter that Martial found his stride almost immediately and has kept it going. What matters is, we give Memphis the play time he requires and we build him up to be United caliber. Coaches, former teammates, pundits, they all concur that he is a great talent. United know this, I'm sure, and just because a few people want him sold, they won't sell him. It's actually laughable how deluded some of you are.

[–]asparagus_p 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Giving a young foreign import just one season is just plain ridiculous anyway. Some adapt better than others and Memphis has struggled. But shipping him out after 1 season would be the knee jerkiest thing ever. If he's still struggling after 3 or 4 seasons, then maybe he never will settle. But he needs more time for sure.

[–]matthew1955 53ポイント54ポイント  (10子コメント)

For his and our sake, Mata needs to be sold.

[–]Launch_a_poo 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is a very very popular opinion as is the trend with unpopular opinion threads

Worth mentioning I don't entirely agree with it, that is my unpopular opinion

[–]matthew1955 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd have assumed the popular opinion would be to keep him as a squad player given he has the most assists of any United player this season and his "nice guy" attitude.

Can't say I've read or heard too much about United fans wanting Mata gone but fair enough.

[–]YoungJumpWazza[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

100% agree, he's not good enough and at this point he's holding us back. I know he's a great person but he isn't good enough to be starting for us anymore and I wouldn't want him to ride our bench

[–]DevilishRogueGiggs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The frustrating thing is that he has the ability. He is technically brilliant, gets into decent positions off the ball (and ties up multiple defenders when he can't create space), has the versatility to play across the width of the pitch and can score when utilised effectively. But he hasn't got the strength to avoid getting muscled off the ball, the height or reach to win crosses or the pace to outdistance defenders to run on to through balls and in Van Gaals system his lack in these areas in particular has meant that Mata simply cannot play his game effectively.

[–]koba-311 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, we need a better number ten and a right winger if we want to challenge for the title. Mata isn't a impact sub either (the Leicester game as the recent example). He cannot run at tired players like Memphis can or can cause damage like Fellaini with his physicality.

[–]bluebeaver123 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

But, who do we sell him to though? He is not good enough for the top European clubs, who can afford his high wages and on the other hand, don't think he will be willing to take a wage cut and move to a lesser team.

[–]thecricketnerdYoung 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

He could easily go to La Liga this summer and rack up 25 assists next season.

[–]DevilishRogueGiggs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He'd be even better in Serie A where the slower game would enable him to make up for his lack of pace with his technical ability.

[–]matthew1955 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not that I know their style too much, but I could imagine him at one of Valencia, Sevilla, Villareal.

He recently publicly stated how overpaid footballers are and he'd play for much less, so I don't imagine he's the type of character to dig his heels in once he's told he's surplus to requirements.

[–]StampedByGerrardVidic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mata for Andre Gomes straight swap

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo 37ポイント38ポイント  (33子コメント)

I don't think there is anything wrong with our board.

[–]Mustard93 21ポイント22ポイント  (9子コメント)

Haha go on then, I'll bite. Reasons? (other than you don't want to be fired!).

[–]DatGuyRichMartial 14/12. DAMN SON 11ポイント12ポイント  (8子コメント)

For a start it made no sense to sack LVG in December

[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 12ポイント13ポイント  (7子コメント)

I get you might have disagreed, but "no sense". Really?

I think Van Gaal should have gone in the christmas period. He had shown no progress at all in United's play and the performances were getting worse and top 3 was fading away.

[–]Launch_a_poo 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

We were top of the league in November and you can't be that reactionary and sack a manager a month later. If the BBC are to be beleived we had some form of talks with Mourinho at the start of February. That seems sensible.

[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

We were top despite our bad performances. It was entirely deceptive.

We had Mourinho rumours all over Xmas. We legit believed he was coming at the start of January.

[–]TudoorsYoung 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being top despite bad performances goes both ways. When we had Fergie, and we were top despite our poor start, that was probably the best way to gauge we would win the league.

[–]Launch_a_poo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even still, I think allowing him two months of poor results (December and January) was the correct decision before making moves towards sacking him.

[–]black_squireMartial -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sure you can say it was deceptive now after injuries in December derailed us. Since January we've amassed more points than every team above us except Leicester and Spurs. Bad performances and all. It wasn't deceptive. We were top of the league.

[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/3yaejv/post_match_thread_stoke_vs_manchester_united/

Here's a post match thread after failing to win in 8 games. You're revising your argument hugely.

[–]black_squireMartial -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure what I'm looking for. But the point is new information is now available. We had a bad run. We know it was just a bad run because evidence since then points to a team that should be in top 3 of the league based on results since then.

[–]ijd17Uncle Ant 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

people are downvoting an unpopular opinion in an unpopular opinion thread, lol. In regards to your comment, why do you have that opinion?

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo 32ポイント33ポイント  (9子コメント)

Well, for starters, our board isn't just 1 person. Our board is not solely Ed Woodward, which a lot of people seem to think...

Whilst our board is made up with a large amount of the Glazer family, and they riddled us with the insane debt, are they currently holding us back? I'd argue not. You hear all the time that our board are wank. But then you get the news that we'll be getting over £100m a season from kit sponsors alone. Which will allow us to buy players who we all like. Who set about achieving those deals? The board.

Ed Woodward was covered in glory when signing Di Maria, Falcao, Basti, Schneiderlin, Memphis (to name a few). And he doesn't make ONE decision (Admittedly, a decision i want to happen) and all of a sudden the entire board is inept?! Give me a break. I've said it before and i'll say it again. We have NO idea what goes on at boardroom level. We get what the media feeds us, which could be total bollocks. How do we know the board haven't already decided to sack Louis? How do we know the board haven't decided on Jose already, but want to give him a fresh season to begin? We don't. We get a quote from the media saying LVG might not be sacked and it's 'our board are shit bla bla bla'

A shit board would allow LVG to stay for a decade playing the way we do. Our board is not shit. The blame from LVG's failures are spreading. I see people blaming the board regarding our transfer policy...WHAT?! They get told by the manager who to buy, and they fork out for him. A shit board would have shook their heads at £36m for Martial and he'd have gone to Juventus or something. They pull it out of the bag time and time again. If it doesn't work out, it aint their fault, it's LVG's.

Yes LVG should have been replaced a while ago. That was a mistake. We just need to see what happens in the summer. If we let Jose go and continue with LVG's boring style of play, they can come under scrutiny. For now, nah.

[–]murica_sauceVidić 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Great post. I would add to that logic one other detail - when LvG arrived, the majority of people lauded the board for a great choice in manager: one with a history of 'reinventing squads' that had just taken the Dutch team to the 3rd place game while playing fun-to-watch football and getting good performances out of his players, who was renowned for bringing along young talent.

Hindsight is 20/20, and everyone is entitled to their opinion regarding LvG's performance since then - but most people seemed to agree at the time that LvG was a good signing.

[–]ThadderfulRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot of people were wary due to his performance at Barca and Bayern too to be fair. Most people wanted Klopp, Pep or Mourinho. Nobody wanted Van Gaal when it looked like he was going to Spurs. Luckily Spurs didn't get him, they could have really used him!

[–]manudevil7Beckham 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually agree with you. Does Ed Woodward deserve blame for not sacking LvG during our horrible run in December? Absolutely.

However, I think Ed Woodward deserves praise as well. He has adjusted the schedule to fit LvG's needs, especially pre-season. It would make more financial sense for us to play more pre-season games, however, Woodward has put aside the additional money generated to fit LvG's needs.

His success on the commercial side is probably the best in the world. He's a savage. Nothing more needs to be said here.

I think if the board comes under fire, then Charlton and SAF deserve a lot of blame. I would love to hear what SAF thinks when LvG is telling fans their expectations are "too high."

SAF and Charlton should be sacked, if the board refuses to appoint Mourinho in the summer. Also, I am sick of SAF using his former players that are now in the media to convey this "pro-LvG" message. It's pathetic.

[–]WhovianMoakSchweinsteiger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

To add to this, I think we are ignoring a few factors that got us to this point.

Fergie leaving required a huge restructuring of the club as a whole. His way of doing things and the singular power he had left when he did. So it was inevitable that major changes to the club itself would be reflected on the pitch. Rebuilding is a shitty term, but for lack of a better one; the clubs structure is being redefined on all levels. It takes time. The board will likely never, nor should it, cede that much power to a manager again. There needs to be a mutual relationship. (for all we know, this is why they keep LVG around. They may have bought into his 3-yr plan and they plan to see it out, who knows)

If we can accept that to be true(I could be wrong), it happened at a bad time. The recent influx of money into the rest of the league changed the power dynamics of the league. I heard a quote to the effect of "The top powers hiccuped and it allowed a Leicester to happen." No disrespect to them at all, but the top 4 teams all have been pretty complacent in transfers and hires for the past few years. The new money is bound to make low-table teams more likely to put together a squad that can challenge the top teams. The league is changing and we better figure out how to adapt.

tl;dr: I don't think the board is inept either, I think they are just figuring out the best way to adapt to a new team culture and league landscape. I accept that it takes time, but fuck its hard to watch sometimes.

[–]designbynuff 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't see this before making my previous comment.

The current board at the club had very little to do with the debt, so they can't really be blamed for that. They've done an ok job of handling it while allowing us to be competitive in football terms—I say "ok" because we've actually done much better than expected thanks to Fergie's genius and the commercial prowess of folks like Woodward. In light of those facts, we could and possibly should have attacked the debt more aggressively in the last few years, and paid it off completely.

Obviously, the late Mr. Glazer and family would have had to pocket a bit less in dividend for that to happen, but it would have been the right decision considering the continuing economic uncertainty. A smaller payoff now and no debt is always the best option if there's a chance of another recession happening and that debt getting worse.

This is probably the only thing the board could have done better, and to be honest I'm not sure whether the rest of the board could outvote Malcolm and sons anyway. So maybe it wasn't even their fault.

Neither of the Sirs are active Directors as far as I can tell, their roles are more ambassadorial/advisory. Yes, they have influence, but that doesn't translate directly to decision making.

Typically, Things like hiring/firing managers are executive-level responsibilities, not board-level. Woodward is the executive vice-chair, meaning he's in both camps. This is a brand new model for United, and seems designed to give the board more hands-on involvement, which is kind of scary as they aren't supposed to act as employees of the club.

[–]ThadderfulRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which will allow us to buy players who we all like.

This has not been evidenced in terms of world class players properly since 2002. RVP and Di Maria are the only two players we have brought in who were world class, one lasted one season before his age caught up to him and the other was way too expensive given he was being chucked out of Madrid and never wanted to come here anyway.

Ed Woodward was covered in glory when signing Di Maria, Falcao, Basti, Schneiderlin, Memphis (to name a few). And he doesn't make ONE decision (Admittedly, a decision i want to happen) and all of a sudden the entire board is inept?! Give me a break.

This is true, arguably last summer was an extreme success at the close of the window - however look at the previous decade of underinvestment in the team, the board presided over that too. If Ferguson left a team with players the quality of Barca's, Bayern's or Madrid's do you think we would have finished 7th the next year? Of course not.

We have NO idea what goes on at boardroom level.

Whilst this is technically true, you can see what they do by their action's and inactions. You don't have to have a live feed in the boardroom and a copy of the minutes to understand what happens in there.

They pull it out of the bag time and time again.

Nope - one overinflated fee on deadline day does not good management make. Also, they have only started spending 'big' (outspent by City since we last won the league every year) since they shit the bed post Ferguson leaving and realising that they couldn't coast on his legendary ability. Do you think a competent board would have deliberately chosen to purchase Fellaini for more than his release clause?

If it doesn't work out, it aint their fault, it's LVG's.

What? Do you think LvG personally negotiates and bids for players? Don't be ridiculous, I have you at the greenest you can be on RES but seriously man...

[–]MalforianMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

100% agree with all these points

People take what the press say as gospel

"LvG to be sacked" ...OMG THE BOARD IS GREAT... Woody you da man

Next week

"LvG to be given another season.." ..... FFS Boards a bunch of wankers... Woodys a retard

Cycle restarts

[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Our board is not solely Ed Woodward, which a lot of people seem to think

I'm not sure that any user on this sub legitimately thinks that "the board" is just Ed Woodward.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whilst that's probably true...It certainly seems that way! I bet most people slating our board don't even know who's on it.

[–]ManUChao7Memphis 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

If LVG retires this summer and Mourinho walks in, me personally I believe it's done deal and all this circus happened because of journos wanting clicks, then we should give more credit to the board. After SAF retirement and Moyes disaster we bounced back way faster than I expected, especially if we win the FA cup too. Tbh premier league level is low the recent years but they did a great job together with LVG of course bringing some exciting talents and they also gave the chance to our old players and to our youth too.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, if Mou walks in, that's our board acting to keep us at the top. A shit board would let this go on for years. A shit board probably wouldn't have sacked Moyes.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

A shit board lets their title winning club win nothing for 10 years and keeps the same manager throughout...

[–]MalforianMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wenger ... "I am the board!"

[–]designbynuff 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't say there is "nothing" wrong with our board, but I don't think the things people often rant about are big issues.

I do worry that it's not a diverse enough board and that there aren't enough "football people" involved. I worry that the fans' interests aren't represented at board level (even if they meet with representatives regularly), and I worry that some of the good community work the club have always done might dry up with every director being from commerce and finance (back to diversity).

BUT... if we're talking about them not sacking the manager, then yeah, I agree.

[–]OllieUnited18Schneiderlin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Completely agree. Especially on the "not sacking LVG" scenario. We have a lot to lose if we don't make top 4 this season and throwing away our experienced manager amidst an injury crisis would basically confirm that we're throwing the season away.

[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Though despite that I think these past couple of years have been a big eye opener for them

[–]obadetonaHerrera na na naaaa -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Care to explain? I doubt even they would agree.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I explained in a reply to another comment

[–]CalimariaeSolskjaer -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

I do.

The business people to football people ratio is way too high if you look up the members of the board.

[–]MalforianMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Any EPL team got more football people then business?

[–]CalimariaeSolskjaer -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not familiar with the board members of other Premiership clubs.

Bayern for example have footballers and sportspeople on their board.

We have American investment bankers and commercial experts.

[–]bluebeaver123 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

If we don't finish in top 4, I hope we take the Europa league seriously next season and not just play the kids. It is a great opportunity for a European trophy and also, a great gateway for getting into the CL (Though, I hope we qualify through the league top 4 as well)

[–]SpudsMcGugan[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lots of games though for the squad, the squad needs to be much bigger to seriously compete

[–]ZoidbergTheHeroMartial 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think Memphis has been really good when he has played... especially since that game against Midtjylland. I'll agree he has issue's with tracking back, but going forward I think he offers a massive threat. We know he can cut inside but he can constantly puts in really good balls with left bombing down the flank and always tries something different/creative.

[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

The issue is that FC Midtjylland are 4th in the Danish league. People want to see performances against bigger teams.

[–]amishbr07 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He can't really build any momentum with 10 mins match time every week. He needs to play if he's to grow and do well.

[–]sizzlelikeasnail 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm upvoting because I definitely disagree

I think Memphis has been really good when he has played...

Huh?

Memphis has had 45 appearances this season. Of those, 5 (at a push) have been good. He's literally averaging 1 good game every 9 apps. And his only good games have been against poor teams who gave him loads of space.

You and all the people uovoting you are forgetting why he's being benched in the first place.

Sure, he tries to be creative. But what happens is he dribbles straight into people. Even as a sub he's usually been ineffective with the exception of 2 games. One of them being against Leicester.

[–]SarcasticDevilRafael 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd say since Midtjylland he's been pretty good in his showings, not amazing but pretty good. He was bad before that though, like genuinely bad. I'd like to see him get more game time but Martial's sticking around and Lingard is fairly reliable if unspectacular.

So many people seem to have some very extreme opinions on Memphis in both directions, either "he's useless, we should cash in" or "Memphis will be our best player in five years". I prefer to reserve judgement, keep him and see what will happen

[–]LDN2016 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

Valencia, Carrick, Rooney, Fellaini, Rashford and Lingard have all outperformed Darmian, Rojo, Morgan, Ander, Mata and Memphis.

Martial, Shaw and maybe Blind are the only players we've bought that have shown they're good enough for a title winning team.

I think if we listened to most of this sub's opinions about our old guard and academy products we'd be 10th right now instead of 5th.

I still think they need replacing but I'm only willing to move Carrick out of the starting XI if you can bring in someone as good as Modric or Veratti. Not someone as good as Morgan. I'm happy to move Valencia out of the team for Carvajal, not for Darmian. I'm happy to move Lingard out of the team if we buy Griezmann, not to play Memphis. I'm happy to move Rooney on for Kroos or Vidal, not for Ander or Mata.

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I think too many people have a mentality of change for change's sake even if it's not an improvement. I think all of that old guard needs upgrading, I just have much higher standards for what kind of players constitutes an upgrade on them.

[–]arron77 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You really fucking love Lingard, mentioned in most your posts

Do you seriously think we are getting any of Modric, Veratti or Carvajal?

Griezmann is a forward now, not a RW

[–]LDN2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're missing the point. A steady stream of mediocre upgrades that are, if anything, downgrades to what you already have just leaves you in a Liverpool/AC Milan situation.

[–]danskzwag -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thats not really fair as LVG has clear favourites

[–]black_squireMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Clear favourites ?

[–]danskzwag 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I should have added imo. Rooney can have bad games and walk straight back in the team . He can somehow also walk right back in regardless of match fitness. If fellaini has a bad game it doesnt matter if its Mata or Ander they are benched for long periods. You could say were having the same problem right now with Rojo. Its also weird how when Fellaini was coming back after injury he somehow played against liverpool in europa when he was clearly unfit

[–]mu_37Schneiderlin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

why are people downvoting? are you that blind? it takes people like Herrera and more recently Varela,TMF ONE mistake to be benched to oblivion.do you really not see that?

[–]danskzwag 8ポイント9ポイント  (11子コメント)

Fellaini being good in the air is a myth he regularly gets outjumped

[–]doesnt_like_pantsHerrera 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

His heading is pretty shocking for someone his size. It's like he doesn't quite know where to put his head to get the ball to go where he wants it to.

Chest control is insane though as everyone knows.

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    [–]danskzwag 9ポイント10ポイント  (26子コメント)

    Rooney has been just as bad if not worse than mata at 10

    [–]iwillmossonyouRooney 5ポイント6ポイント  (22子コメント)

    how? explain this please.

    [–]JayDevilK1993 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Rooney is kind of homeless at the moment in that he was displaced at ST in favour of Martial, then displaced by mata / lingard et. al at 10 and now resides at CM so he can play. It's fine for now due to limited options, but if that position is addressed next window where does he play? Perhaps Smallings new partner?

    [–]danskzwag 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    One thing this season has taught me is rooney always wins

    [–]JayDevilK1993 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    lol i learnt that after he was benched by Ferguson then not long after got a new contract and the armband.

    [–]itsandercontrolDarmian 14ポイント15ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Memphis is massively overrated by this sub. Lingard has played better than him for the past couple of months and should rightfully keep Memphis out the team.

    [–]asparagus_p 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think the point is that he hasn't settled yet, not that he's overrated. I don't think we are in a position to rate him yet, because we haven't seen him at his best.

    He was fantastic in the Dutch league and obviously has a lot of talent. Let's judge him after another season or two. Comparing him to Lingard is somewhat unfair because Lingard is a local boy who has grown up in the club. Big difference.

    [–]danskzwag -1ポイント0ポイント  (9子コメント)

    How can you say that when Memphis hasnt played?

    [–]itsandercontrolDarmian 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Ok, whenever Memphis has played, he has been average or a liability. Only good games recently have been Midjytland and Arsenal. Other than that, average or poor, at least Lingard is consistently average and isn't a liability. I like Memphis and I don't think he should be sold but I see why Lingard has been constantly chosen over him.

    [–]Huge_Bob_Ross_Fan 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Lingard has been consistent, and to be honest he's put in some great performances. He constantly looks to get on the ball and create chances, his linkplay has been good. His main issue is his crossing, which is horrendous. I agree with you.

    [–]danskzwag -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

    its not fair to judge a player when come on to play 10-15 minutes when were losing, Lingard and Depay are equally rash when defending imo , memphis had a good few games and then he got dropped.

    [–]LDN2016 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

    The manager's given Memphis way more chances than he deserves. 42 matches, 26 as a starter.

    I've never seen a forward at United play worse than him and get this much game time.

    [–]danskzwag -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Where have you found that stat also my point still stands

    [–]sizzlelikeasnail 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    http://www.espnfc.co.uk/player/159255/memphis-depay

    It's actually slightly worse. 45 apps. 28 of them being starts. And a total of roughly 5 good games. All against dreadful defenses. Lingard hasn't been anywhere near as bad

    [–]danskzwag 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Lingard is extremely wasteful and Depay has been played out of position

    [–]sizzlelikeasnail 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    1. Regardless of whatever your opinions on Lingard are, the issue is Memphis has been worse. Memphis is literally averaging 1 good game every 9 appearances. All the good games against shit defenses.

    2. If anything, it's the other way around? Memphis is a winger. But most of his games on the wing were wank. Lingard is a CAM being made to play RW because of how dodgy mata is when he plays there

    [–]StannisJrScholesy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Because Memphis hasn't justified a starting place.

    [–]jazavchar 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Watching the EL game, and fuck, I absolutely love the way Liverpool are playing...

    [–]mu_37Schneiderlin 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    In the space of 6 months Klopp has taken Liverpool to 2 Finals,but transition needs 2 years and more than 10 new signings just to play decent football according to some.

    [–]StannisJrScholesy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Mate, it's a process.

    [–]thesmokethatthundersBeckham 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's too hit or miss for me. I like their pressing and think it's very valuable, I just have my doubts on their ability to do it for a full season. But their directness in attack is a quality I wish we possessed more off.

    [–]TheRoonaissance 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We'd have to phase out Rooney, Fellaini, Carrick or Schweinsteiger amongst others.

    Liverpool are on the way up, will seriously challenge next year if they add quality depth.

    [–]danskzwag 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Bastian is more of a leader than Rooney

    [–]TudoorsYoung -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There's unpopular then there's wrong.

    [–]NGU-BenSchweinsteiger 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Old Trafford while visually impressive, is shit. The atmosphere is shit and we have too many half and half scarf wearing, prawn sandwich eating people ruining the atmosphere. Something needs to be done to bring it back to locals and make the atmosphere better.

    I'll give an example, I take a bus to every game to Old Trafford, the bus is mostly older people who can afford a season ticket. Then, I took the same bus down to Wembley and there were completely different people, people I never saw before. Most of them find it a) too expensive to buy a season ticket b) Old Trafford to be shit so they only attend away games to be 'amongst it.' So many people are priced out and no one these days cares about fans, it makes me sick and gives me second thoughts on giving money to the Glazers. That's not to say they are the only ones however.

    [–]JamieD86 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Not a local, the last time I went to a game was in Dec 2013, against Everton. I have been there a LOT over the years but that night in particular was just, bad. It was the first time I was ever sat in the East Stand, and it was absolutely terrible. I'm not sure if it's always this way but it really stood out to me and a friend who came with me just how weird the atmosphere was.

    It wasn't even that many people weren't chanting (a few of us were), it was even worse.. there seemed to be a strange reaction when we were chanting. One asshole in particular had me in a really shit mood by the second half cause maybe 10-15 people relatively close to where we were would chant, including me, and sure compared to the hundreds of everton fans belting it out up to our left we weren't making much noise but at least we were fucking trying.. and this bellend of a kid (early 20s) kept looking right back at me whenever I started chanting. It wasn't just that he was looking back it's that he had this weird look on his face... like "Why is that Irish guy singing United songs?". Meanwhile, he and his friends were silent ALL game!

    But ye, I have to admit I had a voice inside my head telling me to confront him over and over again, but saner thoughts prevailed.

    But ye, it was weird sitting there. Just before kick off for example, the Everton fans started belting out a chant and I looked up sort of expecting to see some reaction from our lot in the stand, and while some were giving it back, there were actually people taking photos of.. and recording.. the Everton fans...

    Look I know they are scousers... BUT IT'S NOT A FUCKING ZOO! ;-)

    But ye... it's amazing.. I felt uncomfortable getting involved in some United chants... at Old Trafford... it genuinely was a weird experience.. and we fucking lost too! Haven't been back since though that's mostly because I haven't had much free time to get away.. I hope things get better.

    [–]NGU-BenSchweinsteiger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I felt uncomfortable getting involved in some United chants

    It's exactly that for me, I'm in between two big lads who hardly move all game, slumped in their seat (can't stand, obviously) and I'm the only one ready to belt something out. It's painful.

    [–]keesmaatMemphis 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    i still think Jones can develop into a great centre back for United

    [–]asparagus_p 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think he'll make a great right back on the treatment table.

    [–]knuffen 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I dont want Jose Mourinho, I rather have LvG for a 3rd year and I like how our team has been playing lately.

    [–]danskzwag 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Rojo seems like the argentine phil jones rash injury prone and a poor full back

    [–]LDN2016 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I've never seen him put in a performance as high as peak Jones and I'm not a fan of Jones at all.

    Even at his best, Rojo looks bang average.

    [–]danskzwag -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Peak jones was a while back imo, rojo is jones without the athleticism he had a alright 1st season as a ball playing cb but hes been shit this season.

    [–]LDN2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    rojo is jones without the athleticism

    exactly.

    [–]danskzwag 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Our most senior players like Carrick and Rooney have been our worst

    [–]Huge_Bob_Ross_Fan 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    2016 Rooney has been one of our best players, he's been quality on the ball. Earlier on in the season he was awful, but I think the change in system has helped a lot.

    Carrick has been poor in some games, but he played very well against Arsenal and Man City. I think we need to look for a proper replacement for him, but I disagree with the notion he has been one of our worst players.

    [–]danskzwag 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I disagree in midfield he is average and just plays the same cross field ball he doesnt have the positioning and we have better players in that position. Carrick leg have completely gone he is so bad defensively and his attacking passing has been ok but nothing special

    [–]Stilkonwheels 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    TFM should not currently be starting for us, his positional awareness is at times shocking and will be exploited against better teams.

    Memphis is not going to perform well under Mourinho, hes not the type of player mou prefers.

    De Gea is leaving in the summer and we're going to be scrambling for a replacement.

    [–]YoungJumpWazza[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Where's De Gea gonna go though if not Real? If it's Real we weren't really scrambling for a replacement, Navas would've been a great keeper for us

    [–]IchDienSchweinsteiger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Whatever happened last summer has no bearing on this summer. Now de Gea has a multi-year contract and a buyout clause he will be considerably more expensive for Real, and I can't see Florentino Perez wanting to give us Keylor so easily given how salty he must be about the fax machine. We can't just assume the same deal will be on the cards.

    [–]OllieUnited18Schneiderlin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Upvoted for a very unpopular opinion.

    [–]murica_sauceVidić 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    The downvote button is supposed to be used when a comment doesn't add to the discussion. It is not intended to be used when you personally disagree with the opinion posted.

    [–]StannisJrScholesy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    To be fair that's the case all over reddit.

    [–]LevynXSchmeichel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    https://np.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/4h6y6g/this_makes_me_so_mad/d2o3up6

    [–]asparagus_p 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Totally agree with you, but it's a losing battle I'm afraid. It's a problem all over Reddit, but subs like these where there tends to be a lot of agreement and disagreement almost always devolve into a agree/disagree voting fest.

    [–]jonnyshHerrera 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't think the club needs a massive talent injection. I think the only kind of buy we should be doing is replacing players that we sell.

    On that note, I think Mata needs to be sold.

    [–]danskzwag 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Rooney is a a bang average midfielder

    [–]WhovianMoakSchweinsteiger 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I can't say I completely agree. But I think he is an far above average captain. I think his leadership on the pitch is really important. And he does some things, like tracking back to save our asses on defense, far better than the other options there. If he plays next season like he has in 2016, I will be happy to see him in that role.

    [–]danskzwag 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I disagree with this leadership stuff we have Bastian for that. Where were all our leaders under moyes when there were dressing room and team leaks. His tracking back isnt as effective as Morgan and he does jog a fair bit and isnt exactly a ball winner.

    [–]WhovianMoakSchweinsteiger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I didn't downvote you, but I do disagree. Leadership isn't "stuff" in team sports. Its little important shit. He has the respect of the players on and off the pitch. He is the first one to get on the kids for being out of position, making mental mistakes, and getting over emotional with the refs. He knows all of the refs and spends 90 minutes in there ears every weekend lobbying on our behalf. Bastian was one of my favorite players before he got here, but he doesn't fill that role for us.

    [–]JayDevilK1993 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Im interested to know what you think makes him an above average captain. I agree with the tracking back part he does like to put himself about; but regarding leadership; one could argue that it's in the job description for a captain so leadership is kind of a prerequisite, particularly within a top team. If we bring in a CM in the summer, what do you want for Rooney going forward?

    [–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 2ポイント3ポイント  (17子コメント)

    Memphis shouldn't be sold this Summer. I know he's had an underwhelming year but I really think he needs more time. He clearly has talent. We need more patience with youth.

    [–]yiyiyiyiHerrera 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Selling him would be nuts. You might as well give him another year to see if he can kick on. If he does then we've potentially got a world class player. If he doesn't we don't lose anything by keeping him a year.

    [–]knoxisbackDe Gea 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    This isn't unpopular, more 50-50.

    [–]AveLuciferGiggsy! 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    So it's unpopular with 50% of people.

    [–]knoxisbackDe Gea 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No, it's controversial. An unpopular opinions thread is one where people post things that aren't supported by a majority of supporters, which isn't the case.

    [–]shinkag 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It's not even 50-50, who wants Memphis sold in the summer? A few morons here and there on this sub but the general consensus is keep him. Not like it even matters what we think, I'm willing to bet my right arm he won't be sold. What kind of club sells a 22 year old winger after one season anyways? Especially considering we'll be losing money on him anyways, can't see any club offering more than £15m on him.

    [–]knoxisbackDe Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah true. Maddening how ppl think one season translates to overall success.

    [–]jbiresqHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

    On the other hand, I believe if we get a good offer for him he'll go.

    [–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

    What's a good offer to you? United aren't a selling club. Whether a player is sold or not isn't decided by the size of the offer as much as with other clubs. (Ronaldo the exception)

    [–]LDN2016 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm happy to sell him if:

    (i) we make break even AND

    (ii) reinvest the money in a better forward, young or already established e.g. if Memphis money goes to buy Dembele or towards a bid for James/Griezmann.

    .

    Do not want to sell him to make squad space for an academy player or pick up someone mediocre like Sadio Mane.

    [–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Why on earth would Griezman join us. Where has this come from? Griezman isn't leaving Atletico.

    [–]jbiresqHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I mean if someone offers close to what we paid so we could recoup the investment. I just feel there's something beneath the surface we're not hearing about. But, I don't think that offer will come in so he'll stay.

    [–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I just feel there's something beneath the surface we're not hearing about.

    I've been gutted to see his name on the bench as much as it has been this year. I'd have wanted him to start over Lingard more than he has done, even if it means playing on the right.

    [–]JayDevilK1993 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    the fact that this could actually constitute an unpopular opinion is mind blowing. He hasn't even been that bad. I just don't understand the logic behind selling him already.

    [–]K-QuickGeorge Best 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This really shouldn't be unpopular. Anyone who wants him sold right now is an idiot.

    [–]arron77 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think Memphis has been pure shit but agree he needs another season and most think the same

    [–]OllieUnited18Schneiderlin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He was highly touted as one of the best young players in Europe last season. Any team with half a brain would keep him and let him develop. Some players adapt instantly to the prem (Hazard, Martial, Mahrez) and some take time to groom. I still think he'll be great

    [–]TanqPhilWoodward! 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Constantly posting that United, owners to boards to Woodward to manager to players, are absolute shit in every thread on this sub does not make United better. It drives supporters away and shows immaturity/spoiled attitude/lack of perspective.

    If your opinion is based on newspaper articles, you are a complete and utter fool who does not understand advertizing.

    A significant percentage of posters (more importantly upvoters) are not United supporters, but instead ABUs spoiling threads. United fans could not possibly hate United that much. " If I bitch enough on Reddit, United will win faster!" No, it pisses off real supporters...kill yourself, prick.

    3 fucking years on Reddit, only 6000 karma, obviously I don't give a single fuck about downvotes. Come at me, assholes.

    [–]IchDienSchweinsteiger 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    A significant percentage of posters (more importantly upvoters) are not United supporters, but instead ABUs spoiling threads.

    You think ABU's actually care enough to do that? And besides, any effect other communities have on this subreddit is minimal compared to the effect we can have on theirs, because ours is the largest and therefore has the most brigadier 12 year olds according the law of averages...

    Should've seen the West Ham subreddit after the FA Cup 1/4 final.. people from this sub made that place a shit-show.

    [–]TanqPhilWoodward! 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Yeah, I do believe it. Hang out in /new/ and watch the most toxic posts and comments get the upvotes. Yes, we have a gang of negative idiots who upvote each other (most regulars know who they are, it is obvious), but some things seem too obvious to be United fans. WUMs abound.

    [–]IchDienSchweinsteiger -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    The stuff that is actually toxic gets deleted. As for everything else, there is no one thing you can post in this subreddit right now that will garner 100% support. The sub is completely polarised over players and managers and the conflict is simply getting worse.

    we have a gang of negative idiots who upvote each other (most regulars know who they are, it is obvious)

    And people in this gang would say there is a separate gang of deluded morons upvoting each other's posts. This subreddit is a collision of echo chambers. It's a case of which side shouts the loudest in any given thread, which is why those were banned for the time being.

    As for your hypothesis, ockhams razor.

    [–]TanqPhilWoodward! 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The stuff that is actually toxic gets deleted

    I guess I imagined the post about throwing a petrol bomb in LVG's pancake face.

    I already vented my frustration. Anyone who cares can watch the posting pattern in any thread that mentions LVG in the title or talks positively about the club. Watch the first negative reply, who replies to that, and then new top level posts. It is not organic and the pattern is repetitive.

    [–]IchDienSchweinsteiger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I guess I imagined the post about throwing a petrol bomb in LVG's pancake face.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/search?q=petrol+bomb&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=year

    Must have gotten deleted. The mods are only human and cannot be expected to respond to quick time to things posted in the lull between match days.

    Anyone who cares can watch the posting pattern in any thread that mentions LVG in the title or talks positively about the club. Watch the first negative reply, who replies to that, and then new top level posts. It is not organic and the pattern is repetitive.

    Because there are a lot of people who have opinions different to yours. It is only your interpretation of what they say that causes you to see "patterns". Accusing them of being fans of other clubs trying to sabotage the sub-reddit relies on a bunch of ridiculous assumptions about them as people. You seem completely unwilling to answer this point.

    [–]Surfacing710Keane 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Agree with a lot of what you say but you talk about how comments in this sub show immaturity and then you say, "kill yourself, prick."

    Maybe need to practice what you preach because there's no need for that.

    [–]TanqPhilWoodward! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, you win. Frustration got the better of me.

    [–]mapguyAs Tony Martial scores again 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The opinion of Fellaini in this sub seems to have shifted recently, but I still don't want him at United. I think he brings a limited amount of skill to team, none of which should grant him starting over others. He intentionally elbows people, and a lot of his supporters in here conveniently over look that. If it was Costa or Vardy doing that shit nearly every game, we would all being calling him names. He's a bang average player with a lot of dirty fouls in him. I hope he gets sold this summer.

    [–]StannisJrScholesy 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Seeing what Klopp has done for Liverpool, and Poch for Spurs, I don't think our squad isn't as average as a lot of people make it out to be.

    Might not be an unpopular opinion but wanted to get it off my chest anyway.

    [–]IchDienSchweinsteiger 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    We could have won the league this year. Us having the slimmest chance out of all the top 5, but still a tiny chance.

    [–]StannisJrScholesy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I think with a more forward thinking manager who isn't stubborn in their ways, we could have done a lot more this season.

    I think most people on this sub would think that our squad is better, not by much though than Liverpool's squad. So is scraping for fourth really the best this squad can do in a season where all the big teams have failed? Imagine if Klopp had our squad, I reckon he would have gotten us out that CL group, and we would be at least a position higher in the league right now.

    The man has gotten that Liverpool squad into two finals this season. Nothing short of brilliant considering he beat BvB over two legs. I don't think LVG could have done what Klopp has with Liverpool's squad.

    [–]IchDienSchweinsteiger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree. It's not a case of LvG ruining this club like some would say (or like I said in january probably..), I just can't see the guy doing much better than this.

    [–]Allard1994Blind for Ballon d'Or -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It isnt. We just need a superstar. We dont have that. Spurs have Eriksen, Kane, Alli.

    Liverpool have... I cant think of any honestly.

    We need a James, Griezman, Bale. Heck even Zlatan.

    [–]gidmcscruff 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't like the fact everyone's so convinced mourinho can come in and lift us a title immediately. Even more so I dislike the posts saying "Mourinho will work perfectly with this signing...." Or "Mourinho won't like so and so..."

    [–]ReflectingGodMata 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't particularly care if we miss out on top 4. It'd be nice to knock City out of the CL places but tbh, I want us to win trophies and next season with Mou in charge, we'll be no doubt favorites for the EL. Its the one trophy we haven't won and we've seen Dortmund benefit from it a lot this season being able to play much weaker teams in the earlier rounds which has allowed them to keep competitive in the league. We're nowhere near contenders for the CL right now and one summer won't change that. On top of that, its a great stage for younger players like Rashford, Sanches, Timbo and co to shine who probably won't be getting regular minutes in the league right off the bat.

    Will it affect who we can sign? Potentially however right now the names being floated around shouldn't be to much of an issue to acquire, CL or not. Having Mou and Mendez is massive in getting the likes of Gomes and James. The only player I'd be worried about off the top of my head is Marquinhos who may prefer a move to Arsenal if they came knocking though will Arsenal pay the silly fee required? Likely not.

    tl:dr missing out on top 4 may be blessing in disguise

    [–]GGMU1992Sir Alex 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The actions that we take this summer will impact the foreseeable future of our football club. If we stand with and accept mediocrity, it will create rippling effects through the course of our future. Quality player acquisition will stagnate. The value of the brand will decrease. We will fall behind in an era where BPL finances are making it easier for lesser clubs to rise. We either show the football world now that we do not stand for mediocrity and we are a big club, or we inevitably stagnate in the mediocrity that we apparently endorse.

    With the financial balance arriving in the EPL, we will dwindle away if action isn't taken this summer. Liverpool are going to win Europa and get a Champions League spot. They have a manager that everyone in world football respects, most notably the players that love his style of play. If I am a footballer, there is very little reason why I would choose to play for a Man United that is run by Louis van Gaal in 2017 instead of the likes of City, Liverpool, etc. Bringing in Jose Mourinho would give us a reinvigorated swagger. A confidence for the future with a display of intent that we want to get back to the top. If this happens, we may be able to revive the state of our club. If we stick to Louis van Gaal, we dont know the next time a manager of Mourinho's stature will be available. Its exactly what we need, and if we dont take it, then we have shown our hand. A hand that promotes mid table acceptance.

    [–]YoungJumpWazza[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That isn't so unpopular, though?

    [–]TheFoz92 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Rashford. He seems a bit lazy. It could just be nervousness, but you'd think it'd wear off when you play regularly for the first team.

    [–]asparagus_p 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hey everyone, this comment is definitely unpopular!

    I don't think he's lazy at all. He's still learning and he's probably also under quite strict instructions from LVG.

    [–]mkahmed789Manchester United[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    i am fine with LVG staying and rejecting Mourinho, even if we dont get top 4 as long as his summer plans are fine.

    [–]OrcnickThe 3 R's -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I think we should cash in on lingard in the summer. He's had great season and I cannot fault his commitment and love for the club. But he's a replaceable player and we need someone with more quality. He's reminds a bit of welbeck, lots of hard working but he was not quite united quality.

    Of course I am always open to be proven wrong but I just don't see a future for him as any more then a bench player once a better RM joins :/

    [–]murica_sauceVidić 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think we should cash in on lingard

    1. Do you think we would be paid enough for him to make this worth it?
    2. Do you think we have the squad depth to cut someone who is a decent squad player?
    3. To follow-up to question 2, would you rather sell him than keep him (if not for longer, than for another season) as a squad player behind a 'better' signing - to give the new signing time to adjust to the EPL, and to see if his development continues?

    [–]Surfacing710Keane 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I can't really see why we should cash in on a player? Not exactly like we need money.

    I don't think he's good enough to start for us but to be a successful team, you need to have a good squad which Lingard would be good for. Players like Blomquist, O' Shea, Berg, while not great, were highly valued to the team in the grand scheme of things.

    [–]thesmokethatthundersBeckham 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I mean I don't think we'd "cash" in much for him tbh. He's not that young any more and was never considered a high ceiling player. He's dedicated to United so wouldn't mind him staying as a squad player. He shows dedication to close down and track back and his pace and ability to spread out defenses could be useful as a sub.

    [–]IchDienSchweinsteiger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If we don't buy a star RW then we still have lingard as a fall-back. If we do buy a star RW then we have a bit more squad depth for injury cover. As it stands the wage bill isn't too horrific and we do not need the cash injection by way of fee. Can only see him leaving this club if he wants to. (which is not beyond possibility, I'll grant you)

    [–]colucci -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    LVG should stay for the third year of his contract.

    Can Mourinho do any better than LVG given the current circumstances? The injuries and the shit squad would have been a big challenge to any manager, bar SAF. Who are the competent players we have in the central midfield? Schneiderlin, Carrick, and Schweinsteiger. Fellaini is more of a number 10, and he is inconsistent. Schneiderlin is an excellent player. Carrick is old. Schweinsteiger is old and injury prone. We pretty much have no robust central midfielders. If you look at any of the teams that perform well in the UCL - Juve, Munich, Madrid - you will see that they all have a core of very strong, technical and experienced midfielders that can dictate the game. I'll beat a dead horse, but we haven't had that since Scholes. Schneiderlin is a great addition and a step in the right direction, but we need more than just one good midfield signing.

    So really, if we are going to go and spend money on midfielders, I think we might as well keep LVG. I reckon he can do a better job than Mourinho.

    In any case, I want to point out that I'm not happy with the season and LVG's performance, but I think it is down more to what players we have than the manager himself.

    [–]KeKaRoNiJanuzaj -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I like Fellaini.

    Is that unpopular even after Everton?

    [–]KoreanMeatballsVan Nistelrooy -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Smalling is no where near world class. Benefited massively this season from being in such a defensive side.

    [–]danskzwag -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Is rooney being handled badly by utd and england? I think given how early he started playing and how much games hes played shouldn't he be on a separate regime