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[–]Donkey__Xote 99ポイント100ポイント  (1子コメント)

Im acquainted with a man that was a child in Rhodesia during this era. He had a military rifle in his bedroom with several magazines, and was taught that if the farm was attacked, to fire a few rounds out the window, change rooms, fire a few rounds out that window, rinse-and-repeat. The point was to give the impression that the farmhouse was more heavily defended than it actually was, to make it not worth-it as a target while reducing the chances that return-fire would find him.

[–]UberChargedFILMZ[S] 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

This sounds very accurate. Similar to what was done on small farms in South Africa

[–]awwwscar 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Ts ts ts ts. I'm from Rhodesia!" - Danny Archer

[–]Soundwave_X 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I thought they only alluded to that in the movie.

[–]MannishSeal 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

If i remember correctly he talks about how his family was raped/tortured and murdered, because they were white farmers? It's been a while since i've watched it, though.

[–]koolaid_snorkeler 72ポイント73ポイント  (20子コメント)

A family that slays together stats together.

[–]Council-Member-13 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

stats together

This is why daddy has to drink to relax boys

[–]Face_Roll 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Shure, he should of spell-checked to catch that type-O, but maybe your being over criticle?

[–]CN3RET 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was actually thinking in this context.

Game stats

[–]lacks_imagination 10ポイント11ポイント  (13子コメント)

Mugabe is the slayer. Yell 'racist' if you want, Rhodesia was a far better country then 'liberated' Zimbabwe. (Actually that goes for pretty much every other post-colonial African country).

[–]TrumpingSJWs 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

Yup . You Wil get down voted but since colonialism has ended the majority of Africans suffer far more from their institutions falling apart than the smaller percentage that might have been suppressed in order to maintain control.

[–]nichnick 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you ignore Belgians cutting off people's hands for not providing enough slave labour, the Germans genociding two entire ethnic groups, the British concentration camps...

[–]OhioGabe 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

...which is a byproduct of colonialism. You can't go to someone's house, trash the place, and claim it was nicer when you arrived as an excuse.

[–]h0l0n 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or take over someone's farm, force them all to work for your own profit, toss them a few scraps, finally leave and then accuse them of being a dysfunctional family.

[–]FatStacks6969 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ever consider that the countries fall apart because colonialism fucked them up so much?

[–]FrZnaNmLsRghT 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

You act like the two things aren't connected.

[–]ethanlan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah but that's mainly the government's of those countries fault for not properly educating the majority of its countries population.

[–]Council-Member-13 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You might want to look at the colonial history in Africa and how and why the Colonial powers gave up almost the entire African territories within a span of only 10 years. In many cases, they left abruptly, leaving the institutions in place, but a wholly uneducated, and divided populace to manage them. So yeah, Colonialist control would in many cases be optimal with regards to securing law and order in the shitholes the European powers created, but so what? Even if it had been economically feasible for the European powers to do so (it wasn't), that doesn't justify maintaining a overtly racist powerstructure.

Europe didn't care about the continent beyond what wealth they could extract from it, and that's the probably the main reason why many African nations are to this day still in dissaray.

[–]themiddlestclass 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Black people in America weren't killed by police when they were slaves, so let's bring back slavery! How you think this way makes me sick.

[–]themiddlestclass 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit you are so wrong. Get the fuck out of here with your colonial sympathy. That's appalling that someone could actually think life was better in slavery or apartheid.

[–]Unhinged_Member 118ポイント119ポイント  (116子コメント)

The Bush Wars were pretty brutal.

Then, two decades later, Mugabe would begin seizing farms owned by Whites, and trash the economy in the process as productivity tanked.

[–]DrPorkTacoMan 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Pistol the lady is holding is a Kommando "L.D.P" "Lands Defense Pistol". Made in SA during Bush War because of the arms embargo, built to fill a need for farmers who needed guns.

[–]siredmundsnaillary 67ポイント68ポイント  (17子コメント)

That's a slight over simplification. At first Mugabe's land reform programme was very successful; farms were purchased not seized, productivity increased, income equality and poverty started to fall. It was a model for how to do post-colonial land redistribution properly.

It's only after '97 that it started to go wrong, when Mugabe started seizing farms and giving them to political allies who acted more like war lords than farmers. Things went badly pretty quickly from there.

[–]EATandDRINKpotatos 25ポイント26ポイント  (6子コメント)

And that his reaction to that was because the Chatham house agreement was failing - the British were supposed to underwrite the transition costs, and the pace had stalled for quite some time. It wasn't like one day Mugabe snapped. It's almost like they're a real country, and he's a real politician, and had to maintain the loyalty of his people by going through with the things he said he would do for the last 20 years. People write off Zim like some banana republic Idi Amin regime, but Mugabe had a lot of well documented reasons for doing most of the shit that gets boiled down to "oh look what the crazy dictator did by decree!"

Edit: Well documented and logical-ish, does not mean good reasons. * Double edit: Not Chatham House - Lancaster House agreement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reform_in_Zimbabwe

[–]brak10 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

People write off Zim like some banana republic Idi Amin regime, but Mugabe had a lot of well documented reasons for doing most of the shit that gets boiled down to "oh look what the crazy dictator did by decree!"

He is a crazy dictator. His exact words were:

I am still the Hitler of the time. This Hitler has only one objective, justice for his own people, sovereignty for his people, recognition of the independence of his people, and their right to their resources.

"If that is Hitler, then let me be a Hitler tenfold. Ten times, that is what we stand for."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/1425727/Hitler-Mugabe-launches-revenge-terror-attacks.html

[–]EATandDRINKpotatos 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not saying he's not a dictator (do people even read the full context anymore or just pull the words needed to create an argument on the internet?). I'm saying there are underlying reasons for what he did to the farms - and if you want to know more, you should probably read up on the history of the Chatham house agreement and how that played into the transition, and why he ultimately seized the farms.

*Sorry, I've referred to it at Chatham house - it was Lancaster House Agreement.

*** And if you actually want to know more, here's a good link to how the UK government defunded the entire policy under Blaire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reform_in_Zimbabwe

[–]NetAppNoob 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm saying there are underlying reasons for what he did to the farms

Yes, to stay in power at all costs.

[–]siredmundsnaillary 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

No I agree that the UK government is at least partially responsible for the disaster in Zimbabwe.

Mugabe calls Tony Blair a gangster because Blair royally fucked him over.

[–]fucky_fucky 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]EATandDRINKpotatos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What ever implied I thought he was a great guy? I worked for MDC in London.

[–]brak10 14ポイント15ポイント  (8子コメント)

At first Mugabe's land reform programme was very successful; farms were purchased not seized, productivity increased, income equality and poverty started to fall. It was a model for how to do post-colonial land redistribution properly.

I disagree. For one, when you say the government "purchased" the property do you really think that they got a fair price for the land? Because what were their options? Not to sell? You can be guaranteed that they were ripped off.

Also, you call murdering white land owners and taking their land "a model for how to do post-colonial land redistribution properly"? Since when is redistributing land by force a "proper" way of doing things?

[–]Kirkaine 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

For one, when you say the government "purchased" the property do you really think that they got a fair price for the land?

Since the vast majority of early resettlement was onto North-Eastern farms that had been abandoned during the war, yes.

Your entire conception is based on sixth grade guesses of what you feel happened in Zimbabwe. Try checking the facts for a change.

[–]Tony49UK 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was working at the World Travel Market where billions of dollars worth of holidays get sold, in the Southern Africa end. It started off good for the Zimbabwean safari companies but half way through the expeditions run Mugabe seriously turned up the heat on white farmers, seizing land etc. There were bread riots and the country looked to be on the verge of a civil war. The Zimbabwean stands were basically empty after that which decimated their tourist industry.

[–]Soundwave_X 30ポイント31ポイント  (42子コメント)

Then, two decades later, Mugabe would begin seizing farms owned by Whites, and trash the economy in the process as productivity tanked.

What could go wrong with an African dictator? /s

[–]FlyTrumpIntoTheSun 8ポイント9ポイント  (17子コメント)

Obviously the right answer is a white dictator, who exploits the native people and sends the resources back to (white) western nations.

[–]Canadaisfullgohome -4ポイント-3ポイント  (16子コメント)

No we need South African democracy! Where 23,000 people get murdered a year in the name of social justice!

Im sure the increase of a few thousand murders and rapes per year was soooo worth being progressive!

[–]FlyTrumpIntoTheSun 6ポイント7ポイント  (15子コメント)

Wow, now "people shouldn't be slaves" is too progressive for you types? You are literally endorsing human slavery.

[–]CaryGrantLives 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

To be technical, he's endorsing apartheid. Still awful. Not literal slavery.

I'm with you but you're begging for pedantry when you throw phrases like "literally endorsing slavery" around.

[–]FlyTrumpIntoTheSun 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

There was most certainly exploitation (wage slavery) of the native people in Rhodesia.

[–]DocNedKelly 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is almost certainly wage slavery everywhere under capitalism.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but you don't have to look to Rhodesia for such a problem.

[–]fuckyoufuckinfuck 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

slavery was abolished in south africa in 1833...by the whites...

[–]ocdesertguy4 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I assume these people were dead shortly after this picture? Pretty far outnumbered.

[–]uptnapishtim 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why would it be considered their land when initially it had been forcefully taken by the colonial government?

[–]AccessTheMainframe 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

If Rhodesia implemented majority rule earlier maybe the Central African Federation would still be around and they'd be no more impoverished and violent than say, the Bahamas, which implemented majority rule just fine.

[–]brak10 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Horrible example. The Bahamas economy is dependent on tourism. It makes up half of their entire economy. And tax shelters accounts for most of the rest.

[–]AccessTheMainframe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Basically any alternative would be better than what happened. White minority rule in Rhodesia couldn't last forever, so it probably would have been better to implement it before years of bloodshed and persecution poisoned the well.

[–]LlamaRush 12ポイント13ポイント  (9子コメント)

What guns are they holding?

[–]VanGoesHam 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

Dad has an FN FAL, daughter has a webley, and I'm not sure about mom.

[–]Si_vis_pacem_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think it is a grease gun. These were tank crew guns in WWII that was really easy to maintain and modify with other leftover parts.

EDIT: correction it might be this one since it was used in Rhodesia.

[–]Peil 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also contributed to the market in SMGs and short guns in general I believe because it could be used in dense jungle without a long barrel getting tangled.

[–]Shisno_ 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

Mom's gun might be a Star Z84 or, a Steyr MPi 69. I can't quite tell from the angle.

edit: Thanks to /u/DrPorkTacoMan - it's a Kommando Arms 9091 9mm.

[–]DrPorkTacoMan 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a Kommando Arms 9091 9mm, South African jobber

[–]Shisno_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're absolutely right. The angle kind of messed with me on this one.

[–]iConoClast04 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

From the movie, Blood Diamond:

Danny Archer: "Ts ts ts ts. I'm from Rhodesia!"

Maddy Bowen: "We say Zimbabwe now, don't we?"

Danny Archer: "Do we?"

Maddy Bowen: "Last time I checked."

[–]alumni_letter 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

Worth a Read: Don't Let's Go to the Dogs Tonight: An African Childhood by Alexandra Fuller

[–]EATandDRINKpotatos 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, that's an absolutely beautiful book. For people that know Rhodesians, you can totally relate to why they still long for their country, considering how hard it was to live there, even as the elites.

[–]cancercures 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

For people that know the Shona who lived under the white supremacist Rhodesian government, you can totally relate to why they wanted to overthrow the racist state of Rhodesia.

[–]EATandDRINKpotatos 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't understand how my statement is incompatible with yours, but yeah, agreed.

[–]NetAppNoob 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How did that turn out for them? Zimbabwe under Mugabe seems just as racist.

[–]Foxxy-Grandpa 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rebel scum? More like Imperial scum

[–]showmeassandtitties 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Governor really wants to take that prison

[–]love2go 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That little girl means business.

[–]gypsy_gem 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

finally, people who know how to take pictures with guns.

upvote for trigger discipline!

[–]cndrblok 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Loving that trigger discipline

[–]Ovedya2011 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Upvote for fingers off the triggers.

[–]BalesLeftBoot 34ポイント35ポイント  (20子コメント)

Regardless of moral judgement, what is "cool" about this picture?

[–]TheyCallThemRouges 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is a part of world history that people may not know of. I find these types of posts "cool", not because I agree with the people in the photograph, but because it captures a moment in history that I would not have seen otherwise.

[–]strutmcphearson 45ポイント46ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably the stern looks of badassery while they pose with guns. Either that or their awesome fashion sense

[–]DoublemintDave79 34ポイント35ポイント  (2子コメント)

Would you prefer someone whoring out their mom again?

[–]Si_vis_pacem_ 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, but that's beside the point.

[–]Jimble092 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought its a picture of everyday life in a strange and interesting time in history; looking at it today it's such an odd photo that it ends up being cool.

[–]somajones 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That chick's sassy hat.

[–]Satan_Van_Gundy 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

what is "cool" about this picture?

I feel like you could ask this same question of 80% of the submissions to this sub

[–]blndcavefsh 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This sub has gradually been turning into /r/OldPictures

[–]WW_D 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a view of a time that I haven't heard or seen much about. I think it's cool just as a rarity.

[–]fencerman 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's about as cool as seeing a bunch of SS officers in full uniform I suppose.

[–]antioxidantwalrus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They were the last people to pull off leather trench coats.

[–]fuckreddit66666 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The fact that it isn't a photo of you.

[–]Redarrow762 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good trigger finger discipline.

[–]PigSlam 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The girl with the revolver seems rather formidable.

[–]FlyTrumpIntoTheSun 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

Literal white supremacist propaganda upvoted into the hundreds.

Stay classy, Reddit.

[–]eyecandigit 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

Do you know how this family got their farm? They most likely BOUGHT it. Why do they have guns? Because others want to STEAL it from them and probably kill and rape them too.

You're an idiot.

[–]David_Vonderhaar_AMA 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm appreciating the good trigger discipline all around. A family that practices the basic rules of firearm ownership together stays together.

[–]KIMJ0NGTRILL 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

is this a joke

[–]I_am_not_hon_jawley 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is that a question?

[–]KIMJ0NGTRILL -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

you understand that rhodesia was a white supremacist state right, this photo is like posting a picture of your grandpa the grand wizard of the KKK. this is ridiculous

[–]I_am_not_hon_jawley 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm questioning your grammar not the content dipshit.

[–]cancercures -1ポイント0ポイント  (21子コメント)

There needs to be more historical context provided. Rhodesia - names after Cecil Rhodes, the man responsible for taking over the region through war and murder. Who then put up slave camps so that the locals could make him rich.

He's a slaver. He's a tyrant. He got rich off of it. He carved out the region, and named the state after him - Rhodesia. He then propped up The State with white people, and awarded white people good farm land, good government positions.

And eventually, it crumbled. This picture depicts some people attempting to prop up not only their home front, but the white supremacist state of Rhodesia.

https://espressostalinist.com/genocide/cecil-rhodes-and-de-beers-genocide-diamonds/

And if you're OK with british men taking over the land using violence, then you should have no fucking problem at all with what happens when the local black people fight back, taking back over hte land using violence.

[–]WW_D 39ポイント40ポイント  (16子コメント)

These people didn't do that though, they were just defending their home. Assuming you're American, when was the last time you thought about giving your house/land back to the Native tribe that lived their before we colonized? That's what I thought.

[–]JillyPolla 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm done with letting descendants of native Americans back into USA from places like Mexico.

[–]WW_D 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

National borders are a whole separate issue haha. Nothing wrong with opposing illegal immigration, those borders have been there for quite a while.

[–]alderaan_never4get 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

As an American growing up, I notice how much we romanticized planting ourselves on someone else's land and calling it our own. I didn't think much of it back then, other than we were rather presumptuous in assuming any where we plant a flag is suddenly ours. It didn't really dawn on me until I got older how fucked up that really was, and the consequences of our pilgrimage and manifest destiny westward.

[–]WW_D 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, we did a lot of shitty stuff to the Indians. We're never going to be able to give their land back, but it'd be nice to help them deal with poverty and alcoholism on the reservations at least.

In the end though, we shouldn't go around blaming ourselves for the sins of our forebears, it won't fix anything today. Everyone who feels for Native people should be donating to relevant charities or tribal colleges if they can. We can't give back what past Americans took, but we can help them find a place again.

[–]PoppyTea1201 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

The point is that if american natives decided to (and were capable of) take back their land, it would ultimately be historically justified. White america wouldnt have any moral high ground or anything. However these situations are vastly different as most natives barely exist now and whites and immigrants are the vast majority. In Rhodesia the colonizers were still the vast x10 minority at the time when africans struck back.

[–]bearmorgan -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, you're not wrong.

[–]thatguy1210 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not really cool as much as OldSchoolRacist...

[–]-Reactionary_Vizier- 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you think it's racist for whites to

a) live in Africa

and

b) arm themselves, in a situation where terrorists were constantly making attacks on civilians (both black and white)

Then YOU are the racist.

[–]UpYourMut 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Them? Or the other white families that were raped and murdered as well? There is blood on both sides so I suggest you look into it further.

[–]Oneeyebrowsystem 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didn't realize this was white supremacy cool

[–]eyecandigit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This family almost certainly got their farm by BUYING it. They have guns because others want to STEAL it from them and most likely will murder and rape them in the process. I would be surprised if that did not happen anyway.

[–]GBJI 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The guy on the picture is called Jean Aimard.

[–]mrshadoninja 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is that Alexandra Fuller's Family?

[–]Green_Cucumbers 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are so many idiots whining about 'imperialism' and 'racism' and whatnot. They don't seem to realize that there was nothing there before the whites came. No advanced infrastructure, large settlements or centralized political authority. The whites created all of that, bringing white institutions into the country and then the natives tell them to fuck off saying they own it now.

[–]Scrmngchicken403 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

All I see is a family using guns as they are intended. So keep them safe from harm.

[–]rrrrryan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Could just as easily be titled "Racist colonists win worse parents of the year awards"

[–]DanJaboor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Upvote because dad looks like David Mitchell.

[–]wtfdormername 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Give the kid the rifle it has less muzzle climb and easier to aim.

[–]baileywastaken 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's going to be the most fire mix tape.

[–]Syltarex 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

you gotta be fucking kidding me

[–]598103890109 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

There's nothing cool about white colonialism shitting up Africa more than it already would have been all on it's own. You a white nationalist? That's the only people I can possible think of who think shit like this is cool..

[–]mooselimbsaretrash -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Blacks have shown no ability to successfully lead themselves, and should be thankful for the progress white colonialism brought them.

[–]Daabevuggler 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course, colonialism and africa's instability aren't connected. TIL

[–]Robertseagull23 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never realised Rhode Island had such a crime problem