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Self-proclaimed "Sharia Police" in Germany to stand Trial on the grounds of violating laws against wearing uniforms with political messages (dw.com)

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[–]scamlikenewton 674ポイント675ポイント  (90子コメント)

What's so ironic is that they're being protected by the very rights that they want to take away from others.

[–]LtRicoWang15 [スコア非表示]  (41子コメント)

Dang. That's crazy ironic.

[–]devils_increment [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

Its like rain on your jihad day.

[–]LtRicoWang15 [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

It's a free ride, that Allah already paid.

[–]10minutes_late [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

It's the goat wives, that you just didn't take.

[–]BouquetofDicks [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

And who would have thought, it figures.

[–]AlfLives [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It's like 10,000 lbs. of C4 when all you need is a detonator.

[–]Pickle_ninja [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And Allah has a funny way of helping you out when You think everything's gone wrong and everything blows up In your face.

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          [–]BombastixderTeutone [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streitbare_Demokratie

          Kind of related here. If they get too vocal about their antidemocratic goals, then the german state has a lot of rights to stop them. Problem is that these people do their best to not appear antidemocratic. Also the courts are quite busy currently here and they start prosecuting someone for it only if it's an importnat case

          [–]kerouacrimbaud [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

          That's one of the beauties of liberal democracy and human rights.

          [–]DeathDevilize [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          I mean, youre not allowed to randomly kill murderers either.

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            [–]Skyzolol 1280ポイント1281ポイント  (387子コメント)

            Good. No one should be forced to endure this insufferable sharia BS.

            [–]bacteriaonthecounter [スコア非表示]  (252子コメント)

            whats really sad is the only way germany has to charge them is some law loophole about uniforms and politics

            [–]DistortoiseLP [スコア非表示]  (127子コメント)

            You'd think proclaiming yourself an enforcer of any law, real or not, and acting as such towards other citizens would be rather explicitly illegal. Like would there not be droves of legislation written to deal with gangs and protection rackets and shit that apply to stuff like this?

            Edit: Or stop people pulling off another Wilhelm_Voigt?

            [–]IRSunny [スコア非表示]  (84子コメント)

            You'd think proclaiming yourself an enforcer of any law, real or not, and acting as such towards other citizens would be rather explicitly illegal.

            So basically what I'm getting from this is its entirely legal in Germany to be Batman as long as you don't wear a uniform nor have any symbols on it.

            [–]realfinkployd [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

            That's a dealbreaker for me.

            [–]therealoldgregg [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            Yea I need to wear a bat suit or else its not as cool

            [–]CimmerianX [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Well...Batman without the batsuit is still a billionaire ninja....so ya.

            [–]theblackestbrotha [スコア非表示]  (38子コメント)

            Ah but Batman didn't try enforce a political ideology.

            [–]noncm [スコア非表示]  (34子コメント)

            Isn't batman the Libertarian crusader? Son of billionaires uses money to buy exclusive cars, break laws, and beat up poor people and the mentally ill.

            [–]CrimsonShrike [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

            But he also supports government programs to help the poor and unemployed, investments in infrastructure and hospitals and thinks the common good is above everything else.

            Although that's more bruce wayne. Batman is simply a vigilante inspired by revenge. In "The Red Son" he fights for freedom for instance.

            [–]ridik_ulass [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

            so batman is the stick and bruce wayne is the carrot? seems like a good way to convince people to do anything. "poor? we have help for you, go off the rails, and batman will break your back, but that means your poor and can't work so the wayne foundation will pay welfare to your family and research new techniques in back surgery"

            [–]Shadesbane43 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            In Red Son he was against the government as a whole. I don't think he was necessarily a capitalist, but he was at least against the USSR.

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              [–]ChrisChrisWTF [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

              He was REALLY into charity, though.

              [–]tosser00 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

              I was never really into comic books, but I've seen a few of the movies. I wasn't aware that Batman went around beating up poor people. How did that happen, did he just hide outside soup kitchens and ambush people in the alley or something?

              [–]AL_DENTE_AS_FUCK [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              The goons!

              [–]ProjecTJack [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

              He goes after street level thugs instead of taking on corrupt politicians, nefarious shell companies, etc.

              [–]SimplyQuid [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Well I doubt most of the criminals he wallops are particularly well off

              [–]Richy_T [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              He always turns them over to the state though.

              [–]Postal_operative [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

              beat up poor people and the mentally ill.

              Nice showerthought, comrade ;) won't someone think of the poor people who chose crime and mad geniuses bent on killing people?

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                  [–]anteupblackjack [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                  And if you see someone commit a crime, you have the power to call the police and let them do their job.

                  [–]Techun22 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  "The power to call the police". What a funny sentence.

                  [–]vardytheemperor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  And batmans not wearing hockey pads!

                  [–]Cum_Farm_Manimal [スコア非表示]  (24子コメント)

                  This will create German heroes that don't wear uniforms and protect citizens from Islam.

                  [–]KiwiUzumaki [スコア非表示]  (22子コメント)

                  Yeah if this happened near me I'd be organizing a group of "Sharia police police" to follow these asshats around and stop them from bothering people.

                  [–]Stalking_your_pylons [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  Then they would create "Sharia police police police" and you will have to run quite quickly.

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                    [–]open_door_policy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Well, if all of the outfits are different, can they really be called uniforms?

                    [–]MyLoveHammer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    it cant be a uniform if its only 1 person tho, its a costume

                    a uniform naturally implies uniformity.

                    [–]Untimely_Manner [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Or say legal to be a nazi and say you are SS enforcing the third Reich.

                    [–]anikain [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Except for the hurting people part. And being masked. And carrying weapons.

                    [–]CeterumCenseo85 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Batman carries unregistered weapons (he actually manufacteurs them!) and beats up people, which isn't ok unless you're doing it in self defense or in an "emergency situation" (as the German law calls it) where it's the only solution. But even in emergency situations (that aren't about self defense), beating someone up usually wouldn't fly.

                    If anything, Batman would have a much better chance at getting away with his superhero routine in the US, where they do have bounty hunters and such.

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                      [–]lookmeat [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

                      What about fashion police? Or other similar terms.

                      What you can't do is:

                      • You make it clear you are not police and don't have power.
                      • You don't imprison, harass or attack other people, as these would be considered crimes, especially since there would be no law that permits this (otherwise police would do it).

                      The problem was that probably the latter was happening but there was no proof of it. So it made sense to at least split them and not make them as recognizable.

                      [–]Korashy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                      If all they do is hand out leaflets then that's perfectly fine. It's free speech. However, were they try to enforce any "laws" then they would most certainly be arrested over it. It's really no different than those Westboro Baptist nutjobs you see in the US.

                      [–]fluffstravels [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

                      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shomrim_(neighborhood_watch_group)

                      Edit: just wanna talk a little about this. Hasidic Jews do this in NYC. They basically bully any outsiders who enter their community and have such a large population, law enforcement is afraid to touch them. They're worried the Hasidic community will mobilize and vote them out of office. People in this community are also incredibly hard to prosecute because they will lie for each other. There are plenty of articles on how they get away with it and it's kinda scary a religious community can hold so much clout in a supposedly liberal city.

                      [–]Thesleeperhold [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                      This is a pretty misguided and hateful post. They don't bully anyone. Do you live in NY? Anyone can enter a Hasidic neighborhood like Crown Heights and you would never even know that Shomrim exist. And also, in London

                      In 2013, after the murder of drummer Lee Rigby, and an increase in Hate Crime towards the wider Muslim Community,[72] Stamford Hill Shomrim offered to help the local Muslim Community and keep a watchful eye on local Mosques and Muslim Community Centres[73][74] which was gratefully welcomed by the North London Muslim Community as stated by Eusoof Amerat, a Muslim community advocate in Hackney[75] and commended by Hackney Police Borough Commander.[76] Shomrim also advised the centre on security issues according to Munaf Zeena, the chairman of the North London Muslim Community Centre.[75]

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                          [–]DrFaithfull [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                          It's not an obscure "loophole" law. The German legal system does not have a system of precedent, so there has to be a law for almost everything.

                          [–]andyrocks [スコア非表示]  (54子コメント)

                          How is that a loophole?

                          [–]struds [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                          Not really a loop hole. Being Germany I could see why they have that specific law. They had a little problem with a political party that liked to wear uniforms a few years back.

                          [–]Ztiller1 [スコア非表示]  (23子コメント)

                          To be fair, if that is all they have to charge them with it also means that they have not done anything else. If that is the case, then they have not harrassed, threatened, disturbed, destroyed or in any other way interfered with other peoples lives, which means it's not that big of an issue.

                          Still, i'm glad that Germany is putting down the foot against it.

                          [–]flynnsanity3 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                          It seems from the article that they were charged before they had the chance to actually do anything, which is a relief.

                          [–]Dirt_Bike_Zero [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                          How about impersonating a police officer? Id like to think that it would be illegal to claim you are any type of police. If not, what's to stop anyone from appointing themselves neighborhood police, dog poop police, etc?

                          [–]shemp33 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          In the US, impersonation is a pretty big deal.

                          I would imagine these guys are portraying themselves as "fake" police - not sanctioned by any governmental authority, and posing as legitimate officers could lead to them falsely imprisoning, kidnapping, theft / confiscation of property, and who knows what else.

                          The fact of these guys being radicalized only escalates the importance of getting them to stop doing this asap.

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                              [–]asraniel [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                              From what i understand, the problem was that they did not actually enforce anything. They were just walking around saying they would, but never did. So that made it much more complicated. Its not like they walked around arresting people or anything.

                              [–]sotonohito [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

                              Why? They're just a bunch of sad wankers yelling at people in bars that they should stop drinking. It isn't as if they had any sort of actual power.

                              If they so much as touch someone they're committing criminal assault. They can't arrest people, they can't try people, all they can do is make themselves look like assholes and prejudice everyone against Muslims.

                              The proper response would be to hire some strippers to follow them around naked while eating bacon cheeseburgers, then pointing and laughing at their red faced impotent rage. Hell, I live in Texas and I'd contribute to a German stripper and cheeseburger to mock "Sharia Police" fund.

                              [–]NotSoDrunkenSailor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              So you can't Nick them for Impersonating a police officer, disruption of peace and possible anti social behaviour offence? or under some Counter terrorism act? Now I'm not cop but they sound like charges you could rack up in the UK

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                                [–]DRlulworth [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

                                We do that in Brooklyn. I live in a extremist orthodox jewish neiborhood, unfortunately. They have their own "police", own laws, and basically mirror wahabi types of shariat laws, but here in New York City.

                                [–]SplurgyA [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                We had something similar in Stamford Hill in London, with posters up telling women what side of the road to walk on.

                                I initially took them a bit more seriously than "Sharia Zones" because so far in the UK Sharia Zones have basically just been bored teenagers looking to start shit whereas the Shomrim are basically an organised private police force for Jewish people. It later turned out that the Shomrim are working in conjunction with the police to prevent anti-semitic hate crimes and act as community liasons and don't have special powers or anything to do with the posters, which were put up by a local orthodox group for a parade.

                                [–]Warrior_Runding [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                They have better lobbyists.

                                [–]biseptol [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                How can I violate those "laws"?

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                                  [–]PapaNickWrong [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

                                  Sharia is one of the main facets of the Islamic faith... which acts as much as a system of law as it does a system of religion. I recently finished a series of classes on Islam and I can say wholeheartedly i agree with you. Women who support the caveats (not religion itself) willingly should realize that women are abused around the world in the name of the same "laws" they apparently choose to follow. Think twice about these things people!

                                  [–]bot_bot_bot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                  Anyone who "rejects democracy" should be shipped off to some place that supports their belief.

                                  [–]yourbestfriendjesus 27ポイント28ポイント  (99子コメント)

                                  wearing uniforms that say sharia police doesnt actually make them sharia police, they are just a bunch of blokes wearing uniforms with 'sharia police' written on them.

                                  And that is the word of the lord

                                  [–]alkizmo 83ポイント84ポイント  (65子コメント)

                                  they are just a bunch of blokes wearing uniforms with 'sharia police' written on them.

                                  That's why the article title was: Self-Proclaimed "sharia police"

                                  I don't see how you missed that.

                                  [–]sinosi [スコア非表示]  (62子コメント)

                                  I think the issue is that these are just a bunch of guys wearing vests and yelling at people. They're assholes that are trying to perpetrate a shitty point of view, but so are the guys in my city standing on street corners and subway stations screaming through a megaphone that I'm going to hell if I don't renounce whores and sodomists. I hate all of them, but freedom of speech can't end at angry religious zealotry.

                                  [–]MusikLehrer [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                  freedom of speech

                                  Harassment is a crime though right?

                                  [–]_AlreadyTaken_ [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

                                  Intimidating you by constantly yelling at you though isn't a right

                                  [–]sinosi [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

                                  They should absolutely be punished if they're making threats against people's well being, but the only thing that article says is that they walk around in vests and tell people to stop drinking, listening to music, and gambling. They never mentioned any actual threats. I don't know about German laws, but at least as far as my ethics goes that all falls under free speech.

                                  [–]pizzaprinciples [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                  Yeah the laws forbid doing stuff that nazis did 100 years ago

                                  [–]give_him_room_hooper [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

                                  To someone that doesn't know better, however, someone with an official "looking" uniform that says Police on it telling you to do (or not do) something can have the desired effect. No one would care if these guys were just shouting their bullshit from a street corner but the article says they were impersonating police, harassing people and trying to give them orders, and telling everyone that they were in a "Sharia controlled zone." That's not free speech. That's some fucked up bullshit that needs to be stopped.

                                  [–]sinosi [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

                                  It's an orange vest that says "Sharia Police." Confusing these guys with real law officers is like one or two steps above obeying the orders of a Female Body Inspector. And don't get me wrong, it's fucked up bullshit and it does need to stop, but I just can't ethically justify legal action against these guys.

                                  Edit: I read that FBI thing I wrote again and even I think that's pretty stupid now. Still, these guys don't at all look like police offers.

                                  [–]fsm_the_alfredo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                  I agree with you. This is no different than Mac and Dee dressing up as Guardian Angels.

                                  [–]NWmba [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                  The bigger deal is intimidation. They weren't exactly imitating the actual police, but they were trying to be their own force. It's not like they were doing a funny prank.

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                                        [–]romeo_zulu [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                                        Depends on where you live, a lot of people, and nation's laws, disagree.

                                        [–]sinosi [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                        Oh yeah. I'm not saying these guys can't be arrested based on the word of German laws. It sounds like they probably can be. I just think the arrests are unethical, although not necessarily illegal.

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                                            [–]Island_Universe [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

                                            If you walk around with a uniform that literally say's "sharia police" on it, for all intents and purposes you ARE the sharia police.

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                                                [–]natha105 232ポイント233ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                                This is a great conflict between freedom of speech and a country that has a very specific history that says "do you want genocide? because this is how you get genocide."

                                                [–]warpus 156ポイント157ポイント  (65子コメント)

                                                Düsseldorf state court said on Tuesday that eight of the nine accused men can face trial on the grounds of "violating laws against wearing uniforms with political messages."

                                                Umm isn't there a law against pretending to be an authority figure sanctioned by the state? Surely there is, or else people would walk around pretending to be police, etc. So why aren't these guys being charged with a crime like that?

                                                [–]ghsgjgfngngf 131ポイント132ポイント  (37子コメント)

                                                Because there is no real Sharia Police that they impersonated and it can't be argued that they could have been confused with actual police. Impersonating some kind of construction worker is not a crime. Not saying they aren't assholes but they didn't impersonate anyone.

                                                [–]warpus 42ポイント43ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                                They were walking around pretending to be authority figures sanctioned by the state, ordering people around, while they did not in fact have any sort of authorization to do so. Just because actual Sharia Police doesn't exist doesn't change that, right?

                                                [–]Yokurt 52ポイント53ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                to be authority figures sanctioned by the state

                                                The state doesn't sanction any kind of "Sharia Police". Some people just believed they have authority because of the word "Police".

                                                It's like wearing a shirt with "Reddit Police" on it and expecting people to bow to your will.

                                                [–]IdiotKnight [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                But, I love my Tuesdays as a reddit cop. The local law enforcement hate me, but it is so much fun running up to people and screaming obscenities at them.... Nobody bows to my authorty, but sometimes they avert their eyes. That could he from my lack of pants rather than the Reddit Police shirt.

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                                                  [–]Litterball [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                  "Police" isn't even a German word, so there is little chance for confusion. If they had told anyone they were actual police they would have been convicted for that, but apparently they didn't.

                                                  What they did is still not right and now it turns out there is a law that covers this, so all is well in the end.

                                                  [–]Invinciblex 56ポイント57ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                  You don't seem to understand the difference between impersonating an actual authority figure and pretending you actually have authority.

                                                  [–]DerLoladin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                  No one cares if you go around as the Pizza Police and act upset at people who buy bad pizza or ask them about their favorite flavours. If people then ask you "Are you send from the state?" You can of course say yes, that does not make it any more right. However, you are still not pretending to be someone who actually exists and has actual authority.

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                                                    [–]magerpower1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                    Its not illegal to pretend to be titty police either

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                                                      [–]Aetrion [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                                      Germany has a bit of a history with people putting on uniforms to organize as a political force that aims to take over the country.

                                                      [–]Litterball [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                      Perhaps if the uniform had said "Scharia Polizei" and not "Sharia Police" it might have worked out differently. It was probably too much of a long shot to claim that they were trying to mislead anyone.

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                                                        [–]Kjmcgee 102ポイント103ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                        I think the most concerning part of the article is how it mentions that the salafist community in Germany is growing.

                                                        [–]rivermandan [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                                        Judging by how Germany has dealt with its population of undesirables in the past, you'd think they'd take up residence elsewhere

                                                        [–]chronoBG [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                        You forget the specific ethnicity of those "undesirables". If anything, the "Sharia Police" would consider that a plus...

                                                        [–]_AlreadyTaken_ [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                                        If western culture bothers them so much I can think of plenty of countries they'd feel very comfortable in.

                                                        [–]ThArNatoS [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                        like the same country they ran away from?

                                                        [–]saarlac [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                        They ruined those countries already though so they've decided to move on to others.

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                                                          [–]colorsofshit [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                          Get the fuck out of westernized countries you cannot overtake if you want to have sharia law. These extremists CANNOT take control of any part of Germany, the us, Canada, etc etc with their bs policing.

                                                          [–]DivineInterference [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                          There are Islamists who believe that Shariah, as it is the word of God, must be enforced on everyone, everywhere, with or without their consent. They believe that the poor state of the Ummah where Shariah is enforced is only because it is not enforced everywhere. (To wit: in their view, Islamic countries are shitholes because of Western oppression.)

                                                          See: Dar al-Islam vs. Dar al-Harab

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                                                            [–]ChomskysChekist 177ポイント178ポイント  (98子コメント)

                                                            Allow right wing religions to take over your society brehs

                                                            The leader is a native German. This is what happens when you don't emphasize and enforce the separation between church and state

                                                            [–]iamsmart_progressive 202ポイント203ポイント  (61子コメント)

                                                            Honestly the converts are generally scarier than most people who are ethnic Muslims.

                                                            [–]ChomskysChekist 96ポイント97ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                                            True, they tend to be the overzealous ones eager to prove their value Allah

                                                            [–]BolshevikSpice 33ポイント34ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                            They use the same recruiting tactics gangs use, to the same effect:

                                                            Prey on those who desperately need something in life to live for.

                                                            [–]EmRaptor 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            not to mention they tend to be "recruited" by Salafist mosques.

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                                                              [–]Mintaka7 20ポイント21ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                              'Muslim' is an ethnicity?

                                                              [–]iamsmart_progressive 16ポイント17ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                              Ethnic in the sense that Bosnians, Pakistanis, Saudis, Indonesians etc are born into an Islamic culture.

                                                              [–]yeaman1111 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                              "There's no zealot like the convert"

                                                              [–]kafja [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                              Like Barry from Four Lions

                                                              Or the documentary maker who went to film the Westboro Baptist Church and ended up joining and becoming one of their most hardcore members.

                                                              edit: Steve Drain, if you want to google

                                                              [–]838h920 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              From the muslims I know, none of them really talks about their Religion. Most muslims I know will also not immediately say that it's due to Religion when they do something due to Religion. For example when someone tells them to drink alcohol, they'll tell no, when someone insists, they'll say that they don't drink alcohol. If it's time to pray, they'll leave saying that they got something to do, and if someone tries to insist in making them stay, they'll say that it's important, not mentioning it's about Religion.

                                                              Due to this a lot of Sources that make others convert to Islam are not made by good muslims, but by muslim extremists who're searching for new members.

                                                              [–]Northern_One [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                              Nothing like the zealous fire of the newly converted. This goes for lots of other things too: fitness trends, diets, multi-level marketing etc.

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                                                                [–]vodkaflavorednoodles 27ポイント28ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                What has this to do with seperation of church and state? Those were the actions of a private group and in no way tolerated by the state. In fact they are under close surveillance by the Verfassungsschutz (german domestic intelligence agency)

                                                                [–]JazzKatCritic [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                                Shhhhhh, the poor kid still hasn't even explained what a "right wing" religion is. Let him at least put on his tinfoil thinking cap first.

                                                                [–]vodkaflavorednoodles [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                But 100 people upvoted him... I get why people upvote stuff about europe beeing invaded by Islam even though I might not agree with them, but this doesn't even make sense.

                                                                [–]JazzKatCritic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                Probably a mix of people from r/atheism who won't avoid expressing their irrational hate for religion whenever possible, Leftists who want to blame Judeo-Christianity and the Right for the mess Europe is in and not their own policies, and former-Leftists who are now moderates or who are still not used to actually questioning what they believe that they will still cling to "The Right and Religion are bad and the fault of everything wrong in the world" because it is something that is familiar to them.

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                                                                  [–]warpus 40ポイント41ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                                  The problem is that the west has been allowing Saudi Arabia to export its extremist Wahhabism and Salafist ideologies. They are spending billions to build mosques all over the planet where this extremist ideology is spread and is allowed to take on new converts.

                                                                  [–]Timey16 49ポイント50ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                  We also allow OUR missionaries to leave for Africa and lobby for the death penalty for homosexuality.

                                                                  So if we end Wahabism we also need to ban these folk from travelling, as well (not that I'd be against it). But then you'll open a new can of worms in terms of freedom of speech.

                                                                  [–]preptopro [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

                                                                  OUR missionaries to leave for Africa and lobby for the death penalty for homosexuality.

                                                                  Source.

                                                                  [–]lets_chill_dude [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                                                                  Google Scott Lively. He's one the driving forces behind some of the new anti-gay legislation in Africa in the last few years.

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                                                                        [–]Shoebox235 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Same thing happens in France which hyper enforces the seperation of church and state though.

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                                                                          [–]mstrymxer [スコア非表示]  (24子コメント)

                                                                          How did a group of drunk germans not beat the shit out of these guys?

                                                                          [–]Ozy-dead [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

                                                                          Probably because that "Sharia Police" will be the first to file assault charges and religious discrimination. I'm not an expert, but EU law seems pretty harsh to both offenders and defenders. There are examples when a guy attacks a burglar, and then gets convicted for assault. Apparently, you can't hit somebody who is robbing your house with a chair.

                                                                          [–]MyOldNameSucked [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                                                          If I break into your house and break my neck on your bad stairs, I can sue you.

                                                                          [–]SenseiSwag [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                          You can, but it needs to be appropriate. You couldn't shoot and kill a burglar if he wasn't a threat to your life or while he's on his way out.

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                                                                              [–]sethamphetamine 44ポイント45ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                              Without knowing much about either of these organizations, I just wanted to point out here in The US we have similar extremist religious run policing groups in areas and it's not just Muslims. http://nypost.com/2011/07/31/orthodox-cops-separate-and-unequal/ I imagine many will immediately identify with the fear of Islamic extremism and think this is outrageous, but it's important to see how these groups are rooted in culture.

                                                                              [–]Zebradots [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                                              Haha, Shmomrim. Hebrew is a funny language.

                                                                              [–]SubjectOmega [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                              *Shomrim. From Shomer, to guard, keep or protect. If you've ever seen Big Lebowski, the fact that Walter is "Shomer fuckin Shabbas," or Shomer Shabbat (שומר שבת) to a native Hebrew speaker, means that he keeps the laws of Shabat, the Sabath, and does no work of any kind on that day. And that sure as shit includes fucking rolling.

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                                                                                  [–]AdseyV 35ポイント36ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                                  There is something of a self proclaimed jewish police group a few suburbs over from where i live in Aust, they have a high jewish population there. The difference is they conduct investiagtions and protect their own within the bound of the law then turn findings over to the state police after. They train hard and are actually really good. Kind like high level security meets private investigators.

                                                                                  [–]Ban_evasion91 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                  Interesting

                                                                                  If you could give me the name of the group, I would like to read more about them.

                                                                                  Thanks

                                                                                  [–]AdseyV [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  I am back at work in a few days, see if anyone knows what they call em self.

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                                                                                    [–]Cyril_Clunge [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

                                                                                    They do shady shit in New York. Here's an article about them doing their own thing and enforcing modesty laws. No on ever complains about them on reddit for not integrating into society.

                                                                                    They've also tried to cover up child abuse. Hopefully these kind of things have stopped but to think it just happens within muslim communities is wrong.

                                                                                    [–]interiorlittlevenice [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    Lol what? People complain all the time when this happens, search for "Jewish school district" in worldnews or news and you'll find many highly upvoted posts fully critical of it.

                                                                                    Fact is that Jews, especially outside of Israel, don't generally bother non-Jews. The Orthodox community can be incredibly stifling for those born into it, and they deserve our support if they want out, but non-Orthodox Jews have little to fear.

                                                                                    [–]randomunsourcedfacts [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                                                                    Seriously. How long ago were we decrying Germany's suppression of free speech when that cartoonist was prosecuted for attacking Erdogan? Now, all of sudden, Germany's restrictions on free speech are A-OK?

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                                                                                      [–]kinmix [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                                                                                      How does it even happen? Like if that kind of shit happened in any Eastern European country those guys would have spend a month in hospital after any attempt to say they are any sort of police...

                                                                                      [–]jeb_manion 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      Jesus christ, I do love the amount of gall this takes.

                                                                                      [–]spondodge [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Flip it on its head, put on some anti sharia police uniforms and shout at them for not drinking etc and see what happens.

                                                                                      [–]PlayedUOonBaja [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                                                      Hmmmm, this sounds awfully familiar

                                                                                      [–]DerLoladin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      About damn time.

                                                                                      [–]bfops [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      Can somebody explain why this doesn't violate some kind of harassment or nuisance laws? It sounds like intimidating behavior.

                                                                                      [–]kittyburritto [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Can't wait till their leader goes to jail and writes a book about his struggles such only serves to increase his popularity among Muslims and refugees, then starts running in politics

                                                                                      [–]candidly1 12ポイント13ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                      "political messages"? How about you can't wear something that says "Police" unless you are an actual cop?

                                                                                      [–]headphones66 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      Damn it, I'm a huge fan too.

                                                                                      [–]Tech_Itch [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      German police uniforms typically say "Polizei". Nobody's going to confuse you for a real police officer if you walk around with a shirt saying "Police". They'll probably think your shirt is advertising watches or something similar.

                                                                                      Maybe De Rigo Group should sue these people for tarnishing their Police -brand...

                                                                                      [–]Polterhorst [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                                                      Well, germany actually has some institutions whose employees are dressed quite similar to german cops, but have no authority except handing out parking tickets. But instead of 'Polizei' their clothes (and cars) have 'Polizeibehörde' written on them.

                                                                                      [–]candidly1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Sounds harmless, provided the citizenry understands that it essentially means "meter maids"; that's how they are often referred to in the States.

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                                                                                        [–]Xerodan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Because Police isn't a German word.

                                                                                        [–]Famous_felix 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        "Hey, yeah, we tried something similar a while ago. Didn't work out. We're not interested in trying anything similar again."

                                                                                        [–]Earnin_and_BERNin 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        violating laws against wearing uniforms with political messages.

                                                                                        wonder where they came up with this law....in Germany..

                                                                                        [–]roscocoltrane [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        I'm sure they had preferred being judged by a sharia court.

                                                                                        [–]LuuKen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Epic Rap Battle: Sons Of Odin Vs The Sharia Police

                                                                                        [–]well_golly [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        The bearded fundamentalists were also observed calling for an end to gambling as they carried notices, in English, declaring a "Sharia Controlled Zone."

                                                                                        In doing this, I see several issues:

                                                                                        1) Command and control part I.

                                                                                        These buffoons are asserting that their group has "control" over this "zone" of Germany, and that they are the executors of the authority in control. This means they claim to govern.

                                                                                        I'd say charge them with impersonating a government official.

                                                                                        2) Command and control part II.

                                                                                        It seems obvious that this was an attempt to overthrow the power of the government within a part of Germany's territory. That's probably either espionage or treason, depending on what their current citizenship stays is.

                                                                                        Let's not mince words here: This was a failed attempt at a coup de tat within the municipality they are located in. They should be punished accordingly.

                                                                                        3) Policing.

                                                                                        They are clearly trying to officiate the enforcement of a system of law. They did this with uniforms, claiming to have authority derived from that legal system. To me, that sounds like impersonating a law enforcement officer.

                                                                                        [–]westromebestrome [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Europe in general needs stricter laws against religion and islamists.

                                                                                        [–]rddman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        uniforms

                                                                                        So, assuming (or attempting to create the impression that they have) authority that they don't have is not a problem?

                                                                                        [–]zeebious [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        I despise religion in all of its forms. I get irrationally angry when they try to impose their shit beliefs. I get even angrier when they claim their beliefs to be morals. I think we as a society have become to accommodating to religion. You don't want to sit next to a woman on a plane? Cool, get off the fucking plane. You can't touch pork products? Cool, then you can't be hired where they serve them. We have this problem with the false equivalency of ideas. We somehow got it in our heads that all opinions/beliefs are created equal. We've lost our objectivity and our own morality in the pursuit of tolerance. The outcome of which has made homophobia, oppression, sexism, and ignorance more prevalent. I am perfectly content with shaming your dumb ass beliefs. I laugh in your face because you've earned it.

                                                                                        [–]xnaveedhassan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        I hope they get fucked good.

                                                                                        But you know, in a bad way. Not that they come out all satisfied.

                                                                                        [–]fubarspeaks [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        So, they went into German bars and nightclubs and demanded patrons stop drinking and listening to music? I'm sure they were very politely received...

                                                                                        [–]coherent_thought [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        THIS is what Germany gets ruffled about!? A uniform? Maybe the fact that there are "Sharia Police" at all should give them pause.

                                                                                        [–]Nuwanda84 [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

                                                                                        I've seen a couple of these idiots. The fact the media throws this term "police" out there doesn't exactly help the case. It's basically just 2-3 idiots walking around trying to "teach" you about what they might believe in. For the record, Christian fanatics do the same. They either scream around in the city to "teach" you their BS or they go door to door, it's just as annoying.

                                                                                        [–]dehpz [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                                                                                        Just as annoying as Sharia? Mormons, Jehovas etc. don't enforce their religious views on to you. They want to open a dialogue. Do you know what laws are under the Sharia?

                                                                                        [–]Sarius1997 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                                        Those idiots neither do. They just walk around the city and tell you, don´t do that or you´ll go to hell. Exactly like our christian fanatics here.

                                                                                        [–]Nebeldeskreiges [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Also pro tip, say you are an ex-(religion.) this is prohibited for Jehovah's, and maybe for Mormons, to talk to you.

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                                                                                            [–]ZutaTheFox 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            Good

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