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Some old, but interesting, comments from Philipp Lahm (self.reddevils)

AlpacamyLlama が 投稿

"Lahm believes van Gaal had “high expectations.” But, he argues, the coach was unwilling to budge from his philosophies and or try new things. Under him, defender Lahm writes, Bayern Munich neglected defence and focused on scoring as many goals as possible.

On many occasions, Lahm says he spoke with van Gaal about the situation. But, he said the coach pretended to listen, then seemed to ignore him.

Also,

Bayern Munich skipper Philipp Lahm is not shocked by the news that head coach Louis van Gaal will leave the club at the end of the season and made it clear that FCB simply can't afford a season without success.

"That is the way things are when you are at Bayern - if you are not successful, then you have to face the consequences and I think that is absolutely right," Lahm was quoted as saying by Bild.

"Bayern have the aim to be the number one all the time and always win titles. If that does not happen, then questions are asked of everything and that is what has happened this season."

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[–]FlytanxLVG 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

And this is why Bayern is the best run club in the world.

-injects youth -buys players to fill gaps -board puts football above money making (in turn it makes them money) -won't settle for bs managers who constantly fail

[–]MylesVEGiggs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Any German worth his salt will sign for them. Any player that breaks through in the German league they normally have already sniffed around at. Et cetera

[–]elneebreMata 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The board can't settle for mediocrity just because money is coming in

[–]black_squireMartial 6ポイント7ポイント  (38子コメント)

Lahm says it was the Dutchman who kickstarted Bayern's recent success at home and abroad.

"He introduced a clearer focus on tactics and our modern style was born."

"He's a real hard worker. it's difficult to go right into the smallest details of tactics but Van Gaal is willing to. Not everyone liked it, but I love tactics, so it was interesting to me."

"Van Gaal would admit to making mistakes here - or maybe not - but he was the right man at the right time for Bayern."

"Louis van Gaal can be credited for implementing a playing philosophy, which made us very successful in the first season,"

All from the same Phillip Lahm.

Bonus: "Many players, including myself, can be very grateful to him," Robben told German magazine Sport-Bild. "For me, he is still one of the best coaches in the world."

EDIT: you lot on this sub are absolutely pathetic. You'd gobble anything that fits your narrative. I've just given you quotes from the exact same Lahm that reflect positively on LVG, but you'll downvote it because it doesn't fit your narrative that he's a shit manager.

2 world class players giving him credit for the work he did with them but you take the bias twisted version of a Reddit user. What a load shit. You lot aren't interested in facts. Pathetic

[–]AlpacamyLlama[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

Oh absolutely. There is no doubt Lahm credits him for the start of Bayern having a new tactical approach. But it's also made clear by him, as well as others, that it wasn't until Heynckes came in that Bayern truly kicked on.

It's not uncommon for players to be enthralled with new managers, but it seems Lahm definitely knew that van Gaal was restricted in what he could do.

[–]manudevil7Beckham 3ポイント4ポイント  (16子コメント)

Someone said it best in another thread:

"LvG is right when he says we are in a transition, however, his part of the transition phase is over."

I believe that rings true with Lahm's comments as well. He came in and stabilized Bayern, but after that, it was time to move on. Bayern appointed Heynckes, and the rest is history.

I believe we're also in a similar situation. He came in and stabilized the club, at least as much as possible after Moyes, and now it's time for a serial winner to come in and take us to the next level.

[–]black_squireMartial -3ポイント-2ポイント  (15子コメント)

He more than stabilized that team. He took them to their first CL final in ages. He brought them into modern football. That's not just a transition thing. He laid a hell of a foundation and probably would have done more had he not got into a pissing contest with Uli Hoeness

[–]manudevil7Beckham 4ポイント5ポイント  (14子コメント)

When I said stabilize, I meant in reference to what Klinsmann left.

LvG has done as much as he can here, and it's time for him to leave in the summer. He introduced some great youth prospects, signed Martial, and signed Memphis (remains to be seen if he can do better next season).

He has set the foundation for the next manager to build on. Unfortunately for him, the results have not been there. At the end of the day, football is a results business.

It's time for us to bring in someone who can get results immediately. Although it's not guaranteed, Jose Mourinho is the closest thing to guarantee immediate results as they come.

[–]black_squireMartial -4ポイント-3ポイント  (13子コメント)

Lol yet he's gotten better results than Mourinho did with a much better squad.

Aside from a poor December run, were 2nd in the league behind Leicester only. But go on. I really don't care. I'll just keep sharing these facts.

[–]manudevil7Beckham 3ポイント4ポイント  (12子コメント)

Mourinho wanted to sign players in the summer, but the board refused. He wanted to sign players like Shaw, Martial, Sanches, etc, but he couldn't, since Chelsea's financial strength is nowhere near that of United's.

All squads need adjustments after winning the league. Barcelona needed to bring in additional players this past summer after winning the treble. Everyone needs to sign new players.

[–]StannisJrScholesy 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's no point mate. If LVG was a serial killer black_squire would still somehow find excuses for him.

[–]manudevil7Beckham 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Refuses to acknowledge any of LvG's shortcomings and has a million and one excuses lined up for LvG.

[–]black_squireMartial -4ポイント-3ポイント  (9子コメント)

To a fucking league winning team. A team that has lost just 2 League game since he got fired. We performed better than them with a newly put together team. I don't care what Mourinho wanted. LVG also wanted a CB, a pacy and creative winger and another striker. Got none and has brought his team thus far even through an injury crises. Mourinho couldn't get a title winning team to win more than 5 games by December. How do you even attempt to rationalize that ?

[–]manudevil7Beckham 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Every team needs to bring in signings. There are always way to strengthen a side. Why would Barcelona sign players after winning a treble last season? They need to make adjustments. Mourinho wanted to do the same, but he did not receive the funds from the board.

[–]black_squireMartial -3ポイント-2ポイント  (7子コメント)

That Chelsea team without any new signings has way more quality than we do. There is no excuse to not be able to manage decent performances with that team.

You'll say I defend LVG but this is awful. For you to even pretend that the results Mourinho got from that team was remotely appropriate for the quality he had, haha that's laughable. They had just won the league FFS

[–]manudevil7Beckham -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

That Chelsea team without any new signings has way more quality than we do. There is no excuse to not be able to manage decent performances with that team.

That can be said about all the top clubs in England. Manchester City, Chelsea, United, etc all have better quality then Leicester. City have the best players, yet they have been underwhelming in the league. Therefore, they are replacing their manager. He brought them a Capital One cup, and he brought them to the semi-final of the UCL.

Chelsea are brining in a new manager as well, Conte.

United have more quality than Leicester, yet we're fighting for fourth, and we are only a point above West Ham. LvG has not brought us one trophy, yet, he was a disaster in the UCL, and we may not have UCL next season (therefore, we have regressed).

So, why should he keep his job when the other clubs are replacing their managers? He shouldn't.

[–]jbiresqHerrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (13子コメント)

he was the right man at the right time for Bayern

That makes a lot of sense and he did stabilize them and bring them success after the Klinsmann debacle. Which is what I think most people give LVG credit for at United. But Bayern realized when it was time to move on to someone better.

[–]black_squireMartial -4ポイント-3ポイント  (12子コメント)

You mean right after they gave him a contract extension ? You realize he'd signed an extension before he got in a piss contest with Uli Hoeness and got fired. He wasn't moved on because he was limited. That was what Uli came out and said but wasn't the case. Nothing changed between when he got his contract extension and when he got fired other than his fight with Uli Hoeness

[–]jbiresqHerrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

He got his contract extension at the beginning of his second season. After the season went to shit, they announced he'd leave a year early. They then sacked him when he lost third place in the Bundesliga. So performances warranted him being sacked regardless of whether him and Uli Hoeness were fighting.

Here's a whole list of his failings at Bayern: http://www.si.com/more-sports/2011/04/14/vangaal-bayern

[–]black_squireMartial -2ポイント-1ポイント  (10子コメント)

Van Gaal and Uli started fighting in November. Losing 3rd was just an excuse. They had a poor start to the season because 9 of their important players were in the World Cup for quite some time.

[–]jbiresqHerrera 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

He also pissed off Rummenigge and Nerlinger. He wouldn't listen to advice. He fell out with Mark van Bommel and sold him with 6 months left on this contract despite him being an important voice in the dressing room. He didn't want to strengthen the squad. Why are you excusing him so much?

[–]black_squireMartial -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not excusing him. I'm providing facts that are conveniently missing from most people's account of these stories.

What does selling Van Bommel who had a voice have to do with anything ? Lahm was his captain.

I won't deny the man is stubborn. But you can't just chuck him aside and say he did nothing good when Lahm himself said he brought Bayern into modern football and Robben says himself and several players have him to thank for what they are. That's not for nothing.

[–]manudevil7Beckham 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

He's also had similar issues during his second tenure at Barcelona. He mightily struggled in La Liga, dragged them to 12th (because they struggled to beat lower teams, like Real Vallecano, sound familiar?). He was 20 points behind Real Sociedad when he was sacked.

His transfers failed, too. Players like Enke and Mendieta. He fell out with Rivaldo (sound familiar), let him go for free, he joined AC Milan, and won the UCL during the same season.

[–]black_squireMartial -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

He was brought in the second time after a poor showing from Barca over the last few years. He was tasked to rebuild a team. Never allowed to complete his job and was fired halfway through his time. That team never recovered for another 3 years after LVG left. It wasn't just him. It was the team he had to deal with.

We can keep arguing this all day. But what you'll never say is he never succeeded at a club he managed. You'll never be able to say he didn't take Bayern closest to their first Treble ever in 2010 before losing in the CL finals. You won't be able to discredit the slew of players that credit their careers to his diligence and faith in them. You won't be able to discredit the fact that Lahm himself believes LVG is to be credited for bringing Bayern into modern football.

[–]AlpacamyLlama[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

He was brought in the second time after a poor showing from Barca over the last few years. He was tasked to rebuild a team. >Never allowed to complete his job and was fired halfway through his time. That team never recovered for another 3 years after LVG left. It wasn't just him. It was the team he had to deal with.

So we can dispel any notions that van Gaal laid the foundations for Barcelona's future success then?

[–]black_squireMartial -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Because he wasn't allowed to finish doesn't mean he didn't do anything. What are you talking about ? How is that dispelling the notion when the players themselves have said this ?

[–]AlpacamyLlama[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think some people confuse giving debuts to players who would become world class talents the same as laying the foundations of a club.

[–]GGMU1992Sir Alex -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've said in the recent past that I think LvG will go down as a managerial legend when it is all said and done. I absolutely believe he is a fantastic manager, but he is NOT a good fit for us. He needs to go as soon as possible.

[–]AlpacamyLlama[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

His work at Ajax was undeniably some of the best of all time. Of that there can be no doubt.

[–]apparex1234Dave Saves 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

neglected defense and focused on scoring as many goals as possible.

He did the same thing in his first spell at Barca. They won the league conceding a record 56 goals. What happened to him now?