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[–]var_daen 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Are the more harmful hate subreddits going to be given a platform too?

[–]IntrepidVector 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, it feels like the most recent post was trying to be something different than the premise of the sub. Like, interviewing the mods doesn't quite fit the idea of documenting hate subreddits.

[–]Minn-ee-sottaaMarx, Lenin, and revolution. Real girls' talk.[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not at all.

[–]var_daen 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why were they invited at all?

[–]Minn-ee-sottaaMarx, Lenin, and revolution. Real girls' talk.[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone else currently on the mod team had already done it all and I didn't see at the moment a good reason to say no.

[–]TheHat2Mod: TiA, SJiA, former KiA 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

So, I'm a little bit confused as to what happened. I'm fine with our views being criticized and us having to respond to them, which I felt like the thread was accomplishing. But then there was this comment:

This whole post makes no sense, it's not even highlighting shit from TiA or explaining how TiA is bad, it's literally just giving their mods a platform to spew their talking points.

Is that really what was happening? Was the post meant to showcase how terrible we were, or how we addressed criticism of the sub?

And then this:

I had no intention of this being a 'neutral' AMA type post, I said they needed to be aggressive in their interview and call out all their bullshit.

I mean, if you want to drill me with hard questions, be my guest, I'm cool with it. But I'd prefer that be clear from the outset. We were under the impression that we could answer some questions in the thread and there would be strict moderation, but it felt like a couple of people wanted things to go differently. If there was some disagreement over how it was meant to be handled, I can understand.

But again, if you want to call TiA out on its bullshit and demand we answer to criticisms, go for it. Again, I'm okay with answering the tough questions.

[–]zahlman 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was the post meant to showcase how terrible we were

I mean, look at the premise of this subreddit.

[–]TomatoHereevil anti-white sjw cuck[M] -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

We gave the TiA mods a platform for spreading their hate.

[–]zahlman 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

What hate would that be, exactly? In particular, are you attributing hatred to the mods specifically, or to the subreddit?

[–]TheHat2Mod: TiA, SJiA, former KiA 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How so?

[–]LuisN 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

What actions, exactly?

[–]Minn-ee-sottaaMarx, Lenin, and revolution. Real girls' talk.[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Telling people to keep it civil and general tone policing. I realize now what I was doing.

[–]zahlman 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Telling people to keep it civil

... So you don't think that moderators should tell subscribers of a subreddit to keep discussion civil?

Even when the sidebar rules explicitly state "Also, if you are going to debate, stay civil."?

[–]LuisN 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Okay, you were tone-policing people who were criticizing /r/tia by attacking them. I don't think that gives credence to them, it actually just prevents the subreddit from becoming like them, imo.

[–]Minn-ee-sottaaMarx, Lenin, and revolution. Real girls' talk.[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay, that's fair. Just received some criticism from SRS mods and thought they brought up valid points about how reactionaries can't be coddled.

[–]tatsmazzers 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

That was horrible and honestly what I really want now is an actual writeup for TiA.

Because that's another key feature here that people used to echo-chamber subs don't understand: We don't moderate for opinion. As per our rules, you can express practically any idea you like provided that it's expressed civilly and with respect towards others. The community are pretty good at downvoting the more stupid opinions, and we mods leave them up because it's good to let people debate things out and expose bullshit for what it is.

I don't want to have to explain that this is ableist. I don't want to have to explain that you can't express a bigoted idea respectfully.

Ugh.

[–]Minn-ee-sottaaMarx, Lenin, and revolution. Real girls' talk.[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

And that's why I'm apologizing, and I appreciate the feedback. We are going to be working on a real writeup for TiA, if you want to contribute you're more than welcome to as well, just send us an invite.

[–]GammaKing -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are going to be working on a real writeup for TiA

Ha! Having been unable to put forward a convincing argument against anything we've said in the other thread, I'm rather disappointed to see you looking to resort to the same old "I'll just write a pile of smears" angle.

[–]GammaKing -3ポイント-2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Hi folks,

I noticed you locked that AMA thread. I just wanted to take a moment to thank /u/Minn-ee-sottaa for being so level-headed and keeping things at least somewhat productive. We appreciate it. A couple of comments I'd like to deal with:

Not only did you say okay, but then you're all over this thread reprimanding your subscribers for being uncivil to these reactionaries, and licking the boots of said reactionaries by apologizing to them for your subscribers' oh so uncivil conduct. Disgusting.

There is no difference between this post and the SubredditOfTheDay post on TRP that talked about the ""perception"" of TRP being misogynistic. The faux-journalistic tone of that post was so absurd that I had assumed it was part of why this sub was created. But now you have this post talking about TiA's "occasional negative portrayal of some social justice movements"! With this sub's mods all over the thread openly tone policing their own subscribers. Unreal.

This is exactly the kind of attitude that makes your userbase look like a hateful joke. I think it demonstrates very well the issues I raised over how these guys don't want to engage and are more interested in hurling abuse. "This interview didn't support the narrative I wanted it to, and you shouldn't want us to be nice to these guests" seems to miss the point of something like that. Hell, I'd even call that the sort of behaviour you'd expect from a hate sub.

And from your head mod:

Yeah, this thread went to shit, and is a pretty good example of the type of post that convinced me to make this subreddit in the first place. I had no intention of this being a 'neutral' AMA type post, I said they needed to be aggressive in their interview and call out all their bullshit. Apparently, the TiA mods said they'd only do the interview this way, and the submitter naively assumed that getting the interview was more important than the format.

To clear this up: we were asked to do an AMA by one of your users. I've made it very clear that if your users want a discussion they're welcome to it, but that if it were merely shit-throwing it'd be a waste of everyone's time. Your problem here isn't that the "interview" wasn't aggressive, it's that you didn't get the kind of "gotcha" responses to the bait questions we were sent. It doesn't support your political agenda and so you've dismissed it as a mistake. It's this kind of ridiculous, intellectually dishonest bullshit that's typical of /r/AgainstHateSubreddits. Can't consider for a minute that maybe, just maybe, TiA isn't a "hate subreddit" at all. So what you really mean is "the interview didn't give me the results I wanted", and hopefully someday you might realise that this is a flaw in your own ideology, not ours.

So again, thanks to Minn-ee-sottaa, but it seems the community here just can't step outside their echo chamber enough to actually make progress in the world.

[–]zahlman 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

it's that you didn't get the kind of "gotcha" responses to the bait questions we were sent. It doesn't support your political agenda and so you've dismissed it as a mistake.

To be honest, what they were asking mostly didn't strike me as "gotcha", so much as genuinely deluded as to what you and the rest of the TIA mod team (and the rest of TIA) are really about.

[–]GammaKing 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sorry, I misinterpreted this at first.

We're under no illusion that the original questions we were sent weren't an attempt to get us to say something that could be called "hateful". When our answers didn't fit the story these guys wanted to tell an AMA was suggested. That didn't work either and so here we are with a "why did you let them speak at all?" attitude.

[–]zahlman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, I hadn't realized there were "original questions". Maybe just not paying attention.

[–]TomatoHereevil anti-white sjw cuck 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your argument is based on the false premise that we think that everything that does not agree with our view is a hate subreddit. It's not! Hate speech is what makes a hate subreddit.

[–]GammaKing -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

The list of supposed hate subreddits recommended by /r/AgainstHateSubreddits strongly suggests otherwise, as I've explained elsewhere in this sub.