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Unpopular opinions - May (self.reddevils)

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[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

19 comments, 2 points.

My unpopular opinion is that we should vote on threads that we comment in.

[–]matthew1955 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

For his and our sake, Mata needs to be sold.

[–]YoungJumpWazza[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

100% agree, he's not good enough and at this point he's holding us back. I know he's a great person but he isn't good enough to be starting for us anymore and I wouldn't want him to ride our bench

[–]koba-311 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, we need a better number ten and a right winger if we want to challenge for the title. Mata isn't a impact sub either (the Leicester game as the recent example). He cannot run at tired players like Memphis can or can cause damage like Fellaini with his physicality.

[–]DarmianLVG 25ポイント26ポイント  (8子コメント)

I want Fellaini to stay. Time and time again he has performed when it matters and has won games for us. Sure, his football isn't the prettiest, but in several games he has offered us exactly what we needed.

[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not to mention he really gives a shit about the team. I've never been happier when Fellaini scores. You can see what it means to him to play for United.

[–]DarmianLVG 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. It'll be these passionate players who bring us back to the top.

[–]ijd17Uncle Ant 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually agree with this

[–]LDN2016 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's put in more match winning goals, big game performances and iconic moments in the last 2 years than all of Basti, Mata, Ander and Blind combined.

He's got serious limitations but I think he's a fucking fantastic tactical option. He totally bullies Matic and Yaya every single match he plays agaisnt them. He's often the difference against physical teams like S'oton, West Ham and Watford.

[–]designbynuff 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

+1

[–]obadetonaHerrera na na naaaa -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

The problem is not that Fellaini doesn't do a great job once in a while. It's that there are players out there who can do the same job more consistently and more.

[–]DarmianLVG 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't disagree with that. There are times when I have been disappointed to see Fellaini starting, but there are games that absolutely scream for him. I think he'll he missed against West Ham next week.

[–]ManUChao7Memphis -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Renato is done deal Bastian will be back next season so I don't think there is room for Fellaini. We need a way better CAM if we are going to stick with 4-2-3-1 formation and I just can't see big Fella staying with us.

[–]danskzwag 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rooney has been just as bad if not worse than mata at 10

[–]danskzwag 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bastian is more of a leader than Rooney

[–]ttjoelkerMemphis 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Realistically, we won't sell Memphis. That would be plain mental.

Memphis is a young player with a load of talent and extreme potential. Forget about all other players, because all players are different. It doesn't matter that Martial found his stride almost immediately and has kept it going. What matters is, we give Memphis the play time he requires and we build him up to be United caliber. Coaches, former teammates, pundits, they all concur that he is a great talent. United know this, I'm sure, and just because a few people want him sold, they won't sell him. It's actually laughable how deluded some of you are.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo 14ポイント15ポイント  (19子コメント)

I don't think there is anything wrong with our board.

[–]Mustard93 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

Haha go on then, I'll bite. Reasons? (other than you don't want to be fired!).

[–]DatGuyRichMartial 14/12. DAMN SON 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

For a start it made no sense to sack LVG in December

[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I get you might have disagreed, but "no sense". Really?

I think Van Gaal should have gone in the christmas period. He had shown no progress at all in United's play and the performances were getting worse and top 3 was fading away.

[–]Launch_a_poo 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

We were top of the league in November and you can't be that reactionary and sack a manager a month later. If the BBC are to be beleived we had some form of talks with Mourinho at the start of February. That seems sensible.

[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

We were top despite our bad performances. It was entirely deceptive.

We had Mourinho rumours all over Xmas. We legit believed he was coming at the start of January.

[–]Launch_a_poo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even still, I think him two months of poor results (December and January) was the correct decision before making moves towards sacking him.

[–]black_squireMartial -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure you can say it was deceptive now after injuries in December derailed us. Since January we've amassed more points than every team above us except Leicester and Spurs. Bad performances and all. It wasn't deceptive. We were top of the league.

[–]ijd17Uncle Ant 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

people are downvoting an unpopular opinion in an unpopular opinion thread, lol. In regards to your comment, why do you have that opinion?

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

Well, for starters, our board isn't just 1 person. Our board is not solely Ed Woodward, which a lot of people seem to think...

Whilst our board is made up with a large amount of the Glazer family, and they riddled us with the insane debt, are they currently holding us back? I'd argue not. You hear all the time that our board are wank. But then you get the news that we'll be getting over £100m a season from kit sponsors alone. Which will allow us to buy players who we all like. Who set about achieving those deals? The board.

Ed Woodward was covered in glory when signing Di Maria, Falcao, Basti, Schneiderlin, Memphis (to name a few). And he doesn't make ONE decision (Admittedly, a decision i want to happen) and all of a sudden the entire board is inept?! Give me a break. I've said it before and i'll say it again. We have NO idea what goes on at boardroom level. We get what the media feeds us, which could be total bollocks. How do we know the board haven't already decided to sack Louis? How do we know the board haven't decided on Jose already, but want to give him a fresh season to begin? We don't. We get a quote from the media saying LVG might not be sacked and it's 'our board are shit bla bla bla'

A shit board would allow LVG to stay for a decade playing the way we do. Our board is not shit. The blame from LVG's failures are spreading. I see people blaming the board regarding our transfer policy...WHAT?! They get told by the manager who to buy, and they fork out for him. A shit board would have shook their heads at £36m for Martial and he'd have gone to Juventus or something. They pull it out of the bag time and time again. If it doesn't work out, it aint their fault, it's LVG's.

Yes LVG should have been replaced a while ago. That was a mistake. We just need to see what happens in the summer. If we let Jose go and continue with LVG's boring style of play, they can come under scrutiny. For now, nah.

[–]murica_sauceVidić 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great post. I would add to that logic one other detail - when LvG arrived, the majority of people lauded the board for a great choice in manager: one with a history of 'reinventing squads' that had just taken the Dutch team to the 3rd place game while playing fun-to-watch football and getting good performances out of his players, who was renowned for bringing along young talent.

Hindsight is 20/20, and everyone is entitled to their opinion regarding LvG's performance since then - but most people seemed to agree at the time that LvG was a good signing.

[–]manudevil7Beckham 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually agree with you. Does Ed Woodward deserve blame for not sacking LvG during our horrible run in December? Absolutely.

However, I think Ed Woodward deserves praise as well. He has adjusted the schedule to fit LvG's needs, especially pre-season. It would make more financial sense for us to play more pre-season game, however, Woodward has put aside the additional money generated to fit LvG's needs.

His success on the commercial side is probably the best in the world. He's a savage. Nothing more needs to be said here.

I think if the board comes under fire, then Charlton and SAF deserve a lot of blame. I would love to hear what SAF thinks when LvG is telling fans their expectations are "too high."

SAF and Charlton should be sacked, if the board refuses to appoint Mourinho in the summer. Also, I am sick of SAF using his former players that are now in the media to convey this "pro-LvG" message. It's pathetic.

[–]WhovianMoakSchweinsteiger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To add to this, I think we are ignoring a few factors that got us to this point.

Fergie leaving required a huge restructuring of the club as a whole. His way of doing things and the singular power he had left when he did. So it was inevitable that major changes to the club itself would be reflected on the pitch. Rebuilding is a shitty term, but for lack of a better one; the clubs structure is being redefined on all levels. It takes time. The board will likely never, nor should it, cede that much power to a manager again. There needs to be a mutual relationship. (for all we know, this is why they keep LVG around. They may have bought into his 3-yr plan and they plan to see it out, who knows)

If we can accept that to be true(I could be wrong), it happened at a bad time. The recent influx of money into the rest of the league changed the power dynamics of the league. I heard a quote to the effect of "The top powers hiccuped and it allowed a Leicester to happen." No disrespect to them at all, but the top 4 teams all have been pretty complacent in transfers and hires for the past few years. The new money is bound to make low-table teams more likely to put together a squad that can challenge the top teams. The league is changing and we better figure out how to adapt.

tl;dr: I don't think the board is inept either, I think they are just figuring out the best way to adapt to a new team culture and league landscape. I accept that it takes time, but fuck its hard to watch sometimes.

[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Our board is not solely Ed Woodward, which a lot of people seem to think

I'm not sure that any user on this sub legitimately thinks that "the board" is just Ed Woodward.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whilst that's probably true...It certainly seems that way! I bet most people slating our board don't even know who's on it.

[–]ManUChao7Memphis 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If LVG retires this summer and Mourinho walks in, me personally I believe it's done deal and all this circus happened because of journos wanting clicks, then we should give more credit to the board. After SAF retirement and Moyes disaster we bounced back way faster than I expected, especially if we win the FA cup too. Tbh premier league level is low the recent years but they did a great job together with LVG of course bringing some exciting talents and they also gave the chance to our old players and to our youth too.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, if Mou walks in, that's our board acting to keep us at the top. A shit board would let this go on for years. A shit board probably wouldn't have sacked Moyes.

[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Though despite that I think these past couple of years have been a big eye opener for them

[–]obadetonaHerrera na na naaaa -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Care to explain? I doubt even they would agree.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I explained in a reply to another comment

[–]ZoidbergTheHeroMartial 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think Memphis has been really good when he has played... especially since that game against Midtjylland. I'll agree he has issue's with tracking back, but going forward I think he offers a massive threat. We know he can cut inside but he can constantly puts in really good balls with left bombing down the flank and always tries something different/creative.

[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The issue is that FC Midtjylland are 4th in the Danish league. People want to see performances against bigger teams.

[–]danskzwag 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rojo seems like the argentine phil jones rash injury prone and a poor full back

[–]LDN2016 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Valencia, Carrick, Rooney, Fellaini, Rashford and Lingard have all outperformed Darmian, Rojo, Morgan, Ander, Mata and Memphis.

Martial, Shaw and maybe Blind are the only players we've bought that have shown they're good enough for a title winning team.

I think if we listened to most of this sub's opinions about our old guard and academy products we'd be 10th right now instead of 5th.

I still think they need replacing but I'm only willing to move Carrick out of the starting XI if you can bring in someone as good as Modric or Veratti. Not someone as good as Morgan. I'm happy to move Valencia out of the team for Carvajal, not for Darmian. I'm happy to move Lingard out of the team if we buy Griezmann, not to play Memphis. I'm happy to move Rooney on for Kroos or Vidal, not for Ander or Mata.

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I think too many people have a mentality of change for change's sake even if it's not an improvement. I think all of that old guard needs upgrading, I just have much higher standards for what kind of players constitutes an upgrade on them.

[–]OrcnickThe 3 R's 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think we should cash in on lingard in the summer. He's had great season and I cannot fault his commitment and love for the club. But he's a replaceable player and we need someone with more quality. He's reminds a bit of welbeck, lots of hard working but he was not quite united quality.

Of course I am always open to be proven wrong but I just don't see a future for him as any more then a bench player once a better RM joins :/

[–]murica_sauceVidić 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think we should cash in on lingard

  1. Do you think we would be paid enough for him to make this worth it?
  2. Do you think we have the squad depth to cut someone who is a decent squad player?
  3. To follow-up to question 2, would you rather sell him than keep him (if not for longer, than for another season) as a squad player behind a 'better' signing - to give the new signing time to adjust to the EPL, and to see if his development continues?

[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

Memphis shouldn't be sold this Summer. I know he's had an underwhelming year but I really think he needs more time. He clearly has talent. We need more patience with youth.

[–]yiyiyiyiHerrera 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Selling him would be nuts. You might as well give him another year to see if he can kick on. If he does then we've potentially got a world class player. If he doesn't we don't lose anything by keeping him a year.

[–]knoxisbackDe Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

This isn't unpopular, more 50-50.

[–]AveLuciferGiggsy! 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So it's unpopular with 50% of people.

[–]knoxisbackDe Gea 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, it's controversial. An unpopular opinions thread is one where people post things that aren't supported by a majority of supporters, which isn't the case.

[–]shinkag 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not even 50-50, who wants Memphis sold in the summer? A few morons here and there on this sub but the general consensus is keep him. Not like it even matters what we think, I'm willing to bet my right arm he won't be sold. What kind of club sells a 22 year old winger after one season anyways? Especially considering we'll be losing money on him anyways, can't see any club offering more than £15m on him.

[–]knoxisbackDe Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah true. Maddening how ppl think one season translates to overall success.

[–]jbiresqHerrera -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

On the other hand, I believe if we get a good offer for him he'll go.

[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

What's a good offer to you? United aren't a selling club. Whether a player is sold or not isn't decided by the size of the offer as much as with other clubs. (Ronaldo the exception)

[–]LDN2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm happy to sell him if:

(i) we make break even AND

(ii) reinvest the money in a better forward, young or already established e.g. if Memphis money goes to buy Dembele or towards a bid for James/Griezmann.

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Do not want to sell him to make squad space for an academy player or pick up someone mediocre like Sadio Mane.

[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why on earth would Griezman join us. Where has this come from? Griezman isn't leaving Atletico.

[–]jbiresqHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I mean if someone offers close to what we paid so we could recoup the investment. I just feel there's something beneath the surface we're not hearing about. But, I don't think that offer will come in so he'll stay.

[–]tammodiruud van nistelrooy tra la la la la 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just feel there's something beneath the surface we're not hearing about.

I've been gutted to see his name on the bench as much as it has been this year. I'd have wanted him to start over Lingard more than he has done, even if it means playing on the right.

[–]danskzwag 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Our most senior players like Carrick and Rooney have been our worst

[–]murica_sauceVidić 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The downvote button is supposed to be used when a comment doesn't add to the discussion. It is not intended to be used when you personally disagree with the opinion posted.

[–]StannisJrScholesy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair that's the case all over reddit.

[–]TanqPhilWoodward! 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Constantly posting that United, owners to boards to Woodward to manager to players, are absolute shit in every thread on this sub does not make United better. It drives supporters away and shows immaturity/spoiled attitude/lack of perspective.

If your opinion is based on newspaper articles, you are a complete and utter fool who does not understand advertizing.

A significant percentage of posters (more importantly upvoters) are not United supporters, but instead ABUs spoiling threads. United fans could not possibly hate United that much. " If I bitch enough on Reddit, United will win faster!" No, it pisses off real supporters...kill yourself, prick.

3 fucking years on Reddit, only 6000 karma, obviously I don't give a single fuck about downvotes. Come at me, assholes.

[–]itsandercontrolDarmian 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Memphis is massively overrated by this sub. Lingard has played better than him for the past couple of months and should rightfully keep Memphis out the team.

[–]danskzwag 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

How can you say that when Memphis hasnt played?

[–]itsandercontrolDarmian 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ok, whenever Memphis has played, he has been average or a liability. Only good games recently have been Midjytland and Arsenal. Other than that, average or poor, at least Lingard is consistently average and isn't a liability. I like Memphis and I don't think he should be sold but I see why Lingard has been constantly chosen over him.

[–]danskzwag 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

its not fair to judge a player when come on to play 10-15 minutes when were losing, Lingard and Depay are equally rash when defending imo , memphis had a good few games and then he got dropped.

[–]StannisJrScholesy -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because Memphis hasn't justified a starting place.

[–]mapguyAs Tony Martial scores again 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The opinion of Fellaini in this sub seems to have shifted recently, but I still don't want him at United. I think he brings a limited amount of skill to team, none of which should grant him starting over others. He intentionally elbows people, and a lot of his supporters in here conveniently over look that. If it was Costa or Vardy doing that shit nearly every game, we would all being calling him names. He's a bang average player with a lot of dirty fouls in him. I hope he gets sold this summer.

[–]Stilkonwheels 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

TFM should not currently be starting for us, his positional awareness is at times shocking and will be exploited against better teams.

Memphis is not going to perform well under Mourinho, hes not the type of player mou prefers.

De Gea is leaving in the summer and we're going to be scrambling for a replacement.

[–]danskzwag 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Rooney is a a bang average midfielder

[–]WhovianMoakSchweinsteiger 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can't say I completely agree. But I think he is an far above average captain. I think his leadership on the pitch is really important. And he does some things, like tracking back to save our asses on defense, far better than the other options there. If he plays next season like he has in 2016, I will be happy to see him in that role.

[–]danskzwag 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I disagree with this leadership stuff we have Bastian for that. Where were all our leaders under moyes when there were dressing room and team leaks. His tracking back isnt as effective as Morgan and he does jog a fair bit and isnt exactly a ball winner.

[–]danskzwag 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Fellaini being good in the air is a myth he regularly gets outjumped

[–]doesnt_like_pantsHerrera 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

His heading is pretty shocking for someone his size. It's like he doesn't quite know where to put his head to get the ball to go where he wants it to.

Chest control is insane though as everyone knows.

[–]Takley -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean this shouldn't really be unpopular ..

He's "good in the air" in the sense of his size being able to disrupt players when defending , but he's fucking shit at actually heading the ball or winning duels themselves.

[–]shinkag -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Blind having good positional awareness and Darmian being great at defending are myths too. Blind has cost us time and time again while Darmian was made a fool of by several wingers. Darmian is a good defender but not great, having said that I don't think we've seen the best he has to offer.

[–]danskzwag 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I disagree Blind has been class for us this season.

[–]shinkag 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's been good but his positioning has cost us goal after goal, there's absolutely no way to argue otherwise.

[–]danskzwag 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

thats a stretch imo the last stinker he has was against watford

[–]jonnyshHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think the club needs a massive talent injection. I think the only kind of buy we should be doing is replacing players that we sell.

On that note, I think Mata needs to be sold.

[–]danskzwag -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Carrick is massively over rated

[–]azogthorinThere's only one Darren Fletcher 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

You don't need to make three different comments you know.

Carrick is massively over rated

Rooney is a bang average midfielder

Our most senior players like Carrick and Rooney have been our worst

And it's the same comments you make in almost every thread anyway.

[–]danskzwag -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there a rulebook I need to follow m8

[–]KeKaRoNiJanuzaj -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like Fellaini.

Is that unpopular even after Everton?