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[–]liverpoolrob 43ポイント44ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yeah this is definitely the worst thing old mister disappearo has done

[–]ArtlessDevBoy 25ポイント26ポイント  (6子コメント)

Having numerous people like Jean McConville executed and burred in a shallow graves or organizing terrorist bombings against civilian targets was just playful banter compared to this outrage.

I mean using the N-word on twitter when will someone stop this animal.

[–]One_Wheel_DriveLondon 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just googled Jean McConville and I can't believe I've never heard of this before.

[–]lijkelBelfast -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Having numerous people like Jean McConville executed and burred in a shallow graves or organizing terrorist bombings

Source? Evidence?

The PSNI, the RUC, the Garda, British Police, MI5, MI6, unionists, loyalists, the Irish government, the British government, the Irish Army and the British Army, all failed to find evidence and convict/sentence him but you somehow have the hidden clue?

[–]ArtlessDevBoy 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Former Belfast IRA commander Brendan Hughes named him as the one who ordered the execution. One of the killers Dolours Price also said she was operating under Adams orders. Several other IRA members also said the same thing in tapes which were released after there deaths, But that doesn't matter to prosecute him would risk the peace process so he's in the clear.

But to be fair who cares we should focus on the far more serious matter of using politically incorrect profanity on the internet, that's the real crime here.

[–]Terrythecoat 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

I wish we could stop the media saying "the N word"

[–]AWookieeFromKashyyyk[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why do you care?

[–]BIGBLACKMAN 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I care because it's fucking juvenile and silly to say "N-word" and not nigger in a serious news report. Banning words from even being uttered is moronic.

Context matters. Black people are not children and need protecting from you, or if you're doing it to save your own blushes, then tough titties. Have the conversation.

[–]AWookieeFromKashyyyk[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or choose not to say the word. Big deal.

[–]Blutos_Beard 15ポイント16ポイント  (8子コメント)

This was clearly a political statement and not a racist attack. If anything, he's calling himself a 'nigger', and not as a way of smearing black people but as a way of comparing the way blacks and Irish have been considered historically. The comparison isn't about what happened to each group, but of the denigrative attitude the prevailing powers had of them. It might not have been the most graceful of tweets, but in general I'd defend his right to say it.

On a side note, I wish people would be as concerned about the racism the word represents as they are about the word itself. Going nuts over any use of the word has become a kind of replacement for actual anti-discrimination progress. You see this disconnect in America in particular, where powerful people can lose their jobs for using the word 'nigger', but at the same time you can have black communities being terrorized by the police, discriminated against by law, in housing and in education, and have blatantly racist policies such as the repeal of the voting rights act passed. But if everyone makes a big noise about saying nigger, you can make it look like you're a progressive country.

[–]AWookieeFromKashyyyk[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Noone thinks it's racist (beyond comparing us to the Americans and pretending our situation was comparable to theirs), it's just really fucking stupid.

[–]HaybroNorn Iron 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Except the DUP. They're latching onto this shit because an elections coming up and sinn fein are their closest rivals.

[–]AWookieeFromKashyyyk[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Cannot blame them in the slightest, this was a really fucking stupid thing to do.

[–]HaybroNorn Iron [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I can - Regardless of the issue, They're just shit slinging.

[–]violentCurtains -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

If anything, he's calling himself a 'nigger', and not as a way of smearing black people but as a way of comparing the way blacks and Irish have been considered historically.

It's probably not a good idea to misappropriate the suffering of another group of people.

[–]lijkelBelfast 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

He wasn't saying it was the same or that Irish and black people suffer(ed) the same level of oppression he's just pointing out that they've both suffered and they should be in solidarity with each other.

[–]valleyshrew -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Having suffered oppression isn't a good reason to be in solidarity. ISIS are one of the most oppressed groups in the world, should he have solidarity with them too?

[–]mongo_lloyd 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Defends n-word. Not the best sentence a person can have attributed to them.

[–]AWookieeFromKashyyyk[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

UPDATE: Sinn Féin president deletes n-word tweet and denies racism claims

Adams later deleted the tweet but one of the few black Irish republicans from the Sinn Féin leader's West Belfast base also criticised Adams for comparing nationalists in Northern Ireland to the plight of black American slaves.

"For years now Sinn Féin have embarrassingly tried to portray Gerry Adams as some kind of international icon. It was only in March that Gerry Adams was comparing himself to Rosa Parks".

[–]Steviebee123 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Is it just me or is there not something hugely undignified about a politician - or even just an adult, for that matter - tweeting about what film they're watching?

[–]AWookieeFromKashyyyk[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nah but anyway this is a man that tweets pictures of his rubber ducks at bath time and talks about him trampolining naked with his dogs.

[–]AWookieeFromKashyyyk[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (32子コメント)

There's an election in a few days. Fuck me what a moron. Although i'd be very surprised if there was any kind of investigation or changes made because of this.

[–]DogBotherer 1ポイント2ポイント  (31子コメント)

Again, it isn't the kind of thing a politicians should be doing, but it's an idea which has circulated on this side of the Atlantic for decades if not longer. Stiff Little Fingers got media shit for it in the '80s despite being active anti-racists (probably NSFW lyrics given these sensitivities and assuming anyone is at work).

[–]whydoyouonlylie 7ポイント8ポイント  (15子コメント)

I don't think this is in any way comparable to what Adams was saying though ...

This is clearly comparing racism in general (blacks, Pakistani, Irish) whereas Adams was attempting to equate black slavery in the US, depicted in Django unchained, with the treatment of Irish Nationalists in Ireland.

[–]JackXDark 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

Elvis Costello gets away with it and Oliver's Army is regularly played on the radio uncensored so it's definitely not without precedent, especially when someone's using it ironically to talk about themselves.

Gerry Adams can fuck off for lots of reasons I'm sure don't need saying, but using that word to refer to people someone feels superior to and wants to dehumanise has a history outside of it just referring to black people ie 'Sand-N-gger' for Arabs or 'Timber-N-gger' for Native Americans, or 'Spud N-gger' for Irish in general, so I don't think anyone should really get upset about him using it when he's clearly referring to himself rather than anyone else and using it pejoratively.

[–]whydoyouonlylie 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not so much the use of the term that I take issue with. I mean just the other day at the White House Correspondent's dinner on live television Larry Wilmore called President Obama "My Nigga" and nobody batted an eyelid.

I more take issue with his use of the term with the reference to Django Unchained to compare the treatment of Irish Nationalists in the Ballymurphy area with the treatment of the blacks in the period shown in the movie. I mean that movie talks about "house niggers" and "field niggers" and essentially equates the word "nigger" to meaning a black person who is the property of the white owner.

[–]JackXDark 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not directly equivalent, sure, and getting into discussions about The Troubles is a complicated minefield, and fuck defending Gerry Adams (or loyalists too, for that matter) but the word does have a history of being used alongside a whole load of other not especially pleasant, but perhaps more directly Irish ones. As I've mentioned already, I refer you to Elvis Costello's Oliver's Army for another ironic example.

[–]borg88Buckinghamshire 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Costello's song Radio Radio was also played regularly on the radio. Too many words in most of his songs for the BBC to follow.

And the radio is in the hands of such a lot of fools tryin' to anaesthetise the way that you feel

[–]brycey06 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's not an unfair comparison, poorly worded as it was

[–]whydoyouonlylie 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's an incredibly unfair comparison when comparing Irish nationalists to the "niggers" in Django Unchained. Irish Nationalists in Ballymurphy were not in even remotely similar circumstances to the slaves depicted in Django.

[–]brycey06 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

why is it unfair? two groups treated as second class citizens in their respective places + eras

[–]whydoyouonlylie 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know if you're actually being serious or not ...

The fact that you think that the black slaves were treated like 'citizens' at all is disturbing in the extreme. They were property. They were bought, sold and abused at the will of the white owners.

Irish Nationalists were treated as second class citizens, but they were still treated as citizens. Never as property.

Any attempt to equate the two is either seriously ignorant or utterly disgusting.

[–]crackshot87 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Slaves weren't even 2nd clas citizens, they were rounded up and treated like cattle

[–]AWookieeFromKashyyyk[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (14子コメント)

it's an idea which has circulated on this side of the Atlantic for decades if not longer

It's still complete bullshit. Just because it's an old idea doesn't change that it's complete bullshit.

[–]DogBotherer 3ポイント4ポイント  (12子コメント)

It comes from signs like "No blacks or Irish".

[–]AWookieeFromKashyyyk[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

Still doesn't even come close to being the same. We were never kidnapped and shipped off to America as slaves.

[–]DogBotherer 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

No. I agree. As indentured servants though.

[–]AWookieeFromKashyyyk[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Oh you've seen that conspiracy website! Good for you! Still not even remotely close to the same.

[–]DogBotherer 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I've no idea what site you're referring to. But I agree it's not the same, and I never suggested it was.

[–]AWookieeFromKashyyyk[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

That is exactly what you've been doing and was the entire point of Gerry's tweet.

[–]DogBotherer 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't know about his tweet, but I have never equated the Irish experience with that of black American slavery. In this thread, all have have attempted to demonstrate to you is that Irish people have sometimes been considered "honorary blacks" because of their experience of anti-Irish prejudice in the UK.

[–]Shadow_on_the_HeathHampshire -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

..and dogs is meant to be on there somewhere.

That particular message has been said to have been on every B And B and pub in the country decades ago. Is there any photographic evidence for this?

[–]DogBotherer 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]Shadow_on_the_HeathHampshire -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I'm pretty sure I read that source you gave, ages ago when I went on the hunt for evidence (as it's referred to often by Guardian comments BTL!)

Just contrast it with other bigoted symbols from the same time of the 1950s and 1960s we have a huge amount of photographic documentation of segregation in the deep South, USA water fountains, threatres, waitings rooms labelled for either "white" or "coloured". Yet this "no Blacks, no Irish, no Dogs" has nothing photographically to back it up.

It's not beyond the realm of possibility for such signs to exist as open bigotry was far more acceptable in those decades then it is today. Yet, if there is no proper evidence then we're relying on shaky "oral history" which makes me doubt its existence.

[–]Dardanator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think I can consider that article a write-off, since they refuse to repeat the word he used (outside of the quote) and it has someone calling something "toxic".