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[–]crash_matrix 122ポイント123ポイント  (20子コメント)

I'm glad you found a voice. A true society which is free must, by its very definition, have freedom of expression. And censorship is incompatible with such principles. I've been carefully observing #GamerGate since September, but didn't fall into the "direct advocate" side until I saw that horribly slanted piece on Nightline. I think I speak for most of #GamerGate proponents when I say: Be objective and honest, and we'll always have your back - even if we don't agree with you.

[–]Maslo59 42ポイント43ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm glad you found a voice. A true society which is free must, by its very definition, have freedom of expression. And censorship is incompatible with such principles.

Indeed. And some people (I have noticed it more from the opponents of Gamer Gate movement and from our resident reddit SJWs) are always very quick to dismiss any social censorship efforts (not those caused by the government, but by private citizen organizations, media, very strict moderators..) as "nothing to do with free speech", as if only the government could be capable of censorship. They are reducing the wider, general principle of free speech to just the legal principle, as if nothing beyond that exists. There is also the one xkcd comic that is guilty of this misinterpretation. Yet when we look up the definition of censorship, we see this:

Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.[1]

Governments, private organizations and individuals may engage in censorship. When an individual such as an author or other creator engages in censorship of their own works or speech, it is called self-censorship.

Freedom of speech is not just a legal principle. Its a general principle (on which the narrower legal one is based on) - that you will use the power you hold to silence others as little as possible, in private or government setting, even if they say opinions you disagree with. If we destroy this culture of free speech (in gaming, on reddit, internet, real life..) and replace it with pervasive culture of censorship and politically correct silencing of non-conforming ideas, its almost just as bad as government censorship. Perhaps even more, since this insidious kind of censorship can be dismissed with the fallacious argument mentioned above, and many people who dont realize that freedom of speech is not just strictly legal principle bounding the government will be persuaded and will deny that any problem exists.

[–]mister_ghost 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gah I hate that comic.

The title text reads

I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.

and it's ridiculous. That's not what someone means when they try to assert their right to free speech, and everyone knows it.

However, when someone's accused of censorship and they respond with "free speech only protects you from the government", they are making that concession. The're admitting that the best things they can say about their censorship is that they aren't the government, so it's not literally illegal.

[–]xkcd_transcriber 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Title: Free Speech

Title-text: I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.

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[–]canipaybycheck 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

A true society

Would you legally characterize reddit as a society or as a privately owned website?

[–]crash_matrix 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wasn't referring to reddit. I was referring to society. However, I can respond by saying that reddit was once a vast bastion of robust discourse, where all legal discussions were welcome. That's why it became popular. As to the social implications, reddit is not an island. There is direct censorship occurring in nearly all of the big discussion media sites (4chan, Twitter, reddit, facebook, even YouTube). When private censorship starts to become a tool of mass political manipulation, it is no longer private, but institutional.