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[–]JustAnotherCarl 216ポイント217ポイント  (99子コメント)

That 3rd week of vacation time you get on your 5th year makes all the difference.

[–]MoldyCat 108ポイント109ポイント  (86子コメント)

Then you meet people (like my Father) who gets something like 6 weeks of vacation, 10 sick days (paid), 10 personal days (paid) and holidays.

I'll never gain more then 3 weeks where I work.

[–]Jurassicasskick 33ポイント34ポイント  (8子コメント)

My dad gets three months off a year and isn't a teacher. It's gross.

[–]MrPiknik 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Doing what? Is this in the USA?

[–]buttholemeat 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

What does he do?

[–]Shloppins 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

Stripper

[–]TellTogos 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Paint or clothes? Or body paint that look like clothes?

[–]bridekiller 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He probably does working in Germany.

[–]drfrisker 68ポイント69ポイント  (44子コメント)

hmm must be a boomer

[–]Duese 48ポイント49ポイント  (29子コメント)

Or European.

[–]lslkkldsg 27ポイント28ポイント  (25子コメント)

Or work for a defense contractor. I got an offer from one which included 3 weeks vacation and every other Friday in the year off. That's 41 days off, plus sick days and holidays. Apparently that's very common in the industry to offer that 26 Fridays off perk.

[–]viskags 31ポイント32ポイント  (16子コメント)

This is true but you work 9 hour days. So it's not exactly time off, it's time that's adjusted into longer work days which gives more free days. I know some places even do 10 hour 4 day weeks. And nurses and some other specialized jobs do 3 day 12 hour shifts.

Though 9-10 hour days and Fridays off would be completely fine with me.

[–]NeverNo 30ポイント31ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'd kill for 4 10s.

[–]sawc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would you kill for 6 10's?

[–]BoilerMaker11 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Last company I worked for, I did 4 10s every week, up until it got to the point where we were "overworked and understaffed", so they allowed OT, up to 2 hours extra per weekday and 5 hours on the weekend.

So, it was either having every Friday off or accruing 20 to 30 hours of OT on every paycheck. I've since switched companies because I got frustrated with them, but it was a nice perk to have

[–]Sleepytimegorrillamu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Having flex hours is awesome, but oftentimes the work isn't steady enough for you to just work 10 hours. Usually, you're waiting on emails from four or five people before you can continue, after it happens enough times and you're sitting around at 5PM doing nothing, you just say 'fuck it' and leave.

[–]iRebelD 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm doing three twelves this week, how does that sound to you? Four next week.

[–]rightinthedome 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends if you need to stand up or not. Sounds pretty good for an office job if you have adequate breaks. I told my old boss, schedule me for the longest shifts, it already ruins my day so might as well work as much as I can.

[–]Without_Mythologies 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude I'll tell you what any other nurse will tell you. 12 hour days have their ups and downs. 12 hours of running your ass off in a thankless pursuit of keeping grandpa alive through another year of the ventilator going woosh woosh wears on you. Then again, having 4 days off a week is something I wouldn't trade for

[–]poundruss 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did 3 12s and 4 10s. 4 10s is the best shift you can get imo

[–]YOU_GOT_REKT 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I work 4 9's with Fridays off, 4 weeks of vacation and 12 holidays. And I'm an American working for a very large scientific company that got some bad press earlier today.

[–]Amphibialrabies69 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

9 or 10 hour days aren't bad, plus anything over 8 where I am in Canada is overtime so I get time and a half. Over 8 hours in a day or over 44 hours a week, whichever is greater. Did a summer of landscaping and when you have 66 hour weeks you bring home a decent amount.

[–]SirDiego 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not sure if it's exactly the same, but here (US), most companies do either salary (fixed pay, expected hours anywhere from 40-60/week) or hourly pay (generally, fixed 40 if not busy, OT on top of that is 1.5x).

I think technically 48 hours is where companies are enforced by law to pay 1.5 but most companies set it at 40 (assuming an 8 hour/day 5-day work week, but could be 4 10s or whatever).

[–]Necrotroph 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I work 4-10s, can confirm it's awesome

[–]drumstyx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd do 3 12's no problem, that'd be awesome!

[–]aidsfarts 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

3 day 12 hour shifts.

I would much rather do this. Hell make it 13.5 hour shifts to make it an even 40

[–]DemeaningSarcasm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That should honestly be standard. It would be nice to I don't know...go to the bank...the DMV.......the post office.......

Even if it was 6 days on one day off 4 days on 3 days off I would be down for that.

[–]Minia15 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are plenty of us out there working 50-60 hour work weeks to whom a 9 hour day sounds short, yet you act like its long....

[–]WTFYouTalkingAbout 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Only real downside is if we break into another world war, you can be bombed as defense contractors are valid military targets.

[–]lslkkldsg 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I guess, but if we get into another world war, we're probably all fucked regardless.

[–]WTFYouTalkingAbout 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, exactly, I originally wrote "war" but then I realized the only way America is getting hit it an air raid is in the case of WWIII

[–]Amphibialrabies69 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone will just start chucking ICBMs at each other and we'll all be doomed.

[–]notepad20 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pretty standard in australia to have one friday a month off, we call them "RDO's" (rostered day off). Standard work week is 37.5 hours, or 7.5 hour days (not including lunch).

So if you round it to 8 hours a day, effectively you get 7.5 hours banked every month, so can take an entire day off and not be short on time.

[–]drunk98 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That sounds amazing. I'm not even sure what I'd do with all that free time.

[–]IAmTurdFerguson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That pretty standard among engineering companies.

[–]Sleepytimegorrillamu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, it's not common at all unless you're in a small company, then it's very common.

Take a look at Boeing, Lockheed, Booze Allen, etc. They're all the same; just jump back and forth between companies to increase salary. At each company, underbid on proposals to win then fuck up the resulting contract just enough that you continue getting paid.

[–]smpx 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I recently heard that it's common for Italians to get paid a "13th month" during the holidays (basically a bonus equivalent to 1 full month salary), on top of their original paid vacation of 4-5 weeks, so that they can afford Christmas gifts and such. They then sometimes get a "14th month" during the summer, unless you're just a trainee, in which case you only get the 13th month.

On the downside, you have to work in Italy and eat Italian food... which is... pretty goddamn good actually never mind.

[–]Minsc__and__Boo 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, but the 20-something unemployment rate in Italy is currently 40%+

[–]smpx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Italy's overall unemployment rate is is actually only 11.6% right now. according to Google.

The same could be said about Norway though, their unemployment rate is less than 5% right now.

[–]Dontmakemechoose2 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

I got 5 weeks of Vacation time starting from day 1. Plus sick and personal time. Not a boomer.

[–]jfreez 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

I just turned 30 and have 5 weeks off plus the three I rolled over last year.

[–]Dontmakemechoose2 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Now the key, and real challenge, is actually taking the time off. I struggled with that earlier in my career. Not anymore. I will use every fucking one of those weeks.

[–]bobwoodshed 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I need to figure out how to do this. My vacation accruals have been maxed out for about a year now because I never feel like I can actually take time off. The last time I took a vacation was kind of miserable because of how often I got called (even though I was promised I wouldn't be unless it was an emergency) and how much shit greeted me when I got back to work.

[–]Dontmakemechoose2 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I wish I had advice for you. I never wanted to take the time off because I was afraid something would get screwed up while I was gone. But the world won't fall apart if you take one week at a time. If you're worried about the control start small. Just start by taking a Friday off here and there. And no matter what you do: do not answer your phone. If you answer it once they'll keep blowing you up.

[–]m1ldsauce 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

That actually is good advice. I'm in a similar situation, get a ton of vacation time and managers are fine with me taking it. I just personally don't ever take any because I don't want to leave my work to be screwed up by someone else. Or my desk is overloaded when I get back. I need to learn to let go a little bit.

[–]ppfftt 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Start by taking Wednesday's off. It makes your week seem so short and because it's the middle of the week, no one typically cares about waiting a day for something to get done. You get a day off and no one at work really notices you're not there.

edit: sp

[–]Apkoha 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

or learned a skill\trade that was in demand making his labor valuable.

[–]TaylorSpokeApe 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It took years for him to get where he is now.

I blame my generation for producing a generation without the basic life skills needed to become what we are. We are to blame for millennials.

[–]Apkoha 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know if that's true, well I mean we are to blame for them but a lot of us were lacking those skills as well. I was lacking quite a bit of basic life skills myself until I sat myself down in my late twenties and early 30's and started figuring them out.

I guess I fall in the middle of the Gen X generation( depend on when you consider it to start and end) and I was missing quite a few skills and looking around at some of my friends or people my age, so are they. So we may be to blame for millennials but we started out handicapped to begin with

[–]koeikan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think Netflix has 'unlimited' vacation, IIRC.

[–]SQUID_FUCKER 4ポイント5ポイント  (11子コメント)

Damn that's crazy, generally though, the people I've met who have that much time have positions where, because of their responsibilities, they're lucky if they get to use half of it. Is that the case with your father?

[–]PorterN 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

My dad had what was essentially the "entry level job" in operations at a nuclear power plant. After 35 years he retired with a full pension, 12 weeks vacation, and 520 hours of paid sick time. Oh and 1 personal day.

Crazy that jobs like this are still around.

[–]Shloppins 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're only around until he retires. Then it'll fall away into the darkness.

[–]jfreez 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Energy sector. I don't know about nuclear but I do know about oil and gas, and the jobs have a lot of perks and are highly competitive. The boom and bust cycle makes it so. If you could work the same job for the same money and not have the risk of an oil bust and potential layoffs on the horizon, then you'd never go to oil and gas. High salaries and great benefits make it worth while

[–]mrbooze 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Allowing employees to bank sick time like that is exceedingly rare for new jobs today.

All my jobs in the last 10 years have been: no carryover of sick time from year to year, no more than 5 sick days per year if they're tracked (it's also common for sick time and vacation time to be rolled together into "PTO time"), no carryover of more than one year's earnings of vacation beyond one year. If I get 4 weeks vacation a year, anything I let accumulate beyond 4 weeks is lost.

[–]notepad20 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

They put them selves in that position.

On of the big things to get over when you reach some position of leardership or otherwise seniority, is that most other people are also perfectly fine handling your tasks. THeres nothing you do that is impossible, and if 2% of the stuff cant be delegated to someone else, the world doesnt end if it waits a week.

Of course we all think it will, and needs to be done now and by ourselves, but it really doesnt.

[–]SQUID_FUCKER 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

While true, a lot of them get to that position by working overtime, sacrificing vacation and personal time in order to dedicate themselves to the company. It's a tricky balance.

[–]notepad20 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not where im from. Bosses insist you take your paid holidays and days off, to preserve your mental state and motivation.

No overtime unless explicitly asked and paid, they strongly discourage any incidental overtime, again for employee health.

They way they view it, if you have a stack of work on your desk, that just means you have a couple of weeks of work ahead of you. Do it 9-5 and roll over what doesnt get done.

For reference we are a civil engineering firm doing residential development. Always developers breathing down our neck about how this and that has to be done and quickly and why hasnt it happened yet.

[–]mrbooze 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you were in the US (which I'm presuming you aren't) your competitor firms would be burning employees out faster and doing jobs faster and taking jobs from you.

[–]MoldyCat 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

He is maintenance.

He has zero issue using. He doesn't take his birthday (another paid day I forgot) off, he takes the week.

[–]SQUID_FUCKER 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well shit, they hiring?

[–]MoldyCat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do not know. They have a "no family" policy. I can't apply to the place (might be same department) until my Father leaves the company.

[–]PlanB_pedofile 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

on top of that, you'll be putting your job at risk and yourself on a potential layoff list or chopping block because you took 1 week off.

[–]Bigpinkwilly 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can't take a day off, ill end up with 50 more emails and calls...

[–]MoldyCat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He just took last week off. He takes a week off for his birthday. His last day for the year is usually Dec 21, and goes back on the Monday after the new year.

I joked about taking a Friday off (April 22nd) to him. He didn't laugh. He just said "oh boy, I'm taking next week off... and then I'll still have another 5 weeks of va ca time."

He got the last laugh on that subject.

[–]commonplatypus 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Get a new job. I know that sounds stupidly simplistic, but it works. Changing jobs is often the only way to increase your salary more than 10% and to get better benefits. The company isn't going to change for you, that leaves the only option being for you to change companies.

[–]MoldyCat 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree.

I've been looking.

I worked with a guy for the last 5 years in the same department, and 2 and half basically in the same room. He worked for the company for 9 years, 7 days.

He came in few Mondays back and said it wasn't working out any more. He walked out.

Him leaving got me and another a raise finally. What kind of jacked up system is that?

[–]commonplatypus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you don't have management/leadership who cares or fights for you or is in a position to even do so, nothing is going to happen without a major upset in the environment such as what you experienced. These are exceedingly rare.

Simply asking or waiting around for something does absolutely jack shit. I learned that the hard way my last time around during my raise a few months ago. I made it VERY clear through my words and actions that it wasn't acceptable and started accumulating leverage (job hunting) and cutting back hard on all the overachieving I was doing before because I had been pseudo-promised a just reward for doing them. I have word down the pipe this is going to be fixed come mid-year, but I'm not holding my breath. If I get screwed twice, I'll just consider it a lesson learned, sharpen my skills, and start planning my exit with commitment to leave and no leeway for negotiation this time.

Most of the time you have to make things happen for yourself. Nobody is going to just magically make your life better and you don't owe them squat. Employment is an agreement between you and your company for compensation in exchange for work done. Anything extra forfeited by either side is inconsequential to that transaction.

I watched two of my peers leave as a result of poor compensation increases two months ago. They ended up getting massive raises, amazing benefits, and the opportunity to work on far better technologies and projects by leaving for other jobs. They don't went from making 60k a year to 80k a year, just like that. Their raises were both going to be about 3k above their previous salaries, which is below market rate for their roles despite "adjustment" efforts by HR for our whole department. I'm paid even less. Company didn't even try to counter-offer. They were never going to pay them that much and it's only slightly above average for that role.

[–]ekatsim 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Shit my work offers 3 weeks paid vacation after twenty years of service... They used to offer 4, but they changed it a few years back.

[–]MoldyCat 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Some of the guys that have been there 30+ years have asked if there was anyway there could be a 4th (or 5th) after many years. Owner basically laughed at them.

[–]ekatsim 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry, I feel your pain. I have no marketable skills like a dumbass so it's my fault I'm at a shitty company.

[–]jfreez 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just turned 30 and have 5 weeks pto. It just depends on the industry

[–]InjunJ03 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Govnmt job?

[–]MoldyCat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. He works at a place that makes food coloring.

[–]pounds 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fed get 26 days/yr of vacation and 13 days/yr of sick leave. That's after 15 years. You start at 13 days/yr and then move up to 18 days/yr after 3 years. Sick leave stays at 13 days/yr.

source: Am Federal employee. Let's hear it for easy promotion and job protection!! WOOHOO!!

[–]quitelargeballs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like a standard employment contract in Australia!

[–]am0x 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My first job gave me 30 days off. My manager got 2 months off a year and he was only 40. That's not including holidays, You also got your birthday off.

However, the pay sucked.

[–]gtmax500 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I work for a research lab for a university so I get all the benefits of a professor but I actually get paid a decent wage (and do cool stuff). 216 hours of vacation (27 days), around 10 paid sick days, and 2 paid personal days. I actualy have to take 2 days off a month or else I lose them. Plus they match 9.2% for my 401k and I (and family) get 75% discount on tuition there including grad school. Universities have some of the best benefits around.

[–]MoldyCat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The benefits of where he works is the only reason he has been there for 37 (maybe 38 now) years.

[–]BoilerMaker11 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Company I work for doesn't separate days like that (vacation, sick, personal, etc. It's all just one pool of "PTO"), but it does start you with 24 days and you can carry 10 over the next year, meaning you could have 34 days of PTO in a year.

This is starting benefits. Not after you've worked for the company for 15-20 years and you've accumulated that working relationship with the company, by way of getting like 2 extra days of PTO for every 3 years you work there.

It's kind of insane. I started with 30 days in 2016. I'm used to having about 20. So I've done a crap ton already this year and haven't even gone through half my PTO yet.

[–]The_dog_says 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A friend of mine got 3 weeks PTO first day of the job.
Wtf. I had to work an entire year at my job to get a week.

[–]redlinezo6 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ahhh... Just hit 5 years. Can't wait for that extra 40 hours of PTO!!

Cracks another beer

[–]Always_posts_serious 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I just received a promotion at my job going from hourly to salary. My new salary job requires that I accrue my vacation time (3.3 hours per week worked up to 80 max). I already have 2 weeks accrued from working my hourly.

Guess what? Those 2 weeks just POOF disappeared. No pay out, can't take them. I can't even accrue 2 weeks anymore. They told me they would pay me out for the 2 weeks, but nope. Still salty about it. But in Texas, an employer is not required by law to give you vacation time, so there's nothing I can actually do about it.

[–]Hockinator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Were those terms in the contract of your employment? If so you have an easy case with your HR department

[–]bentonboy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just got permissive time off here at GE.

[–]goldandguns 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I shopped around until I found a place with unlimited paid vacation. If everyone did that, everyone would offer it

[–]ChipAyten 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ohh lookey lookey at Mr. Rockefeller over here, he one of those jobs... the ones with the B word.

[–]hockeyrocks5757 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

we get that on our 10th year at my company. U jealous?