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Metanarchism Request Thread (self.Anarchism)

emma-_______oppressor of cis people が 投稿 - stickied post

/r/metanarchism went private a few weeks ago because of brigades. It's been relatively inactive since then. We'd like get it active again and fill it up with anyone interested in voting on how /r/Anarchism is run.

Post here requesting to get in and we'll add you. We're adding anarchists who's been active on this sub for at least a few months, so almost anyone here should get in if they want.

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[–]negroyverde- Bookchinsux 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

I say delete it. It's always been a cesspool as long as I've been around. Any post is downvoted to hell, there is no discussion, and it's full of trolls. The AOP is done, we all get it, and that's the only job of the mods here. If there is any serious meta issue, a thread could be posted here.

[–]burgundybeanieConquest of Memes 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

This, please.

[–]ravencrowed 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

support abolishing meta.

[–]mutualSuede_ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Support.

Meta makes me reconsider my stance on fascism.

[–]passwordisaccorded 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

uh... please make it public again. you shouldn't allow my account access to anything privileged, but i want access...

[–]ItLiesInTheProles 13ポイント14ポイント  (13子コメント)

So is this a one time thing? How will users continually get access or get added to the moderation?

More importantly what does meta actually do? Seems like points on Who's Line Is It Anyway, points and scores don't matter people do whatever the fuck they want anyways.

[–]WhoIsSuzyCreamcheeseagainst everything 23ポイント24ポイント  (16子コメント)

Open it fucking public. That has been the overwhelming response every time this gets posted, and you are clearly unable to see how unpopular meta and its policies are from your position inside it.

[–]Voltairinede 2ポイント3ポイント  (15子コメント)

If its reopened will people actually participate? Or will it be filled with SRD trolls like previously?

[–]punkswcleankitchensexistentialist 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

How about open it up and actually moderate it

[–]FreddyBananas 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sync removes people who do lol

[–]WhoIsSuzyCreamcheeseagainst everything 5ポイント6ポイント  (12子コメント)

I mean, I obviously have no fucking clue. It's hard to tell or speculate with it locked, isn't it? Maybe we should just make it open, as it was for several years without any drama of this level...

[–]Voltairinede 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

Maybe we should just make it open

So be clear, this thread literally exists because I complained about meta being closed in meta.

as it was for several years without any drama of this level...

Erm, what? Meta has had constant drama for yeeeeeeeeeeears

[–]WhoIsSuzyCreamcheeseagainst everything -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

Good for you? Why are you disagreeing with me? Since I can't access meta how would I know this?

It had drama, but not a sustained closing for this length of time. I absolutely do not think there has been a meta blowup of this magnitude before - feel free to provide me with examples. I am not denying that there has been long-term drama; I've used it very often with other accounts. Not of this level.

[–]YouMadeMeDumber 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I absolutely do not think there has been a meta blowup of this magnitude before - feel free to provide me with examples.

There was the shit storm that started met@

http://dbzer0.com/blog/i-survived-ranarchisms-shitstorm-of-2010-and-i-didnt-even-get-a-lousy-t-shirt/

http://dbzer0.com/blog/the-ranarchism-shitstorm-flares-up-again-round-three/

[–]Voltairinede 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why are you disagreeing with me?

I'm not disagreeing, I just really want there to be actual participation in meta.

ANd I don't think meta going private is that dramatic.

[–]justcallcollect -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

The closing is not the drama, the drama is what caused the closing.

[–]WhoIsSuzyCreamcheeseagainst everything 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Drama caused the closing (it wasn't even a particularly dramatic incident, considering the constant banning/unbanning/rebanning of celebrity users that meta obsesses over). There was an attempt to reopen. It has remained closed, creating an ongoing drama. Pedants.

[–]justcallcollect -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

The particular incident was a brigade, from my understanding

[–]WhoIsSuzyCreamcheeseagainst everything 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I...I know? I just don't think it was even a particularly high level of drama for meta to be altered for, especially given that their regular activities includes high-drama banning and unbanning. Brigading is near-constant in meta, and has been for a very long time.

[–]justcallcollect 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Right, which is one reason I think it makes sense to keep it closed. It kind of defeats the purpose of the sub if there is constant trolling traffic from non r/@ users

[–]Commujism 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think that the meta should be public, and that both vanguardism and majority rule are antithetical to the goals of anarchism.

[–]Voltairinede 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

What is the alternative to majority rule on meta?

[–]negroyverde- Bookchinsux 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Deletion of meta and acceptance of the fact that mods are just janitors who delete blatantly racist/sexist/fascist trolling.

[–]WhoWouldHaveThunk1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait you want mods to actually moderate?

ugh

[–]dankcommiemaymays-Maoist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's authoritarian! \s

[–]BMRGould 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have you ever used meta when it was public? Most people here do not. So it ends up being a number of active users, and a bunch of drama brigades.

People who are eligible to vote can still get access. It's just not an instant access for new accounts and trolls.

It's for users of Anarchism, why would it need to be public, instead of just actual users get access?

[–]Byzan-Teen 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I used to be around fairly often before it went private, but had to delete my account for privacy reasons. I'd like to be in, but I understand if you say no considering the circumstances.

[–]emma-_______oppressor of cis people[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you want to send me a private message with your previous username I might be able to add you, otherwise you'll have to wait a few months.

[–]punkswcleankitchensexistentialist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's been relatively inactive since then.

color me surprised

[–]linuxuser86 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would like to be added, but I think it's really wrong and undemocratic to have it closed.

[–]ghastly1302 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

May I have access? I would like to participate.

[–]therndoby 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd like to be added.

[–]emma-_______oppressor of cis people[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Added.

[–]anawantsana, transhumanist, pansexual, curious 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'd like to be added, though I have not been here for a few months.

[–]punkswcleankitchensexistentialist -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry its too important and super secret to let just anybody read

lmao

[–]sync0pate -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Just wait a couple months and we'll add you in.

[–]anawantsana, transhumanist, pansexual, curious 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's ok. I understand the reasoning, but I don't agree with making it private. If enough "trusted" people get in and volunteer for moderation, would you folks reconsider?

[–]sync0pate 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

What do you mean, volunteer for moderation? Moderation has never been the problem.

[–]anawantsana, transhumanist, pansexual, curious 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sorry, I misunderstood your post. I thought "/r/metanarchism went private a few weeks ago because of brigades." meant vandalism, fights or something like it.

What does "brigades" mean here? People being dickheads?

[–]sync0pate 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Voting brigades.

Large groups of people coming from other subs upvoting/downvoting comments, makiing votes on proposals when they're not entitled, and harassing users in PM.

There are a lot of things that moderators don't have any power to stop.

[–]anawantsana, transhumanist, pansexual, curious 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see. Thank you for the explanation.

[–]Chekkmate 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd like one unit of access, please.

[–]emma-_______oppressor of cis people[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Added!

[–]YouMadeMeDumber 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I would like to be added, short of making the sub public again.

[–]ComradeBoopsSisters Not Cisters 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Request. Gimme back my popcorn feed.

[–]therndoby -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

To people saying it should just be opened again, I think we have to admit that the brigading was a problem. Treating r/@ like a group of friends doesn't work, since we really don't know who is coming by. A local anarchist community works mainly on common trust. I don't think people start many anarchist organizations without everybody being vouched for by someone else, till you have established a web of trust.

What I would push for would be for r/met@ to be visible, but to post and vote there is some minimal selection process. Not to make sure you are a "true" anarchist, but to make sure you are not a troll. It would be nice if the selection process could be streamlined by a bot.

What i'm thinking of here is that at Wobblie meeting, any one can sit in, but only dues paying members can vote. If we are going to treat r/@ as an anarchist community, then I think creating an anarchist organizational structure is key. I think a free for all also creates an atmosphere of distrust and could lead to infighting.

That's my two cents anyway

[–]punkswcleankitchensexistentialist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was already the case that only long time users could vote on proposals

[–]WhoWouldHaveThunk1 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Hey its the main broh, synco knows who I am.

[–]InPraiseOfIdleness 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

would like to be added, please.

[–]TheWorldTreeWithers▶ /r/Communalists 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Add me pls

[–]Striker115syndicalist 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Would like to be added as well

[–]emma-_______oppressor of cis people[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Added.

[–]jmoso13T R U E N E G A T I V I S T 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd like to be added

[–]emma-_______oppressor of cis people[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Added.

[–]G-snap 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Add me pls

[–]emma-_______oppressor of cis people[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Added.

[–]tripleyump 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Request

[–]Sachyrielcontagious hallucinogen 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I want to see meta again.

[–]emma-_______oppressor of cis people[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Added.

[–]Skillfulturtl3//Anarcho-communist 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'd like to be added please.

[–]emma-_______oppressor of cis people[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Added.

[–]Skillfulturtl3//Anarcho-communist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you.

[–]dankcommiemaymays-Maoist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would like to be added

[–]Godyssey& space-syndicalist, filthy advocate of scientism -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Request

[–]emma-_______oppressor of cis people[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Added.