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[–]Everek 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit dude.

[–]david-me[S] 77ポイント78ポイント  (10子コメント)

I just got this.

http://i.imgur.com/pe7xNoW.png

Death threats are not drama anymore, I guess.

[–]niknarcotic[🍰] 48ポイント49ポイント  (3子コメント)

Death threats are par of the course in civil discussions.

[–]XarvasYakub made me do it 36ポイント37ポイント  (1子コメント)

But for gun nuts they are. Seriously if the only way you can discuss is by scrawling death threats, you are too dumb to operate a hammer, let alone a firearm.

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Perhaps some gun nuts, but not all.

[–]BrowsOfSteelsocial justice spearman 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Death threats aren’t normal.

But on guns they are.

Guns: not even once.

[–]Iconochasm 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it had sparked an argument, sure. Since it sparked a circlejerk, meh.

[–]notdrama 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lemme just weigh in here, as an expert on this subject.

Yeah, this is drama.

[–]shodanx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

how is he going to carry out the death threat if he doesn't know the real identity of the person he is threatening

[–]david-me[S] 46ポイント47ポイント  (25子コメント)

But officer, it was a clever and funny death threat. . . /s

[–]PhysicsIsMyMistress 52ポイント53ポイント  (17子コメント)

Some of these gun nuts take gun politics way too seriously in the scariest of ways.

[–]KarmaAndLies 73ポイント74ポイント  (16子コメント)

As a group they're by far the worst people I've ever debated with on Reddit. Apart from the "nail jelly to the wall" and argument from authority/straw man you see typically they often will downvote anything no matter how well said into the ground if it is questioning the pro-gun agenda and you will receive "interesting PMs." Like this gem:

You homo liberals are spouting off at the mouth and jizzing your pants with the word assault rifle and then when facts are rammed down your throat, you call them irrelevant because in the real world they kill less people per year than lightning does.
It's actually pretty funny to listen to you ignorant pussies cry about it too.
Fuck off, faggot.

That is EXACTLY the kind of person I want owning guns... Let me assure you...

[–][deleted] 36ポイント37ポイント  (8子コメント)

in the real world they kill less people per year than lightning does.

That's even more silly than the car argument. But I had to laugh reading it so I hope it spreads.

[–]C0mmun1ty 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

We should ban lightning.

[–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

And floods

[–]AR-47 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yep. Let's just ignore the car argument because they are two totally different things. Fact: People killed by guns are more dead than people killed by cars.

[–][deleted] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, we should ignore it because it is stupid and false, not because they both kill people.

[–]zoidberg1339 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

So silly it's true?

[–]BackOff_ImAScientist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Worst? I think the white's rights brigade that shows up anytime Muslims are mentioned on /r/worldnews are much worse.

[–]AR-47 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

What a great representation of /r/guns. That totally represents the userbase.

[–]zoidberg1339 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, I always call liberals faggots, despite being a liberal myself.

Excuse me, despite being a faggot myself.

[–]AR-47 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

For the record, I was being sarcastic.

[–]zoidberg1339 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, I know. Picked up on that right away.

[–]potverdoriecogito ergo meme 92ポイント93ポイント  (53子コメント)

The user base of /r/Guns is the best arguement for gun control I've ever seen in my life.

[–]CherrySlurpee 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

I've found that almost every subreddit is the best argument against their stated "goal."

[–]potverdoriecogito ergo meme 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

I wouldn't say so. The SRS community, whose goal is to get rid of hate speech, is a pretty good arguement against hate speech: more specifically, their hate speech.

[–]ArchangelleBRDkilla 2ポイント3ポイント  (31子コメント)

This user is an anomaly. The majority of /r/Guns are sensible and knowledgeable of gun safety and proper handling technique, a lot of users have experience in firearm safety training. Just like in most cases, people seem to use the term 'Reddit' in an individual term, like you can attribute group behaviour to an individual source. Mass generalisations don't ever make for better arguments.

[–]potverdoriecogito ergo meme 35ポイント36ポイント  (13子コメント)

I'm very much aware that most gun users and even /r/Guns users are very sensible gun owners.

This does not, however, take away the fact that there is a rather large group of people in /r/Guns with an extremely poisonous attitude that viciously attack anyone with views different from their own. And these people, like it or not, are part of the /r/Guns community just as much as its more sensible users. And I would say that the fact that such immature and aggressive people are allowed to own something as potentially dangerous as a gun is a pretty good arguement for gun control laws.

Until I see the sensible /r/Guns moderators or community at large condemn this kind of behaviour from their members, I am going to stand by my comment, even as it was made partly in jest.

edit: I added me some words.

[–]Omnifox 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

I have never even seen whatever original post this came from. No user name, just a picture that is floating around that sub.

I am a mod of /r/guns, and very much so would have banned someone who made a death threat on anyone.

However, it is much easier to rage about things, than it is to think things out.

PS, if there actually is a link out there with the actual user name who made this, let me know so I can deal with the issue. So far, this has just been drama fuel.

[–]potverdoriecogito ergo meme 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Of course, this post is an extremity of its sort. One that has happened before, if you read other replies in this thread. I'm pretty active on SRD, and death threats are one thing that don't pop up all that often on reddit, but are apparently not uncommon towards gun control proponets. Which is bad enough as it is.

However, you're only addressing this particular extremity, but not the vocal minority of your community from which this behavior comes forth. What do you think about the coordinated downvote brigading of critical subreddits and posts and the vicious flame wars arising wherever people are discussing gun control laws?

This isn't the first time /r/Guns has been on SRD, and it damn well won't be the last. Yes, there are a few subreddits with similar kinds of drama, but not too many at that. And it just wouldn't be so alarming if your subreddit wasn't about owning fire arms.

[–]Omnifox 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I am just saying, work with me so I can weed these people out of my community.

I have a zero tolerance for shit like this. Hopefully Gabour will deal with this via the admins. This makes Reddit as a whole look bad, I really do not think anyone would support this sort of behavior.

I would like to see these people expunged as much as the next person. Just a bit more information would be fantastic.

[–]potverdoriecogito ergo meme 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thank you for the great attitude. It's because of people like you that I remain neutral in the whole gun ownership debate, because I know that the majority of you are responsible and sensible gun owners.

I don't get involved with the whole gun rights/control debate on reddit, so I can't help you out much I'm afraid. I'm a casual observer that simply made a snarky remark about the behaviour of your less prudent members.

Good luck.

[–]Tarachia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not a mod of /r/guns, just a gun owner and lover, and I have to say this makes the community-one that I love, and will continue to be a part of for the rest of my life-look bad.

Thanks for knowing the majority of us are not death-threat sending racist redneck conservative tea baggers who hate Muslims and Mexicans.

[–]ArchangelleBRDkilla 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

Just like any social group anywhere, there are radicals. People who post threats should be vilified regardless of whether they are on a reddit I often use or not, and I agree that there should be better moderation, not just on Guns, but everywhere (this is the price of an open community). But as my original point stands, they are the minority (not that this means less action against them is warranted) and the overwhelming majority of Guns users attitudes and life styles are completely and utterly objected to whoever the guy is who did this.

[–]smashey 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, the point is not that there are some dicks, it's that the hobby involves the ownership of lethality, and so their dicks pose a greater threat.

[–]MittRomneysCampaign 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

the hobby involves the ownership of lethality

I really like that phrasing -- it succinctly conveys the responsibility that a gun owner must have. also according to Google "ownership of lethality" hasn't been said before, so you're a trailblazer

[–]AR-47 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

We do condemn that behavior. Find me the original "death threat" post. I guarantee it got destroyed by downvotes. Your trying to represent an entire community with a handful of users.

[–]potverdoriecogito ergo meme 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

This post is the symptom of a deeper problem. Coordinated downvoting and flame wars are rather common wherever gun control laws are discussed. It's not just about this death threat, it's about a very vocal minority from your subreddit with an extremely awful attitude.

All this wouldn't be that big a deal if your subreddit wasn't about owning fire arms.

[–]GabourPostedYou 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are they saying a circle with two lines through it over someone's name equates to a full on actual and real life death threat, or was there some other form of "death threat" that was sent to Gabour?

[–]AR-47 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If there weren't guns in the picture, I would question if Gabour posted it himself for attention.

[–]rampantdissonanceCabals of steel 12ポイント13ポイント  (7子コメント)

The majority of /r/Guns are sensible and knowledgeable

Absolutely. When this Gabour gets a death threat, I'm sure it's very comforting to him that most /r/guns subscribers are sensible. Never mind his life got threatened, there are plenty of reasonable gun owners to make sure gun owners don't get a bad name. That's what's really important here.

[–]ArchangelleBRDkilla 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

It was a reply to a generalising post about a large community based on the actions of a few. No where did I state that the threat wasn't what's important. You pulled out that straw man and wasted time trying to refute it.

[–]billyup"the popcorn tastes good." -ekjp -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, it was a a sockpuppet reply made to minimize the damage done by a criminal.

Never mind his life got threatened

Looks like you are probably the criminal.

[–]zoidberg1339 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well that's not a wild assumption at all.

[–]Omnifox -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Where is this "threat" coming from? It is just an image, without context.

No names, no post, no nothing. We could deal with this, if we had ANY other information. However we do not.

[–]turdburglersc -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

but thats the exact point of the pro gun control community. even with communities that are majoritarily pro safety and education, there exists a small number of people who just dont think/give a fuck. and when it comes to a 'minor' liberty like owning a gun they dont think the risk is worth the reward.

the gun control people think that the risk, any risk of a moron getting a gun isnt worth it, and even though 90+% of americans are pro background checks and large majorities are pro education blah blah blah, real life reflects the same problem as reddit. even with millions of safe users, the few assholes KILL thousands.

on a more personal note, i honestly dont think the people who are pro gun quite understand what death means, how their desire for a minor freedom is literally killing people, ending lives. its no wonder pro gun and highly religious demographics go hand in hand, its ok that guns kill innocent people, death isnt the end it just sends you to heaven faster.

[–]e36 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

its no wonder pro gun and highly religious demographics go hand in hand

I, a "pro-gun" atheist, would like to know if you meant to generalize that hard against 100 million people? Religious people may be pro-gun but it doesn't necessarily go the other way.

[–]dsi1 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

its because, obviously, anyone who believes in civil rights is a republican or something

They have no idea who they're arguing against, it isn't the 90s anymore, liberal and pro-gun (read: pro-second amendment) goes hand in hand on Reddit.

[–]turdburglersc 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

i do, and as a generalization im also aware of the exceptions, thats why its a generalization not a rule. from my laymens perspective it seems like in general, the more religious a group is, the more they tend to be pro-gun. in general they support the second amendment at least partly 'because it says so', the same line of reasoning they use to follow the bible. they see progressivism as a problem, if something so sacred as an amendment to the constitution is under attack, what archaic tradition will be next? and the reason i stated above about them not quite grasping whats at risk in this debate. this isnt about peoples right to eat shitty food if they want, or travel where they want. this is something that directly affects millions of others in an often irreversible way.

so while there are probably a lot of pro gun athiests and anti gun christians, it feels like the majority of the people fit that singular demographic.

again, this is purely my opinion, and thats why i seperated it from what i said outlining the positions of the anti gun group as a whole.

[–]e36 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fair enough- you're entitled to your opinions. That being said, I don't think that you're doing anyone, most of all yourself, any good by letting your judgement be clouded by unsubstantiated feelings.

[–]turdburglersc 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

i would be anti gun even if they didnt come across as a bunch of crazy rednecks on TV or whatever. i guess i just dont love freedom enough.

[–]MittRomneysCampaign -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

the more religious a group is, the more they tend to be pro-gun.

this is just because the common factor among those two things is tradition; religion doesn't cause gun ownership or the other way around. but then, tradition isn't necessarily bad; standardized tests like the AP tests are "traditional", but they're also extremely useful, because they can be used to substitute general education courses in college and because they give colleges an idea of how students fare against college-level coursework, especially when they don't know how easy or hard the courses are at a particular high school.

also, obligatory: being "opposed to progressivism" doesn't mean being "opposed to progress" and "progressivism" isn't synonymous with "progress."

[–]RationalBogart -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

minor freedom

Maybe you should explain what that is cause it hurts my head that the progun crowd will fight to the death for the right to keep any and all guns but completely ignore things like how a lot of them live in constitution free zones:

http://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights-constitution-free-zone-map

Nope, none of my progun friends (ex. my brother...argh) even know they live in one of these zones. But they could tell you which counties they can buy raw milk!

When i told a libertarian friend that the NSA collects all of our phone and email/internet data and illegally sifts through it all, he laughed at me:

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/supreme-court-dismisses-aclus-challenge-nsa-warrantless-wiretapping-law

https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying

[–]1rankman 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]Gabour -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

That was a backhanded compliment, for folks who don't get that sort of thing.

[–]1rankman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I understand but im just here to share others drama

[–]datpornoalt4 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

Guys, can we all chill out and watch cat videos instead ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IytNBm8WA1c

[–]Gabour 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

Sloths too. There is, in fact, a sloth wearing a party hat at 1:10.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JTAtsHh-yc

Edit: If you like this, more can be found at /r/slothporn.

[–]eongeTHE BUTTER MUST FLOW. 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

[–]joetromboni 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

no, go to /r/slothporn much better sub

[–]yum42 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

thank you so much I was getting annoyed by r/sloths being 90% faceswaps.

[–]missmurrr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

welcome! no face swaps, just 100% sloths.

[–]missmurrr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

thanks bro. :)

[–]abuttfartingThey’ve started insulting each other’s dogs! 18ポイント19ポイント  (14子コメント)

Gun nuts are so easily angered, I love it.

[–]Danielfair 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't love it...they own guns

[–][deleted] 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow.

"People who don't like guns because they think some gun owners are irresponsible, deserve to die" Yeah. That's reasonable!

[–]Johnny_Is_Truant 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Know what's more boring than a week in auschwitz? Listeining to americans prattle on about their fucking guns yet a-fucking-gain.

[–]LOOKITSADAM 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wonder who sent it.

[–]dsi1 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So, who sent this?

I mean, grc, created originally to make gun owners seem crazy, wouldn't possibly forge anything, would they?

[–]AR-47 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really wouldn't call that a death threat. Immature insult, yes; death threat, no.

[–]AR-47 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This whole thread is pathetic.