73
74

Bike Lanes are just that. (self.Columbus)

mayowarlordClintonville が 投稿

Hey there Columbus (particularly campus). As you may know 4th and summit received some pretty drastic changes in the last year in terms of removing car lanes and adding bike lanes. So here is the thing. They are BIKE LANES and that's it. They are not a side walk. They are not a multi-use trail for running. They are most of all, not a parking lane or loading zone for cars. Those lanes are for high speed bicycle traffic and are a part of the road system. Please respect that.

上位 200 件のコメント全て表示する 215
並べ替え:
ベスト
トップ新着論争中古い順Q&A

[–]deesee79East 16ポイント17ポイント  (22子コメント)

https://columbus.gov/protectedbikelanes/

[–]MisterFlibbleGahanna 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

I don't like/understand the reasoning behind the sections where they put the parking between the bike lanes and car lanes. It basically makes a wall of cars that hide bicyclists and cars from each other and themselves.

[–]boomfarmer 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It basically means that cars in the normal flow of traffic won't hit bicyclists, and creates a dedicated turn lane for cars coming off of Summit across the bike path. Cars are supposed to watch for cross traffic before turning.

Also, having cars block cars from the bike lane prevents scenarios like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzE-IMaegzQ, where cars park across the bike lane.

I don't like 4th for that reason: cars will stop in the bike lane. It's out of the flow of traffic, and it's not the parking lane, so they treat it like a loading zone.

[–]Timeout19 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. I find it difficult when trying to turn from Summit and cross the bike lane with my car. It is difficult to see if any fast bikes are on the path, because of all of the parked cars.

For example, coming south on Summit and turning right onto Lane. When the light is green, I have to go extra slowly to look both ways to ensure no fast bikes are coming. The parked cars make this tough to see. You can't go too slowly though, because then you'll get rear-ended by the car behind you, since people make that green light right turn very swiftly.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Nor do I. I would much rather have my road lane back.

[–]MisterFlibbleGahanna 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm fine with it being a dedicated bike lane, since the traffic doesn't seem to be too outrageous with only 2 lanes. I cycle, but not nearly as much as I drive for Lyft/Uber. I think the parts closer to Lane are a hazard for both cars and bikes.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's one of those things that sounded good on paper... I prefer the lane on 4th quite a bit. At least we can all see each-other.

[–]Ohm_My_GodYe Olde Towne East 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

City (and county) traffic officials are watching these new lanes to learn which worked best and why.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good to know. Thanks !

[–]Ohm_My_GodYe Olde Towne East 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Connect Columbus has been involved in the project from the start and welcomes feedback.

[–]keautin125 15ポイント16ポイント  (21子コメント)

As an avid runner of the 4th/Summit area, I will say the construction on the sidewalk corners is kind of a bitch to avoid. So I'm guilty of TEMPORARILY and SAFELY jogging into the bike lane to avoid having to cross the street multiple times.

[–]bayreaworkGaswerks 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is one of the things I never really got about jogging in the short north. It is such a hassle to jog down High with all the foot traffic, cyclist, deliveries and the traffic on 4th and Summit is moving so fast I feel unsafe running down those. Why not just run around Goodale and the side streets. I do it all the time. I love running down the side streets and checking out houses as opposed to near death on the main arteries.

[–]keautin125 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would much prefer to run over on the olentangy trail, but I live right off of 4th. Its more of a matter of convenience and routes of multiple distances already memorized by heart. The constant construction and intersections are a pain but it's easier than commuting to my workout.

On a side note, I can probably count on both hands the number of times I've seen bikers actually using the new lanes since they've opened...

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (18子コメント)

I would say, if it's not your intent to just hang out in it, then you are not one of the people who needs an ear full about this. It's not like the bike lane has an invisible Trump wall around it. It's that it's not safe for anyone if people use it as a multi-use trail. Of course runners and walkers need to cross or temporarily occupy the space.

[–]sruckusVictorian Village 4ポイント5ポイント  (17子コメント)

Runners (just like bikers) are allowed to use the road. However, if there are sidewalks, I agree that's really where runners and walkers should safely be most of the time, just like bikers should be using the bike lanes when able (i.e., not turning left, etc.).

[–]boomfarmer 20ポイント21ポイント  (7子コメント)

Runners (just like bikers) are allowed to use the road.

Er, no.

Pedestrians aren't allowed to use the road, unless there is no shoulder or sidewalk and the pedestrian is walking on the left side of the road (facing oncoming traffic). The law (http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4511.50v1) reads as follows:

4511.50 Pedestrian walking in roadway.

(A) Where a sidewalk is provided and its use is practicable, it shall be unlawful for any pedestrian to walk along and upon an adjacent roadway.

(B) Where a sidewalk is not available, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall walk only on a shoulder, as far as practicable from the edge of the roadway.

(C) Where neither a sidewalk nor a shoulder is available, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall walk as near as practicable to an outside edge of the roadway, and, if on a two-way roadway, shall walk only on the left side of the roadway.

(D) Except as otherwise provided in sections 4511.13 and 4511.46 of the Revised Code, any pedestrian upon a roadway shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles, trackless trolleys, or streetcars upon the roadway.

(E) Except as otherwise provided in this division, whoever violates this section is guilty of a minor misdemeanor. If, within one year of the offense, the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to one predicate motor vehicle or traffic offense, whoever violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. If, within one year of the offense, the offender previously has been convicted of two or more predicate motor vehicle or traffic offenses, whoever violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor of the third degree.

This applies to all people going on foot, which includes runners, walkers, hoppers, joggers, lungers, and arguably people walking on their hands.

[–]pSyChO_aSyLuMGahanna 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

Thank you. People do this shit in my neighborhood all the time. I come around a blind curve and there's someone walking in the street with a perfectly unoccupied sidewalk right there.

[–]sruckusVictorian Village 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That aggravates me too. I want to shout at them.

[–]DRUMS11 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same problem in Grandview.

We have a lot of runners. Most runners are bright enough to stay on the sidewalk (assuming there is a sidewalk - there are a few streets that still don't have them, though this is being corrected.) Then, there are the runners who apparently like to play chicken with automobiles.

[–]DipDoodle -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Road is softer than sidewalk, don't be a dildo about it

[–]sruckusVictorian Village 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Run on the grass. It's softer than both.

[–]billege -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sidewalks are uneven trip factories. Roads are much easier to run on. Not saying it's brilliant, but that's why you see runners ignoring sidewalks a lot.

[–]CallMeHando 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is such a pussy excuse i always read. god forbid someone who'd trip on sidewalk would ever try trail running, they'd need a helmet

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

That's really all I want.

[–]sruckusVictorian Village 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

While we're complaining, how many bikers in lycra around here ignore the rules themselves? Cutting ahead of cars when they pass them at lights, just to make it so cars have to pass them AGAIN. Stay in the spot you're in. I can't cut other cars, you shouldn't be either.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

About as many as cars that almost kill cyclist making needlessly risky passes just to sit with them at the next three lights. It's pretty god damn unacceptable either way.

[–]sruckusVictorian Village 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

Agreed. But it seems many cyclists (and I see the full lycra-covered ones doing it too) are always advocating following the rules and such (for cars at least) due to the danger, but seem to be a bit hypocritical themselves when they make things more dangerous not following the same rules.

[–]bobracha4lyfe 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think you'll find this both ways with all groups. Both groups commit offenses at similar rates:

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-07-18/survey-finds-bicyclists-and-motorists-ignore-traffic-laws-similar-rates

It would not surprise me to learn that the people who participate in behaviors that benefit themselves at the expense of others (running reds, filtering, speeding, tailgating) also complain loudly about being the victims of this behavior. No source for that one.

[–]EcoBuckeyeGalloway 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How likely are they to be BMW owners?

[–]mysticrudninDublin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I personally call this effect "cookie theory" after a friend of mine who would loudly and sometimes violently ensure that none of his snacks were ever touched by anyone other than himself, while simultaneously engorging himself on the snacks (usually cookies) he could find at my place and others.

It comes up to often.

[–]jewunitHilltop *pew* *pew* 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

filtering

Is that even illegal here?

[–]bobracha4lyfe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It isn't addressed in the ORC, so it's sort of an "at your own risk" type deal. Are you likely to get a ticket for it? Nah. But could a cop write it up in a catch all bin like reckless ops? Yup.

I'm not particularly opposed to it either. In the right circumstances filtering aids traffic flow. But it's a common point made in the "bicyclists are scofflaws" discussion.

[–]_future_ 39ポイント40ポイント  (35子コメント)

next step: tape passive aggressive notes to the bike lanes

[–]I_eat_satans_ass 33ポイント34ポイント  (9子コメント)

At the same time, during peak moving season for OSU campus (August), expect lots of uhauls and trailers to be blocking them and double parked. Yea it's illegal but when you make lazy college students have to carry a couch a few extra feet while watching for traffic, what do you expect? Easier to just avoid that shit show I think.

That being said, I do completely agree that people need to respect that bike lanes are for bikes.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 23ポイント24ポイント  (8子コメント)

I have low expectations for campus in general, but they took out a perfectly fine road lane I felt safer in and left me with that shit show on summit. If you ride in the road now, people freek out (as there is a bike lane). And " Go ride in the fucking road" was exactly what a nice young lady screamed in my face this morning after I asked her and her friend nicely not to jog in the bike lanes.

[–]MisterFlibbleGahanna 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

I would have stopped and pointed at the diagram on the road and asked her what it looked like to her.

[–]boomfarmer 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've pointed at the diagram on the road while being tailgated on High. I'm riding in a lane with sharrows. The tailgater had a lane and space to pass me in. Pass me instead of honking. And enjoy being stuck behind the COTA bus that I'm following.

[–]IustinusSouth 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

TIL what sharrows are.

A shared-lane marking or sharrow is a street marking installed at locations in Australia, Canada, United States or Spain. This marking is placed in the travel lane to indicate where people should preferably cycle.

[–]I_eat_satans_ass 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yea, those streets have always been a shit show. I think at least with this project the driving lanes are wide enough I'm not super white knuckled driving down those streets.

[–]boomfarmer 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm white-knuckled driving on East Lane.

[–]NSNickWeinland Park 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's always been like that.

[–]AnticeptWhitehall 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd have snapped and said things that would embarrass the fuck out of her

[–]noreallyiwannaknow 76ポイント77ポイント  (7子コメント)

I am in awe of your super-human ability to state very reasonable opinions like an absolute and total fuckhead.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

Noted.

[–]noreallyiwannaknow 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

At least you take criticism well.

Srsly, tho... I bike too when I can crowbar my fat ass off the couch. Be nice to our friends in cars. If we piss them off, they'll win any sort of escalated confrontation. Joggers will eventually learn that the bike lanes aren't for them, and moving day on campus is always going to be a clusterfuck for everyone (but probably especially cyclists, given the unfortunate design of the bike lanes.)

Anyway, be safe out there fuckhead.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

I usually just wave and smile unless they just nearly killed me. I also nicely ask the joggers to not be in the bike lanes. I just have my limits.

Also, I think that that may have been the nicest anyone was ever being when calling me a fuckhead. You are probably alright.

[–]noreallyiwannaknow 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I like to think you're getting downvoted by the people that I've been an utter cunt to in this sub. "You think she's nice? Fuck you buddy."

Anyway, we're all fuckheads from time to time. Probably part of the human condition or some shit.

[–]DipDoodle -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can't hate on the joggers, the road is softer than the sidewalk, ten times better on your knees

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get that too. They wouldn't be running in summit though. The bike lanes attract people who think it's the same thing a the olentangy trail...

[–]stephentszuterDowntown 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think this should turn into a hostile argument about now-that-we-have-our-bike-lanes,-respect-our-authoratah. Sure, you might need to swerve out of the bike line and into the shared lanes, but just do it safely, curse at the guy or gal that is in the way, and move on.

Like life in most other big (American) cities, everything is a little bit of give and take. Until we reach Amsterdam or Copenhagen status, we are just gonna need to chill a little bit.

[–]boomfarmer 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

swerve out of the bike line and into the shared lanes

On Summit, that's not possible. Your options are to swerve into parked cars or to swerve into the curb.

                   ^
                   |
     +---+         |                                    +-----+
         +----+-------------+---------+---------+-------+
              v    vv       v         v         v       v

sidewalk |bike lane| parked |---- car lanes ----| parked|  sidewalk

[–]stephentszuterDowntown 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

What do you want me to say here...? Then slow down and maneuver around the obstacle...

The point is it's not going to be perfect (the same way that obstacles exist on side walks and shared lanes--it's all part of living in the city), but talking about it on reddit (which less than 1% of the Columbus population reads/subscribes to) isn't going to spur much change.

Take your fight to the city/police (but good luck with that, too, since I saw a cop parked in the bike lanes not three days ago).

[–]elatedwalrus 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Those lanes are kinda dumb. There needs to be bike lanes on hogh street so bikes dont have to choose between waiting in a car line like some asshole or driving past the line in the parked car lane like some asshole

[–]sruckusVictorian Village 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, would be nice. Or on Neil.

[–]VanDriver1 24ポイント25ポイント  (19子コメント)

I am an avid bicyclist and I disagree with your position, mostly your intolerance of others. Your " It's MINE and no one else so get out" will only cause bitterness and difficulty. I also think that the bike lanes on Summit and Fourth are wrong and dangerous especially at intersections. Also, parking in the middle of the street is stupid. Cars SHOULD park on the curb. There will be many accidents and injuries before they change this poor design. You called the new design "drastic" and I call it dangerous. Very dangerous.

[–]I_Febreze_Dogs 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

The point of having cars park in the "middle of the street" is to protect bicyclists. Unless someone isn't paying attention, it's no more dangerous for drivers to park there than it is right next to the curb.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

It actually is really dangerous though. Having protected lanes where cyclists are not visible makes it really easy for cars to turn in front of bikes they never saw. I won't drive down summit any more because I am afraid of hitting a cyclist.

[–]I_Febreze_Dogs 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Then maybe both drivers and bicyclists should just be more aware of their surroundings when they're on these roads? Not trying to be rude, I just don't think it would be that complicated.

[–]mechtech 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The issue is that these systems need to be designed to be as safe as possible even when things don't go according to plan. People are going to do blind turns, run reds, space out, etc, and billboards/fines will only reduce the problem, not eliminate it.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is always always true. The lack of respect EVERYONE gives travel is terrifying. The design of that particular lane actively impedes the practice of being aware though.

[–]boomfarmer 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's why there are the little deceleration lane cutouts at all the places where you'd be turning across the bike path. They're there for you to slow down, check if it's safe, and then turn, wihtout impeding the normal flow of traffic in the car lanes.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

They aren't at all the places just the big ones. I would still prefer the 4th style lane or no bike lane on summit. Visibility is king.

[–]boomfarmer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's true, they aren't there for driveways.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

I don't like the design either, but now that it's there, you are risking your life a little more trying to be in the road then in the lanes, because people freak the fuck out. I fell the way yo do about sharing when it comes to the multi-use trail. I try to be curious and not treat walkers like cars treat me. THIS IS DIFFERENT. This is the only place in all of the traffic infrastructure that is meant only for bikes. The expectation from motorists is that bikes use them and get out of there way.

It's not okay to be in a traffic lane with headphones in not paying any attention. If someone did it in the road you would change your tune in a fucking second. Well this is a Bike road.

[–]VanDriver1 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

Where you are wrong is "this is a bike road." No it is not. it is a major automobile street and has been for years. It moves a lot of traffic out of town. The painted area has been there for less than a few months, and those months have been in the winter. What you don't get is that just because they paint and put up signs doesn't meant that people will do that. Either on purpose or by accident. But in an accident between a cyclist and a car the cyclist always loses. You said "high speed" cyclist. It is for careful city cyclists who are commuting, together with cars pedestrians. Not wanna be road racers.

[–]DRUMS11 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the original point was that runners are using the bike lane, putting both in danger. It's analogous to running in the middle of an automobile traffic lane.

[–]VanDriver1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't see it this way. It's not a mixed use lane. Pretty soon there will be indignant young mothers pushing strollers down the bike lane with a glaring look when a bike passes them. I also heard him say me, me, me. In the city that just won't work. We all just have to try and get along. My point is and was that that is a very dangerous experiment. It is not at all well thought out and people will get hurt. What we don't need are racers flying through there screaming about their rights. If you want to go fast, take it outside the city. I have cycled for a lot of years and a lot of miles. THE LAW says that bicycles should ride WITH traffic (cars) and obey the same laws. I don't believe in bike lanes at all.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

The bike lane is a bike road. I get your point, but the implication that I am some shit ball because I want to ride the speed I am capable of on my Commute is awfully shitty. You also don't get to preach to me about cyclist on car interaction I live it every day.

[–]boomfarmer 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

ride the speed I am capable of

The speed limit or less. Not the maximum speed you're capable of.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which is nearly always the case, but point well taken.

[–]VanDriver1 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I am not calling you or implying that you are a shit ball or anything. I totally respect you. I am a cyclist. I like to go fast. "The speed you are capable of" is where you are wrong and disregarding the needs of others. You, as an individual, and we, as a group, can not ONLY think about ourselves and what we want at any particular moment, completely disregarding the SAFETY OF OTHERS.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

IT's a traffic lane. The only people making it not safe to go fast are the people who shouldn't be in it. SEE POST TITLE

[–]VanDriver1 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, I can't say that it's been nice talking with you but I will say Good luck to you.

[–]tysole 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I whole heartily agree with this. Not a biker. But God damn does it piss me off when I see some slop jalop on his bike on the god damn sidewalk.

[–]_Schmegeggy_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're absolutely right in that bike lanes should be for bike use only... But maybe if there is little to no bike traffic on any given day, someone using it as a smooth track for running/jogging or even using it at all isn't doing anything wrong.

If anything they're making good use out of our tax dollars rather than nobody using it and it being a gigantic waste. Loading zone use excluded of course. That's just messed up.

[–]BournGamer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think OP linked that its against the law for pedestrians to use it though. Your logic is sound but the law is the law...

[–]AndyGene 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

Does that mean the larger lanes are for cars only, because it seems you guys really bitch when we suggest that.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

I would say, that if there are bike lanes and they are actually usable most cyclists would agree that they should be in the bike lane. With that said, we do have to turn left and do other things that require not always being where you want us.

[–]EcoBuckeyeGalloway 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Page 11 shows the bike leaving the protected lane to turn left in the roadway. https://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Planning/SPR/bicycle/Documents/ODOTCyclingSmarterGuide.pdf

There's also a queue box: https://www.columbus.gov/queuebox/

And a bike box: https://www.columbus.gov/bikebox/

It would be helpful if all motorists, pedestrians and cyclists knew what these things mean.

[–]DRUMS11 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish we had more bike boxes. In the areas I frequent I think I've seen one.

[–]MiniAndrettiColumbus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Precisely this.

[–]mula_bocf -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hold up, friend. Do not even start with your whole logical consistency bullshit when it comes to bike road usage.....

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

They are, however, loading zones for semis at store fronts. I'll leave you room if I can, but it isn't always possible.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Are they though? Are trucks not to be in the parked car lane too? I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just asking.

[–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yep. I talk to cops all day long. Every single one says to park wherever I can fit so long as car traffic gets through. That's our rule at the plant as well.

We park wherever. Like at the campus liquor store on high, I parallel park along the front if I can. Otherwise I park in the middle lane and watch busses freak out. We used to park around back (and the 16 bay trucks still do as they are 2 feet lower), but I guess a tall truck snagged a power line in the alley and we aren't allowed back there. And we had to go through the oreilly auto parking lot anyway because of how tight the turn is. Google it and you'll see the dilemma

On 4th at chittenden is both a carry out and a bar. Every one of us from all the delivery companies park either in the combo left turn/bike lane or on chittenden facing east toward 4th and taking up the entire right lane.

You gotta do what you can in the trucks. People don't pay attention and will drive right into you, and still find a way to shift blame.

Edit wrong auto parts.

[–]Philster512 -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Did you use to work for Pepsi? Your name seems really familiar. The more I talk to you the more I feel like I've interacted with you at some point on High. If not from only thinking how much that sucks to deliver from the turn lane.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

My name sounds familiar because it is the name of the guy who wrote common sense, rights of man, age of reason, and who was a founding father of these United States.

But no, I don't work for Pepsi. We probably have chatted if you're there on Wednesdays. Stop by around noon at the campus liquor store. You'll probably see me. Or 730 at the shell on summit. Campus is my usual Wednesday route. Always take my lunch at the canes off dodridge if you're over that way. Yum.

Reminds me of another bitch of a spot. Across from the Ohio Union on I think 13th where it dead ends Into tobacco international and ethyl and tank. Trying to navigate a truck through there is nasty business. Had my normal route blocked by a tour bus (no clue why it was there) , so I had to do a 40 point turn in the parking lot behind tobacco international and drive the wrong way down a one way street. Sigh

Edit: I didn't realize you were a driver as well til I saw you mentioned losing space to surge. Hell, we probably do know each other. I'm known for having a large beard if that helps. We all lost space to coke in some way.

[–]NSNickWeinland Park 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Trying to navigate a truck through there is nasty business. Had my normal route blocked by a tour bus (no clue why it was there

They've got the same problem you do with parking, except they're parking at the Newport.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didn't even consider the Newport.

[–]Philster512 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Common sense. . . That's it 10th grade American History is all coming back to me now. . .

Cane's off Dodridge. . . Mmmk I'm pretty sure we've at least shared a male slight head nod now. . . Small world.

Edit: I tend to eat at that canes if I make that Sunoco in front my last stop. To make that last statement seem less odd.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

And the one day I say I'm on my route, I'm not. I'm in the hood today. :-/

[–]Philster512 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Get yourself an eight-ball and a blow job. Turn that negative into an HIV positive.

[–]sanseriph74 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel your pain, the first time I tried those new lanes I almost ran over a pack of joggers that came out of side street, I actually brushed one with my handlebars and almost lost control. They said something not so nice but I was zipping past and didn't hear them. There will be some growing pains while everyone figures the new lane structure all out. In the meantime, I'm usually riding on trails in Dublin and I have to dodge strollers, dogs, old ladies walking, joggers, runners, tour de france wannabes who insist on going top speed at all times, etc and it makes life exciting. I killed a goose coming around a blind curve a couple of years ago and felt really bad about it, I'd hate to actually smack into a person or a pet.

[–]gameldClintonville 3ポイント4ポイント  (13子コメント)

Huh, so a vehicle is moving at speed and has to slow down and/or dodge a slower-moving means of transportation because the slower one won't get over into a space designated for it/ a space more appropriate to it.

Drivers have dealing with this bullshit with bikes for years, dude. Deal with it like most drivers did or do like a handful of angry/stupid drivers did and start running them over. Or, you know, start requesting that the police start paying attention to who is in the bike lane.

Also, stop at red lights and acknowledge that cars are going to go faster than you always and thus should be given the right of way on all roads (which was the design of the roads), not just those that happen to have brand new bike lanes. If you have to stop to get over to allow a car/cars to get past then deal with it. You can't be both a car and a pedestrian as the mood/convenience strikes you. Then again, maybe asking the police to pay attention to who is in the bike lane would backfire and cyclists would start getting pulled over for running red lights and generally acting entitled, too.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

The road is not a designated space for only cars. We pay taxes just like you, and make it easier for you to park etc. go get a less outdated argument.

Cars break the law just as much as bike do.

You are right, bikes do need different laws. We probably shouldn't be required to stop at most stop signs when a yield would suffice, but until the law changes, most of us will follow the law like we have been.

P.S. when cyclists do break the law, it isn't in a 2000 pound killing box. That is NOT an excuse but it certainly matters when we are discussing the seriousness of all this.

[–]boomfarmer 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

We probably shouldn't be required to stop at most stop signs when a yield would suffice

That's also true for cars, Ron Paul argues.

But I digress.

[–]Ohm_My_GodYe Olde Towne East 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

The laws are commonly referred to as "Idaho Bike Stop Laws" as it was the first state to implement them.

  • A bicycle at a stop sign can treat it as a yield sign.

  • A bicycle at a red light can treat it as a stop sign.

This mimics how most bicyclists actually rides and represents the lower speed, higher maneuverability and different acceleration of a bicycle over a motor powered vehicle.

[–]ArugulaTits 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, that's the law in Idaho because nobody fucking lives in Idaho. It makes sense in a rural, underpopulated area.

[–]Ohm_My_GodYe Olde Towne East 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Idaho was the first state but not the only state to implement them. Eventually I expect all states will implement them.

[–]sruckusVictorian Village 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That sounds amazing and echos what I have thought about. Bicycles are inherently less dangerous and so the rules should be a little different from the cars. Would be nice to see some progression on that front in Columbus.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Agreed. There are all kinds of stats on how dangerous 4 way stops are.

[–]boomfarmer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

TRAFFIC LIGHTS FOR THE TRAFFIC GOD.

[–]gameldClintonville 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

P.S. when cyclists do break the law, it isn't in a 2000 pound killing box. That is NOT an excuse but it certainly matters when we are discussing the seriousness of all this.

What does matter about that statement is that bicycles are are actively putting themselves in the way of 2000-pound kill boxes when they run stop signs and red lights, and drivers are terrified of doing so.

And yes, cars also break the law. However, I have not heard of one time that a cyclist got pulled over for failing to signal, running a light, or in any other way making it unsafe for others on the road.

I'll concede a yield vs. a stop depending on the intersection. Summit? 4th? High? Absolutely always stop when entering these major streets and for every lighted/signed street, too. Side streets? Less so.

And the taxes paid? Yes, everyone pays those taxes. Does that give joggers or other pedestrians the right to use it? No. The cyclists are an exception because they aren't the same as pedestrians, but then they also aren't the same as cars and so need to respect the fact that roads were designed with cars in mind, not bikes.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

It matters because we have the same right to the road and are safer for everyone else then cars are. The idea that drivers don't do all of those things is hilarious. Of course cyclists get pulled over.

[–]ArugulaTits 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

You are not 'safer for everyone else' than cars are. As a pedestrian, all of my dangerous encounters have been from bikes on sidewalks. I know you already addressed that earlier and claimed to be against it, but the suggestion that bikes are 'safer for everyone' ignores those of us who are using our hooves instead of a vehicle.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry you have had those encounters. There is no excuse for riding a bike on the sidewalk. Consider however, that even if you had been hit the damage would have been next to nothing compared with a car.

[–]Ohm_My_GodYe Olde Towne East -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have not heard of one time that a cyclist got pulled over for failing to signal, running a light, or in any other way making it unsafe for others on the road.

It is less common but it does indeed happen.

[–]TotesMessenger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a bot, bleep, bloop. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit:

If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads. (Info / Contact)

[–]KoontzyCubClintonville 1ポイント2ポイント  (20子コメント)

Hey there Columbus (particularly campus). As you may know 4th and summit received some pretty drastic changes in the last year in terms of removing car lanes and adding bike lanes. So here is the thing. Please USE THEM on Summit and 4th instead of holding up bus and other traffic cruising down High street.

[–]stephentszuterDowntown 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I hate to break it to you, but it's not bicycles that are causing traffic on High Street.

[–]KoontzyCubClintonville 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh certainly not independently they aren't. But with the construction and heavy bus and pedestrian traffic during commute times they unnecessarily exacerbate the problem. I see it on a daily basis.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (16子コメント)

cruising down High street

And where are the bike lanes on high exactly ?

[–]MisterFlibbleGahanna 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

He/She's saying if you use Summit and 4th, you won't be holding up traffic on High.

[–]bobracha4lyfe 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which is true of literally every transit mode

[–]mula_bocf 9ポイント10ポイント  (12子コメント)

There aren't any. Use the lanes on 4th and Summit instead of High. That's his point.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yeah and if you need to be on High why would you be on either of those roads ?

[–]mula_bocf 7ポイント8ポイント  (10子コメント)

The same reason that you would avoid driving on High. The other two are faster, less congested alternatives.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Which people probably do, if it makes sense with where they are going.

[–]KoontzyCubClintonville 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

It is like a block or two east, at most. And you're on a bike. Take Summit and jump over at the closest cross street to where you need to go.

[–]bobracha4lyfe 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

It might be easier if the cars just hop a couple blocks east to 71 or west to 315, then they can take a cross street to their destination. We spent a lot of money building these large interstate systems.

[–]boomfarmer 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your sarcasm is not appreciated in this thread, apparently.

[–]bobracha4lyfe -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It rarely is, but my mom thinks I'm a hoot...

[–]mula_bocf 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yep. At most, cyclists would need maybe 500 yards of riding on High given all the cross streets.

[–]boomfarmer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The farthest is 2500 feet from High and Hudson to Hudson and Summit. The closest is about 1000 feet, from High and 5th to Summit and 5th. The cross streets, with the exception of Hudson and Lane, aren't major cross streets, and in many blocks there isn't a straight shot from High to Summit. There are no dedicated bike paths from High to Summit.

My usual campus-to-Summit route is:

  1. Woodruff, left on High at the light.
  2. High, right on East Woodruff.
  3. East Woodruff, left on Waldeck.
  4. Waldeck, right on Frambes.
  5. Frambes, left on Indianola.
  6. Indianola, right on E Lane.
  7. E Lane, turn either direction onto Summit's bike lane according to the light.

That's four extra stopsigns and some extra brick portions of the road, all because I try to avoid East Lane. The drivers there are not bike-friendly, and the road there is not wide enough for two-way traffic around bicyclists.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

If I need to go TO A PLACE ON HIGH STREET I am going to AT SOME POINT in my ride, be on high street. That is all I am saying. I avoid High like the plague, but if it's where I am going, I will at some point be on it.

[–]KoontzyCubClintonville 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

That is completely fair. But as someone who commutes on the 2 down from Clintonville to downtown every day, I see plenty of bikers just cruising down High all the way from Old North Columbus to the law school. They are doing nothing but hold up traffic and put themselves in more danger than using the nice, new, protected lanes just a block or so away.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, that stuff is aggravating.

[–]KoontzyCubClintonville -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

There aren't, that's the point. Use the nice, wide, protected ones they spent all that money to build for everyone just a block or so east.

[–]schadkehnfreudeClintonville 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know this doesn't quite work for for Clintonville-to-campus commuting but as someone who lives pretty close to High Street, I personally prefer using Calumet for a lot of my north-south travel - it's a quarter of the congestion of High, Summit OR 4th.

Also, I kind of hate the 4th street lane - rode it the other day and I didn't feel good at all watching for passing traffic on my right shoulder when I watch over my left shoulder on pretty much every other road. I get why it's on the left side of 4th - to avoid blind right turns and getting car-doored but on the left side that it IS on you are still at risk of blind left turns thwacking you. I appreciate that there are tradeoffs but on the whole, I'd just as soon either move the lane of the right (east) side of 4th like every other bike lane in existence or just use Summit's 2-way for north-south commuting.

[–]bmglaw 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Bike Lanes by Casey Neistat

[–]boomfarmer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This, I feel, is exactly why they put the bike lane between the parked cars and the curb, instead of putting the bike lane on the traffic side of the curb parking.

[–]MisterFlibbleGahanna 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well yeah, those barrels and temporary structures just menacingly pop up out of nowhere. You can't expect something with a 2-3 foot width to navigate around them or weighing roughly 200lbs to slow down or stop quick enough when you see them.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

exactly

[–]GaylordWilliamz 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've only seen bicyclists using the bike lanes a handful of times. Meanwhile during rush hour 100 cars will pass through a minute. Why they did it I don't know. It is definitely not in the interest of the majority.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The lanes were always a traffic calming measure. They were put in place because the traffic from 4th and summit just bottle necks in other places and developers wanted to encourage the use of other routs.

[–]mooomoocowplus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope

[–]akai_ferret 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well I'll be damned if this comment section isn't the quintessential picture of /r/columbus.
(the subreddit, not the city)

[–]CleanthonyBurfictEaston -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Bikers are among the most annoying people on earth.

I am thrilled people are making your life miserable... and miserable you do seem.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

May you be hit by a truck ;)

[–]crbiker -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

You live at Easton. You live at a fucking mall in Ohio. Think about that for a second.

I'm sure you're one of the least interesting people inside 270.

[–]CleanthonyBurfictEaston -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please stop being so mean to me

[–]deesee79East -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

NOT a Bike lane BTW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7YOa-NWYEk

[–]clotting -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

There's no such thing as high speed bicycle traffic. You're all slow as fuck and I hate every single one of you who don't care that I'm crawling at a snails pace behind you while you furiously pedal and feel like you're going 30 mph. You're not.

[–]crbiker 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You should try moving out of the city, then.

[–]clotting -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

And let you bike-riding weirdos win? Yeah, I think not.

[–]mayowarlordClintonville[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good thing you can go around and go as fast as you want.

[–]sruckusVictorian Village -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aw, poor you and that extra 2 minutes to get where you're going.

[–]Vayate -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I like the new bike lanes. They make it way easier to turn bicyclists into hood ornaments.

[–]crbiker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why would you say that?