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[–][deleted] 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

/u/XavierMendel, you're one of my favorite redditors. I remember you first from back when I frequented the plounge, and you've always been awesome. Happy Birthday!

[–]XavierMendelChannel 3[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks, good to hear it.

[–]Azu_Writes 932ポイント933ポイント x2 (157子コメント)

Daily reminder that Gawker has admitted under oath before a judge that KotakuInAction is about criticism of journalism websites.

[–]LandsknechtAndTross 751ポイント752ポイント  (77子コメント)

They lost "7 figures" when they decided to support bullying against anyone they deemed a 'nerd,' including but certainly not limited to GamerGate. Anywhere from 1 million to 9.99 million dollars of income generated from ads that abandoned them.

They threw a shitfit when JLaw's nudes were released, but defied a judges order to take Hulk Hogan's sex tape off their site.

They leaked Quintin Tarantino's script, and revealed all their money is stored in offshore accounts so even if he did sue them he'd get no cash from them.

The list goes on and on and on and on.

Gawker is the crusted shit on the sphincter of hypocrisy and idiocy.

[–]Newbdesigner 212ポイント213ポイント  (5子コメント)

Just download or buy a copy of Trust Me; I'm Lying by Ryan Holiday. It will tell you what Gawker is about.

[–]ComradePotato 66ポイント67ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm reading this right now. I will NEVER be able to look at internet media, and media in general, in the same way again.

[–]boredagain_ 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

It sounds like you should read Toxic Sludge is Good For you! Lies, Damned Lies, and the PR Industry.

[–]Troggie42 44ポイント45ポイント  (0子コメント)

+1, that book is a fantastic insight in to how new media works.

[–]Maslo59 155ポイント156ポイント  (61子コメント)

And remember when they doxxed reddit moderator Violentacrez against his will and he lost his job because of it? He had a wife and children dependent on him.

[–]residentreject 40ポイント41ポイント  (45子コメント)

Wait. Can you expand on that?

[–]fritzvonamerika 97ポイント98ポイント  (44子コメント)

First link I could find [Wikipedia]

Tl;dr: A moderator of several controversial subs had the barrier between his account and real life removed when a Gawker reporter published an expose violentacrez didn't want published. This lead to him being fired from his job and receiving multiple death threats.

[–]autowikibot 35ポイント36ポイント  (0子コメント)

Michael Brutsch:


Michael Brutsch is a former moderator of several subreddits on the social news site Reddit who contributed under the username violentacrez. Under that account, Brutsch generated controversy due to his contributions to various sections of the site, or subreddits, devoted to explicit material. The /r/jailbait subreddit he created was a prominent subreddit on the site before it was closed down in October 2011 following a report by CNN. His ability to identify and remove illegal content from the areas he moderated helped Brutsch develop a close relationship with staff at Reddit despite his controversial activities. Brutsch's involvement with another controversial subreddit a year after /r/jailbait's closure prompted a Gawker exposé by Adrian Chen, which revealed Brutsch was the user behind the violentacrez account. This started discussion in the media about the ethics of anonymity and outing on the Internet.

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Interesting: Gawker | Brütsch | Controversial Reddit communities | Adrian Chen

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[–]StrawRedditor 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

And remember when reddit administration let it happen and didn't ban it on Reddit like they do with all other doxx? You can still see those Gawker articles posted to SRS.

[–]shepards_hamster 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gawker is the crusted shit on the sphincter of hypocrisy and idiocy.

And Buzzfeed.

[–]XavierMendelChannel 3[S] 187ポイント188ポイント  (31子コメント)

Gawker does some weird stuff.

[–]shillingintensify 184ポイント185ポイント  (11子コメント)

Spamming Twitter with Mein Kampf was hilariously stupid.

Dropping a list of every gun owner in New York, stupidly dangerous.

[–]RangerSix 78ポイント79ポイント  (0子コメント)

And both actions were worthy of the Schultz-Klink-Hogan Triple Facepalm Award.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

It gave them clicks and the fact that you're talking about it might give them more clicks and clicks is money

[–]shillingintensify 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

And that's why everyone should be using archive.

[–]White_Phoenix 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes, one of the smartest things out there to do is piss off a bunch of people with guns. Way to go Gawker, that's some ETHICAL JOURNALISM. /s

[–]jotch 43ポイント44ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not about pissing off people with guns who are by and far responsible gun owners... It's that their personal address was listed, and now less than ethical people know where they can get guns.

[–]kamon123 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or easy burglary targets as the can tell who doesn't have guns.

[–]altshiftM 42ポイント43ポイント  (18子コメント)

I remember that, Reddit was for the most part up in arms and someone even created the sub /r/BanGawker. All of this, because of that shit slinging.

[–]non_consensual 63ポイント64ポイント  (17子コメント)

Don't forget when Gawker doxed a reddit mod. And all the times they've posted candid nude photos (or sex tapes) of celebrities.

I love watching /r/GamerGhazi defend them. It illustrates their hypocrisy so perfectly.

[–]shepards_hamster 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

So why did actual reddit employees take the anitGamerGate stance?

[–]InvisibleJimBSH 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

Their political prejudices and their egos.

Infact XavierMendel was demodded from this subreddit for making this post.

[–]DeanOnFire 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks to the fallout that started with this article, and the fact that mods basically everywhere hate being transparent with their own views and agenda, dirty laundry notwithstanding, Xavier lost his mod status here.

Unsubscribed from this subreddit out of solidarity. After all, let's do safe topics like wheels and islands to sate the people with different opinions, right?

[–]LordTwinkie 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ugh can't believe your 'friend' tried to get you fired, however its not the first time they've gone this route and I'm sorry that its become untenable for you there.

The gall to keep contacting you afterwards asking you to change your mind...wtf

[–]CistemOfADown 83ポイント84ポイント  (10子コメント)

So for all of the "bring out the popcorn" and "oh man this is going to be a shitstorm" type posts, this currently stands as the most upvoted SotD and has 84% upvotes. If we assume brigading by GGers, we have to equally assume that opponents of GG had a chance to brigade/add in their votes as well. And beyond that, even SRD is saying, "where's the drama?"

I think GG is way less controversial among Redditors than its reputation would have you believe, it's just that certain mods/admins don't like it and it is thus kept off a lot of other subreddits. And n

[–]ev1lb1t 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

never got the whole "And n" thing.

[–]CistemOfADown 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

[–]distant_worlds 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would say it's more "silly" than stupid. A bit of fun to keep everyone from being too dour and serious. And really, it's based on Nathan Grayson going off on a rant accusing a journalist of corruption, after all!

[–]Meowsticgoesnya 221ポイント222ポイント  (17子コメント)

Woot woot!!

I'm excited!

I'm really proud of our most recent discovery https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2y732f/brandon_boyer_involved_in_5_more_conflicts_of/ (credit to 8chan.co/gamergate/ for that one) and our current main goal with Mark Kern (a game dev) https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2y8zhz/goal_mark_kern_bringing_back_the_league_for/

[–]Theswweet 118ポイント119ポイント  (6子コメント)

Skimmed the post, but I'm definitely gonna read the rest later.

Definitely an interesting choice!

Edit: Went back to read it; really nice post.

[–]XavierMendelChannel 3[S] 60ポイント61ポイント  (5子コメント)

Thanks. It's quite long. I seem to have a gift for verbosity. Or a curse.

[–]HBlight 70ポイント71ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was a good read, and it reinforces the idea that most of us have. aGG is the best recruitment tool for GG, the amount of hate they have for neutrals is what makes neutrals realise what the hell is going on real quick.

[–]Farlo1 228ポイント229ポイント  (48子コメント)

That was an amazing post, and happy birthday! Although I haven't been personally attacked over GamerGate I've fallen on the Pro side of things for the same reasons you express. For me it also started in /r/Games; there were posts about some collusion and unethical behavior between developers and journalists. That was pretty shitty, I added the participating parties (sites and individuals) to my mental boycott list and moved on.

I didn't see anything else for a while until some other news about the same stuff made its way to /r/PCGaming and /r/PCMasterRace, two sub-reddits that thankfully don't censor their discussions. As more and more evidence of lies and conspiracy came out I felt betrayed. I never held the gaming press in high regard, especially after GerstmannGate, but I suppose I was naive and didn't expect it to be so systemic within the industry. So I was slowly edging towards supporting GamerGate from the get-go. Then the "Gamers are dead" articles hit in unison and the screams of "muh-soggy-knee" started to ramp up. That, along with the GameJournoPros leaks pretty much cemented my support of GamerGate.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I didn't look for GamerGate, I'm not sexist or anything like that and I'm not trying to force women out of the industry. GamerGate found me by being open, exposing unethical behavior in one of my primary hobby's news industry, and welcoming a conversation without screaming me down whenever I disagreed with something.

[–][deleted] 134ポイント135ポイント  (24子コメント)

My route to supporting GamerGate was much the same.

Saw hints of it slipping through on /r/games and /r/gaming, saw those hints getting nuked from orbit by mods. Dug a little more, realised it was a genuine issue that certainly should be all over both those Subreddits, especially as they've tolerated similar news about people in the past who weren't part of that group.

I think what finally shifted me from merely curious and disgruntled to openly supporting GamerGate was finding out that certain /r/games or /r/gaming mods were communicating with Quinn via twitter.

In my opinion, those individuals should no longer be moderators - They've displayed a clear conflict of interest that ruins any credibility they may have once had and they've demonstrably acted on that conflict of interest to the benefit of one group at the expense of others.

[–]koeleskab 45ポイント46ポイント  (11子コメント)

In my opinion, those individuals should no longer be moderators - They've displayed a clear conflict of interest that ruins any credibility they may have once had and they've demonstrably acted on that conflict of interest to the benefit of one group at the expense of others.

THey're fucking teenagers. What do you expect? They're impressionable as fuck. Welcome to the internet.

[–][deleted] 63ポイント64ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ahaha you hope they're teenagers, but I bet most of them aren't.

[–]koeleskab 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

Could the universe really be such a dark place?

[–][deleted] 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nah.

It's various hues of neon pink and baby blue, with the occasional splatter of eldritchly luminous green or teal.

[–]Coup_de_BOO 18ポイント19ポイント  (11子コメント)

saw those hints getting nuked from orbit by mods. Dug a little more

Great analogy! They dig so on that with that attack we only needed a closer look to see what was really going on.

[–][deleted] 56ポイント57ポイント  (10子コメント)

If it hadn't been for the mass censorship of the topic on Reddit I likely would never have noticed nor cared about GamerGate, honestly.

So, if any of those /r/games mods see this... Thanks! You're why I ended up pro-GG.

[–]GGtorchwood 41ポイント42ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hell, they're the reason GG exists! if they'd just let it run its course, it would have been a week-long tempest in a teapot. Pissed off people find their focus more easily.

[–]Maslo59 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some people never learn that due to Streisand effect, trying to bury something on the internet usually leads to the opposite outcome.

[–]Gigglesnarf 71ポイント72ポイント  (0子コメント)

This seems like a trend. Any dissent against the established, big name game press seems to get the kind of response that pushes people toward GamerGate because the backlash is so fierce.

[–]ev1lb1t 213ポイント214ポイント  (41子コメント)

God I'd love to see them try to paint me a nazi.

I'm a certified star-wearing jew.

Anyway, watching KiA and seeing things play out has utterly changed the way I view all media, not just gaming.

I recognize that most people are sane and decent, and now see when the "politically correct" are trying to mis-attribute motivation to otherwise innocuous speech as if it were highlighted in the devil's own embers.

Refusing to throw a tantrum about terrorism in a rose garden speech does not make the president an islamic sympathizer, and a racial joke told in private emails doesn't make cops klan members.

Political correctness must be rejected in favor of actual evidence of harmed parties.

As for the people responsible for the continued suppression of hundreds of thousands of reasonable people, the most recent being a threat to the job of a google employee for daring to support diversity while using "the hashtag which must not be named", I'm calling out your behavior: You are part of the most wide-spread and most supported cyber-bullying campaign in the history of the western world, and McCarthy would be proud of you.

[–]Meowsticgoesnya 160ポイント161ポイント  (16子コメント)

I know there was one time when someone was trying to compare us to Elliot Rodger and an actual victim of him showed up and called them out https://i.imgur.com/pfvV7an.png

[–]subhorizon 50ポイント51ポイント  (2子コメント)

I remember that. The back pedaling was strong in that one.

[–]koeleskab 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh. so she actually had the fucking decency to feel bad long enough to set it aside and backpedal? because that looked fucking bad up there...

[–]TacticusThrowaway 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like the part where she(?) tries to redirect blame to GG without admitting she was wrong.

I also like the part where she's insisting Rodger being entitled and misogynist is relevant (it is), but is ignoring or unaware of the fact that he was racist, misandrist, and had a social disorder.

[–]BraindDamagedCodeMon 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

Am I a bad person for laughing at the complete lack of context on that retweet neat the bottom there? The absurdity of it just. .. caught me.

[–]LycaonMoon 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it's the 'go fuck a dog' line, that actually happened.

[–]GreyInkling 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of them tried to compare the 'harassment' to the Ferguson shooting before the riots, and I'm from St. Louis. I pointed out they were treating the GG supporters the same way the Ferguson protesters are treated (judged by the out of town looters who came in to exploit the drama) by blaming them for the actions of third party trolls. Apparently that was 'offensive' for me to say and it wasn't my 'place' to say it.

[–]ApplicableSongLyric 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

the "go fuck a dog" bit is hilarious in retrospect since it came out a couple of months later that the person who is arguing that it was "about misogyny" was revealed to be an, honest to god, by their own admission, dog fucker.

[–]TacticusThrowaway 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fun fact: Elliot Rodger hated and killed men and women. The social justice and mainstream version of the story was that he was just a misogynist, even though he killed and injured more men. In fact, his first three victims were his roommates, IIRC, and he explicitly said he wanted to kill them in his manifesto, despite claims that he was just "improvising".

[–]non_consensual 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol so much cringe

[–]Foxigon 40ポイント41ポイント  (1子コメント)

You think because you're Jewish, they wouldn't try to paint you as a Nazi? Hah!

I'm a 26-year-old OIF combat veteran and Purple Heart recipient and they tried to paint me as literally ISIS from day fucking one. These people are absolutely pathetic.

[–]koeleskab 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

God I'd love to see them try to paint me a nazi. I'm a certified star-wearing jew.

They'll work around it. They've done plenty worse before. I bet you could make them defend child-raping under the right circumstances... come to think of it, i think they've already done so.

[–]TreuloseTomate 162ポイント163ポイント  (34子コメント)

How many times have we seen people, who were neutral on the subject, being pushed into becoming pro-GG just because of the despicable behaviour of anti-GGrs?

[–]wild-tangent 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

Me.

I honestly don't like the whole media journalism reviews-for-favors thing, but it's hardly isolated to games. However, the way that the industry has responded to criticism has led me to make a happy camp on the other side of the industry.

[–]kraptor 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

Im not following GG but the comments in this thread alone make me think anti-GG are mostly Tumblrinas teenagers.

And im not a fan of Tumblrinas.

[–]captainfantastyk 56ポイント57ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot.

[–]illpoet 93ポイント94ポイント  (3子コメント)

thats how i came over to the pro side. At first i followed both sides because i like to feel like i'm observing current events, but as i interacted both sides from a neutral position I was respected/accepted by the KiA ppl and shit on by the the omg you are a troll for not agreeing with us 100 percent ppl.

[–]Senbozakura222 70ポイント71ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is what kind of pushed me off the fence as well. Kept up with both KIA and Ghazi for a few months and saw a post on ghazi about an article Brianna Wu wrote calling on Reddit's CEO to get rid of KIA labeling it a hate group. I had the audacity to call out the bull shit because this was from the same person who wanted to get someone from Ubisoft fired because he didn't agree with her viewpoint on gamergate. needless to say instead of making a counter point they just ban you over there for having a mind of your own.

Ill take the side that allows open discussion over a side that supports censorship any day.

[–]nivekpsycic 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

I got banned from /r/gamerghazi for asking for a source on a post.

Literally, my comment was "Source?"

[–][deleted] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Listen and Believe.

Sources = Patriarchy

[–]OpiningSteve 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here too. I'd guess that at this point, it's how the majority of people in GamerGate got here.

[–]DesignRed 52ポイント53ポイント  (5子コメント)

That was a pretty interesting read. I have followed GG throughout mostly out of curiosity to see where this roller coaster will go next and I will say, it's been 7 months of non-stop action. Hearing it from your side as a mod was quite illuminating as well and quite indicative of where a lot of KIA's user base comes from. Just within the last week, anti-GG flame broiled one of their loudest megaphone and idol for having coffee with one of the major Pro-GG developers(Brad Wardell of StarDock). They attack needlessly and without taking a moment to think it out, and it results in most neutrals going Pro-GG just from seeing the reactions from the other side.

P.S. If you are ever not feeling well, come talk to us. For being called the evil soggy-kneed hate mob, we tend to fail at actually organizing any hate, and mostly focus on charities and games.

[–]_Kikiriki_ 33ポイント34ポイント  (3子コメント)

Exactly, we at KiA are so misogynistic that we even celebrated when The Escapist fired a white cis male and hired two women instead.

[–]Stamp_Mcfury 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

To be fair movie bob didn't get fired.

He's retired so that he can take yoga classes full time in hopes of being able to fellate himself.

[–]morzinbo 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

You mean all of that before wasn't auto-fellatio??

[–]crash_matrix 124ポイント125ポイント  (20子コメント)

I'm glad you found a voice. A true society which is free must, by its very definition, have freedom of expression. And censorship is incompatible with such principles. I've been carefully observing #GamerGate since September, but didn't fall into the "direct advocate" side until I saw that horribly slanted piece on Nightline. I think I speak for most of #GamerGate proponents when I say: Be objective and honest, and we'll always have your back - even if we don't agree with you.

[–]Maslo59 47ポイント48ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm glad you found a voice. A true society which is free must, by its very definition, have freedom of expression. And censorship is incompatible with such principles.

Indeed. And some people (I have noticed it more from the opponents of Gamer Gate movement and from our resident reddit SJWs) are always very quick to dismiss any social censorship efforts (not those caused by the government, but by private citizen organizations, media, very strict moderators..) as "nothing to do with free speech", as if only the government could be capable of censorship. They are reducing the wider, general principle of free speech to just the legal principle, as if nothing beyond that exists. There is also the one xkcd comic that is guilty of this misinterpretation. Yet when we look up the definition of censorship, we see this:

Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.[1]

Governments, private organizations and individuals may engage in censorship. When an individual such as an author or other creator engages in censorship of their own works or speech, it is called self-censorship.

Freedom of speech is not just a legal principle. Its a general principle (on which the narrower legal one is based on) - that you will use the power you hold to silence others as little as possible, in private or government setting, even if they say opinions you disagree with. If we destroy this culture of free speech (in gaming, on reddit, internet, real life..) and replace it with pervasive culture of censorship and politically correct silencing of non-conforming ideas, its almost just as bad as government censorship. Perhaps even more, since this insidious kind of censorship can be dismissed with the fallacious argument mentioned above, and many people who dont realize that freedom of speech is not just strictly legal principle bounding the government will be persuaded and will deny that any problem exists.

[–]mister_ghost 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gah I hate that comic.

The title text reads

I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.

and it's ridiculous. That's not what someone means when they try to assert their right to free speech, and everyone knows it.

However, when someone's accused of censorship and they respond with "free speech only protects you from the government", they are making that concession. The're admitting that the best things they can say about their censorship is that they aren't the government, so it's not literally illegal.

[–]weepingphantom 96ポイント97ポイント  (19子コメント)

Yesterday I was told I lack basic human decency when I tried to defend a friend of mine against an aggro horde that brianna wu sicked on him and he was kicked out of pax. He made a joke and brianna wu took it out of context as she is known to do and got her white knights to give him shit. It makes me wonder how people can still be neutral when the opposition is this despicable. Now his account has been deactivated and I haven't heard from him since. The dude was hilarious and completely harmless but because he made an off color joke everyone went apeshit. They act like harassment is this horrible thing but will do it to someone they don't like the first chance they get. Shit like that is why I support gamergate. I've never frequented those game journalism sites. I just hate corruption and people lying to further an agenda. I will stand with gamergaters for as long as it takes until this abomination of a journalism industry is either reformed or brought down.

[–]ApplicableSongLyric 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

and he was kicked out of pax

who the what now?

Anyone got a write-up on this?

Because it's awfully fucked up that Brianna was all about enlisting "people to throw down" on Twitter in order to cause a scene and then something like this happens.

[–][deleted] 41ポイント42ポイント  (12子コメント)

Rice-eating Chinese man from Singapore living in 'Murica as a minority and been a pro-GG lurker for a while.

Before I came to this country, I considered myself a liberal and chose to attend a very lefty liberal arts college because I thought their views would coincide with mine.

Boy, was I wrong. Interacting with the crazy that is the American left made me go rightwards, and I consider myself a centrist now. I'm sorry, but all the nonsense about "safe spaces" and "trigger words" lead towards intellectual cowardice and decay, not acceptance.

Saying "being grammatically correct" is oppression is abject bullshit. English is my second language and I worked damn hard to be good at it. I'd be damned if someone gave me a convenient excuse to be mediocre at English because of "oppression".

[–]pugslayer 20ポイント21ポイント  (10子コメント)

Don't be so quick to count out the liberals in this country.

Unfortunately politics is like a mobius strip, keep traveling far enough one way and you end up on the opposite side of where you started.

The majority of us are still sane(GG is a predominantly liberal movement), but those that gained some power or have only existed in hugboxes for years have traveled so far they ended up in the fascist area of the mobius strip.

[–]unimprezzed 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ghazi shitstorm in 3... 2... 1...

[–]ThisIsFrigglish 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

They've been spinning angrily in place and spraying molten salt for ten solid hours.

[–]vivianjamesplay 91ポイント92ポイント  (15子コメント)

It's crazy how I have KIA open on a tab every time I'm online. It's a great place to keep up with all the happenings.

Thank you guys for keeping awesome!

[–]WhoSavesTheCity 77ポイント78ポイント  (14子コメント)

I have KIA open on a tab every time I'm online

KIA has a way higher Active:Sub Ratio than most subs. One of the best things about it is that people actually care.

[–]HBlight 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

TiA has 180k subs, and 1.4 active now

KiA has 29k, and 1.1 active now. (The time of checking, of course).

The most arse-awkward time during christmas I think it went around 600 active users, at peak its roughly 1.3k

That "other place" never really has more than 2-300.

[–]distant_worlds 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for writing this. It echoes the creed of myself and many others I've met. You are not alone.

[–]theone899 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Taste the salt, touch the salt, BE the salt Ghazi.

[–]Mathenaut 54ポイント55ポイント  (2子コメント)

Mother mercy.

They're no longer afraid.

[–]ki11joyace 69ポイント70ポイント  (2子コメント)

GG/KiA user here. I go to an extreme liberal college, with most of the game design students being Ghazi tier crazy against Gamergate. I'm glad to see people from a more neutral subreddit recognizing we're not the Internet Nazis that some think we are. If even a few of you choose to re-check media sources and carefully doubt a bit of what you read in your life, then I'm happy I've been a part of that.

If you're interested in some alternate video games media sources, I'd suggest The Escapist, Techraptor, and Gamesnosh :)

EDIT: Christ Centered Gamer is also a good one since it keeps its Gameplay and Morality review scores separate. For instance, it gave Huniepop a good gameplay review (they gave it 86/100 gameplay score) while keeping their issues with its morality separate (it got a 52/100 morality score). That is a very mature system of doing reviews, and even though I am not Christian, I read their website since I know I'll get a fair gameplay review of games.

[–]t0liman 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

The game design / art school i used to go to was also in this category, although it being game development there was the obligatory 28% of women in art/modelling, 8% women in games design and 0-1% in programming.

every room had a different opinion on the same topics, and different years had different "thoughts" about various issues of the day, which would spill over into the common areas on campus.

If anything of note, the school tried to convert a spare computer lab as a "safe space" for women next to the girls bathroom, the conversation online devolved into the predictable "wha? do we have to lose this lab" vs "can't you see this is outrageous, we should be more accepting of people's ideas, no matter how crazy they are" to "i'm a woman and i'm offended by the idea this is what we need on campus, instead of more computer labs".

cue to 2-3 hours later, a campus wide email asking people to be courteous when talking online, and that there was a new safe space on campus, and that people should be respectful of new ideas. needless to say, few women used the space, it wasn't ever mentioned again, the lab was repurposed a few months later.

One of the interesting electives was as GD students, we actually had a course devoted to breaking down modern issues into a researched topic, essentially what Penny Arcade's Extra Credits does, but with less drawing, and opinions backed up with academic research.

From memory, a 40-60 minute lecture on a few topics, namely about culture and how to modify ideas from games into culture topics, i.e. edutainment, social issues, serious games, simulation and simulacra, morality of violence, ethics in agency, sic. etc.

The lab, post lecture would be split into groups of 3 or 4, each group is given the pro/con side to argue for on each of 4 or 5 issues, and you'd have a week to write up a debate for next week, as well as a 2k report on the topic you studied, with references. Then you'd present last weeks issues, with 5 x 5 minute debates, proving the two sides out, and the room would vote on the side they were convinced by.

Apart from the topics, which were pretty safe, it was sort of enlightening to see where the lecturer landed on a few issues most people weren't too concerned or hadn't thought about, especially issues like the perennial "online communication is bad" in games, or how justified is DLC, gamification and politics, etc.

I seem to remember one apolitical debate with 2 sides of asian students trying to argue for/against eSports being good for society. the result was cringingly hilarious, both sides were trying to lose on purpose for different reasons.

[–]subhorizon 324ポイント325ポイント  (117子コメント)

I want those who are quick to tear down Gamergate to at least check out KotakuInAction for yourself and read up on some of our informative links. You'll find that many of the labels thrown at us are nothing close to how we operate and what our goals are.

As for the subreddit itself, we encourage open dialog. The mods are fair and don't automatically ban people if they have a different opinion.

[–]koeleskab 94ポイント95ポイント  (6子コメント)

Ghazi instabans, tho.

[–]ApplicableSongLyric 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

We don't instaban Ghazi.

We will downvote the fuck out of anyone that says something stupid.

But if you come in even handed, you get to have your voice.

[–]SelcouthBadger 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

He means the Ghazi subreddit instabans people for dissenting.

[–]smackdatbooty 165ポイント166ポイント  (62子コメント)

Trust me,they don't even bother to read the arguments in KiA.

[–]Masterofnone9 99ポイント100ポイント  (15子コメント)

All we want is more transparency and less politicking in game journalism.

[–]Khorgor666 44ポイント45ポイント  (12子コメント)

Get your politics out of the games, freedom for developers AND journalists

[–]Cac_in_the_Hat 100ポイント101ポイント  (11子コメント)

I'm all for politics in games, games are art and with that comes the ability to express political, social, religious, and any other ideas through the medium.

What I am not for is developers being forced to hold back there own work because some neo-puritans (or any other group) want to inject their ideologies into every nook and cranny of western culture.

[–]Ambivalentidea 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm all for politics in games,

Some of my favorite games fall under that in varying degrees. Hidden Agenda, where you run a fictional Banana Republic and try to make the best out of it without pissing off too many junta members to get yourself removed is a timeless classic.

Tropico is a more business management centered take on the same idea and quite good too, though maybe that's just because I'm German and we've always liked the genre.

On a less directly political level, I like games from Paradox: EU, CK or Vicky. They are pretty light on actual politics I suppose, but you can still learn quite a bit about various historical events and decide yourself on what to align with.

What they all have in common: They don't go and say this brand of extreme politics is the right one and if you disagree, you are a terrible person. That's the stuff people want to stay out of games in my experience.

PS: SJWs play HoI to fap to Hitler, I read it on tumblr, so it must be true.

[–]Khorgor666 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is something i can get behind, it is as easy as never before to get a game to the consumer, so take the chance, but do not FORCE people your believes down their throat.

[–]typhonblue 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think a lot of the hostilities come from a failure to really communicate with one another.

They are communicating perfectly. They want gamer gate to shut up and go away and they are using the narrative of "misogyny" as their weapon to get what they want.

They already know exactly what gamer gate is about and they already agree with everything it stands for on principle, they just don't want to change or acknowledge that their audience isn't lesser than them.

[–]Ravanas 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

They want gamer gate to shut up and go away and they are using the narrative of "misogyny" as their weapon to get what they want.

"Listen and believe."

[–]hugrr 33ポイント34ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hello world!

Edit- Just gone through your post OP, it's good to know a mod of r/games is actually a gamer that wants to allow discussion on this, this whole situation could have ended a lot sooner if free discussion was allowed, and people weren't corrupt/allowing/blind eyeing corruption.

Qudos for keeping to your morals while being battered by anti-gg. It's disgusting that you had to deal with baseless allegations, just as Gamergate's had to deal with.

To the rest of Reddit, welcome to KIA, I'm sure 99% of people here on Reddit couldn't care less about it, but if you're interested and want to know more just ask.

[–][deleted] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's good to know a mod of r/games is actually a gamer that wants to allow discussion on this

Ex-mod, /r/games can't handle discussion.

[–]Colawrence 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

At last, we are recognized.

As someone who has had to deal with family and friends misunderstanding the conflict at hand, I am glad to see this post.

A very happy birthday to you, Mister Mendel.

[–]Santa_Claauz 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was considering unsubbing from KiA but you've renewed my faith for awhile. Not sure I agree such a political sub should be srotd but I enjoyed the write up.

[–]Darkside_Hero 56ポイント57ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't believe it actually happened, finally! KiA should have also been a trending subreddit so many times for the past 6 months.

[–]WonkyVulture 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

I see ghazi are visiting as well, they're just lovely aren't they .. lol

[–][deleted] 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Downvotes match ghazis active users. lol.

[–]LGBTerrificUnicyclist and terrific 61ポイント62ポイント  (34子コメント)

Do I support LGBT rights? People tend to forget that asexuals are a part of that "LGBT+"

I believe the term is now QUILTBAG. Or, honestly, just start reciting the alphabet. Can't go wrong there.

[–]40keks 43ポイント44ポイント  (4子コメント)

I honestly like the term GOLBAT because it implies that were giant bat.

[–]Vallorn_ 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

"It hurt itself in it's confusion"

[–]bboven86 47ポイント48ポイント  (8子コメント)

Gender and Sexual Minorities is my personal favorite term

[–][deleted] 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Are you the Judean People's front? F&ck off. We're the Peoples Front of Judea."

[–]PratzStrike 47ポイント48ポイント  (3子コメント)

.... GaSM?

EDIT: Organization for Representation of Gender And Sexual Minorities. eeeee.

[–]Maslo59 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

But you forgot the otherkin..

OrGaSM

[–]GhostBeezer 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Triggered.

[–]Involution88 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I like GOLBATS more than LGBTQIAWTFBBQ

Edit: forgot about I and A.

[–]Kyoraki 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I never got LGBTQ. Queer means gay. You've already got gay in your acronym. Twice, if you count lesbian as another. You may as well call it 'GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY and some other losers'.

[–]sp8der 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Or, honestly, just start reciting the alphabet. Can't go wrong there.

I'm just going to start using *

[–]XavierMendelChannel 3[S] 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

I've heard QUILTBAG before. Can't remember all the acronyms, though. Alphabet works, I suppose.

What's up, LGBTerrific? You gonna be at the party tonight? We got a ball pit and milkshakes. Gonna be off the hook.

[–]ReverendSalem 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

QUILTBAG

Queer, Undecided, Intersex, Lesbian, Transgender, Bisexual, Asexual, Gay.

It's funny, but it works.

[–]Split16 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have heard that /u/XavierMendel's milkshake does attract young men to the local grassy area. I'd show up early if I were you.

[–]XavierMendelChannel 3[S] 39ポイント40ポイント  (1子コメント)

My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard, and they're like, "you're a shitlord!"

[–]lordthat100188 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dann right, your a big shitlord, i could teach you [tolerance] but id have to charge [via patreon].

[–]eDgEIN708 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

You are a big damn hero. Thank you for sharing that, and thank you for standing up for what's right.

[–]VTXShiva 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It just shows that people really care about this whole ordeal. Look at me for instance. I haven't posted or logged in on reddit since LoL Worlds last year. This brought me back. Because for once it showed that reddit had a glimpse of hope for me, for my needs. But that didn't last long it seems. People complaining about something getting traction because some other thing didn't. Really sad to see this happening.

[–]DITC01 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

This post was awesome thank you for this and I hope your birthday was chill and you had many drinks to celebrate. :)

[–]sp8der 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Congratulations on completing another lap of the sun, Xavier.

And pre-emptive commiserations about the probable hellfire about to descend on your inbox.

[–]IcicleTrepan 28ポイント29ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm not pro gamergate nor am I anti gamergate.

I'm anti-bullshit and I'm anti-censorship.

I look at both KiA and Ghazi and both are full of a ton of bullshit, but Ghazi actively wants to censor and control what games people are buying. This is a step on a very slippery slope. But the good news is it will likely fail just like the PMRC did in the 80s, just like Jack Thompson did in the 90s.

All of these phony pleas to morality backfire eventually. Explicit Lyrics stickers made albums sell MORE not less. Anything similar for games will likely do the same. People are naturally curious about things that other people don't want them to know or see, and so a lot of people will seek those things out regardless.

They know they can't censor anything directly, so they try to control the way people think and feel about these topics. It's the only tool they have since they have no actual political power (thankfully!).

Censorship is always a bad thing. As soon as you open the door to it, every special interest group that exists will be at your door with a list of things that offend them. I really don't find this to be any different than book burning.

[–]GreyInkling 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

If the best to be said of KIA is that it only exists to resist that kind of nonsense and counter it, and if in the absence of such it dies down, then that's good enough for me.

[–]Ruks 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thank you for this heartfelt post. What do I see reading it and the comments here? A bunch of good people who have been savaged by ideologues desperate to advance their agenda, who have a powerful platform - the media. I challenge anyone to read everything here and still come to the conclusion that KiA is made up of women-hating shitheads. Freedom of speech and ethical concerns are clearly the issues driving participation.

I'm sorry to hear of how poorly you were treated. Given the situation you described, I can only think if it wasn't GG then it would have been another controversy that got you banished, sooner or later.

[–]Arty6060 20ポイント21ポイント  (14子コメント)

I'm going to sound like a child when I say this, but I just wish everyone would stop fighting. It honestly feels like people are constantly trying to be offended or attack others on the internet, and GamerGate put that right into the spotlight. Its atrocious. I hate it. I'd like it to stop now. I just want to play my games without being told I'm a shitlord that doesn't support LGBT or a corrupt moron that doesn't support basic journalistic ethics. So can we just end this now, before I end up losing more faith in the industry that I rely on to not lose my sanity?

And happy birthday Xavier, I'd send milkshakes but I hear they go off after a few days of overseas travel.

[–]ThisIsFrigglish 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think we'd all like that.

But it's been a defensive network from the first, pounded by orchestrated MSM and social media salvos determined to brand it with every modern slur they can think of.

We never asked for a fight, but we're not going to fall back just because their guns keep thundering.

[–]XavierMendelChannel 3[S] 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

And happy birthday Xavier, I'd send milkshakes but I hear they go off after a few days of overseas travel.

but muh milkshakes

How am I supposed to bring all the boys to my yard now?

[–]Arty6060 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

You could ask someone to teach you to make them. I hear they charge though.

[–]XavierMendelChannel 3[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Currency is worthless in the face of milkshakes.

[–]Japots 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was a great read. Happy birthday, man.

I used to spend a few hours on twitter just following the hashtag, but KiA is a good summary of the day's happenings. Saves a lot of time!

[–]Khorgor666 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Looks at comments"

Holy shit, i think we are breaking this subreddit : )

[–]korg_sp250 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for sharing your experience. That was eloquently put. And thank you for talking with KiA, and understanding the message of the subreddit.

Have a nice day, and may lord Gaben's light shine on your steam account.

[–]ajsharer 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a long-time GG lurker, I don't foresee this going well.

Happy to watch the Popcorn inducing fireworks and participate where I'm able. Not often do I get to piss in the popcorn, today is my time.

[–][deleted] 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

I don't even feel comfortable showing my support of GamerGate. I don't understand how my opinions on the video game industry somehow make me a misogynist who wants women out of gaming. I mean, I think you would be hard-pressed to find anyone who does want women out of gaming. All this fighting and drama doesn't need to exist.

[–]theone899 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ghazi salt. SJW's, deal with it.

[–]ArchangelleDwarpig 38ポイント39ポイント  (3子コメント)

[–]JustinTheCheetah 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

I hope you love salted Popcorn, because the tears are ABOUT TO FLOW!

[–]RangerSix 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

THE SPICE- I MEAN, THE SALT MUST FLOW.

[–]kamon123 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Check the bottom of the comments. We could open a salt mine.

[–]MuNgLo 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

Happy birthday shitlord

[–]pilksahoy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great post.

[–]naitfury 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Keep fighting the good fight!

[–]blackangelsdeathsong 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I fully expect this to bring a well thought out discussion among the various subreddits that will invariably find its way to posts like these.

[–]TheCid 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh man, the tears are going to be flowing for this one.

[–]tinkertoy78 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Happy birthday! :)

I'm pretty new to reddit (KiA made me make an account), are we allowed to upvote this or would that be "brigading"?

Great read though, put a smile on my face.

[–]Rerka_Evenstar 52ポイント53ポイント  (10子コメント)

Insha'Allah Gamerghazi will be struck a death blow by this article.

[–]arinot 46ポイント47ポイント  (4子コメント)

Mash'allah? You mean insh'allah?

Former is past tense, going along the lines of a complement of something having had happened. "Allah willed X to occur" Aka: this is divine.

Inshallah is 'Allah willing', ie: hopefully Allah permits it to occur.

So downvote for not knowing your durka durk. I expect to see you after suicide vest class for your cane whipping.

[–]IVIaskerade 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I expect to see you after suicide vest class

Insh'Allah, you will not.

[–]kimaro 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

for not knowing your durka durk.

Oh, god this was hilarious why have I not heard durka durk in such a long time? I remember this being a thing in the early 2000.

[–]DarkMaskElite 26ポイント27ポイント  (3子コメント)

Arab gators unite!

[–]tanjoodo 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

هيا بنا لنحارب الإس جي دبليو في معاقلهم!!!!

[–]DarkMaskElite 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Walla this is how i feel sometimes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MERxNmXXScU

[–]tanjoodo 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

perfect

[–]Rerka_Evenstar 50ポイント51ポイント  (0子コメント)

Downvote it all you want, Ghazi. I feast on your misery.