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[–]FlexibleToast 45ポイント46ポイント  (58子コメント)

He isn't exactly a threat to your life anymore if he is already at your fence line running away...

[–]DammitDan 25ポイント26ポイント  (39子コメント)

Until he comes back. Or goes to another house, where he'll threaten someone else's life. Fuck that guy.

[–]Big_Cums 19ポイント20ポイント  (9子コメント)

That might be true, but unless the state has firm "stand your ground" protection you're risking a lot.

You also can't shoot someone who is no longer a direct threat to you because they might become a threat to you or someone else later. It's a right now thing.

[–]theediblecomplex 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

Depends on what state you're in, buddy. You can shoot to prevent a burglar from getting away in some places.

[–]Big_Cums -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

Which is what I said, buddy.

[–]theediblecomplex 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

No it isn't, friend. This extends beyond "stand your ground" laws.

[–]Big_Cums -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Except it doesn't. Read a book.

[–]theediblecomplex 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Please show any text saying that "stand your ground" includes shooting a fleeing burglar. Stand your ground is strictly for self-defense cases, not protection of property.

States like Alabama and Texas allow a person to shoot a fleeing robber to protect property. That is what you misunderstood in your original statement.

[–]That_one_guy2013 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

If someone is in my house in the middle of the night threatening to kill me, best believe they're getting shot even if they're running. He could be running to his car to get a gun or something.

[–]SprungMS 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

Problem is (at least in my stand-your-ground state) if you shoot an intruder in the back, even if they've got a gun, you're going to jail. It's not justified if the imminent threat has passed, which is indicated by the intruder turning to run. On the other hand, if I so much as hear someone trying to turn my doorknob, I can unload a magazine through the door and kill them and it's totally legal.

[–]Fishing_Dude 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Flip him over put one in his face /s

[–]CaptainAmerican 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

So he could just turn with the full intention of turning back around and it goes from defense to homicide?

[–]djragemuffin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was running to cover to fire on me. Back shot justified.

[–]AthleticsSharts 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Careful. My grandmother was drunk one evening and plugged my granddad in the shoulder with a .38 when he came home from work and she thought it was a burglar.

[–]theediblecomplex 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In some states it's legal to shoot a burglar to prevent them from escaping. Texas, for example. It's still not advisable to do that, though.

[–]FlexibleToast 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why would he come back? He got shot at. He would find an easier target.

[–]DammitDan 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

And you don't have a problem with him finding an easier target? He shouldn't be finding targets period. He should be finding gainful employment.

[–]FlexibleToast 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course having him find a proper job is ideal. But murdering him is not the solution. If the kid would have shot him as his life was being threatened, it would have been totally justifiable. As soon as the guy was running away from the house, he was no longer a threat to the kid's life.

[–]TheSlothBreeder -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

you cant assume that dumbass. You're qualifying any petty theft as a full blown assault charge, then playing judge and jury by punishing the man with the torturous penalty of being shot.

[–]bobbyvanda 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Wow a B&E is petty theft? He also told the kid he will kill him..

[–]TheSlothBreeder 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

you are right I didn't read that part of the story. But you cannot punish someone for crimes non committed (when he enters someone elses house and does the same as you stated earlier) and you simply cannot shoot a fleeing non threatening person. Do you know what the punishment for battery and theft is in the legal system? Prison. This upgrades the legally justifiable punishment for it to practically torture.

[–]A_Hippie -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

People get charged for intent all the time...

[–]TheSlothBreeder 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

... but there is no clear intent for alleged future crimes yet. It would have been intent if he had said "lol gun go rob some more houses and threaten battery brb", but committing a crime once does not mean the prosecutor gets to drop intent to commit crimes for the next five years on your ass. AND even if they did (they dont) thats a proper legal system of punishment resulting in a sentencing much less severe than being FUCKING SHOT. note that this shooting ended in a leg shot, thats not cause that fat fuck wannabee militia member was aiming for it either. A leg shot is brutal enough, what if this little tard shot somewhere more impairing or even fatal (spine or major organ)? wouldve fucked them both up for life for a threat and robbery.

[–]A_Hippie -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I mean, yeah from a completely legal and political standpoint, I kinda get what you're saying. Still kinda hard to have sympathy for the guy. In my opinion, he willingly risked his safety and potentially his life by breaking and entering, trespassing, and threatening to kill someone. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Yeah I think he lucked out, dude could be dead.

[–]TheSlothBreeder 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

i think its pretty easy to have sympathy for someone like that considering we don't know shit about the circumstances driving them to this shit.

[–]Balmarog 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't think the 11 year old quite grasps the nuances of self defense law yet.

[–]Cantripping 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well it's a good thing he has access to firearms, then.

[–]theediblecomplex 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah because you need to know the law to shoot someone who breaks into your home and threatens to kill a child and his family?

[–]Cantripping -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We already have enough idiots in the world, please don't feel the need to contribute to the problem.

[–]OMGorilla 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unless he's running to a vehicle.

[–]theediblecomplex 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But fuck that guy though. In the full interview they said he had robbed their house before, and was threatening to kill the kid and his mom.

[–]Funslinger -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

You still have a right to defend your property, which the guy was running away with.

[–]hwarming 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dirty clothing?

[–]FlexibleToast -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

Some property is worth taking a life?

[–]Funslinger 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

That's up to the discretion of the home owner. But they're legally justified. You're not required to allow people to steal from you.

[–]EatsButt 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

You are 100% incorrect. Use of deadly force is never legally justified unless there is a threat if great bodily injury to you or someone else.

[–]Funslinger -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That varies by state, sir. But I admire your confidence.

[–]FlexibleToast 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Which is horrible. An eleven year old doesn't exactly have the best decision making skills.

[–]Funslinger 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah I definitely agree on that point. Besides, kid fired 12 shots willynilly, could have hit anything. If I had a gun in the house and I was planning on leaving it in reach of my kid, they'd be a hell of a lot better educated about its purpose and dangers.

[–]FlexibleToast 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

At eleven I don't think you can be well enough educated. How can someone that age be expected to keep their cool in that situation to remember their training. Teaching gun safety and letting them use it in a controlled environment is a fantastic idea. Leaving it where they have access, I don't think so.

[–]Funslinger 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Really it depends on the kid, and how much confidence I have in them. For sure better to err on the side of caution, though.

[–]FlexibleToast 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

At eleven? I don't think it does depend in the kid. Closer to sixteen you enter a gray area.