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[–]user_7at 88ポイント89ポイント  (16子コメント)

It's insane how fast women who have gotten nothing but attention will bend to someone who ignores or disregards them. They're not used to the chase and that sets you apart.

[–]1jb_trp 69ポイント70ポイント  (11子コメント)

When I was BP many years ago, I was good friends with this one girl. We worked together, would bake cookies together, watching movies, just as friends. I never really had any interest in her.

Well, she had this friend who was a total stunner. A 10. I'm not exaggerating. Well, this girl was so hot I didn't even try because I figured she was out of my league. One day I was charming as hell in front of all her friends and she wrote down her phone number, which I threw in the back of my car and did nothing with. Well, she then got my number off of her friend's cell phone and text me without permission. I guess the fact I gave her no attention drove her crazy?

As soon as I began to realized she might be interested I went full beta. She was sick once and I hand made her a get well card. She said to her friend, "I think jb_trp likes me" and lost all interest.

You always have to be the prize, even if it makes no sense, and always be willing to walk away.

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ah, the Red Pill. Once you see the code in the Matrix, you look back and realize, "Damn, so many missed opportunities..."

Years ago one of my best friends was a male model / aspiring actor, married to a well-known fashion designer in New York City. Lot of parties, lot of booze and blow, lot of models (mostly female, couple of guys) hanging around etc etc. One night at their place I'm chatting up this absolutely gorgeous girl (a model my friend's wife was working with at the time), we're totally vibing, and she gives me her number with "Yeah, let's stay in touch!!" Next morning: I look at the number for about 2 seconds, and then literally just toss the thing out, figuring why bother, it's not like I'm gonna date this chick or anything (I was a pudgy bastard at this point, with just a touch of Game but mostly I'd just stumbled into a situation in which I had a few "cool" friends and thus I was sorta cool by association). All I could think was: me, with this stunningly gorgeous thing? Forget it. Why waste my time even trying?

So a few weeks go by, and we all end up out at whatever the hot nightclub is at the time (bunch of friends from the industry), and there's the model chick from before. She slides into our group, comes up to me and says "Sooo--what have you been to...??" I rattle off something evasive and noncommittal ("Oh, busy" etc) and then she hits me with, "Yeah, I've been waiting for you to call me..." No joke, exact quote--and the funny thing is, she actually sounds a little hurt when she says it. Now here's the best part: I'm so bowled over (terrified really) when she says this that, now in a state of total shock, all I can do is just shrug and say something like "Huh. Really."--and then (here's the total cringe factor part, hilarious in retrospect) I just turned around and WALKED AWAY. (Seriously, my young mind was blown--it was like the little rainbow ball on the Mac when everything freezes--and I didn't know what else to do right then except beat a hasty retreat.)

Couldn't imagine the girl would have been interested in me at all (I wasn't nearly as good looking as the rest of the crowd), so I didn't even entertain the idea of calling her, let alone taking her out etc. Looking back now though, it was that very nonchalance that, honestly, probably would have gotten me a pretty solid date.

Tao of Steve was right: WE PURSUE THAT WHICH RETREATS FROM US. Lesson learned: display those alpha tells (the cool, aloof, zero-fucks-given attitude), and you're already halfway to home plate...

[–]1jb_trp 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

probably would have gotten me a pretty solid date

Doubtful. These women didn't want to date us. They wanted our attention and validation, to pull us into orbiter status.

[–]1max_peenor 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had an HB9 once tell me: "We already know if we are going to fuck you or not within a minute of meeting you." So close her. If you fail, it's because she was there to put you in orbit. Failing is succeeding in this case.

I have since asked every attractive, post-sexual-revolution woman with which I had a reasonable rapport. I can't think any that didn't agree with it.

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

True. Looking back on it now, I'm sure whatever interest / temporary fascination I held for her (due to my blowing her off) would have evaporated just a few minutes into any interaction we ended up having together. My (unwitting) "alpha tells" would have been revealed to be the smokescreen they were--and 10 minutes into our "date", with her Beta Warning System suddenly blaring away, she'd realize, "Oh, wait, he DOES think I'm hot shit after all--guess he doesn't have that harem at his beck and call like I thought he did... Hmm, I wonder who else is around tonight..." And that would have been that.

[–]user_7at 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

Thanks for the antidote. I ran into a lot of this when I was in my beta stages. It's so pathetic to look back on now.

[–]FromThePit 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

antidote

Anecdote. And I hear you, I think this happened to all of us.

[–]CpCdouchebag 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I dunno, I sort of like "the cure to the poison" in this context. Beta = poison.

[–]gu4po 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Life is a game show where we are the prize, and women are the contestants.

[–]trumpisafaggybeta 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's like seeing a fat, spoiled kid unable to get that one toy/game that he really wants.

[–]bowie747[🍰] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Any tips for being too difficult? I feel like I keep walking away when she's in the bag. After I've done the hard work. Not realising it's time to close, I leave or ignore thinking she'll come chase and then she doesn't.

[–]user_7at 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

She needs to feel like she's getting somewhere with her advances, but it needs to still be hard. They are equally as important. Happy cake-day by the way.

[–]TheStumblingWolf 53ポイント54ポイント  (1子コメント)

God damn I love this community and its unfiltered no-bullshit descriptions of how human psychology really works. People are so busy being politically correct and wrapping everything in proverbial cotton that it almost sickens me.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know. You won't hear these stories anywhere else except maybe Return of Kings.

That and the stories of men who date younger women (and make post-wall women bitter and jealous) are fascinating to me. Love that stuff, lol.

[–]submitted_5_days_ago 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

DO NOT BEND

He who must adapt has the lesser power.

When women adapt to your will to plate them (no commitment) you have the greater power.

When customers adapt to the monopoly company they have the lesser power.

And so on, and so on in every aspect of life.

[–]1Sir_Distic 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

Abundance mentality provides you the ability to walk from ANY woman. Always be willing to walk.

[–]3Meat-on-the-table 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

The halo effect applies at a base level for every woman and only gets amplified according to their beauty.

Co-opted quote: Treat a whore like a whore, and a princess like a whore.

[–]slooberki 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for your contributions man! I still have your online dating guide bookmarked. It's helped me so much in many aspects of interacting with women (both online and in person) and has tangibly improved my results drastically.

[–]naMlliPdeR 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have it bookmarked still too! Great guide, should be stickied forever.

[–]Stythe 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had a female friend who would do this when I didn't agree with her stances of female objectification. She always made sure to hang up the phone first too. Seems to have changed now that she's a little older and more miserable.

[–]EyeinX 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

They cannot stand rejection. My ex Unicorn was hard nexted by my bro that dated her just prior because he saw her giving her number to random dude at a party. She was moving to branch swing, but because he just dropped her and went no contact she said when we broke up "I was still into him for the first three months we were together."

[–]gantgui 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

especially with no closure like your bro probably did. Hard nexting with no explaination= female hamster does not comprehend and runs wild. In essence she was using you to try to get over him.

[–]EyeinX 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, I was indeed rebound. I gamed this one over 5 years. She's literally the prettiest girl I've ever seen in my life. Dad is Alpha 1.0 (thanks Blackdragon) sales director, QB of Ivy League football team, etc. Within 6 weeks I was at the McMansion for dinner with him. No other guy ever made it to daddy warbuck's. Was in her mom's wedding, we did a guitar/vocal duet. Both parents were talking marriage. I "was the best I've ever seen" said the father. "If you're gonna ask for her hand, come to me not her father" sayeth the mother. Total genetic sexual attraction, too. Lost my job, lost frame, lost the girl. Got her back after 5 months of study and pure agony, lost 20 lbs, couldn't sleep, nor value any other woman. STAGE 5 ONE-ITIS. I was sad Affleck...even completed a song with a Phoenix reference. Discovered Coach Corey Wayne and TRP in the aftermath of loosing her again. She brought a new guy to a party I threw last year, whom she is now engaged to. He has no idea what lurks beneath...at this point I consider myself unicorn widowed. I'll have to land a Milla Jovovich clone or do psychedelics to rewire my Eros circuit. Saving grace is knowing monogamy is no longer long term feasible. At least I got out sans baby and contract.

[–]FluffyWof 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

She sounds great. What happened?

[–]EyeinX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's so much to say; I've considered writing a script. In all fairness in consideration for the submissions here, it would be a fit contribution to create a per first post detailing the events leading up to and my experience with her. I am so utterly inspired by you all and feel such tremendous gratitude that I am moved to recall it all in detail for your consideration.

Short story, I had a clairvoyant dream 8 years before kissing her and asking her to go steady of the night that the same happened. I saw more coincidences and Jungian synchronicities than in any other relationship. In 50+ women I'd never experienced the raw emotional bliss of wanting marriage and children. She was the resolution to conflicts in self and the karma of my own parents' marriage. Best sex ever, the Disney fairytale, the love of my life...and essentially sister to KryptoKate from "Confessions of a Serial Monogamist." That post broke the goddamn spell, as did observing a woman with similar genetics moan and maneuver just like her during sex last night.

Sometimes Life has to humble you to the dust, put you in bondage, so that you might enjoy freedom. The self must suffer before it dies.

[–]Physio_Tool 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your right, Ill add on to your anecdote and say that I am an American and was visiting avery small town in Denmark. The girls there are of course very attractive blondes in Denmark. Well I hit it off with a girl who was a near 9 that would not have even given me the time of day here in Scotland (as rare as they are here) and we were chatting over facebook and flirting and it was getting lightly sexual but I just went stone cold silent on her because I had to go back anyway. The girl couldn't handle me going silent on her that she actually blocked me on FB and whatsapp. Talk about butt hurt.

[–]G3RTY 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

I tried walking away after an, "ok" and she never came back and some other guy forcibly made out with her a few hours later.

[–]103342 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is the problem with guys that think that TRP is PUA.

You can't "try" to walk away, if you think everytime you "try" to walk away the girl is going to crawl back to you, you are delusional.

This is what abundance mentality is all about:

"She's not yours it is just your turn". "Always be willing to walk away". etc.

This isn't (or it shouldn't be) a manipulation technique. This is what you should feel about the situation.

Everything gets easier, game and frame gets easier, when you just love your life and yourself.

You love gaming new girls. You love working out. You love the sports you play. You love your friends. You love spending time alone. Meditating, reading, playing some instrument, working in your career. You love it.

If you use walking away as a bluff, you are going to get frustrated.

[–]PeanutFlavor 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

THIS.

Big reason why I moved away from the PUA stuff. I saw success with the techniques--surely--so I won't follow the herd and knock it, but I just couldn't get into the fact that there seemed to be so much fighting yourself over "ownership" of a woman. There was so much tap dancing and court jester buffoonery going on. Many of these techniques took too much valuable time away from things that were actually important to the game as a whole and that would actually develop internal confidence to a point where one would be a lot more natural of a speaker with women and make longer, deeper eye contact--enjoying that friction and enjoying the release as well.

Even TRP sometimes gets deep into shit that I have don't have to give 3/5 of a flying fuck about. I feel too natural at this point. I can do my own shit and it'll work, so I don't need to have that much value placed in any particular woman like that anymore to really get into the old fuzzy hat, DHV, feigning being stoic shit--I AM the fuzzy hat, I truly AM detached because sexually, I've already seen what I psychologically needed to see a few years ago. I need nothing from else anyone's interaction with me. Abundant mindset at play.

If I'm not feeling it or she's not feeling it, I will never hurt for the attention again..it's coming my way tomorrow, literally, from someone brand new. It's almost daily that a new plate springs up if I choose to put it out there, very little effort these days. Definitely in a phase of amused mastery at the moment. Surely there'll once again be a time when I'm not on a roll...so I'm staying educated to keep the impact as minimal as possible, so I can be adapt with it and learn.

[–]tridtrid 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you hinting that the times are changing? How so?

[–]G3RTY 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It wasnt a bluff, and I do follow the principle of abundance. I literally had it in my mind that it did not matter

[–]Expectations1 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its like patrice o neal says "WE'RE BETTER THAN THEM"

[–]grass_cutter 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't agree with all of this.

Firstly hot chicks are just as insecure as anybody else. They usually know they are hot, but also struggle to be taken seriously and are always questioning whether men are friends/ or even dating them strictly for their nice bod/ ass/ face, or something more.

They also get the weirdest reactions from men, bar none, because many men are always nervous or "trying to make something happen" with her all the time, so say ridiculously stupid shit, try and bust on her a lot, and fuck knows what else.

Even though men "act weird" around her a lot, especially at work and other weird places, they don't get directly approached as much because the cowards at the bar have more courage to approach that club-footed 7 who appears "higher chance."

The most important thing to do with a 10 is NOT CHANGE YOUR GAME, AT ALL.

That's the biggest mistake. Thinking you have to run "ultra game" suddenly is the biggest fucking mistake; you're already putting her on a pedestal and acting like a weirdo.

Treating her like porcelain goddess is one mistake. Another is the ultra-obvious over-reaction and talking shit to her constantly and putting her down and reacting to her all the goddamn time, or "correcting her."

Act like a normal human being, run your standard game, that's the best way. Not being intimidated or goofy is what will set you apart. That and just being a cool guy to start out with.

[–]1kez88 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you make a great point about not over correcting either, but honestly you should probably be willing to walk away and not bend to any girls random crap, its just especially true with 10's I think is the point he's trying to make

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I guarantee to you that any other-worldly attractive chick you meet has some serious baggage. And how do I know this? Because of the halo effect. If everyone around her constantly sees her as blameless, she’s almost certain to go down some dark paths with little to no resistance.

...the hottest girl at the bar. But how exactly do you go about plating her?

This is an excellent point and I will just add something about marriage for those traditionalists reading TRP:

The sad, ironic truth is that almost all beautiful women are not marriage material. This is something traditionally minded cultures (that encouraged marriage 1.0) have always understood but they rarely outright explained. Due to the combined advantage of being 1) a woman and being 2) beautiful, beautiful women almost always grow up to be manipulative shit-testers who think their shit don't stink. They are not fun to be in a relationship with. They are a fleeting experience to enjoy. Pump and dump or plate until they drop.

I don't have a specific reference for this on hand, but I recall reading some interesting scholarly sources regarding marriage trends in China as well as Jewish matchmakers. The "folk wisdom" is to set yourself up with a woman we might call a "6, 7, or 8". Nines and Tens are off limits. If you really need to bust a nut in one go downtown to a prostitute who is a 9 or 10, but you don't marry one. All nines and tens got away with too much while they were growing up. They were daddy's little princess. They could do no wrong in school. Everyone was chasing them for dates. They become social experts from floating through life on easy mode. They learn how to manipulate by batting their eyelashes. They simply don't make a good mate for a husband. But go ahead and fuck 'em when you can.

This is the fucked up paradox for men and marriage 1.0: you want the prize of a beautiful wife but if you win that prize you are rewarded with a shitty relationship because beautiful women make for poor marriage partners. If you take the more homely woman she will be a good partner but your eyes will always be wandering. You will be wondering about fucking other, hotter women.

Marriage 1.0 was no halcyon institution where all was right with the world and everyone fucked beautiful slender submissive wives. Men lost no matter what. Marriage wasn't about winning, it was a duty you engaged in for the sake of your tribe, your nation, for civilization. For the good of the children.

And now even M1.0, as functional as it was, isn't even an option. We are living during fallen times. Or as Captain Capitalism once said: This IS the collapse. It's a choice between a so-so option and a meh-meh option. You just sack up and get on with the task at hand. Find your niche. Read the wisdom of the ancients and heed the warnings of your elders.

[–]MortalSisyphus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Read the wisdom of the ancients and heed the warnings of your elders.

Except the wisdom of the ancients and the warnings of your elders will talk about honor and tell you not to let your tribe collapse.

[–]DJGammaRabbit 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Love this post because it's truer than anything I've experienced. You're friend zoning ME? It's unfathomable.

[–]EscortSportage 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I totally agree with being indifferent and telling women no. Ive been seeing this woman for a while now and ive said no numerous times and got firm with her, and the next time i saw her she had cold beer and dinner waiting for me, among other things. Its like the more times i say no, or im busy or i cant i have plans the more she wants me.

paradigm shift

[–]askmrcia 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I just experienced this, over the weekend. So this 9/10 girl at work ask me to go out with her and this other guy. I said sure. This past Saturday me and this girl been texting trying to figure up a time and place. I picked on location and she bitched about it. So I picked another one that was a five minute walk from her apartment.

It was downtown. We agree to meet up at eleven. Me and the other guy are pretty close. So we grab a few beers. It's now 11:45pm and she saying she own her way. I said whatever, let's go to another bar because I don't feel like waiting on her.

So we at another bar. The girl calls me and ask where I'm at. I say I'm at a bar that's like 100yds away. Just walk on down. She said she can't do that because she will be raped if she walked down because of the way she was dressed. I laughed and told her Ill come get her. I honestly thought she was joking and wanted me to go get her and walk with her.

Boy oh boy, was I wrong. She completely flipped on me. Started cussing me out saying I was an asshole for having her wait at the bar by herself. She then said I'm an asshole for telling her to walk to the bar I was at by herself. I was like wtf?

I told her, well you were late. She says "who shows up at a bar at 11pm."

I'm like whatever. So we get to the bar. I start chatting up with these group of girls just for fun, not paying her or the other guy attention. Five minutes later she flips on me again saying I'm weird for picking a bar that plays pop music.

She wants a bar that plays rap music. Now the bar we were at played both. So I'm like whatever.

She then flips on me again saying she feels awkward around me because she can't hang out with two guys at one time. So she tells me she is leaving the bar for another club she's more familiar with.

Me and the other guy follow her to this bar, which was like next door. We at the other bar and she has to "go to the bathroom."

When she leaves I tell the other guy that nothing against him, but I'm leaving.

So that was this past Saturday Today all three of us meet up. Now as I mentioned me and the other guy are boys. We always go to lunch together so we can play pool. Well not always, most days. Today she asked if she can come with us. Now she never did this before. We said sure. As we are walking to the cafeteria the girl was like "hey lets just drop it, everything cool." And I was like "Sure since I didn't do anything wrong, but yea lets drop it."

You guessed it. That started a mini argument of her accusing me for being an ass and for leaving them two together at the bar. I told her I left because she said she felt awkward when being out with two guys at the same time. Yes, I know that sounds retarded, but its what she said.

So eventually we agree that we cool.

Now why did I tell this story? Because she's a 9/10 and she thinks guys like me is supposed to bend over for her. She camew 45mins late. Not to mention we picked a place literraly 5mins away from her. She took a FREAKING UBER to the bar because she thinks guys will rape her if she walks down the street by herself. Those were her words and she says she never goes out alone. During Saturday she kept texting me being unsure if she wants to go or not. So what I'm saying is she made the entire planning process hard and she killed the mood when all three of us went out. She no doubt got away with that behavior before. The other guy stayed with her. She even bragged to me today how her and the other guy had so much fun together.

Now I can't tell if she wants me and is using the other guy to get me jealous or she wants me and the other guy to give her attention. The other guy is short and not as attractive. He's my boy, but its true. He's like 5'5 and I'm 6'0". All of us are 25 years old.

Just a little background. We are all new workers in training. I flirted with this girl at the job (I know don't shit where you eat, but she is gorgeous). She seemed interested at first. She was the one who asked me to hang. She seemed real cool.

I'll edit this later for grammar, but this is the whole story I thought I share with you guys. I'm on my way to class now lol.

[–]FeeFeeFeaster 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

She completely flipped on me. Started cussing me out saying I was an asshole for having her wait at the bar by herself.

This is when you should have walked. But I know it was made more difficult for you by this:

We are all new workers in training. I flirted with this girl at the job...

If you're in this situation again with a non-coworker, walk immediately.

Because she's a 9/10... she thinks guys will rape her if she walks down the street by herself.

Because she's 25 and in the recent past was fed bullshit numbers about 1/4 women on campus being "sexually assaulted" in our "rape culture."

[–]ClericJohnPreston 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Don't keep anything in your life that you can't walk away from in 30 seconds if you spot the heat around the corner". Neil McCauley (Deniro in "Heat")

It doesn't QUITE work perfectly for TRP in this context but this is exactly what I think of every time this subject matter is brought up here. I love that movie.

[–]RedPistola 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Om, I missed you bro. I'm glad the promotions keeping you busy. Keep the snippets coming, they're much appreciated.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAdderallabuse 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

OmLaLa and his readers creating Alpha Widows . God Bless TRP

[–]Il128 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The real negative about hb9-10 is that they have insanely high n counts. They are very much used to pumping and dumping the highest quality men. For them there's always another alpha in the wings.

Most of these women I've spent time with game just as hard as the best man can game. They really are incapable of commitment and would never stop playing the field.

The other thing I've noticed about them is that they are all looking to gold dig some poor bastard.

When she's smoking hot I just game my best and hope for some NSA sex. I can't imagine actually plating one of these hb9-10 chicks.

[–]Intensityintensifies 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with the bulk of your post but I feel that saying O.K. when you disagree is not the proper route. She's used to people saying O.K. or, "whatever you want beautiful" just to keep her around and keep her happy. From my personal experience picking up the gauntlet and explaining why you disagree with her and not being scared to challenge her on the power she thinks she has over men gets a far better response because you are asserting your independence and making her actually fight to be right rather than assuming her tits will do the talking. Saying O.K. is in a way bending to her because she'll just hamster herself into a position where she thinks you surrendered.

[–]meh613 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How can I tell if I have a girl "half-interested" in me? Their reactions to my conversation have ranged from (mostly) politely listening to asking to come over and giving me a blowjob (on one occasion). Now, of course, the one that came over was a 1 on my (harsh) scale for rating women, and she's still stalking me.

[–]greatmikeshark 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

upvoted on the fact it's not the length of a PHD thesis

[–]Kazuke86 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

good content boiled down to few words. This is a quality post, distilled to a top quality post.

[–]Il128 -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Holy shit. I see from the comments 99% of you haven't even been within ten feet of a 10 let alone gamed one.

First of all, these women are the masters of dread game. You meet dread game with dread game and see how that goes.

The thing to do is maintain frame and use acceptance technique. You're never going to land a 10 by ignoring her.

[–]phate0451 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

What's the acceptance technique?