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[–]SchipAlong 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

You should have tried talking to your neighbour first. Technically, as you said roosters are not specifically banned, they weren't actually breaking any rules by having him. If they haven't had any complaints they may not have known their rooster was bothering anyone. Some people may have actually told them they enjoy the crowing (my neighbour has told me that). Had you talked to them they could have tried something like a no-crow collar instead of being forced to get rid of their pet.

[–]thomas533 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

and like the good neighbors you are...

If they are such good neighbors, why didn't you go and talk to them? There are options to deal with noisy roosters that don't involve getting rid of them. If you had just talked to them I would imagine they would have been happy to figure out something. A big problem with our communities is that people would rather take the passive aggressive approach to dealing with neighbors rather than just acting like regular human beings and talking with each other. And to put the cherry on top of your passive aggressive behavior, you post your apology anonymously on reddit.

If only your neighbors had as good of a neighbor as you seem to have.

[–]Zaphoid_Beeblebrox 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

I live on 80 acres and my neighbors cows often get thru the fence to get to my 'greener grass'. They have broken things and ruined my yard but even I have the class to tell them when I have had enough. One last warning before I start calling the sheriff and animal control. Every time they mend the fences and stay good neighbors. And more importantly I feel good about not going overboard on every offense. Your point is well taken but you should be a better PERSON than your actions point out.

[–]abbotleather[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Hey man, all power to you. My parent's farmstead, which I will move back to in time, is down to 12, from 100.

I cared more about my neighbors then than I do now. It's a different environment. My family will live next to those families for years, decades, generations.

In two years this place won't have a trace of me in it. If that. If I was concerned with being a decent human being to everyone, I would agree with you. But I am not, and I don't.

[–]Zaphoid_Beeblebrox 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

why are you not concerned about being a decent human being? Did something happen to you?

[–]abbotleather[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

That's a rather deep question that I wasn't expecting.

I am not concerned about being a decent human being because I do not buy into the whole thing.

Morality evolves and changes. I don't accept it as something permanent to stand on.

As I have said earlier in this thread, I can live with being considered an unpleasant person. The people who are near and dear to me get all the best I can give, and that is enough for me to feel satisfied.

[–]turbulent_energy 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

so you just adjust yourself to others? who really are you?

[–]abbotleather[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who is who? There is nothing there to present.

[–]Zaphoid_Beeblebrox 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I hear you. I hope life gets better for you.

[–]abbotleather[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Life is not good or bad, it just is. It won't get better or worse. And if I am lucky, I will remember that I am not worried about that.

[–]Zaphoid_Beeblebrox 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You have an interesting outlook. To bad we can't have some beer and discuss. Sometimes life gets better for me. And sometimes worse. What is this philosophy of yours? it interest me. very Buddha like

[–]abbotleather[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just saw your username. I love those books.

Send me a PM and I'll be happy to discuss things. Beer selection, for example.

[–]Kittenyberk 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

We have close to 100 fowl trotting around the place, including geese.

Our land backs on to 10 houses, and the noise can carry to another 10 or so over an unused field.

One of our closer neighbours asked if we could put the geese in at night to help keep them quiet. We do. Sorted.

Now, if they were unreasonable and decided to call the local council to complain they would have ended up with the geese being fenced in nice and close to their house and I'd check on them every few hours, just to make sure they were being quiet (they do enjoy a good honk when they see me)

Additionally I could do with my pigs being closer to the house, so I might move those up to keep the geese company.

All of this is legal and acceptable. I have agricultural land and the right to use it as such, but unlike you. I'm not a massive knob, so I try to get on with my neighbours.

[–]abbotleather[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

And if it was legal I would have no problem with it. I used to live in a farmhouse, my neighbors then had sheep, goats, pigs, all right next to us. And I did not have an issue with it.

I live in a city now. Roosters violate the noise policy.

[–]Kittenyberk 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yup, and not waiting a bit and talking to your neighbour makes you an unpleasant individual.

[–]abbotleather[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I can live with that. It is legal to be unpleasant, and I keep to myself for the most part.

[–]Kittenyberk 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

I am going to leave you to it, but I hope your neighbour shits on your doorstep.

[–]abbotleather[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have cameras, I don't think that would end well for them.

[–]HeraldOf 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I hope it happens anyway.

[–]abbotleather[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a fair thing to hope for, that people you don't like have unpleasant things happen to them.

You seem fairly well tempered about it at least, which is good. It would be unpleasant to talk to you if all you did was run around like a chicken with its head cut off.

[–]MormonDew 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

You should let us all know what city you live in so we don't accidentally move next to a passive-aggressive jerk like you.

[–]abbotleather[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (10子コメント)

Ridiculous notion, I'll refrain. And, honestly, I bear no ill will to them, and I doubt we will have any sort of unfriendly interaction in the future, if any interaction at all. You're acting like it's a very big deal and it really isn't.

[–]MormonDew 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

To you it isn't but I'll guarantee it is to your neighbor. You betrayed them and if you were a good neighbor you would have talked with them.

[–]abbotleather[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

I betrayed them? They were breaking the law.

[–]MormonDew 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Aaaaand there it is... you are truly righting the great wrongs by tattling on your chicken law breaking neighbor. Purple heart for you.

[–]abbotleather[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

My message with this post was to remind people to be mindful of the laws so that they are in compliance.

Are you in compliance? Or are you foolish enough to trust your neighbor's with the power to strip you of your property?

[–]MormonDew 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wow, now it's your place to lecture all of us. Thank you, the passive aggressive justice really reminded us all. Whew, you are a great educator. And you are taking on the great criminal issues of our times. Thank you.

[–]abbotleather[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sounds like you might not be in compliance. How does it feel blindly putting your property in the hands of other people?

[–]MormonDew 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am in compliance with all chicken laws where I live. Are you relieved to know that. I do have a few neighbors down the other Street that I have heard roosters crowing. Should I turn hem in or let you do it?

[–]abbotleather[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

They aren't bothering me from here. If you don't like them you could talk to your neighbors about it. Or you could have the city do that for you. It's up to you.

I am actually happy to hear that you did your research to keep your property safe. It shows that you are considerate of your neighbors, and will not just subject them to the wailing of a bird without a second thought.

I would wager you keep your dog out of your neighbors trash cans, too.

[–]MormonDew 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can somebody get this person some sort of civic award for reporting chicken law breakers and lecturing /r/backyardchicken users? Seriously, a truly great example. I wish everybody would call the cops or authorities on their close neighbors instead of having a human conversation with them. Imagine how awesome our world would be if everybody was like /u/abbotleather ?

[–]abbotleather[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll have you know after this conversation I'm very seriously considering going to law school and specializing in chicken law.

[–]BernillaryClanders 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

Cowards like you are the reason neighbors like me have to build 8 foot privacy fences.

We get it, you have a right to enjoy your home, but at the end of the day the "neighborly" thing would have been to communicate with your neighbor before hiding behind the city.

On top of this you have the arrogance to jump on this subreddit and justify yourself (my guess is part of you actually feels guilty for your actions and you want some encouragement that you did the right thing).

Well you didn't. You just made a situation worse.

[–]abbotleather[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

I don't feel guilty. I am not justifying my actions.

I came here to remind people with an interest in owning livestock in city limits that there are rules and that if they are not followed then their property is at risk.

I've been enjoying my mornings a lot more this week.

[–]BernillaryClanders 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Doesn't change the fact that you're a coward and a bad neighbor -- but my guess is you've accepted that fact a long time ago.

God forbid you do something slightly outside the bounds of the law and are reported for it.

Ever gone over the speed limit? Any chance you walked past an open window in a pair of underwear (indecent exposure). Your grass ever get 1/4 inch past the allowable height for your city?

And for what it's worth, if I were your neighbor, I'd have video surveillance on my property angled towards your property in hopes that you break a rule. Is that the kind of neighborhood you want to live in? Tough, that's the neighborhood people like you create.

[–]abbotleather[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

I really am not concerned with how I am seen. You may call me a coward, that doesn't make me one.

You can talk on and on about privacy fences and video surveillance and what you would do, and this does not matter either.

Your message here is empty. It does not change me and it does not change what happened. You are wasting your time and getting your feathers ruffled.

[–]BernillaryClanders 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Clearly you're not concerned with how you are seen (by me, your neighbor, or anyone for that matter).

You are correct in that me calling you a coward doesn't make you one, however you're actions do.

Also, my intent here is not to change you or what happened -- I'm publicly denouncing your behavior. You came here to make assertion, I'm doing the same. My time is no more wasted than yours for posting your passive aggressive "apology".

What I really enjoy most is that you've convinced yourself that you're more intelligent, wiser, and justified than you really are.

Oh, my feathers are far from ruffled son. I get that you'd find enjoyment in that, after all, wasn't that the intent of your post (trolling in it's purest form)?

Don't like what I say? Fine, ignore me, or better yet, hit the "report" button -- that's more your style isn't it?

[–]MormonDew 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't waste your time with pretentious assholes like abbotleather. Not worth it. He/She is an unhappy lonely person that hates themeselves.

[–]BernillaryClanders 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

People like this deserve to be called out every time they open their insufferable mouths.

Deep down inside I know it's a lost cause, but I guess it's the parent in me that wants to knock some sense in his head.

His actions are detrimental to his community as a whole. Nothing good will become of it, and soon he'll be on another thread crying how his neighbors don't like him and he's not sure why.

[–]abbotleather[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have no strong feelings one way or the other.

[–]BernillaryClanders 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ironically, you could use chickens in your backyard. Maybe, just maybe, you'd feel something other than misery, self loathing and loneliness.

As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure your initial post was a cry for help. It all makes sense now!

[–]jrwreno 4ポイント5ポイント  (16子コメント)

    To the people of this sub, please pay attention. There are rules, and you have to follow them.

But you just got done saying that roosters were not explicitly forbidden?

It sounds like to me that your neighbor was following the rules except for the noise clause (which usually....causes a warning first, and not a demand for immediate removal).

I personally use a chicken coop door that runs on a timer, fueled by a solar panel and battery. The timer does not open the door until 9:18am, every day.

When my roosters were crowing every day when my daughter was playing nearby, I fitted them with rooster no-crow collars. I heard less noise from my roosters than the 2 roosters I hear 2 blocks away!

Since then, I gave given 2 no-crow collars away to well-meaning friends that had roosters. They only cost me from $15-$17 each. A tiny investment to maintain happy neighbors, even beyond me.

hint hint

[–]abbotleather[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hopefully they come to that solution then. It's out of my hands.

[–]justinsayin -2ポイント-1ポイント  (14子コメント)

But you just got done saying that roosters were not explicitly forbidden?

You know what else isn't expressly forbidden in his neighborhood? I'll take some guesses:

  1. 20 inch speakers
  2. Motorcycles without mufflers
  3. Leaf blowers
  4. Tile/brick saws
  5. etc.

But any one of those things, used inappropriately at 4:47 a.m. would also get you a visit and a ticket from the authorities.

[–]jrwreno 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

A ticket is MUCH DIFFERENT vs a command to get rid of a rooster.

[–]abbotleather[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

You've got it on the nose.

And I appreciate people suggesting no-crow collars and everything, but I don't think it's my responsibility to advise them on that.

I wouldn't tell someone else how to walk their dog, or raise their kids. That's their business, and so long as it abides by the law then good for them.

[–]jrwreno 9ポイント10ポイント  (11子コメント)

You've come to a chicken - hobbyist subreddit. We are going to tell you alternatives for crowing roosters rather than passive aggressive non-communication BS with neighbors.

[–]abbotleather[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look, I'm sorry to be ruffling your feathers with all of this.

I get it, I do. If I had been more rational at the time, I would have came here first and asked.

But that isn't how it turned out.

[–]justinsayin -2ポイント-1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Having someone politely and candidly provide a common sense warning about being neighborly is a part of what should go on here.

It's food for thought about what we're all doing.

[–]jrwreno 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

Being neighborly is talking with your neighbors, not what OP described. OP did not even give his neighbors a chance to reciprocate. Please do not lecture us about reminding us to use common sense and being neighborly, when that was the furthest thing that happened in this post. Could you not tell by the low votes and ALL the comments asking why he simply did not contact his neighbors?

ALL neighbors deserve fair communication first, period.

[–]Jerry_Hat-Trick 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I appreciate this post. I am getting my first chickens next week and am petrified of being a nuisance to someone else. It is a good reminder to all that you need to be vigilant about not violating bylaws or courtesy. If someone has a rooster crowing at the butt crack of dawn everyday, they should not be surprised when a neighbor's patience cracks. It is no different than someone with a yappy dog or who parties late at night.

[–]jrwreno 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

In the same right, communication is key to the success and stability of all relationships. It is the founding block of our civilization and species. If you are made to be annoyed by a neighbor for some reason, a basic and expected courtesy is to talk with the neighbor first, before calling the authorities to intervene or mediate. This was the argument made in the comment strings on this post!

A lot of people took offense that /u/abbotleather would come here to lecture us about being courteous and considerate with our neighbors....when OP paid no such regard to their neighbor in the first place.

As it is, we regularly discuss methods to control crowing in this sub, such as no-crow collars. We also discuss chicken coop doors set on timers to prevent roosters from crowing at the buttcrack of dawn, quieter breeds, giving away roosters, culling, even caponing the cockerels. A subreddit founded on communication that innovates ideas to solve these issues, so we maintain the peace with our neighbors.

[–]abbotleather[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your whole comment it great. Well worded and reasonable, and I'm going to come back to it after the weekend.

A question I have for you - is it normal for chickens to just stay in a little shed? I have seen references to controlled doors, but from all I have seen, these chickens never come out of their home.

Granted I moved in in September and winter is a thing, but I am curious.

[–]jrwreno 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Commercial operations normally house their chickens in sheds, without the dignity of an outside enclosure or real sunshine.

For people that responsibly care for their flocks, no. Chickens require a certain amount of chicken-run space in order to be happy and healthy. Being 'cooped up' is not natural, responsible, healthy or humane.