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[–]GravitasIsOverrated 37ポイント38ポイント  (79子コメント)

Any idea what the 2011 email referenced in the Admin's comment was?

[–]southernbenz[S] 45ポイント46ポイント  (78子コメント)

[–]GravitasIsOverrated 107ポイント108ポイント  (77子コメント)

So maybe this'll be an unpopular opinion, but that kind of muddies the Admin's point. They did explicitly give permission for the receiver to be made - it seems sort of silly to demand photos of it not be shared. Maybe they regret giving permission in the first place, but it's a little late for that.

[–]Wrecksomething 79ポイント80ポイント  (3子コメント)

it seems sort of silly to demand photos of it not be shared.

That's not even what they're doing. The photo can still be shared as far as I can tell.

They just don't want it on the sidebar of their own website's gun community, as that implies something a good deal more than "reddit once allowed this logo to be used."

I don't even know why people are arguing about contract. It's their website. They could close the sub if they didn't link the content in its sidebar, or for no reason at all.

[–]Thus_Spoke 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think having that picture on a sidebar implies anything other than an overlap between reddit users and gun owners.

Reddit absolutely has the right to control the content on the website, but this seems pretty silly.

[–]fuzeebearcuck magic 44ポイント45ポイント  (54子コメント)

Either way - and regardless of who approved the logo or who took the picture - they can demand that the picture be taken off the subreddit sidebar. Reddit owns the platform, and they can revoke permission to use images of their logo.

[–]GravitasIsOverrated 21ポイント22ポイント  (51子コメント)

Reddit owns the platform and is allowed to do whatever they want with it, sure. But now we're heading into the territory of "Reddit is making you take this image down - not because it's breaking any site rules or harming somebody, but because it's potentially bad for Reddit's PR", which is kind a legitimate reason to complain about censorship IMHO.

[–]fuzeebearcuck magic 37ポイント38ポイント  (48子コメント)

People can complain all they want. Reddit admins and those they represent are exercising their own free speech by curating content on their platform as they see fit.

[–]theotherkevin23 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

The issue is people won't leave the website. They can go anywhere else, but refuse.

[–]PixyFreakingStixsubtle SRS shill 14ポイント15ポイント  (35子コメント)

That doesn't absolve them of criticism, though.

[–]cabforpitt 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

No one is arguing that they can't. It's that they shouldn't.

[–]ravencrowed 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is what everyone always misses when it comes to these debates

"LOL THESE PEOPLE THINK REDDIT IS BREAKING FOS LAW!"

No, people just want to advocate for more transparency and openness as a general principle of organising regardless of whether it is a law or not. It's strange because Freedom or speech doesn't just exist as an American Law, it can be seen a way of creating a safe space for discussion.

I mean when people say "this is the reddit's admins right to do what they want", they are correct. but this doesn't mean that people who use reddit can't discuss the advantages and disadvantages of it.

A lot of people seemed to forget that credo when the mods got upset at the admins and closed down their subreddits for a BLACKOUT!. When that happened, a lot of commentators on places like SRD where applauding the mods for standing up to the admins, yet when users criticise mod rules or admin rules, the general consensus seems to be "stop whining, you don't own this site"

[–]fuzeebearcuck magic 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

I understand this, and I'm saying they should if it protects their brand.

[–]terminator3456 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lmao they absolutely SHOULD. How dare a company be concerned with PR?!?!?

[–]Sojourner_Truth 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think anyone is suggesting that because they are complaining that reddit no longer has the right to do something.

The complaint is legitimate and worthy of discussion, imo.

[–][deleted] 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

They are realizing the odds until a shooter says he got his ideas from Reddit are increasing and that it wouldn't take the media very long to find that picture and then turn it into a, "Reddit endorses gun violence, as evident by this photo" shitshow.

[–]98785258 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just like when violentacrez got caught and CNN labeled reddit as a child porn website.

2 days before Elliot Rogers shot up his town, one of his manifesto vids was the top post on r/cringe, he was even in the comments trying to defend himself. We're lucky the news agencies didn't get ahold of that.

All the admins are doing is protecting their own, and the community's, collective asses.

[–]IronEngineer 31ポイント32ポイント  (17子コメント)

Sporkicide decided to comment.
Let's see how that works out for him.

[–]craftycthonius 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

mod level: cuck

Seems to be going well

[–]the92jays 39ポイント40ポイント  (6子コメント)

What's the potential problem? We don't see a problem.

I'm shocked.

[–]SpaceCopLovesHotDogsB===👊D💦 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

It’s a bold strategy Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off for him.

[–]LargeMobOfMurderers 34ポイント35ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sporkicide: "Can everyone take a step back here and talk like adults, or at least in the sense of not filling Krispy's inbox up with hate anymore?"

tanukihat: "How about: Fuck you instead"

That'll teach a private company to try and exercise control over their own website, damn censor-happy communists.

[–]Amelaclya1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow. Lots of anger. And why? It's not like it really affects anyone at all.

I mean, I don't necessarily agree, but I can see why people get upset over rules changes and stuff like that, but the picture in the sidebar affects no one. It's so silly.

[–]Honestly_ 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

As someone who is familiar with trademark:

"Boy, what a mess!"

I don't want to be involved (IANYL, etc).

Excellent popcorn, though.

[–]johnlocke95 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

The trademark thing is just an excuse. There is tons of Snoo related stuff out there that Reddit ignores. Even illegal content like drug paraphernalia.

The reality is they just don't want to be associated with guns and are lying to look better.

[–]SpiveyArms 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Question then, how big of a difference does it make when they approved the engravings?

[–]jeblis 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reddit has become the poster child for the slippery slope censorship argument.

[–]pressbutton 328ポイント329ポイント  (80子コメント)

sounds like good ol classic admin PC faggotry. shame. you do you, JJ, thank you for the amusing sidestep in compliance. [+52]

It's like, they think we are PC because we want to crush pussy. [+19]

Smash. The term is smash... 😀 [-19]

Wooshy woosh. Go watch south park. [6+]

Honestly can people who watch South Park hold a conversation with another human being and not quote something from the show?

[–]HandjobSally 217ポイント218ポイント  (53子コメント)

The funniest thing about them quoting South Park is that the finale was very anti-gun.

[–]-SetsunaFSeiei- 107ポイント108ポイント  (42子コメント)

But the question is, did the gun nuts realize that the finale was very anti-gun?

[–]HandjobSally 85ポイント86ポイント  (10子コメント)

I haven't seen any outrage about it (other than people saying it was disappointing). Honestly, this isn't the first time the show has had a negative take on gun culture. The Zimmerman episode was pretty negative about stand-your-ground laws and gun culture. I'm guessing that since Trey and Matt are libertarian they get a free pass.

[–]halfarthe dude who does all those fucking navy seal flanders posts 32ポイント33ポイント  (8子コメント)

I'm guessing that since Trey and Matt are libertarian they get a free pass.

Lol.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/moviesandtv/columns/moviebob/10638-South-Park-As-A-Gated-Community

[–]GrandTyromancer 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why on Earth was that article a two-pager?

[–]halfarthe dude who does all those fucking navy seal flanders posts 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

igdaf, but I enjoyed both of them.

[–]ElManBearJew 36ポイント37ポイント  (15子コメント)

I felt like it was both anti-gun and pro-gun, it took both sides' extremes of rhetoric and put them on display: Guns being able to be easily obtained by children and sold freely on the open market (Left view) and guns seemingly solving all problems merely cause everyone has them (Right view). It was the love-child of a Hillary Clinton stump speech and a Ted Cruz rally, I thought they did a great job of playing out both extremes

[–]-SetsunaFSeiei- 10ポイント11ポイント  (14子コメント)

Are guns not sold freely at gun stores? Honest question as I'm not too aware of the process in the States. People definitely make it seem like it is quite easy to get them

[–]ElManBearJew 25ポイント26ポイント  (8子コメント)

It varies pretty wildly state to state, Im from Connecticut and we have some extremely restrictive gun laws, you need to have a permit to be able to buy a rifle, which requires finger-printing and a safety course and a few other things, and then also pass background checks and the like. But thats among the most rigorous processes in the country. Some states it is less so, but I believe most every state has at least background checks for guns purchased at a gun store

[–]CollumMcJingleballsAuthor of Pulitzer Prize winning Batman V Superman Essay 14ポイント15ポイント  (7子コメント)

In North Carolina you can go to any Dick's and buy a gun. Dick's the sporting goods store, that is.

[–]elokr 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

In North Carolina you can go to any Dick's and buy a long gun

Still need a permit for a pistol or a valid ccw

Stores still do a background check on any gun purchase.

[–]ElManBearJew 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, you can do that in most WalMarts too, I know there is a gun section at the one near me in Eastern PA

[–]-SetsunaFSeiei- 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wow. And the ammo as well? That seems pretty crazy, I would think they would at least check for state residency or something. You have to be 18+ I assume?

[–]Nuclear_Chicken 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

Any store you buy a gun from will do a background check and you have to prove you are a resident of the state. (Show your license/state id) This is the law for ALL states. Some states have added bullshit that makes it take longer. Its not as simple as walk in, drop the cash, walk out no questions asked. Private sales between citizens is a different ball game with vary degrees of difference based on state.

[–]Kimano 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's also all the shit coming from differences in handguns vs long guns. Any long gun is much easier to get than a handgun, and long guns rarely have the mandatory 4-something day waiting periods that handguns have.

[–]Anerriphtho_Kybos 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I live in both Hawaii and Kentucky. In Kentucky I have bought and sold guns 100% legally in supermarket parking lots. In Hawaii you would go to prison for that.

[–]Hindu_WardrobeEllen Pao's oppressive kegels 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

In Arizona, yes.

[–]TheOgre1990 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are, but you have to show ID, fill out a form, and pass a background check at a bare minimum.

Even in states that have private sales between individuals you have to show ID and prove you're at least 18 and live in the state.

[–]AlgeeA man who shaves his beard for a woman deserves neither 14ポイント15ポイント  (12子コメント)

[–]rynosaur94 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I saw it as more poking fun at the drama around the gun debate. In the episode guns are both hilariously easy to obtain, but also solve or help to solve EVERY single problem the characters have.
It's making fun of both sides I think.

[–]dumnezero$hill for big equality 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

And at least accepting of "PC", if not supporting. I was hoping they were going to twist everything at the end. And they did.

[–]Third_FergusonBorn with a silver kernel in my mouth 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably because they don't take South Park so seriously. It's just a show and sometimes they make fun of something you believe. No biggie for most people.

[–]JoshSidekick 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely. I've been a fan since episode one and I can say with full certainty, cheesy poofs. Mom, bring me cheesy poofs.

[–]robotortoiseI'm a Bots Rights Activist, also known as a BRA. 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly can people who watch South Park hold a conversation with another human being and not quote something from the show?

Yeah, it's just confirmation bias. The ones you see quoting the show are odviously South Park fans, but the fans you don't see quoting the show you wouldn't know are SP fans.

[–]DayMan4334 2ポイント3ポイント  (19子コメント)

I feel embarrassed that I like/liked South Park. I said past tense because the show has gone to shit the last few seasons.

[–]Karmaisforsuckers 34ポイント35ポイント  (18子コメント)

South Park's politics really appealed to me when I was an Edgy 14 year old thinking I was so brave and smart. And I LOVED South Park when it was 95% humour 5% politics. South Park's humour is still great, but there's barely any of it in South Park anymore. It's just 99% politics,. Trey and Matt are funny and clever guys, but when it comes to politics they're a couple simple minded idiots.

[–]IwannaliveonthemoonStealth Jew 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

I didn't think the season finale was simple minded at all, the conclusion to how we deal with society and advertising was well thought out. Or "The Hobbit" even though that was a few years back, dealing with how prevalent image is becoming over substance and how helpless people can feel to fight back.

Let's not forget the Black Friday trilogy which was only last year, which was just a fun GoT themed romp. The commentary on politics was GRRM taking forever to put out his books, which is to say there really wasn't any. Framing Black Friday as violently insane isn't a political statement, it's a consequence of a guy getting trampled to death at a Walmart.

You can not like South Park's political views, but an actual critique is going to get you further than "simple-minded idiots." Because that is the level of oversimplification and self jerking used by the South Park fans everyone is bitching about.

[–]craftycthonius 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Your response to them being called idiots in terms of politics is...to showcase episodes you mention aren't political?

[–]IwannaliveonthemoonStealth Jew 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Way to purposely ignore the part where he is arguing that South Park is 99% politics.

[–]IwannaliveonthemoonStealth Jew 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the first two episodes I mentioned are political by their standards. It's like I provided examples for both arguments or something. Crazy isn't it?

[–]hamie96 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

I really wish South Park would go back to clever plotlines from the earlier seasons rather than constantly focusing on current events. The best episodes South Park has ever produced (Scott Tennorman Must Die, Asspen, Good Times With Weapons, Butter's Own Episode) never forced politics down your throat like the newer episodes do constantly.

[–]godofcatslieberal shill 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

South park always has been really political though, it's just that a lot of the episodes are focused on things that aren't big issues anymore, so they don't seem as political.

[–]HadinGarKan 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

When your show lasts 19 seasons you start running out of ideas. It's either comment on current events or turn into whatever The Simpsons has become.

[–]hamie96 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which is why they should've ended with "You're Getting Old". It was the perfect send-off to South Park.

[–][deleted] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

but when it comes to politics they're a couple simple minded idiots.

And the fans are somehow even worse

[–]fomacide 73ポイント74ポイント  (4子コメント)

I always get this weird twinge when Reddit gets protective about their IP. For a site that has a UFC fight on the frontpage and lives and thrives on centralizing other people's IP(for the most part) it seems a bit wrong in some way.

[–]johnlocke95 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel the same. Reddit heavily benefits from users stealing intellectual property.

[–]maggotshavecoocoons2objectively better 86ポイント87ポイント  (13子コメント)

Reddit pretends it's a democracy but it's really a dictatorship, they can squash us like a bug if they feel like it. They've done it to plenty of subs before.

WHAT IS THE REAL WORLD?!?!!?

[–]southernbenz[S] 46ポイント47ポイント  (4子コメント)

An MTV show that aired from 1992 - 2013.

[–]Tashre 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

What the hell? It kept going after the early 2000s?

[–]vernalagniaShe shills sheshills by the shillshore 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's actually still running, they just changed the name to just "Real World" in 2013.

[–]maggotshavecoocoons2objectively better 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh, right, thanks.

[–]Mousse_is_Optional 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Existential crisis averted.

[–]Konami_Kode_mo buttah mo problems 26ポイント27ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't think the Reddit admins ever tried to give the impression there was anything democratic going on.

[–]maggotshavecoocoons2objectively better 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's these unhinged people who mistake reddit dot com for being the whole world.

[–]justcool393TotesMessenger Shill 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's actually really untrue. I mean, does no one remember Yishan "reddit is a new type of government" Wong's post?

The main MODERATION system is based around voting; actual removals and the like take a backseat.

[–]Konami_Kode_mo buttah mo problems 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Moderation has almost nothing to do with voting. It is pure authoritarian power, whether a post lives or dies, with the votes having no impact.

And the Administration is almost totally hands-off - "mods are gods" is definitely not a democratic ideal.

[–]AquelecaraDEpoaHuehuehuehue 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

When are the next admin elections?

[–]NotATroll71106Social Justice Dragonborn 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit pretends it's a democracy

How? It's a private site where the Admins do whatever their higher ups tell them to do who then do what their stockholder tell them.

[–]LoyalServantOfBRDWhat a save! 205ポイント206ポイント  (10子コメント)

Just remember, the people that are upset and screaming "CENSORSHIP" are the same people that actually want to put Snoo on their belongings

[–][deleted] 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

Seiously who the hell wants to put a snoo logo on anything?

[–]OIPmore of a 'duh, duh' idiot 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

a reddit-logo engraved gun is actually the worst thing i can imagine right now

getting shot by one would be worse than dying via erotic auto-asphyxiation mishap

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

a reddit-logo engraved gun is actually the worst thing i can imagine right now

What about a Digg.com or Newgrounds gun

[–][deleted] 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what has me the most confused about the whole thing. This many people want to identify personally with Reddit? These must be the same people who put Monster decals on their cars.

[–]halfarthe dude who does all those fucking navy seal flanders posts 59ポイント60ポイント  (0子コメント)

they love reddit because they can use it to induce themselves into having pathetic hissy fits about anything.

"classic admin PC faggotry [sic]; can we use your logo since we like your organization so much?"

[–][deleted] 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those engravings are just another place for Cheeto dust to accumulate.

[–][deleted] 150ポイント151ポイント  (30子コメント)

You should replace it with the Voat logo instead.

Of course. The ever present "voat is better" shit every time Reddit does something that anyone remotely disagrees with. Yet few ever go there, and even fewer ever stay there.

[–]-SetsunaFSeiei- 136ポイント137ポイント  (14子コメント)

Let em burn their website to the ground. Voat.co grows every time the reddit admins try to sterilize this site WE the posters built to appease their corporate donors.

Why can't they just leave then

[–]occams_nightmare 56ポイント57ポイント  (3子コメント)

WE THE POSTERS

[–]abuttfartingThey’ve started insulting each other’s dogs! 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

We hold these memes to be self-evident

[–]thelaststormcrowJet Fuel Can't Melt Ethics in Games Journalism 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

That ALL cats can has cheez burger.

[–]davidreiss666The Infamous Entity 67ポイント68ポイント  (4子コメント)

The idiots and racists don't leave for voat because even idiots and racists don't really want to hang out with other idiots and racists.

[–]dashaaa 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

africa for africans

voat for voaters

reddit for everyone!

[–]TheLetter10 16ポイント17ポイント  (7子コメント)

Google Voat.

See what comes up..

[–]aco620לטאה יהודייה לוחם צדק חברתי 69ポイント70ポイント  (6子コメント)

Fat people hate, Niggers, and Meanwhile on Reddit.

Welcome to Voat! The most popular parts of our websites are where we talk about how much we hate people as well as the website we supposedly abandoned for this one! "Voat.co: Spend your free time being miserable!"

[–]TheLetter10 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

Before FPH and all of those...groups moved over it was a good place, but when coontown and others moved over there, I decided that Voat was no longer an accepting place of a trans woman like myself.

[–]captbritcorps 11ポイント12ポイント  (9子コメント)

The thing that confuses me the most is why would you want to defile something you presumably paid a lot of money for with the reddit logo?

[–]jamFRIDGE 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Lowers only cost $50 or so. Maybe $100 for a specially engraved one

[–]captbritcorps 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Still seems a lot to pay so that you can say "Hey I use this website!" whilst you shoot.

[–]ZuggyThe Jewminati is good for Buttcoin 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

What I don't get is why keep up the charade? The /r/guns subscribers know the "product confusion" reasoning is bullshit. The admins know the /r/guns subscribers know it's bullshit. Why not just say, "You need to remove it because we don't want Snoo associated with guns." At least have the balls to honest with the community.

[–]SyntheticValkyrurayy lmao - E.T. 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

check out with what the snoo is associated in r/hitler

[–]Cessno 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah the reaction from these guys is insane but this is definitely a political choice on reddit's part.

[–]the92jays 79ポイント80ポイント  (48子コメント)

They aren't, the photo belongs to the photographer and the product itself was authorized and cannot retro-actively be unauthorized.

Yeah... pretty sure it can actually.

[–]southernbenz[S] 22ポイント23ポイント  (46子コメント)

It's been 3.5 years...

[–]doggyfur 54ポイント55ポイント  (25子コメント)

They can keep the logo on the guns, but having it on the sidebar can imply endorsement. The trademark holder has a right to terminate that license, because there's no written contract. If they paid for the right to use it on the sidebar, it'd be a different story.

[–]johnlocke95 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

They can keep the logo on the guns, but having it on the sidebar can imply endorsement.

I would note that many subreddits have snoo on their sidebar.

[–]doggyfur 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

They do, and they too would be obligated to remove it upon Reddit's request.

[–]Omnifox 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a big thing that most everyone in this storm has forgotten.

The image is actually hosted on reddit's CDN because it is in the CSS.

So, it is entirely within their scope to ask this to be removed. However, it doesn't make it any less silly.

[–]the92jays 16ポイント17ポイント  (19子コメント)

IANAL but as I understand it, that doesn't matter unless they agreed to grant the licence for a term longer than 3.5 years. If Reddit had said they grant the licence for 10 years and then tried to revoke it after 3.5 years, they would be wrong.

They also didn't pay anything for the licence, aka, it wasn't supported by consideration. If the grant of a license is not supported by consideration, the license is revocable at will.

[–][deleted] 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

IANAL

Man we really need a new acronym for this one

[–]the92jays 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know, right? I'm going to start using ANAL (Am Not A Lawyer) to avoid confusion in the future.

[–]FellKnight 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

and when you talk to a lawyer you can say "ANALLY" (Am Not A Lawyer Like You)

[–]Aycoth 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

the license is revocable at will

Not to mention, don't license agreements have to have a length of time with the agreement?

[–]the92jays 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

As I understand it, no. If I paid for a licence but there wasn't a length of time stipulated with the agreement, it would fall under 17 U.S.C § 203(a).

Termination of the grant may be effected at any time during a period of five years beginning at the end of thirty-five years from the date of execution of the grant

But because they didn't pay for the licence and no timeline was stipulated, it can be revoked at any time.

[–]mattymck 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit can do dam well what it pleases. Its their website.

[–]Konami_Kode_mo buttah mo problems 29ポイント30ポイント  (23子コメント)

[–][deleted] 22ポイント23ポイント  (8子コメント)

I love when Redditors throw the little childish tantrums where they just spam whatever reddit asked nicely to remove. Like a bunch of children. Plus I'm sure it's still fine for people to post their personal guns with the engraving, admins just didn't want it on the sidebar.

I find it a little scary people who own guns on that sub are acting like such spoiled children.

[–]wasr_woes 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

You're right, a lot of the responses were very emotional in nature but it's certainly understandable why people get upset at things like this. We mind our own business and just want to share pictures and info on our hobby and passions. We do so on a website that used to parade itself as a place where censorship wad not permitted. Then something happens not even related to reddit or r/guns, and we get told suddenly that we can't have an AR with the logo on it. It's silly and inconsequential at the end of the day, but it's the principle that upsets people. We aren't like the people at coon town or any racist subreddit, we're just a group of people who love guns and like showing them off and it comes across as punishment for guns suddenly being a hot issue in us media again. Maybe it's poor timing on the admins part, but other posters here are right. If they don't want their logo used then it needs to be universal, not just because a majority of mods don't like guns or don't want heat because there is a gun culture here. It's unfortunate that we continued to be associated with things we had no part in and deplore, but when the mods come to us and say we need to censor something that has been there without issue for a long time then yes, it's going to ruffle the feathers of people who believe in freedom from censorship among other things. Does it make the responses appropriate? Absolutely not, especially the violent and angry hate mail that came from it. That doesn't change how we feel about the principle of it though.

If anything sticks with you from my comment or this episode please let it be this, that behind every angry poster or gun owner there are thousands of us who don't react that way and can articulate why we believe it is wrong without resorting to violent rhetoric. That logic can be applied to any group of people at almost any time, so I just want to leave you with that thought.

[–]Internetologist 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The anger is completely warranted. Spez came in and was all about freedom of speech and doing almost whatever you want. Admins created a culture in which no one really gives a fuck about IP, and this move is contradictory to the spirit of their usual rhetoric. It's just damage control for shit that could go down off-site.

[–]the92jays 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

The person offering free reddit engravings is a total moron. "Let me advertise trademark infringement on the website owned by the company I'm infringing!"

Reddit could sue the ever-loving shit out of him.

[–]cacarca 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can't sue someone you can't find.

[–]the92jays 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unless this person was dumb enough to tell people where to send it to be engraved through a PM, which Reddit could easily read.

[–]citedOn a mission to civilize 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

In other news, the sun rose in the east today.

[–]SpiveyArms 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

We like to circle jerk a bit

[–]kerbalslayer 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

What are you doing, you have ventured out of our safe space!!!!

[–]SpiveyArms 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

You kidding me? Srd is pretty much where I go other than the gun subs. I'm a big fan of butter

[–]Wilwheatonfan87 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

wait so they want an engraving of snoo on their guns AND as a target to shoot at..?

Excuse me while I stop my brain from hurting.

[–]thenuge26shitposting is actually the highest of all human pleasures 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

They mad

[–]RIPGeorgeHarrison 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have an idea for another flair for classifying types of drama. For censorship drama, there should be a flair that is a black bar with, in white text, the word "Censored", since there seems to be some fairly consistent censorship drama all around here.

Any other ideas about whether this should be done or not?

[–]TNBKCloisters, yams and cocks! 47ポイント48ポイント  (89子コメント)

My, that's interesting. Reddit is well within their rights but people still seem upset about it for some reason. Putting a little censored "snoo" in there for whatever reason. They're just trying to avoid people getting the wrong idea, they've already had people ask them if they sell reddit branded lowers based on that image.

[–]Roflkopt3r 67ポイント68ポイント  (2子コメント)

The outrage looks like one of these typical missunderstandings what "freedom" means. Well, Reddit owns its logos and apparently found it economically opportune to not have that connected with guns, so they used their freedom to keep their property (logo and server content) in line with their interest.

It turns out that "freedom" is not an absolute term after all, as sooner or later two peoples' freedoms will clash. And then some sensible agreement or regulation needs to be found.

Instead the Reddit debates emphasising freedom mostly see only one perspective: their own.

[–]TNBKCloisters, yams and cocks! 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. These feels like "freedom of speech is freedom from criticism" in gun metal

[–]BolshevikMuppet 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But that can be said of reddit itself, which balks at things like SOPA which would require them to (shockingly) comply with demands not to use or profit from other people's intellectual property and the freedoms associated with that.

Hell, they refuse to comply with DMCA takedown requests, and that's basic "respecting other people's intellectual property."

The issue is that a group of people really shouldn't be saying "grr free speech, the internet is an open platform and anyone can do anything and fuck Comcast if they think differently" as well as "respect our intellectual property and economic interests, damn it" at the same time.

[–][deleted] 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Reddit is well within their rights but people still seem upset about it for some reason.

Just because someone has the right to do something doesn't mean that people can't be upset about it.

[–]johnlocke95 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit is well within their rights but people still seem upset about it for some reason.

Reddit(both the community and sometimes even the admins) take an anti-IP law attitude.

Heck, a significant portion of the front page is copyrighted material that was illegally rehosted, yet admins don't do anything about that.

[–]nichtschleppend 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

product itself was authorized and cannot retro-actively be unauthorized

the finest in internet lawyering!

[–]Zotamedu 13ポイント14ポイント  (64子コメント)

TIL enforcing copyright and trademark laws is literally censorship.

[–]johnlocke95 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

They are very selective about that enforcement. Tons of illegally hosted stuff makes it to the front page of /r/all(The UFC fight last night for instance). And several subreddits use Snoo in their logos(/r/trees for instance).

This is something targeted at /r/guns.

[–]southernbenz[S] 12ポイント13ポイント  (59子コメント)

The issue is not trademark, though. The trademark issue was the original rifle, for which /r/guns has explicit permission. The issue is with the photograph (which all photographs are seen as artistic in the eyes of the law, and therefore the property of the photographer). The 800lb gorilla in the room, so to speak, is that /r/guns is on the reddit.com website, and reddit can do/request/demand whatever they want.

What I don't get is why keep up the charade? The /r/guns subscribers know the "product confusion" reasoning is bullshit. The admins know the /r/guns subscribers know it's bullshit. Why not just say, "You need to remove it because we don't want Snoo associated with guns." At least have the balls to honest with the community.

/u/zuggy

Nailed it.

[–]BolshevikMuppet 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You must not have been here for SOPA:

"OMG, a website might be liable for linking to copyright-infringing content? That's an assault on free speech, shut it all down!"

[–]SuitableDragonfly 8ポイント9ポイント  (8子コメント)

There's a lot of post-tragedy handwringing and arm flailing going on right now and I don't want people poking the bear.

Truly, the soul of sensitivity

[–]MudvayneMW 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are submissions from /r/guns allowed now? Or did you have to get mod approval?

[–]Intortoiseliterally srs 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

haha everything is censorship!

[–]Wallace_GroverSRD Hotwife L4Bull 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

Looks like the Reddit admins were... triggered.

[–]DoshmanV2 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Way too obvious, sorry.

[–]Wallace_GroverSRD Hotwife L4Bull 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It had to be done in this thread. I felt it.

[–]SpaceCopLovesHotDogsB===👊D💦 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

[–]mwmwmwmwmmdwunique flair snowflake 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]Konami_Kode_mo buttah mo problems 4ポイント5ポイント  (15子コメント)

Some of the people on this site are so anti-gun that they probably consider this sub as objectionable as the ones that got banned or quarantined.

It's not so much that there's an anti-gun lean - though there is some of that for sure - more that the typical /r/guns subscriber is a fucking asshole.

[–]Tashre 11ポイント12ポイント  (14子コメント)

They're cut from the same cloth as r/trees subscribers; taking personal criticisms as an attack on their "lifestyles".

[–]johnlocke95 8ポイント9ポイント  (13子コメント)

I would note /r/trees is also using Snoo in its logo. And marijuana is actually illegal.

[–]CI5 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (50子コメント)

And the people in that thread own guns. Think about it for a minute.

[–]Chowley_1 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Til people who own guns aren't ever allowed to be mildly upset by something.

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (46子コメント)

Seriously I'd be worried about trusting most of them with a slightly pointy spoon, them having guns is terrifying.

[–]adk09 15ポイント16ポイント  (22子コメント)

And yet that community regularly bans anyone who admits to the commission of felonies, and are probably the most law abiding folks you'll find...

What makes you think that they can't hold a passionate discussion without resorting to violence? Can't you? What makes them less capable than you?

[–]kerbalslayer 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's because you've never been there, its fun to strawman the hell out of other groups that have a differing opinion from you but that sub stresses safety to the max, mocks the living shit out of conspiracy/SHTF types and focuses heavily on the safety and technical aspects of firearms ownership, seriously, after this shitstorm blows over take a look from time to time in the new section and see just how quickly stupid shit gets shot down, these are not fox news/bubba type gun owners.

[–]binaryecho 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Um...have you read the linked thread? It directly contradicts the behavior you just described.

[–]Tashre 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's reassuring to know that enthusiastic owners of firearms are able to take minor slights in stride so well.

[–]Valdo09 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you think it makes them less responsible gun owners?

[–]ArchangelleFoodcake 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's like a child, they only want something because they're told they can't have it.

[–]tacos_pizza_beer 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why does subredditdrama seem like a 2nd version of SRS most of the time?