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Poachers' weapons confiscated in Northern Europe [album] (imgur.com)

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[–]Bartman38318 195ポイント196ポイント  (42子コメント)

Even poachers are concerned about chronic hearing damage. What a thoughtful group.

[–]2-cents 126ポイント127ポイント  (41子コメント)

Fun fact! One of the reasons suppressors are hard to obtain in the US compared to other countries is that in the depression the government was worried about people using them to poach.

Prior to that people could order them out of magazines.

This is one of the reasons we have to jump through so many hoops today in order to obtain one.

Edit: a lot of people are asking for a reference. Here is a link to the 3min commercial for the documentary that stated it. I couldn't find a whole episode.

http://www.downrange.tv/blog/on-midway-usas-gun-stories-the-history-of-suppressors/35707/

If anyone can find the whole episode let us know it's definitely worth the watch.

[–]ChopperIndacar 13ポイント14ポイント  (36子コメント)

Got a citation for that?

[–]jeffco555 70ポイント71ポイント  (29子コメント)

Every anti suppressor argument ever made when the discussion of legalizing them during hunting starts up in state houses.

These people dont realize that crossbows are even quieter.

[–]GearGuy2001 50ポイント51ポイント  (14子コメント)

Ok well we need to put sirens on crossbows so that people know when they are being fired. /s

[–]Azara1th 30ポイント31ポイント  (13子コメント)

Don't you go giving them any ideas... Even sarcastically, they've been known to go with dumber ones!

[–]OMGimaDONKEY 13ポイント14ポイント  (10子コメント)

but think of the children

[–]CantHearYou 27ポイント28ポイント  (4子コメント)

fine, sirens on them too.

[–]thatsecondmatureuser 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

If you were really worried about the children they'd require a background check to obtain them

[–]CannibalVegan 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The right to bear children should be infringed.

[–]CantHearYou 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Honestly, that's an excellent idea.

[–]downvotemeufags 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What are children, basically walking/shitting/puking sirens anyway?

[–]Azara1th 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

That argument drives me up the wall...

[–]masta 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I heard back in world-war era, somebody started using whistles on the bombs so they screeched as they fell towards their targets on ground. They were terrifying, the whistle sounds getting louder, doppler shifting, until boom!

I could easily see the same effect for modern crossbow fights, if the world ever came to that form of warfare.

[–]Trollshroud 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

They make those for compound and recurve shooting for target practice I think. Also the Mongols used those for intimidation. They exist, but not for hunting. Notifying your prey that you're coming is a bad idea.

[–]ChopperIndacar 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

It sounded to me like he was referring to the NFA. Lots of people say poaching was part of the discussion in forming the NFA. So I usually ask if they have a source because I'm not aware of any record of what was discussed.

[–]schmag 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

it wasn't necessarily poaching game. it was poaching cattle, which was a relative problem at the time, and still to a point today, I hear of it mostly with bows though nowadays.

[–]sectorfour 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably because it's a lot easier to take game with a scoped rifle than it is with a crossbow. A deer can be taken from hundreds of yards with a rifle, whereas a crossbow requires you to get much closer (silently).

[–]w2tpmf 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Aren't crossbows illegal to hunt with in a lot of places?

[–]arcsecond 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think a poacher cares.

[–]EvMund 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

in fact, I'm pretty sure that's an entry level requirement for poachers

[–]w2tpmf 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not referencing poachers.

/u/jeffco555 said crossbows are quieter in reference to government discussion about the legality of suppressors.

I was just saying that both the suppressor and the crossbow are illegal in places.

[–]pwny_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why would a crossbow be banned if regular compound bows aren't? It's the same operating principle, right?

[–]sectorfour 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oddly enough, crossbows are considered a firearm by fish and game in California.

[–]lolsrsly00 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/4hu6vw/poachers_weapons_confiscated_in_northern_europe/d2sj8m6

[–]Bennyboy1337 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not OP, but I've been searching all over online, and Googles book search for anything based around the National Firearms Act which regulated suppressors; and I can't find any source backing up his claim.

This research paper made a comment on the matter

The 1934 congressional debates provide no explanation about why silencers were licensed. Paulson (1996:10) opines that during the Great Depression, poaching game was thought to be a problem and silencers were licensed because of this concern.

So the debate transcripts never discussed why silencers/suppressors were added to the bill. I don't have access to Paulson's book Silencers: History and Performance, but I would be curious to see if he has an actual source for his claim, or simply decided the explanation made sense in his head, and decided to use it.

[–]2-cents -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Check the edit. It's the best I can do on mobile. Like I said earlier I heard it on a documentary.

Outdoor channel Midway USA

[–]2-cents 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm at work. I remember seeing it on a show about the history of suppressors. The narrator was old guy from the show criminal minds. I will see if I can find it later.

It was a good documentary

[–]TheGoldenCaulk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you could buy Maxim's original suppressor for something like $8.50 when it was first invented

[–]captain_craptain 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://americansuppressorassociation.com/ Let's change those shit rules and make it so we can order them out of a magazine again.

[–]SoupOrSaladToss 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh shit its the guy from Baby's Day Out

Classic

[–]Bennyboy1337 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't find any actual source for this, do you mind sharing yours? Seems to make sense, but I've been digging around on Google and all I can find is several pro-second amendment pages with the quote, but no source. It appears the silencer part of the National Firearms act was added last minute, but I can't find any reasons as to why.

[–]highvelocitythings 81ポイント82ポイント  (47子コメント)

How is Italy northern Europe?

[–]jacksmachiningreveng1[S] 45ポイント46ポイント  (4子コメント)

"The Northern part of Southern Europe" would have been more accurate.

[–]Bartman38318 14ポイント15ポイント  (32子コメント)

It's the title on the Imgur album. He can't change that because it probably isn't his.

[–]jacksmachiningreveng1[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (27子コメント)

That's my imgur account. Edited the title for the sake of clarity.

[–]Bartman38318 2ポイント3ポイント  (23子コメント)

Gotcha.

[–]f0rcedinducti0n 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's cold in northern Italy. So much so in the Italian Alps, recent global warming has caused a thaw revealing frozen World War I corpses and weapons...

Maybe it's not the most northern part of Europe, but it's north to some one.

[–]highvelocitythings 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

That's cool (not the global warming part). Any links on this. I'd like to read more on this.

[–]jacksmachiningreveng1[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-one/10562017/Melting-glaciers-in-northern-Italy-reveal-corpses-of-WW1-soldiers.html

[–]highvelocitythings 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you.

[–]CaptainAnon 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

HOW FUCKING DARE YOU POST THAT SITE. YOU DIDN'T MAKE THAT, YOU DON'T WORK AT TELEGRAPH SO YOU CAN'T POST IT ANYWHERE. HOW DARE YOU CLAIM TO REPORT ON GLACIERS WHEN ALL YOU DID WAS STEAL A WEBSITE. KARMAWHORE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

/s

[–]Kadin2048 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/global-warming-is-thawed-out-the-frozen-corpses-of-a-forgotten-wwi-battle

[–]Getzageddon 85ポイント86ポイント  (45子コメント)

Wow, there was even one of those "Stradeveri" guns someone was posting about earlier. Those are like 2500 euros, they can afford one of those but not a hunting license.

[–]Humon 41ポイント42ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've heard of people poaching for the sake of poaching; they consider it exciting, a rush in and of itself. "The forbidden fruit is always more delicious."

It is not always a question of money for some.

[–]swazy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have a friend of a friend who works over there and it is about the $ for him they can make big bucks selling wild game.

[–]iceph03nix 37ポイント38ポイント  (0子コメント)

Poaching is more than just without a license, It could include:

  • hunting out of season
  • hunting on land without permission or that doesn't allow hunting period
  • Hunting an animal that is protected

None of those necessarily have to do with being poor, and if they're after protected animals, they may in fact be of fairly high means.

[–]jacksmachiningreveng1[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (27子コメント)

I came across these while looking for images of the Stradivari.

[–]SpywareAgen7 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I saw an episode of North Woods Law or something similar and the suspect said "You'll never stop me from hunting." Some people may not be eligible for a hunting license due to prior violations, wish to over-hunt, or hunt for animals out of season / that they aren't allowed to hunt.

[–]Pennstate_rapeteam 47ポイント48ポイント  (7子コメント)

Looks straight out of fallout 4

[–]maj_maj-maj-maj 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

Came here to say this -- the electrical tape grip on what is basically a pipe pistol sent me over the top.

[–]Pennstate_rapeteam 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the short hunting rifles. Crazy.

[–]RoboRay 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm always out of adhesive...

[–]maj_maj-maj-maj 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You can make some at a cooking station -- "vegetable starch" can be scrapped for 5 adhesives. If you have a little farm and some water, you could open yourself up a little wasteland glue factory.

[–]rangemaster 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just became a water baron. I had so many water purifiers I was selling off the excess and I could literally buy out every vendor.

[–]iammaline 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Grow that shit

[–]xSPYXEx 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what I thought. Looks like a short stock hunting rifle with a medium scope.

Fucking noobs didn't even take gun nut 2 or 3.

[–]jacksmachiningreveng1[S] 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

A series of weapons caches confiscated by various Law Enforcement agencies in Italy and Switzerland. There seems to be a distinct preference for suppressed single shot rifles that can be broken down into smaller units for easier concealment, with one particular example being disguised as a walking stick.

Telescopic sights also appear to be the rule, with plenty of example of sophisticated night vision scopes in evidence.

[–]fuck_da_haes 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

6th picture ... haven't expected Stradivari gun

[–]Killsproductivity 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

r/Gunnitrust

[–]SwedishFool 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Middle and south Europe. Italy and Switzerland is nowhere near the north.

[–]Deerwhacker 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

That poor poor XP-100. You deserved better..

[–]cthulhudarren 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

k31 represent!

[–]jsimkus 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course they were poaching, GP11 isn't cheap.

[–]tjandearl -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Neither are the rifles anymore, every time any surplus comes in it seems the same 3 people buy them and toss them on gunbroker @ 600 a pop for very rough damaged rifles anymore :(

I wanted one last year but I was saving for a house, now that I have the means I can't justify spending that much for a 100 year old milsurp that isn't an M1 garand, which you can get for that price... I'd just buy more garands.

[–]Katapesh_Express 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

What game were they poaching?

[–]foods_that_are_round 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why....why do I want some of these?

[–]TheGarp 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

K31 for when they actually want to hit their target.

[–]ByeNight -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Walnut even. Ugh. I hate these fuck bags even more.

[–]arj1985 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

What a fantastic album. Thank you for sharing.

[–]ssh3p 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

Is picture 10 a breech loading .22 pistol with an enormous scope? What would you hunt with that?

[–]CemestoLuxobarge 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

http://i.imgur.com/Moxqgyu.jpg

The scope isn't that big, and it's got a wire stock so it can be shouldered. 22LRs are used to poach deer with head shots. Poachers aren't hung up on ethics.

[–]Kadin2048 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wouldn't that fuck it up as a trophy? I always assumed people who poached were trophy hunters. What else are they doing it for, the meat? It seems like the grocery store would be cheaper...

[–]DoubleDerpies 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Poaching a deer costs you .10 cents while the equivalent weight in beef/chicken/pork at the store is about $250 or more... You tell me now if the store was the better choice when your kids are starving.

[–]Sneezer 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I seem to recall hearing that the poaching in Europe is for the meat. Gets sold to restaurants, etc. along with many people poaching for their own food. Lots of small birds and other small mammals.

[–]RoboRay 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Collecting trophies to show off as a poacher seems ill-advised.

[–]maswell 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The fearsome and rare Swiss Albino Squirrel.

[–]Glostick -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rabbits, and birds.

Any small game that you might want to hunt out to ~100 yards.

[–]reildawg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have that same game camera. Feels good to use what the "pros" use.

[–]burbur90 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even criminals agree that the K31 needs no modification.

[–]iambecomedeath7 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That first gun is Star Wars as fuck.

[–]uberphaser 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wasn't one of those a Thomson Center/Contender? Those are sweet match guns, no?

[–]JHallPBall 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gun Nut perk fully leveled

[–]Eszharen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who goes hunting with a fucking Rapier?

[–]Number1AbeLincolnFan1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Poachers really hate stocks.

I want a threaded K31 now.

[–]Atamis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was kinda expecting Mexican cartel levels of arms. Quiet the resourceful use to make everything a takedown, though I imagine everyone with one becomes a suspect.

[–]the_battery1 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

what is the gun in the first photo?

[–]jacksmachiningreveng1[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

https://www.reddit.com/r/GunPorn/comments/4hu7bn/suppressed_bolt_action_rifle_confiscated_from_a/d2sdlu8

[–]akmjolnir 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is that one of those Stradivarian fire-cannons?

[–]-Thunderbear- -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Snares, night vision and a game camera? Fuck that guy.

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    [–]jacksmachiningreveng1[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I think those are to show which Law Enforcement unit confiscated the guns.