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Rhodesian Family guarding the homefront, 1974 (imgur.com)

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[–]LlamaRush 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

What guns are they holding?

[–]VanGoesHam 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

Dad has an FN FAL, daughter has a webley, and I'm not sure about mom.

[–]LlamaRush 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

ty

[–]Si_vis_pacem_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think it is a grease gun. These were tank crew guns in WWII that was really easy to maintain and modify with other leftover parts.

EDIT: correction it might be this one since it was used in Rhodesia.

[–]Peil 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also contributed to the market in SMGs and short guns in general I believe because it could be used in dense jungle without a long barrel getting tangled.

[–]Patriot87 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mom has what looks like a Mac-10.

[–]Shisno_ 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Mom's gun might be a Star Z84 or, a Steyr MPi 69. I can't quite tell from the angle.

edit: Thanks to /u/DrPorkTacoMan - it's a Kommando Arms 9091 9mm.

[–]DrPorkTacoMan 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a Kommando Arms 9091 9mm, South African jobber

[–]Shisno_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're absolutely right. The angle kind of messed with me on this one.

[–]koolaid_snorkeler 42ポイント43ポイント  (4子コメント)

A family that slays together stats together.

[–]jeromeman12 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

The kid has a 10/0 Kill/death ratio stat

[–]Council-Member-13 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

stats together

This is why daddy has to drink to relax boys

[–]lacks_imagination -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mugabe is the slayer. Yell 'racist' if you want, Rhodesia was a far better country then 'liberated' Zimbabwe. (Actually that goes for pretty much every other post-colonial African country).

[–]Donkey__Xote 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

Im acquainted with a man that was a child in Rhodesia during this era. He had a military rifle in his bedroom with several magazines, and was taught that if the farm was attacked, to fire a few rounds out the window, change rooms, fire a few rounds out that window, rinse-and-repeat. The point was to give the impression that the farmhouse was more heavily defended than it actually was, to make it not worth-it as a target while reducing the chances that return-fire would find him.

[–]UberChargedFILMZ[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This sounds very accurate. Similar to what was done on small farms in South Africa

[–]Unhinged_Member 69ポイント70ポイント  (36子コメント)

The Bush Wars were pretty brutal.

Then, two decades later, Mugabe would begin seizing farms owned by Whites, and trash the economy in the process as productivity tanked.

[–]Soundwave_X 22ポイント23ポイント  (11子コメント)

Then, two decades later, Mugabe would begin seizing farms owned by Whites, and trash the economy in the process as productivity tanked.

What could go wrong with an African dictator? /s

[–]FlyTrumpIntoTheSun 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Obviously the right answer is a white dictator, who exploits the native people and sends the resources back to (white) western nations.

[–]siredmundsnaillary 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's a slight over simplification. At first Mugabe's land reform programme was very successful; farms were purchased not seized, productivity increased, income equality and poverty started to fall. It was a model for how to do post-colonial land redistribution properly.

It's only after '97 that it started to go wrong, when Mugabe started seizing farms and giving them to political allies who acted more like war lords than farmers. Things went badly pretty quickly from there.

[–]EATandDRINKpotatos 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

And that his reaction to that was because the Chatham house agreement was failing - the British were supposed to underwrite the transition costs, and the pace had stalled for quite some time. It wasn't like one day Mugabe snapped. It's almost like they're a real country, and he's a real politician, and had to maintain the loyalty of his people by going through with the things he said he would do for the last 20 years. People write off Zim like some banana republic Idi Amin regime, but Mugabe had a lot of well documented reasons for doing most of the shit that gets boiled down to "oh look what the crazy dictator did by decree!"

*Edit: Well documented and logical-ish, does not mean good reasons.

[–]siredmundsnaillary 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

No I agree that the UK government is at least partially responsible for the disaster in Zimbabwe.

Mugabe calls Tony Blair a gangster because Blair royally fucked him over.

[–]brak10 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

At first Mugabe's land reform programme was very successful; farms were purchased not seized, productivity increased, income equality and poverty started to fall. It was a model for how to do post-colonial land redistribution properly.

I disagree. For one, when you say the government "purchased" the property do you really think that they got a fair price for the land? Because what were their options? Not to sell? You can be guaranteed that they were ripped off.

Also, you call murdering white land owners and taking their land "a model for how to do post-colonial land redistribution properly"? Since when is redistributing land by force a "proper" way of doing things?

[–]ocdesertguy4 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I assume these people were dead shortly after this picture? Pretty far outnumbered.

[–]autisinalassburgers 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, these people fixed the negro problem. They won.

[–]no1b8tt8r 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Better than letting foreign invaders run a country. Why the fuck should white people run a country when they're the vast minority?

[–]Peil 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, fuck those assholes who have lived here all their lives! Their great grandparents lived here but our great great grandparents lived here!!!

[–]EATandDRINKpotatos 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

I mean, you forget to mention how brutal and trashed the economy was when the whites seized the farms from the black population. Really a net neutral in terms of # of winners and losers in the Rhodesia-Zimbabwe transition.

[–]mustoprocrastinating 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

What "Farms", what "Economy" ? When the pioneer columns moved north there were no farms and no economy. Scattered villagers living a subsistence agrarian lifestyle (if they were Shona).. or pillaging them if they were Matabele.

[–]EATandDRINKpotatos 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Weird how you state all that, but the Rhodesians had no problem literally stealing their cattle and systems of production, which you then write off as essentially none of the trappings of settled agriculture.

Also - Great Zimbabwe was settled in the 11th century. Zimbabwe has and had at that time settled agriculture (and what the fuck do you think the Boers and Rhodesians were anyway? Farmers - just like the Shona).

[–]OptimusCrime69 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're kidding right? By all economic indicators, Zimbabwe's output shrunk. Meaning there was less total wealth going around.

[–]JillyPolla 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sometimes people are concerned not only with the total wealth, but the distribution of it.

[–]funny-irish-guy -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would count the current population as losers in the transition, given that their currency completely devalued and there are rampant food shortages due to kicking all the farmers out.

It turns out a that forced 100% turnover rate cripples an industry. Surprise!

[–]EATandDRINKpotatos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, obviously I am well aware of those things, but you've completely missed the point I was making. 90% of the population (blacks) were excluded under colonialism. 90% of society today is excluded from the economic systems (although black africans run it). I'm saying that screwy exclusionary economic policies have consistently kept the participation rate in the economy at a modest amount, except for a bright spot 1985 - 1995ish.

[–]DrPorkTacoMan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Pistol the lady is holding is a Kommando "L.D.P" "Lands Defense Pistol". Made in SA during Bush War because of the arms embargo, built to fill a need for farmers who needed guns.

[–]3xistentialPrimate -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Seriously, you're complaining about the native reaction to European colonialism? I'm a white American male and this is so ridiculous I laughed out loud upon reading your comment. Go vote Trump, fascist pig!

[–]cancercures 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the people who defend the Rhodesian government may be more fascist than casual Trump supporters, but I agree with you. I think Reddit is being brigaded by Stormfront again. There are two types of people who Defend Rhodesia: the white people who used to own land in Rhodesia, and white supremacists.

The land owners, I am somewhat sympathetic over - they're born on one hand, in privilege, and the other hand, surrounded by scores of oppressed people. This creates an entirely different outlook of life that most americans simply will never understand.

The white supremacists? Fuck them forever.

[–]3xistentialPrimate -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, white and wealth privilege aren't going to work as an excuse for escaping the guillotine when the workers rise up. Those racist pigs should be happy for the moderation that was shown because I would have chopped off their heads not just taken their lands.

[–]AccessTheMainframe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If Rhodesia implemented majority rule earlier maybe the Central African Federation would still be around and they'd be no more impoverished and violent than say, the Bahamas, which implemented majority rule just fine.

[–]NorCalTico -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

He might have gone about it wrong, but the idea is sound. They don't belong there, and they don't deserve to own all of the best land.

[–]uptnapishtim -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No one ever wants to look at it from this angle. The land was originally African's the white people took it and freedom fighters reclaimed what was rightfully theirs.

[–]Jello_and_Quaaludes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So should America give back the USA to the Indians? lol

[–]uptnapishtim -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why would it be considered their land when initially it had been forcefully taken by the colonial government?

[–]alumni_letter 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Worth a Read: Don't Let's Go to the Dogs Tonight: An African Childhood by Alexandra Fuller

[–]EATandDRINKpotatos -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, that's an absolutely beautiful book. For people that know Rhodesians, you can totally relate to why they still long for their country, considering how hard it was to live there, even as the elites.

[–]cancercures 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

For people that know the Shona who lived under the white supremacist Rhodesian government, you can totally relate to why they wanted to overthrow the racist state of Rhodesia.

[–]awwwscar 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Ts ts ts ts. I'm from Rhodesia!" - Danny Archer

[–]Soundwave_X 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I thought they only alluded to that in the movie.

[–]SteampunkSamurai 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We call it Zimbabwe now, don't we?

[–]MannishSeal 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If i remember correctly he talks about how his family was raped/tortured and murdered, because they were white farmers? It's been a while since i've watched it, though.

[–]iConoClast04 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

From the movie, Blood Diamond:

Danny Archer: "Ts ts ts ts. I'm from Rhodesia!"

Maddy Bowen: "We say Zimbabwe now, don't we?"

Danny Archer: "Do we?"

Maddy Bowen: "Last time I checked."

[–]Foxxy-Grandpa 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rebel scum? More like Imperial scum

[–]showmeassandtitties 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Governor really wants to take that prison

[–]cndrblok 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Loving that trigger discipline

[–]BalesLeftBoot 22ポイント23ポイント  (16子コメント)

Regardless of moral judgement, what is "cool" about this picture?

[–]DoublemintDave79 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Would you prefer someone whoring out their mom again?

[–]strutmcphearson 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably the stern looks of badassery while they pose with guns. Either that or their awesome fashion sense

[–]TheyCallThemRouges 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is a part of world history that people may not know of. I find these types of posts "cool", not because I agree with the people in the photograph, but because it captures a moment in history that I would not have seen otherwise.

[–]Satan_Van_Gundy 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

what is "cool" about this picture?

I feel like you could ask this same question of 80% of the submissions to this sub

[–]blndcavefsh 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This sub has gradually been turning into /r/OldPictures

[–]Jimble092 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought its a picture of everyday life in a strange and interesting time in history; looking at it today it's such an odd photo that it ends up being cool.

[–]somajones 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That chick's sassy hat.

[–]fencerman 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's about as cool as seeing a bunch of SS officers in full uniform I suppose.

[–]antioxidantwalrus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They were the last people to pull off leather trench coats.

[–]WW_D 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a view of a time that I haven't heard or seen much about. I think it's cool just as a rarity.

[–]OptimusCrime69 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Are you autistic or just stupid?

[–]MannishSeal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What the fuck do you know about autism?

[–]barkhangmonk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you a 14 year old or just a virgin?

[–]Nijos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now that's what I call a brave comment

[–]KIMJ0NGTRILL 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

is this a joke

[–]strike__anywhere 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Leo?

[–]rahomka 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

TIA

[–]Robertseagull23 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never realised Rhode Island had such a crime problem

[–]love2go 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That little girl means business.

[–]FlyTrumpIntoTheSun 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Literal white supremacist propaganda upvoted into the hundreds.

Stay classy, Reddit.

[–]thatguy1210 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really cool as much as OldSchoolRacist...

[–]DontBreatheThis_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ah...Rhodesian

[–]cancercures 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

There needs to be more historical context provided. Rhodesia - names after Cecil Rhodes, the man responsible for taking over the region through war and murder. Who then put up slave camps so that the locals could make him rich.

He's a slaver. He's a tyrant. He got rich off of it. He carved out the region, and named the state after him - Rhodesia. He then propped up The State with white people, and awarded white people good farm land, good government positions.

And eventually, it crumbled. This picture depicts some people attempting to prop up not only their home front, but the white supremacist state of Rhodesia.

https://espressostalinist.com/genocide/cecil-rhodes-and-de-beers-genocide-diamonds/

And if you're OK with british men taking over the land using violence, then you should have no fucking problem at all with what happens when the local black people fight back, taking back over hte land using violence.

[–]WW_D 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

These people didn't do that though, they were just defending their home. Assuming you're American, when was the last time you thought about giving your house/land back to the Native tribe that lived their before we colonized? That's what I thought.

[–]bearmorgan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, you're not wrong.

[–]jamietotheroc -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's not the fault of the British that Africa pretty much was a joke to colonize.. Whole continent except Ethiopia got squashed like ants

[–]cancercures 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Superior firepower generally does that all across the world.

[–]_papatata_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

And European folk started dropping like flies once they crossed the malaria line...

[–]MahSelectah 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

10/Rhuzi

[–]GBJI 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The guy on the picture is called Jean Aimard.

[–]wtfdormername 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Give the kid the rifle it has less muzzle climb and easier to aim.

[–]mrshadoninja 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is that Alexandra Fuller's Family?

[–]DisplayFX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

'Murica!

[–]David_Vonderhaar_AMA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm appreciating the good trigger discipline all around. A family that practices the basic rules of firearm ownership together stays together.

[–]PigSlam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The girl with the revolver seems rather formidable.

[–]Redarrow762 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good trigger finger discipline.

[–]Scrmngchicken403 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

All I see is a family using guns as they are intended. So keep them safe from harm.

[–]dee_berg -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

All I see is a family using guns as they are intended

Colonizing black people?

[–]UberChargedFILMZ[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

But Rhodesia wasn't colonizing by the time of UDI. Southern Rhodesia wasn't even colonizing in 1893. The land had been claimed by Cecil John Rhodes for the British and the BSAC already. By the time of UDI, Rhodesia wasn't colonizing for more than 70 years

[–]dee_berg -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

1974 was a minority whites dominating the black majority socially, economically and politically. Call it what you will.

[–]DanJaboor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Upvote because dad looks like David Mitchell.

[–]Ovedya2011 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Upvote for fingers off the triggers.

[–]UberChargedFILMZ[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

TO EVERYONE WHO SAYS THIS ISN'T FOR THIS SUB: I find this image COOL. I find it COOL that this family took responsibility and defended their homes while the BSAP were defending elsewhere. If you dont find it cool, go somewhere else. If you dont understand what Rhodesia stood for, and believe it was just like South Africa with Apartheid, you are dead wrong. If you think that it is RACIST that white people are defending their land against aggressors who happen to be black, you don't know the definition of Racism.

[–]Boldchoice2 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they weren't white, everyone here would hate this photo.

Edit: also, this photo isnt cool at all. They all look like theyre trying way too hard to be cool. Especially the lame ass daughter with the revolver. "Oooo look at what I have". Dumb child. Bonus: nice tennis outfits.

[–]Throwitontheground64 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stateside kill!