G2 statement about MSI 2016

r4321 · 4時間前

G2 mentioned the uncertainty of visas as a factor at play here. Have there been any instances of European players being unable to enter Korea for a two week period in the past?

This statement feels weak. Other teams at the tournament experienced the exact same issues in terms of not having time to vacation. CLG had inadequate scrim partners as well from what I understand but chose to stay as a team rather than take time off. I don't think that a statement was needed here - there really isn't any face to save. People who thought vacationing was understandable will still think so. People who didn't were presented with no new reasons to change their mind.

FizzJungleJelly · 2時間前

This isn't the attitude of a champion, simple as that. This statement makes the situation even more embarrassing for them. Bringing up visa issues is nonsense and shows that the team doesn't even have a clue what they are doing. I am very disappointed in them.

Let's be frank here. You guys all have the huge opportunity of making a living with your hobby, an opportunity that billions of people simply don't have - and never will. Investing 10+ hours a day for 6 days a week may seem a lot, but honestly, it isn't. I know so many people that do the same for years, without the fame, without being treated like stars. I, myself, more often than not, work for 10+ hours a day, 4 weeks of vacation a year. But wait, it doesn't stop there: I have to commute twice a day, I have to do my laundry, buy groceries, clean my apartment and many other things, that the G2 members don't have to, since they live in a gaming house. Now imagine having to feed a whole family, where your child is sick and has repeatedly to go to the doctor and wakes you up during the night, year in, year out.

Guys, you just started your professional career, ended your very first split in LCS - what the hell are you tired of? Where's your enthusiasm? Already lacking the hunger for success? This story is already over before it started. Willingly disappointing a whole region, your fellow EUW teams and millions of fans, that's the attitude of a fool. There are people that work your 10+ hours/6days as well and that were looking forward to this tourney and you just let them down, good job. There's also somewhat a responsibility to represent your region, your followers, your community.

This just shows me again, that those LCS teams are, after all, still just a bunch of children. Wake the hell up, five years from now you'll all gonna regret this decision more than anyone else. Giving away the opportunity to perform on your very first international tournament - giving away the opportunity to gather so much experience and knowledge... It is as if you didn't even want to be a professional league team.

This is painfully disappointing.

edg_will_win · 3時間前

go to MSI re-energized and with high motivation to do good.

We are greatly honored to be representing our region at this tournament and we are doing our best to improve each game, and make our fans and Europe proud

lul

zstewie · 4時間前

I love posts like these, implying that every other team isn't burnt out from 10+ hours of scrims each day for months. Every other team was burnt out yet kept playing even if it's against challenger teams. Winning doesn't come from doing the logical decisions, it comes from being a step up and taking challenges that other teams don't. If they wanted to perform well they wouldn't have rested, thats not a winners mentality.

Werewolf_Fredy · 3時間前

Such bad PR. At this point they should stop finding excuses and admit they made a mistake by taking a vacation. Apologize to the fans and maybe there will be less hate towards them.

Culcasi · 3時間前

If you don't want to practice to represent your region, don't fucking go at all. Let a different team take your seed.

NeroRay · 3時間前

so spending that time practicing against Challenger level teams would have been detrimental towards our level - See more at

This is my favorite. Glad they didnt practice against challenger teams. They look really smooth and crisp now.

Julie_LoL · 3時間前

weren’t any LCS level scrim partners in Europe

Poor G2, unlucky that Europe was the only region to have an offseason during MSI.

1) you need to practice a new patch, even if against challengers teams (FNC.A is coached by Deilor, they would be decent)

2) you can go to Shanghai early and scrim CN/KR/LMS challenger teams (and adapt to the differences in playstyles)

3) you could even ask around the other MSI teams to see if anyone is arriving/would like to arrive 2-3 days earlier to scrim each other

Voshin · 3時間前

G2 is officially the biggest disappointment EU had in a long fucking time. Can't express in words how disgusted i am with them and their choices.

narqaz · 3時間前

Following a rigorous Spring Split with practice, scrims and official games for 10+ hours a day, 6 days a week for 3 months straight, it was important for the mental state of our players to be allowed to take some time away from the game...

fuck off. what do you think the other teams will say about this? you think they did not practice 10+ hours a day for 3 month straight? this attitude just shows what separates the west and the korean teams: the koreans are always winning because they want to win no matter what and always practice no matter what! as long as the west does not change their attitude the korean dominance will continue

sielundan · 3時間前

fuck off ocelote

fourmi · 3時間前

what poor excuses, visa problem for korean players to go in bootcamp korea???

Even some team that didn't go to MSI practice in korea (TSM)... They should just shut up, and take all the shit they deserve.

Aishateeler · 3時間前

G2 wasn't sure about visas. Meanwhile clg started working on getting xmithies visa the second they found out where MSI would be. TSM even has been working their butts off to get leffen a visa for melee. NA management.

paoloking · 4時間前

If their players feel tired after 3 months playing and they want vacation before important tournament, they should probably not play professionally of try real job. This G2 attitude is embarrassing.

NoFlameofc · 4時間前

Even as a massive EU fan I want these fucks too get smashed by turkey for embarrassing our region. Sick of this ego certain players have in EU that they don't think we can beat Korea so they are fine getting a pay check and a free trip to Shanghai, go fuck yourself G2, the OG players and anyone else defending them.

xJakuzure · 3時間前

Every other team attending this event trained just as hard if not harder, stop making pathetic excuses G2.

BusinessCashew · 3時間前

12 of those are before MSI, so spending that time practicing against Challenger level teams would have been detrimental towards our level of play for MSI, leading into to the Summer Split and the ultimate challenge; the World Championship.

Considering G2 is playing like a challenger level team, I don't believe this.

leaguesolo · 3時間前

If you have Visa issues & can't get good practice from Europe either, that's when you decline the invitation & offer it for the 2nd best team in Europe.

Is this disrespect from G2 for other teams competing at the MSI, thinking they would get top 4 without a doubt?

Is this disrespect from G2 for other European teams who are hungry for the international experience & would work their hardest to have best possible showing for their region at MSI?

Is this G2 just being fine with 6th or 5th place finish at MSI, are they attending only for the publicity?

Whatever the reason is, its disgrace.

They still can turn it around, but honestly I don't think I even want them to secure 1st pool for Europe, I hope they end up getting the worst possible seeding for Europe, so other top European teams in the future won't make the same mistakes.

And yeah, hindsight 20/20, I remember hearing about them taking break before this tournament, I didn't right away think it would be so bad, but then again, I thought they would start practicing like at least week before tournament starting.

Reimerstang · 3時間前

if G2 was HUNGRY for results the same way Darshan was, there would be no vacation.

Eorel · 3時間前

I have never been more ashamed to be an EU player than now. Except maybe for S4 Worlds.

G2 better turn it around.

BeRandomInLOL · 2時間前

I find it funny when e-sports is so desperate to be taken seriously like real sports but then white something like this. Compared to real sports your practice and effort is a joke and you don't see them writing how burned they feel after 3 months. 3 months of bo1 and you are burned from sitting on your rear end in front of PC?!?!?! In any sport this would be unacceptable, you would be left with an empty stadium and get punished by the fans. And I'm really sad knowing PerkZ comes from a country that values sport so highly and dies for their teams and he went on with this bringing shame to G2 brand and whole region. If Croatian football player would have done that they would be crucified by fans.
If you have no interest in MSI then forfeit your place to second seed, I guess you have no interest in Korean soloQ too, or scrims with top teams in world.

And this is why Ocelote will always fail. You got lucky one split, it won't happen in the next.

Syklon5 · 4時間前

Some poor excuses, pretty late and pretty lame.

hkgboy · 2時間前

I wont support G2 ever from now on because of their disrespectful and unprofessional attitude.

SilverSoul24AG · 2時間前

G2 is still in a period of time where it is important that they make a name for themselves and this is pretty much the worst thing that can happen. This was their chance to gain loads of fans by performing well and showing yourself to loads of people all over the world. Because of this I can imagine they loose quite some fans and this is just bad PR for your brand.

AddictiaGER · 4時間前

poor excuses all around, really hope this attitude will have serious consequences for G2. Like other EU teams agreeing to no longer scrim them so they dont get a chance to waste a worlds spot for EU.

IPendulumI · 3時間前

Yes, players did go home on break, but they all kept their mechanics on par by practicing individually before heading to Shanghai.

oh yes we all see how well it went. lame excuses, so typical of Ocelote. They brought shame to EU, which was considered the 2nd best region in the world and now we show up like wildcard region. also this laziness will cost us worlds seeding. I'm so furious about this!

Readerrr · 4時間前

There's literally nothing they can say now, the situation is shit and they don't deserve to leave the group stage.

III_Cloud_III · 4時間前

Although i see where they are going with theese statements, I still think G2 has to take this as a job insted of an hobby.

Yes it's true that the players might need a break but other teams doesn't need it, why? because they take E-sport as a job, and not a hobby where you can just take it easy from time to time and not deliver on what you should achive. As a G2 fan I feel ashamed on thier performence so far at MSI, the organisation should have taken this more serious.

Also making the excuse that there was lack of scrimming partners is kinda BS when they can all go to korea and scrim against the team in the promotion round, and even then, the other teams seem to have been able to find scrim partners, how is G2 then unable to?

Sorry for bad english, I'm not a native speaker.

Stumblebee · 3時間前

Still doesn't forgive the fact that this was a massive mis-step by them. I totally get the purpose and benefits of a brain break, but they went about it aaaaalllllll wrong.

woodbuck · 2時間前

I believe and take the staff that has worked with them daily's word that the a vacation might have been the best option for the team after the EU LCS playoffs. I am sure the players were exhausted, close to burn out, and needed a break or else they would have regressed even more...

BUT, the issue is the three months before that. The 60+ hour weeks where I am sure the players played solo q or watched VODs of Korea during the time not officially practicing with the team. Practice and training needs to be balanced with rest/free time (forced if necessary) that will allow the players to maintain a intense training regime. Practices also need to be made more efficient. They need to plan much better and be thinking way ahead. A better support staff may be necessary. Having more people assisting and actually being talents enough to understand how to conduct training/practice or their task, the less the players need to do and the more efficiently everything can run.

Professional traditional sport teams put in similar hours for much longer periods of times. If these teams/players want to be viewed at a similar level, it is imperative they learn to deal with preventing burn out as part of their regular routine. I don't fault G2 in particular, I think this is a problem with a majority of e-sports teams... Too few resources put toward support staffs, too many coaches who don't know what they are doing (and too few options in real quality support staff), too many players who aren't open to changing their normal regimens (probably because they have had so many coaches who don't know what they are doing telling them what to do)... There are only a few teams that have begun to take steps in the right direction and have a basic understanding.

AuregaX · 2時間前

Does this mean they will take a vacation before worlds if they qualify?

Dezsire · 2時間前

As a european i hope they don't even make worlds , because i mean they blew their chance to get some good international experience and they seem very unprofessional about it like giving excuses such as "we went on vacation"

bearofmoka · 3時間前

What the fuck is this statement even supposed to do? EVERY team practices for 10 hours a day. What do you think CLG did after winning the NA LCS? To be honest, when you are first/second in the region for so long and you know where MSi is going to be held, why not apply for the visas in advance?

This statement is just extremely disrespectful to every team in competitive play since G2 are trying to imply they have worked so hard that they deserved a break. Saying they could gain no scrim partners in Europe is obvious, and also shows a lack of foresight. Why not go to Korea, where you can scrim Korean, Chinese and Taiwan teams? Ever, Kongdoo etc would still be a greater challenge than anything you meet in EUW solo queue.

Basically, this statement is an org trying to hide behind "our players worked so hard they deserved time with their family". Sure, they do but this is a job and when you're representing an entire region (really dumb incentive from Riot btw), you need to be performing.

wambleeska · 4時間前

Guaranteed FNC would of shown up here at MSI, Deilor would have them working around the clock. They would of been a lot more determined and motivated to represent Europe.

CreatIp · 3時間前

Does G2 even know how visa works ? EUROPEAN CITIZENS DONT NEED VISAS TO GO TO KOREA FOR A SHORT STAY

OMGitsMei · 3時間前

I love G2, I really do, but this is just a sad excuse. Did the management really did not believe on the capacity of the players to win the Spring Split? :/

Snowstormzzz · 3時間前

It's almost like it's their job to play this game professionally or something.

Oh wait.

meltedanchovies · 3時間前

Hopefully they'll learn from their mistakes. Too bad this learning process will probably fuck EU at Worlds.

Quuadra · 3時間前

They're just .. full of excuses :\

Niomode · 3時間前

I do not know what I expected from a team that is owned by Ocelote and coahced by Youngbuck..too many losers lol..I just hope they won't represent EU again, cause their mentality as a team and as an organization atm, is a joke.

NAsianLCS · 3時間前

G2 would have won IEM / G2 would have won IEM / G2 would have won IEM / G2 would have won IEM / G2 would have won IEM / G2 would have won IEM / G2 would have won IEM / G2 would have won IEM / G2 would have won IEM / G2 would have won IEM / G2 would have won IEM / G2 would have won IEM / G2 would have won IEM / G2 would have won IEM

you fuking embarassment for EU, #bringbackFNATIC

Ravenhelm · 3時間前

That's fucking bullshit, every region has trained hard for spring split and has trained hard for MSI. G2 is a fucking dishonor to EU.

forzainternl · 2時間前

G2 a complete embarassment to EU Fans and the EU Scene they should be fined, I repeat, they should be fined.

DieHardFanBoy · 2時間前

G2 doesn't deserve to represent a region at all. They have the wrong mentality for this, they don't even deserve to be called professionals at this point. The fact that they're saying they lost because they didn't practice is embarrassing for EU as a region in whole. How can a professional call that an excuse? Unbelievable that G2's mid tried to claim that they could beat SKT after watching their finals and that Korean mids aren't better than EU mids when G2 didn't even practice.

remotay1 · 2時間前

Is it really that hard to play video games for 10 hours a day? I do Telemarketing 10 hours a day 6 times a week so fuck off Ocelote.

Doctapown · 1時間前

Only excuses. But EU is now what NA was last year. Even SuperMassive is performing better than G2. Im ashamed that EU is represented by bunch of monkeys on this tournament. Thank you G2, you had your vacations, the price is that EU looks like boosted thrash region.

rivaldeu · 4時間前

Can we all agree to not let G2 play in international tournaments anymore? With this mentality, they disrespect the European region and their teams.

Lloydzy2 · 4時間前

This is a total shit show.

burnthewitch9 · 3時間前

They should have just not said anything about it again after the first time. Just making themselves look worse.

Snazzyv2 · 3時間前

This mentality is PRECISELY the problem. I wasn't aware G2 were the only team to practice for 10+ a day. I hope this serves as a wake up call, not just to G2 but any other team that would be foolish enough to do something so arrogant.

Paynes · 3時間前

They act as if they practice harder than any other team, that clearly doesn't show. Actually it shows how unprepared and immature they are. As someone from EU I would've preferred FNC or OG, heck even H2K over G2, they have no international experience and they clearly showed they don't value this opportunity to play internationally, representing their region.

MalkinoEU · 3時間前

TL;DR: We won EULCS boyz, party time! BTW what's MSI? Naaah, this thing can wait, what could go wrong, we won Europe right...

Kirea · 3時間前

What a pr nightmare...maybe the entire organisation should take a vacation and leave playing league to the big boys.

Vaxall2 · 3時間前

This in a whole shows how unprefessional G2 is, as an organization you have to plan ahead. You were first seed in the regular split, so you expect to have high chances to win and to go to MSI. So you plan ahead for this, get your visas, find scrim partners and get everything together. Or you do not go at all.

Lenticious · 3時間前

Not only is management/PR failing, they're also managing to lose fans/get people to not like them as a new org. Wow.

It's like they're preparing us for a loss against SUP, the wildcard team lol

MyCaptin · 3時間前

Lol what a fucking joke of a statement. On top of the poor grammar (whoever wrote this is fkin dumb as fk) they literally have no good reason on why they chose to take a break other than being exhausted or some shit. some next level johns from eu

Pellaeon112 · 3時間前

Typical bullshit pr statement.

dracpingu · 3時間前

Gosh, EU memes...

Marzet · 3時間前

What triggers me the most: "We are greatly honored to be representing our region at this tournament and we are doing our best to improve each game, and make our fans and Europe proud despite the hard difficulty of making it through". Yes, think about that for a second. You represent an entire region in this international event and you go into the event thinking you will do good without training. You're just shaming the EULCS. I would rather have a team who actually cared play at MSI instead of these arrogant jerks in G2.

PM_ME_DIANA_RULE34 · 3時間前

We are greatly honored to be representing our region at this tournament and we are doing our best to improve each game, and make our fans and Europe proud despite the hard difficulty of making it through.

bullshit and tons of lies

if you are honored then you should practice/prepare for MSI not derp and relax.

You ashamed whole EU region >.< If G2 won't win every other game from now on then they shouldn't even go back to Europe for their own safety :^)

Leiox · 3時間前

Yeh cause G2 is obviously the only team who practices 10 hours a day for 3 months. Weak fucking excuse.
You wanna be a pro? You fucking practice close to 24/7/365, no excuses.

AmumusBestFriend · 3時間前

Well, for your "chilltime", you lost a lot. Not only the msi, but also the respect of many people and, im pretty sure, a lot of fans too.

tehtiny · 3時間前

Go fuck yourself G2/Ocelote!

10 hours is literally a normal person's daily job and it is nothing special!

you guys are a bunch of whimps and just a great shame to our region

Fredde1909 · 3時間前

only 10+ hours a day? thats cute. We wanna compete with Korea. you are guys are the number1 team in EU. so pls practice harder. 16+ hours would be cool

youre_byeongshin · 3時間前

This statement is only making things worse.

jhessEesmyth · 3時間前

Between the final day in Rotterdam and the start of the summer split the team have 23 days. 12 of those are before MSI, so spending that time practicing against Challenger level teams would have been detrimental towards our level of play for MSI, leading into to the Summer Split and the ultimate challenge; the World Championship.

I don't really understand the math of what they are trying to say here. The last day of Rotterdam was April 17. The first day of MSI was May 4. That's 17 days. The first day of Summer Split is June 2. That's 46 days.

Do they mean days available for practice? Maybe if you call it days of practice and account for travel days/time differences, it comes somewhere close to what they are talking about, but I don't really get it.

I would've understood if they took 1 week off while they worked on travel arrangements/visa issues, but boot camping in Korea for a week would've at least made some amount of sense if they felt like they wouldn't have gotten any good practice in Europe.

niv77 · 3時間前

G2 - Shame of Europe

Semikatyri · 2時間前

Hope they get shit on so hard by fans that they retire, atleast they could vacate in peace

Fredde1909 · 2時間前

fuck G2. so sad.

Xiroshq · 2時間前

idiots... it's embarrassing

butthe4d · 2時間前

Yeah fuck your PR bullshit.

feareg · 2時間前

if something, this announcement just makes it even worse. typical oce

LE_KURDE · 2時間前

This is just some PR Bullshit. They are the shame of Europe.

If you go to an international tournament in order to get some "vacations", just fuck off and send a team that at least wants to win.

Tadiken · 2時間前

I wish Fnatic went to MSI.

23drag · 2時間前

lol you should just disband the team after this shitty msi performance heck giants would of been a better showing than this shit storm of a team.

DILIPEK · 2時間前

G2 just did what nobody expected ... they've lost to NA, there is nothing we can do now sorry G2 but right now you r the only org in EU that i dont like, thanks to ur performance europe will have shit placements during worlds love it.

VitalBlade · 2時間前

" good scrim results before day 1 , hope it translates onto the stage " well it surely didnt

Mu-jang · 2時間前

G2 experiencing what LGD experienced. Community backlash.

Thejewishpeople · 2時間前

If this were any other organization, I'd feel bad for them. But it's G2, and Ocelote deserves this.

Cerberob90 · 2時間前

I read bullshit.

KoffinCat · 2時間前

That's just flimsy. Why wouldn't you practice as hard as you can to perform at MSI when a worlds seed is on the line. >.> Come on, now.

Catersu · 2時間前

We are greatly honored to be representing our region at this tournament and we are doing our best to improve each game, and make our fans and Europe proud despite the hard difficulty of making it through.

LOL. This is fucking hilarious. Fuck off G2

Romu- · 2時間前

Who cares it's same or even worse for every other team. It's not like Korean or Chines team's don't practice and play every week and they had even shorter break compered to EU and NA.

GrimWeepa · 2時間前

Tacky ass PR move here. G2 is about 3 losses away from costing Europe their #1seed at world . Hope giving the players time off was worth that. Screwed your whole region.

r3b3l10ns · 2時間前

pathetic , g2 shame of eu

rentonB · 2時間前

Ocelote was always bad with PR. This statement doesnt improve the situation at all. I agree that the Summer Split start way too early but that is no excuse at all, if you want to become a World Champion one day, you need to play like Koreans.

FuryII · 2時間前

please super massive just body these fools

onYn · 2時間前

This has to be the biggest joke in international e- and regular sports I ever witnessed. I haven´t known that such stupidity, ignorance and arrogance (all or combinations of them) in such a "professional" setting - it is so earthshattering, I feel that my view on the world and life has shifted a little. Wao.

cyberpc · 2時間前

G2 = EU DISGRACE... if you want to go on vacation you might aswell have let Fnatic or Origen to go.

gaamcap · 2時間前

Regarding the Visa "issue". Every Schengen citizen can stay up to 90 days in South Korea, without the need for any visa.

Just a straight up lie, a feeble attempt to justify their capital mistake which will cost G2's popularity in Europe.

If I wanted, I could fly now to Seoul, and rant alongside Monte and Papa until early August, without ANY legal problems.

EDIT: For the ones saying that PerkZ would need a visa (as he is from Croatia), check this

MolitoGaming · 2時間前

g 2 hell

Aegisx12 · 2時間前

Sorry my ass. Fukin a whole region because of dumb excuses. If you make vacation then send another team. Lost a lot of respect to G2 and the players. If it were Chinese community you guys would have gone way harder down then LGD.

remotay1 · 2時間前

You guys are really complaining about playing video games for 10 hours? Really...

GridironGrace · 2時間前

a "break" when your gonna represent your region in something like this is.. 2-3 days, 4 MAYBE.. then u get back at it to learn the new patch and not look like a wild card team of Diamond 2's. I mean you have taken all the fun outta NA beating you.

Sincerely, A disappointed LoL Fan.

V-Zam · 2時間前

You can go to Korea bootcamping regardless of result of the Playoffs. Look what all NA teams are doing. G2 ARE U FCKIN KIDDIN ME? NO EXCUSES. NO no noooinonononnono. All will laugh at EU because your work ethic is bronze. No wonder korea is winning. The reason FNC was so good us because they were working hard. Same for OG. Such a shame for EU to get represented by G2

Pabbom · 2時間前

All teams have that kind of intense schedule for that period of time. Only G2 felt like taking a holiday was the best option. It is a joke that now all of Europe is suffering because G2 didn't have the motivation to keep training together.

rommie7 · 2時間前

I really hope they get relegated next split.

Davis87 · 2時間前

all teams keep tryhard and want play good in MSI, but g2 just shame eu region. I am sure if fnatc or origen win lcs - they do fine in MSI.

psfrtps · 2時間前

Please kick out this org from LCS. Their statement is even worse than what they did lol

LCSLandscape · 2時間前

Nope. An extremely weak response which doesn't help their case at all. This is what professional League players do for the most part. Long hours of practice throughout the split to get the opportunity at international competition. To go into that without being willing to practice as a team just feels like huge disrespect towards their own fans as well as EU in general given what is at stake for this MSI in particular. The backlash may be bad now but if they don't get a top 4 finish then it's going to be significantly worse.

Jmblt · 2時間前

why do you think practising against challenger teams is worse then doing nothing before a big event? that makes no sense

howjewdoin · 2時間前

Well G2 say goodbye to whatever small fanbase you ever had a chance at. Perks will now be one of the most hated players in EU. Can't have that attitude if you can't back it up.

MoaiGG · 1時間前

If you prefer to sit after LCS just let another team go to MSI.

pushkar000 · 1時間前

This was a big PR mistake. G2 shouldn't have even bothered making one in the first place. Don't listen to scrubs who can only talk smack on reddit from the comfort of their chairs.

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