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[–]Uptrenda [スコア非表示]  (54子コメント)

This is just really bizarre. Why did he go to the trouble to write that post on "verifying" the signature without providing a valid signature any where on the page? I first thought the base64 encoded string at the top was the real signature but all it decodes to is: "Wright, it is not the same as if I sign Craig Wright, Satoshi."

Simple code to show the sig is the same as the sig in TX: 828ef3b079f9c23829c56fe86e85b4a69d9e06e5b54ea597eef5fb3ffef509fe:

import base64

import binascii

x = base64.b64decode("MEUCIQDBKn1Uly8m0UyzETObUSL4wYdBfd4ejvtoQfVcNCIK4AIgZmMsXNQWHvo6KDd2Tu6euEl13VTC3ihl6XUlhcU+fM4=")

print(binascii.hexlify(x))

3045022100c12a7d54972f26d14cb311339b5122f8c187417dde1e8efb6841f55c34220ae0022066632c5cd4161efa3a2837764eee9eb84975dd54c2de2865e9752585c53e7cce (which is the same sig used in https://blockchain.info/tx/828ef3b079f9c23829c56fe86e85b4a69d9e06e5b54ea597eef5fb3ffef509fe?format=hex -- which can be decoded here https://blockchain.info/decode-tx -- note the input script hex)

This outcome is just incredibly strange. Did he expect to convince us with that article or that no one would notice? Not sure what's going on here but I'd really like to know ...

He apparently gave cryptographic proof to multiple different people. Where is said proof?

Edit - other possibilities:

  1. Gavin might have been hacked.

  2. The article might not have been intended as proof but a protocol for journalists to verify his claims (though its strongly implied that he's signing the Sarte text but maybe the sig in the article was intended as an example.)

  3. Gavin might have been tricked (but the post seems to imply that he at least verified the signatures himself - so where are they?)

  4. Gavin is a liar (I'd like to believe this isn't true.)

Update: Gavin's commit access just got revoked. It seems I'm not the only one who thinks Gavin might have been hacked. https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/727078284345917441

[–]c_o_r_b_aredditor for 2 months [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

The article might have never been intended as proof but a protocol for journalists to verify his claims.

That's sort of the impression he seems to be giving, now that I re-read it. But, again, why not just publicly prove it instead of only demonstrating it to a select few people?

[–]mvanvoorden [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's way easier to convince some journalists, who will spread the story. Even if it turns out to be false later, most people don't read or share rectifications. And when people want to verify, journalists cannot give out their sources. To protect their privacy, or whatever they come up with.

[–]seweso [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

In the remainder of this post, I will explain the process of verifying a set of cryptographic keys.

I never got the impression that he was trying to proof anything. My first impression was that he was performing a magic trick.

[–]c_o_r_b_aredditor for 2 months [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I agree. But why do this instead of doing the thing that would prove he's Satoshi?

[–]seweso [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If he is not Satoshi, his actions make perfect sense. That's the simplest and most plausible explanation.

But there could be legitimate reasons why he would go to all this trouble. Maybe he doesn't want to reveal his identity and therefor he is puts in the least amount of effort, and puts his private keys to the least amount of public exposure. Maybe it makes total sense that he is taking baby steps here.

But I'm not convinced.

[–]flakycraigslistbuyer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

To buy himself time, maybe? I think the time frame until his fraud was uncovered was incredibly short though.

[–]ex_ample [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because it's a scam. He's running the code himself in front of people rather then simply distributing the signed text. Probably using a hacked client of some sort.

No way this guy is for real.

[–]VerlorenesMetallgeld [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

That's sort of the impression he seems to be giving, now that I re-read it.

Then why doesn't he say "I'm going to take one of my old signatures for illustration purposes" but pretends he's using some Satre document?

Edit: quote from the post:

The particular file that we will be using is one that we have called Sartre. The contents of this file have been displayed in the figure below. [screenshot of Satre text]

If it quacks like a duck...

[–]MaunaLoona [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The intent is obviously to obfuscate and to fool as many people as possible as quickly as possible.

[–]bobabouey [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I posted this detailed analysis describing a likely motivation for Craig needing to "prove" he is Satoshi.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w9xec/just_think_we_deserve_an_explanation_of_how_craig/cxuo6ac

The short version is that he made fictional investments in a company by claiming to have transferred his personal "interest" in $29m of bitcoin to the target company. (I.e. no blockchain transfer, just a legal document claiming to transfer that amount of bitcoin.)

He then claimed substantial cash R&D credits from those transactions.

Australian taxation office (ATO) began investigating. He has paperwork showing the transactions, but knows that ATO might dig around and want to see verification that he truly owned $32m of bitcoin. To cover that, he claims he put all his bitcoin in a trust, where the trustee was another early bitcoiner. Unfortunately, that friend has now passed away, and the private keys are lost.

In order for the BS to be even vaguely plausible, he needs to show that he originally had access to $32m of bitcoin. This is why he pretends to be Satoshi.

[–]MaunaLoona [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes, this is great. I remember reading either that post or one very much like it back when Craig was "reluctantly accused" of being Satoshi.

[–]NicolasDorier [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

He is maybe shorting the market.

[–]MaunaLoona [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

He's probably hoping to scam money out of investors somehow by claiming he is Satoshi. He'll use the BBC and other news articles as "proof".

[–]NicolasDorier [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

oh I did not thought about that. He is impressive.

[–]MaunaLoona [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

He's probably desperate for cash as he owes a lot of money in taxes.

[–]NicolasDorier [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Well... with such ingenuity I'd say paying the fine is easier than pulling out such BS and make so much people believing it.

[–]MaunaLoona [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Think of Madoff's ponzi scheme. He had $65 billion in fabricated gains. What if the government asked him to pay taxes on those gains? Of course he doesn't have the money -- the gains are fabricated. He doesn't even have enough to pay the taxes. If he had to pay the taxes he'd either have to come clean or go to jail for failing to pay taxes.

This is speculation, of course. I have no more insight into Wright's tax situation than anyone else.

[–]Yakuza_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That is unless there are worse skeletons to keep hidden and he needs enough cash to disappear forever

[–]VirtualMoneyLover [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

It is called an advanced fee fraud. You claim you have access to a fortune but for some reasons you can't have it right now and you ask for a loan...

[–]MaunaLoona [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Makes sense. There is a number of reasons he could use, such as:

  • I don't want to move my bitcoins as they are watched and would create uncertainty in the market
  • I can't cash out the bitcoins yet for tax reasons

I'm sure more plausible-sounding explanations can be invented.

[–]_Mr_E [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Great, core needed an excuse to remove Gavin, and now they got it.

[–]jonny1000 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

When will the media learn?

I do not think that comment is totally fair. Three organizations broke this story, one of which was the Economist. The Economist they said they didn't believe the individual in question was Satoshi. Therefore you can hardly blame them.

We are not so sure. Although they are not completely satisfactory, Mr Wright provided credible answers to the questions which were asked of him after he was outed last year. He seems to have the expertise to develop a complex cryptographic system such as bitcoin. But doubts remain: why does he not let us send him a message to sign, for example?

Source: http://www.economist.com/news/briefings/21698061-craig-steven-wright-claims-be-satoshi-nakamoto-bitcoin

[–]waxwing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But doubts remain: why does he not let us send him a message to sign, for example?

Smoking gun right there. It seems obvious he doesn't have control of Satoshi's keys.

[–]cryptobaseline [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

so he'll go through extra-ordinary lengths (doing an interview with BBC, exchanging emails back and forth) and YET he is not going to sign another message because he doesn't want to jump through the hoops.

[–]bitcoinknowledge [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But doubts remain: why does he not let us send him a message to sign, for example?

Because he does not possess the private key to sign it with!

[–]fx32 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

When will the media learn?

I do not think that comment is totally fair.

To go meta, the Dutch public broadcasting organisation (NOS) is actually referring to this thread as a source for doubting Wright's claim.

[–]Uptrenda [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I was going to say: lets play devils advocate here and assume that this post was used as some kind of instructional to verify a proof that was released through other means. As in: here you go, read this to verify it. But the article strongly implies that the message being signed is the article here: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1964/12/17/sartre-on-the-nobel-prize/ because of the file names used in the signing and in the commands.

Interestingly, when you arrange the article listed above and run the same commands on it: it doesn't even produce the same SHA256 hash shown in the images: ba8c100881b19e23029183e3676a0915569da686172cf85839cfbde1a6640327, ab2ed58c9225d4e8804cd3f9724267a6bb03bb0b9ebfc0d5c20e9ebb79291c63, or 5632f92609e76c65461c840fa8b1854a5e75f3fcca466e30f7ccbdb6be93efe9 depending on where you place new lines (instead of 479f9dff0155c045da78402177855fdb4f0f396dc0d2c24f7376dd56e2e68b05.)

I also considered that maybe he had somehow found a collision in SHA256 for that Sartre article and that's why the sig was valid but ... that's just not the case here (already reaching at impossible straws here.) Maybe his intention is to laugh at how gullible the press are in the Bitcoin world? But then why would Gavin have gone along with this? Maybe there is an actual proof that was shown to the reporters + Gavin and we're all jumping to conclusions ...

Will stay tuned but its highly likely this is bullshit.

[–]Nimja_ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

51 minutes ago FYI, @gavinandresen's commit access just got removed - Core team members are concerned that he may have been hacked.

https://twitter.com/bitcoincoreorg

Impressive stuff by the scammers!

[–]tomtomtom7 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It seems to me that the first part of the post clearly states that the message he will sign is exactly "Wright, it is not the same as if I sign Craig Wright, Satoshi.\n\n".

The part below

In the remainder of this post, I will explain the process of verifying a set of cryptographic keys.

.. is him explaining the process of verifying a set of cryptographic keys.

Very detailed so that the actual procedure will be followed correctly.

Now its just waiting (or searching) for the signature.

[–]c_o_r_b_aredditor for 2 months [スコア非表示]  (72子コメント)

So he literally just copied and pasted a random public transaction signature (encoded to base64) and put it on his blog? (Edit: Nevermind, I'm not entirely correct. He copied the already publicly known public key and signature from a transaction Satoshi made. But it doesn't change the situation; anyone could have done that.)

I mean, something's gotta be wrong there. Someone going through all this effort for the con would surely realize that'd be debunked in like an hour (which it was).

He's obviously almost certainly not Satoshi, but I'm just left with more questions than answers.

Random theory: Was it totally intentional and part of a sort of "confidence game" publicity stunt? That is, the Sartre reference ("If I sign Craig Wright, it is not the same as if I sign Craig Wright, Satoshi.") being used to mean something like "I actually am Satoshi, but I'm not going to prove it because it'd taint my research too much" or some other bullshit reverse psychology type of thing?

The other theory is that his blog post wasn't intended to be a demonstration of how to verify he's Satoshi, and instead was just... a random primer on ECDSA. But that makes even less sense. If that is the case, all we have to go on is the supposed verifications he did in private with Gavin Andresen and Jon Matonis.

[–]budrow21 [スコア非表示]  (28子コメント)

Why was his entire blog post a tutorial on using encryption tools rather than the actual proof anyway? The whole thing is crazy.

[–]c_o_r_b_aredditor for 2 months [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, if you actually read the blog post it hardly makes any sense (even though the technical guide seems correct). As someone else said, he probably just filled it with "technical gobbledygook" to bedazzle journalists and laymen and make him seem serious so that he'd get at least a few hours of huge publicity before it all came crashing down.

[–]pokertravis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

haha I was like "I'm not reading that".

"Security is always a risk function an not an absolute." http://www.drcraigwright.net/jean-paul-sartre-signing-significance/

Thats sounds to me like saying: Identity verification is a probability not confirmation of fact.

Guy doesn't realize writing analysis will be out in the morning.

[–]theymos[S] [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

Obfuscation. Apparently it worked well enough to trick a bunch of "journalists".

[–]alaskanloops [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This will be a good filter on which blogs to unfollow. Just read several headlines around the lines of "Satoshi unmasked at last" by what I thought were reputable sources of information.

If they're wrong on this, I wonder what else they're wrong on?

[–]jonny1000 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Except the journalists were not tricked. At least the Economist ones were not. This makes the whole thing even weirder

[–]roybadami [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's very similar in that respect to the anonymous paper that purports (and fails) to refute Greg Maxwell's analysis of the (probably) faked Satoshi GPG keys that were released some time ago. Like this blog post, that paper, too, is obfuscated with long technology tutorials.

[–]supermari0 [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

I'm still thinking Andresen and Matonis were shown actual proof.

[–]bobthesponge1 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I'm giving Andresen, Matonis and Grigg the benefit of the doubt for 48 hours. No hard cryptographic proof after that I'll be throwing tomatoes :)

[–]larsga [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

This is really baffling. Andresen's blog post is mostly about how he was totally convinced even without the actual proof. And it's very vague on what proof he was shown. That's really weird. The focus should have been on the proof, and that it's not makes it sound like he didn't get any proof.

[–]dapperdanceredditor for 2 months [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It sounded like a teen girl meeting a Johnny Depp impersonator

[–]bell2366 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Exactly it would of been far simpler for him to pre-announce he would move a few bitcoin from a known satoshi address, and then do it!

[–]optimists [スコア非表示]  (22子コメント)

Maybe what he tried to pull off only took an hour. The better question is: what was infor Gavin?

[–]c_o_r_b_aredditor for 2 months [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

I'm leaning towards the idea that Gavin genuinely thought he was Satoshi and was fooled, as were a few other people. Which is depressing. I know people here hate him, but I don't think he was in on it. He's incompetent rather than evil.

I think Wright does have legitimate crypto and programming knowledge, studied Satoshi's writing a bit, and was able to both talk the talk and use the charm common to all conmen to get them to believe it.

And from there all he had to do was take his laptop out and stage verifying blocks 1 and 9 in front of them. That could be done in various ways while still making it look like he's running actual signature verification commands. Essentially, he would've replaced one or more of the commands with dummy versions. Just about anyone with basic programming knowledge could do it.

The Economist seemed to confirm that the verification was indeed only done from Wright's own computer and was not independently verified by them:

Mr Wright has also demonstrated this verification in person to The Economist—and not just for block 9, but block 1. Such demonstrations can be stage-managed; and information that allows us to go through the verification process independently was provided too late for us to do so fully. Still, as far as we can tell he indeed seems to be in possession of the keys, at least for block 9. This assessment is shared by two bitcoin insiders who have sat through the same demonstration: Jon Matonis, a bitcoin consultant and former director of the Bitcoin Foundation, and Gavin Andresen, Mr Nakamoto’s successor as the lead developer of the cryptocurrency’s software (he has since passed on the baton, but is still contributing to the code).

Maybe Gavin or Jon did independently verify it despite The Economist not doing so. But they never said they did. And I'm betting they didn't.

If this is true, the only question is why supposed experts would just accept that and not independently verify it from their own computers.

All they had to do was ask him to sign a message with something like "Craig Wright = Satoshi" using the genesis block's address's private key and/or Satoshi's GPG key, stick the message and signature on a USB drive (which could potentially have malware, but probably unlikely to be effective against Jon or Gavin's computers without a zero-day), and have them plug it in and check that it validates.

Though even then: if he was really Satoshi and really wanted to prove it, he would have posted the message and signature publicly.

edit:

Disregard this post for now, I guess. I should read more carefully. Gavin claims he did independently verify it on a clean computer.

Part of that time was spent on a careful cryptographic verification of messages signed with keys that only Satoshi should possess. But even before I witnessed the keys signed and then verified on a clean computer that could not have been tampered with, I was reasonably certain I was sitting next to the Father of Bitcoin.

I think that leaves only two very concerning possibilities:

  • Craig Wright is Satoshi.
  • Gavin is wittingly collaborating with him in this scam.

[–]theymos[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

not just for block 9, but block 1

Keep in mind that block 1 is not the genesis block. The genesis block is block 0. Block 1 was probably mined by someone on the cryptography mailing list, and it is possible that Wright could have acquired this private key.

[–]ciphera [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Couple this with the fact that Gavin is not exactly an expert on crypto.

[–]pb1x [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

He doesn't claim to be

I am not a Cryptographer

- Gavin

[–]ciphera [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Indeed! He can't even handle certificates on his blog. Try going to https://gavinandresen.ninja

https://twitter.com/larrysalibra/status/727063793247756289

And yet, we expect him to positively identify Satoshi via cryptographic keys? Would have been better to send Todd or Maxwell who would have thought of ways he could try to trick them.

[–]dchestnykh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I guarantee you that most real cryptographers can't install TLS certificate on their server without following some kind of tutorial.

[–]astrolabe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You don't need to know much crypto to understand the use of digital signatures. It's ridiculous to suppose that Gavin doesn't.

[–]646463 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's a hosted blog afaik...

Please confirm it's not an error on svbtle's part.

Edit: chasedittmer.com is also hosted via svbtle, so the best explanation is that this has nothing to do with Gavin. IMO this reflects more poorly on @larrysalibra

screenshot of tweet incase @larrysalibra gets cold feet

[–]RubberFanny [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

svbtle

well svbtle are using a cert issued by Go Daddy so I'm guessing it's not a cert supplied/issued by them. Looks like good ol' Chase Dittmer is hosting his blog with his cert from let's encrypt on the same server as Gavin and so https requests are using his cert by default. Gavin probably hasn't set up a cert on his blog I'd say. I don't think this is an error on the part of Gavin.

[–]NLNico [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If I put my conspiracy-hat on, I would say the following Craig Wright quote is relevant:

Simulations on his supercomputer show, he says, that blocks could theoretically be as large as 340 gigabytes in a specialised bitcoin network shared by banks and large companies.

[–]BitcoinRootUserredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Gavin claims on his blog it was verified on an independent computer of his

Part of that time was spent on a careful cryptographic verification of messages signed with keys that only Satoshi should possess. But even before I witnessed the keys signed and then verified on a clean computer that could not have been tampered with, I was reasonably certain I was sitting next to the Father of Bitcoin.

[–]c_o_r_b_aredditor for 2 months [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That makes things more interesting. I removed that part from my post.

Not exactly "independent" verification. But either the "clean" computer wasn't really clean, or Gavin's complicit in the scam, or Wright has Satoshi's keys.

[–]BitcoinRootUserredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yup any one of those 3. I'm not really leaning towards any yet ;(

I have more respect for Gavin than most here. But if this turns out to be false all will be lost

[–]waxwing [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Why did he not specifically provide a challenge text (or if he did, why didn't he say so)? Or, more generally, what kind of message was signed? Was it timestamped?

[–]killerstorm [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

Don't forget that Gavin Andresen is involved in this hoax.

[–]ikilled [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Was Gavin's Blog hacked?

[–]Devam13 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Isn't Gavin an American. Wait for him to wake up. Probably in an hour or so. /u/gavinandresen please confirm you wrote the blog post.

[–]ikilled [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Gavin's reddit account could.be clhacked too. :) We need a cryptographic signature from Gavin

[–]ztsmart [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This just in, Craig Wright is the real Gavin Andresen

[–]exmachinalibertas [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I hope so. This is confusing as fuck. Gavin's not an idiot and this is clearly a fake.

[–]killerstorm [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yep, that's possible.

Another possibility is that NSA asked Gavin to compromise Bitcoin and gave him a gag order, so he cannot speak about it. He doesn't have a warrant canary either, but he can show that he cannot be trusted by posting random crap like that on his blog.

[–]TheJediWizard [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

It's all a ruse to lure the real satoshi out.

[–]thatdudeadam [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Mr Wright said he planned to release information that would allow others to cryptographically verify that he is Satoshi Nakamoto. Soon after Mr Wright went public, Gavin Andresen, chief scientist at the Bitcoin Foundation, published a blog backing his claim. "I believe Craig Steven Wright is the person who invented Bitcoin," he wrote. Jon Matonis, an economist and one of the founding directors of the Bitcoin Foundation, said he was convinced that Mr Wright was who he claimed to be. "During the London proof sessions, I had the opportunity to review the relevant data along three distinct lines: cryptographic, social, and technical," he said. "It is my firm belief that Craig Wright satisfies all three categories."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36168863

[–]BIGbtc_Integration [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Leah Goodman of Newsweek also says it's maybe, well not, but could be almost true.... Maybe.

[–]-ment [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The reason he says he will never accept any money, awards or a Nobel Prize is because he is a fraud and he would get into serious trouble if he did and was found out. He is in it for the fame and adoration. His insistent reminders that this is definitely not the case, his vague "proofs", his body language... should be enough for anyone paying close attention to become highly suspicious.

[–]omeganemesis28 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I mean did it not ring any bells when reporters heard that he said he would not sign additional messages to prove it?

Hang on. Let me go claim I'm heir to this random rich dude's legacy to prove my point. Here is my claim, take my word for it, but no I won't give you my DNA sample to prove I'm related.

[–]G1lius [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

"I am convinced beyond a reasonable doubt: Craig Wright is Satoshi."
-Gavin Andresen

And his credibility sinks further...

[–]todu [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I think it's quite possible that Gavin's blog account was hacked and that the hacker wrote that entire blog post in an attempt to discredit Gavin's reputation. Now that I think about it, it's been several hours since that "I believe that Craig is Satoshi" blog post was published but no other comments from Gavin at all despite all the heavy criticism in all subreddits.

Another reason to suspect that Gavin's blog account has been hacked:

Gavin usually tweets a link to his blog post as soon as he publishes it. Gavin made no such tweet for this particular blog post. That's possibly because the hacker has hacked Gavin's blog account but not hacked Gavin's Twitter account.

tldr: Why would Gavin post a controversial blog post and then immediately go to sleep not answering any of the criticisms? Sounds like his blogging account got hacked to me.

[–]G1lius [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

He might just not be available. He's a busy man.

He's confirmed to have been there, and if he didn't approve it's unlikely BBC and others would have viewed this story as valid, or at least expressed more doubts.

[–]todu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's going to be interesting to see Gavin's comments on all of these criticisms regarding his "verification" that Craig is Satoshi. This is not a good day for us big blockers no matter what Gavin's comments will be.

[–]RubberFanny [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Haha my thoughts exactly. I now believe nothing GA says on anything technical ever if he relies on staged non publicly available proof as far as I'm concerned he's in on the job.

[–]loserkids [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

At first I thought Gavin is just a very naive person. But now I'm pretty sure he's very malicious and I don't trust shit the guy says anymore.

[–]fluffyponyza [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

Note: there may be an obvious answer to this, in that old transactions were paid straight to the pubkey and not to the address. Just double-checking that to make sure:)

Note2: confirmed by /u/SENPAI_NOTICES_YOU - the pubkey is in the raw transaction. My post below can be disregarded, the sticked post stands as correct. My post remains for reference.

Cross-posting my post on one of the other threads, just to add to the confusion:

Seems entirely possible he found some type of pre-signed message.

This was my first thought, but in his blog post he provides an ECDSA public key:

0411db93e1dcdb8a016b49840f8c53bc1eb68a382e97b1482ecad7b148a6909a5cb2e0eaddfb84ccf9744464f82e160bfa9b8b64f9d4c03f999b8643f656b412a3

This public key corresponds to the Bitcoin address 12cbQLTFMXRnSzktFkuoG3eHoMeFtpTu3S - but the process of going from the public key to the Bitcoin address requires you to first SHA256 hash the public key, and then RIPEMD-160 hash that result.

Now consider: it is EXTREMELY unlikely that a pre-signed message would've included the public key. It is also equally unlikely that Wright was able to brute-force through both hashing functions.

Thus we are left with only two options:

  1. Wright managed to get a pre-signed message and the address pubkey from the real Satoshi at some point in the past
  2. Wright is actually Satoshi

I'm not sure it makes a difference to me personally either way.

[–]pb1x [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Didn't 100% of old style transactions include pubkeys?

[–]umbawumpa [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

yes - thats the decoded transaction directly from the blockchain:

{
                "Value": 18,
                "N": 1,
                "ScriptPubKey": {
                    "Asm": "0411db93e1dcdb8a016b49840f8c53bc1eb68a382e97b1482ecad7b148a6909a5cb2e0eaddfb84ccf9744464f82e160bfa9b8b64f9d4c03f999b8643f656b412a3 OP_CHECKSIG",
                    "Hex": "410411db93e1dcdb8a016b49840f8c53bc1eb68a382e97b1482ecad7b148a6909a5cb2e0eaddfb84ccf9744464f82e160bfa9b8b64f9d4c03f999b8643f656b412a3ac",
                    "ReqSigs": 1,
                    "Type": "pubkey",
                    "Addresses": [
                        "12cbQLTFMXRnSzktFkuoG3eHoMeFtpTu3S"
                    ]
                }    

[–]optimists [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Out of memory and might be wrong, but iirc early on the transactions were pay to public key and not pay to address.

[–]murbul [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is true. The transaction that funded that address used pay to pubkey, not pay to pubkey hash (as did most block rewards up until as recently as 2012).

But also that address has outgoing transactions which means the sig and pubkey are published anyway.

[–]fluffyponyza [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I seem to recall that too - I'll update my post to reflect

[–]SENPAI_NOTICES_YOU [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

411db93e1dcdb8a016b49840f8c53bc1eb68a382e97b1482ecad7b148a6909a5cb2e0eaddfb84ccf9744464f82e160bfa9b8b64f9d4c03f999b8643f656b412a3

This public key is directly revealed in the transaction. Just Ctrl+F for it.

https://blockchain.info/tx/828ef3b079f9c23829c56fe86e85b4a69d9e06e5b54ea597eef5fb3ffef509fe?format=hex

[–]kinoshitajona [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Also, you can recover pubkeys from signatures in ECDSA. This is the reason why the signatures in "signed message" functions for most wallets are so compact.

[–]fluffyponyza [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah I was waaaaay too trigger-happy on my post, should've had another cup of coffee and read through the blog post again.

[–]murbul [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Pubkey for that address is well known.

[–]RubberFanny [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Is that Bitcoin address cited using compressed pubkey or uncompressed? Just curious cbf coverting the pubkey to addr myself to check but if so defs that address wouldn't have been used if it's compressed pubkey coz compressed pubkey came later anyways.

[–]Willidungl [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The public key is revealed when a transaction is sent from an adress

[–]Jahus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If he wants to prove himself as Satoshi, he should make a transaction or sign a text with the private key he used for that transaction, shouldn't he?

[–]karljt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If he is Satoshi then he will have many ways of proving it which he may well do over the next few days.

[–]MentalRental [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Gavin Andresen weights in: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4hfyyo/gavin_can_you_please_detail_all_parts_of_the/d2plygg

Craig signed a message that I chose ("Gavin's favorite number is eleven. CSW" if I recall correctly) using the private key from block number 1.

That signature was copied on to a clean usb stick I brought with me to London, and then validated on a brand-new laptop with a freshly downloaded copy of electrum.

I was not allowed to keep the message or laptop (fear it would leak before Official Announcement).

I don't have an explanation for the funky OpenSSL procedure in his blog post.

[–]jl_2012 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

A real bitcoin signed message should be like this:

bitcoin-cli verifymessage 1BqcwhKevdBKeos72b8E32Swjrp4iDVnjP Hw6QbEy+Z5BNwiv0kPTyizzgU5T1H88RnPRvk7730VoGTReJndKzZ4Jnn1JjIkNiVwBIXsx19RwXQWVfWrZjW+M= "I am 'Loaded' of bitcointalk.org."

which should return true

[–]luke-jrLuke Dashjr - Bitcoin Expert [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Notice the signature here only proves that 1BqcwhKevdBKeos72b8E32Swjrp4iDVnjP vouches for bitcointalk user "Loaded". Specifically, it doesn't prove:

  • That /u/jl_2012 is related to 1BqcwhKevdBKeos72b8E32Swjrp4iDVnjP in any way.
  • That /u/jl_2012 is related to bitcointalk user "Loaded" in any way.
  • That bitcointalk user "Loaded" agrees that address is his.
  • That /u/jl_2012 sent transaction id c640a575781adcf2c8af9a9fbbfe6892596121061d3e96b171c556a1b99b532d.
  • That bitcointalk user "Loaded" sent transaction id c640a575781adcf2c8af9a9fbbfe6892596121061d3e96b171c556a1b99b532d.
  • That transaction id c640a575781adcf2c8af9a9fbbfe6892596121061d3e96b171c556a1b99b532d is in any way related to address 1BqcwhKevdBKeos72b8E32Swjrp4iDVnjP.
  • That transaction id c640a575781adcf2c8af9a9fbbfe6892596121061d3e96b171c556a1b99b532d is in any way related to the owner of address 1BqcwhKevdBKeos72b8E32Swjrp4iDVnjP.

http://coinig.com/ has a web interface to verify signed messages, but for anything important, you really want to use normal software running on a secure system you control.

[–]jl_2012 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

You may use this page: http://coinig.com/

Address: 1BqcwhKevdBKeos72b8E32Swjrp4iDVnjP

Message: I am 'Loaded' of bitcointalk.org.

Signature: Hw6QbEy+Z5BNwiv0kPTyizzgU5T1H88RnPRvk7730VoGTReJndKzZ4Jnn1JjIkNiVwBIXsx19RwXQWVfWrZjW+M=

[–]manWhoHasNoName [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The point is you should include in the message "/u/jl_2012", "Loaded", and the date. That way we know you didn't just lift that message from someone else.

[–]gary_rowe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yep, that checks out. Here's the same in standard format for easy copy/paste into MultiBit HD. Use Tools | Verify message | Paste All after copying the below to your clipboard:

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
I am 'Loaded' of bitcointalk.org.
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
Version: jl_2012
Address: 1BqcwhKevdBKeos72b8E32Swjrp4iDVnjP

Hw6QbEy+Z5BNwiv0kPTyizzgU5T1H88RnPRvk7730VoGTReJndKzZ4Jnn1JjIkNiVwBIXsx19RwXQWVfWrZjW+M=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----

[–]chimpos [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Did they mention bitcoin was also dead?

[–]deardevil80 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Let me go claim I'm heir to this MEUCIQDBKn1Uly8m0UyzETObUSL4wYdBfd4ejvtoQfVcNCIK4AIgZmMsXNQWHvo6KDd2Tu6euEl13VTC3ihl6XUlhcU+fM4= in hex is 4d455543495144424b6e31556c79386d3055797a45544f6255534c3477596442666434656a76746f516656634e43494b344149675a6d4d73584e515748766f364b4464325475366575456c31335654433369686c3658556c6863552b664d343d and not pay to address..

[–]TheMightyPrince [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Yeah, I came to the same result. I thought someone would provide an explanation.

It seems that people of jumped on this and it doesn't appear to be correct.

[–]RubberFanny [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Did ya decode the Base64 to raw Bytes first then encode back to hex? Or did you just encode that Base64 bytes to hex?

[–]PrivilegedGlimpse [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Media learn what? they said some guy said he's satoshi.

edit: nevermind, BBC sounds convinced though they mentioned the doubts. probably based mostly on Gavins blog.

[–]SalletFriend [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

ABC (Aussie) had a security/crypto guy come on (seemed like short notice) and just confirm everything the BBC article said almost word for word. I imagine the story tomorrow morning will be different. But it is being repeated without any journalists attempting to test the claim.

[–]music8mycomputer [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Looks like the blog post is part of a larger document I pulled from his xml feed from his page. http://codacoin.info/drwright.php

[–]eviscerations [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

/u/theymos - i don't always agree with the way you run this sub, but thanks for making this sticky.

so many fucking shills desperate to cling to this belief that this fucking con artist is satoshi it's disgusting.

i don't envy the work you'll have to do over the coming days deleting all the duplicate shitposting hive minds who won't accept the truth - that this guy is full of shit.

cheers.

[–]xanderbelly [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

The most obvious reason for this supposed "anomoly" is that reality itself is in the process of coming to consensus. One fork is where Craig Wright is Satoshi, one fork where he is not. We don't have enough confirmations yet to determine which will be the proper one.

This has much in common with the "Berenste(a)in Bears Universe Theory" because it points to the same underlying truth. Reality is not factual, it was decided by Einstein initially and the Copenhagen Interpretation of 1927 that objective reality does not, in fact, exist. It is all individual perception in a shared matrix where unconscious belief systems only allow a viewer to decode reality according to their pre-conceived notions.

To us, the cryptographic "proof" seems senseless and unbelievable, because it is. To us. It has to, otherwise the wave function would be collapsed instantly universally, which it cannot. At a subatomic level wave functions collapse, on the larger scale of our societal shared reality a consensus mechanism much like POW is used, and this uses (or manifests) as the passage of time.

To the others, the cryptographic proof is, right now, actual proof that Wright is Satoshi, in their Universe. If we inhabited their Universe B instead of our Universe A, we would see the cryptographic proof as valid. We have a fork of reality at this moment, and we are not sure which timechain will win.

Cryptographic proof is proof beyond a doubt, and this cannot exist in our Universe of subjectivity, because then the decisions would be out of our hands. This event is peeling back the curtain, showing us a window into the workings of our own reality; this is the power of POW and the Bitcoin blockchain.

We have literally created the "dent in the Universe" that Apple's Steve Jobs so figuratively spoke of.

Where we go from here, is a choice I leave to you.

IMHO

[–]elux [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

Craig Wright is 100% not Satoshi. Maybe publishing the true name of Satoshi would even be defensible, given the circumstances. At some point Bitcoin starts to matter more than Satoshi's privacy. Maybe one who knows will be provoked to do so.

[–]crispix24 [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Maybe he's waiting for people to make fools out of themselves claiming they know one way or the other, before making a transaction from the genesis block to prove them wrong. Sounds like something that Satoshi would do.

[–]SammieData [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

hahah that would be fantastic, even though I hope he's not who he claims to be.

/r/bticoin would be a sea of deleted comments..

[–]waxwing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sounds like a brilliant CIA plot to unmask him :)

[–]Mark_dawsom [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

The only question now is was Gavin an accomplice or not.

[–]zoopz [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I don't think so. I think he's just a gullible geek and fraudsters talk easy.

[–]Mark_dawsom [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Either ways this can't be good for him. The media reported him as an authority that verified Wright's claim so this shows that he's either an accomplice or technically unreliable. As a core dev I think both are as bad.

[–]6nf [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Either Gavin knows or Gavin doesn't know. I'm not sure which is worse...

[–]MaunaLoona [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not surprised Gavin fell for it. He seems too trusting and a bit socially awkward.

I'm more surprised that Jon Matonis believes this guy.

[–]tomtomtom7 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Personally I am not yet convinced it is not him.

To me, the blog post seems not to be written to actually verify his identity by the public; after all a text as screen-dump? Line-endings? Encoding? Doesn't seem practical.

To me it simply reads as an explanation on how to verify his keys, and he left the actual exercise to various people and news-outlets.

He writes:

In the remainder of this post, I will explain the process of verifying a set of cryptographic keys.

[–]Mark_dawsom [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why drag news-outlets into it if it's a geek's game? They could've posted it to the community and the news-outlets would've picked it up. Going directly to the media says something.

[–]RubberFanny [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Except all he did was put on a show for the media outlets who themselves have said they are yet to verify his claim. Without him releasing the details so people can verify his claim, how does anyone verify his claim? One or two people can be bought, why would you trust the purchasable word of two people when quite simply you can import the privkey into Bitcoin (core, classic, whatever) and sign a message. which you can pt in your blog instead of a ton of mumbo jumbo describing the longest winded way to possibly do it. If you believe this nonsense then you are a fool just sayin'.

[–]RubberFanny [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Don't tell Gavin Andresen whatever you do! He is still patting himself on the back for meeting Satoshi!

FYI if you look at Dr (lol) Wright's latest blog, he provides a tutorial on how to create Bitcoin addresses....thanks....but the reason I say this is because he points to bitcoinsharp as being a great C# library for making Bitcoin addresses.... It isn't... bitcoinsharp is obsolete and it creates OLD UNCOMPRESSED PUBKEY ADDRESSES so he is recommending you use a C# library that creates old style addresses and bloats the blockchain and makes transactions larger? Doesn't seem very satoshi like. Thashiznets on github actually updated the bitcoinsharp code to do compressed pubkey addresses and I'd find it likely that Nicolas Dorier did in his NBitcoin implementation as well. Anyone with half a brain would suggest NBitcoin over bitcoinsharp as the C# method for address creation so not much research went into that blog post which s supposed to be helping us do something so trivial...

[–]NicolasDorier [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Are you japanese ? I don't know why, all japanese call me "Nicholas". :p

[–]RubberFanny [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Sorry bruh! :p Nah not jap, just didn't do my research was relying on memory which failed me haha! I do know you're french tho if I recall!

[–]twoambienredditor for 2 months [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Can't wait until Satoshi shows up on Bitcointalk or some mailing list saying 'I am not Craig Wright'. I give it a week.

[–]MaunaLoona [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Unlikely. He didn't do that in any of the previous cases. Satoshi will remain silent. He's probably following the story and reading this subreddit (hi Satoshi!) but that's about it.

[–]eviscerations [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

there was the whole 'i am not dorian nakamoto' thing

[–]MaunaLoona [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It was a spoofed email.

[–]eviscerations [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

time flies apparently. i've been busy with life, but i distinctly remember this particular thread being a hot topic back then:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zrshb/real_satoshi_nakamoto_denies_being_dorian_nakamoto/

[–]MaunaLoona [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The likely explanation was a hacked account since the message was never signed. We know that it came from an account Satoshi once used, but not that it was sent by Satoshi.

[–]Vaultoro [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yes, Satoshi or an account he used to control said it when news week pinned it on Dorian Nakamoto.

[–]MaunaLoona [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yep. If Satoshi wanted to weigh in, he could've signed the message to remove any ambiguity about its source. He didn't, so the likely explanation is that it came from a hacked account (or maybe was spoofed somehow).

[–]illuminatiman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Will only believe someone is satoshi when they sell some of those satoshi coins !

[–]RubberFanny [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think he is subtly hinting that we nominate him for a ton of award so he can add them to his linkedin profile! http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36168863

What a shame the forum isn't enabled yet :( http://www.drcraigwright.net/forum/

[–]ItsTyrrellYo [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

dunno, if he doesn't come forward with some proper hard evidence soon, it might be a case that they're trying to lure the real Satoshi into confirming he still exists

[–]MaunaLoona [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That seems like a needlessly elaborate hypothesis. I find the claim of being Satoshi used for the purposes of scamming infinitely more likely.

[–]MarkOates [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Scammers... scammers everywhere

[–]igotthecoderedditor for 0 hours [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I happened to compromise Craig Wright after the coverage in December and had that access for a few months - here is some code he was working on since December 2015.

/*
 * CONFIDENTIAL - NOT FOR PUBLIC RELEASE - DRAFT VERSION 0.1 DECEMBER 2015
 *
 * iamsatoshi.c - Prove to people in person that I am Satoshi Nakamoto.
 *                For use against friends, investigators, journalists, marks, and more.
 *                One might say, my greatest creation so far!
 *
 * IMPORTANT: Only run this on my own computer from within an encrypted
 *            volume, ensure spectator(s) have NO camera or filming
 *            equipment in front of screen! 
 *
 *            The "message" to "sign" must be over 1000 characters to 
 *            make sure any spectator(s) cannot remember the exact contents.
 *
 * Copyright (c) 2015 Craig Wright
 */
 #include <stdio.h>

 /* Take this from argv[1] instead to appear more genuine */
//#define PUBKEY     "12cbQLTFMXRnSzktFkuoG3eHoMeFtpTu3S"

/* IMPORTANT: For each demonstration, use a new signature from satoshi-signatures.txt, and make a note in there also which have been used, and with who, along with date/time */
#define SIG_BASE64 "MEUCIQDBKn1Uly8m0UyzETObUSL4wYdBfd4ejvtoQfVcNCIK4AIgZmMsXNQWHvo6KDd2Tu6euEl13VTC3ihl6XUlhcU+fM4="


int main (int argc, char *argv[1]) {
    int c, c2, count;

    if (argc < 2) {
        printf("Usage: %s <public key>\n", argv[0]);
        return(0);
    }

    printf("Opening private keyring to obtain private key for address: %s\n", argv[1]);
    printf("Private signing key retrieved! Please enter the text to sign now, hit enter twice when finished: ");

    count = 0;

    while ((c = fgetc(stdin)) != EOF) {
        if (c == '\n' && c2 == '\n')   
            break;
        c2 = c;   
        count++;
    }

    // REMEMBER THE SIGNING TEXT MUST BE OVER 1000 CHARS LONG!  LEAVE SUBTLE ERROR MESSAGE
    if (count < 1000) {
        printf("Error 1000: Please try again\n");
        return(0);
    }

    printf("Signing the above text using public key %s...\n", argv[1]);
    sleep(1);
    printf("Signature base64: %s\n", SIG_BASE64);

}   

[–]RubberFanny [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

LOLOLOLOL You forgot:

include <turingcomplete.h>

/Super duper secret codes taht no one should ever see but I'll show them anyway and say I was forced too!/

[–]Stupidaussiewanker [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

If it isn't him which we all know. His digging himself a hole with the tax man

[–]berepereredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Re Gavin being hacked: from Gavin's blog post

I witnessed the keys signed and then verified on a clean computer that could not have been tampered with

[–]vroomDotClub [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

ANOTHER STUNT TO DUMP THE PRICE!!! wake the fkn up people.. LET ME CHECK the price now.. oh lets see ah yes down almost 2% HAHAHAHAH time to buy on the way down - cause he said i wont sell them all at once ahahahahah oh man this Gavin is a piece of work.

[–]RealHumanHere [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I am a bit coin noob. Why are they trying to dump the price? Who benefits with this?

[–]RubberFanny [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They buy it up when the price has dumped knowing it will restore to a higher price again. Anyone who buys when the price has been dumped benefits when the price goes up again )if it goes up) as always it's a gamble but you have the approaching block reward half on your side.

[–]Sealyy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm currently seeing a lot of vote manipulation going on as well. +1 to raise awareness.

[–]thesilentwitnessredditor for 10 days [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Theymos, can you please add a mention in the sticky that Gavin's commit access has now been revoked due to fears of him being hacked? Thank you.

[–]gr8ful4 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The Economist (Rothschild) and BBC are into social engineering for a long time. Question every political topic! Hoaxes and false flag attacks are a common strategy to steer public opinion.

[–]btcBandit [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Has Andreas Antonopoulos commented yet?

Rightly or wrongly he is possibly the one person I trust in the Bitcoin space. If he says its proof then I will be happy until then Im sceptical!

[–]cryptobaseline [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That's why bitcoin was made up. To not believe anyone but crypto proof. Why do we need to wait for people to tell us what to do? This is the whole point about bitcoin.

[–]singularity098 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, that's what is just killing me right now.

If Satoshi Nakamoto actually revealed his identity, you know that he would be providing absolutely bullet proof evidence ... if there's anyone in the world that understands the difference between a solid logical proof and a flimsy one, wouldn't Satoshi "get" that?

Of course he would... so he's not going to come out of hiding and be like "yeah here's a signed transaction from an old block, btw no I'm not gonna sign another message, just believe me ok?"

Please.

[–]kazzZZY [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I understand this guy might b all bs, but why would he want to pay all the tax Satoshi owes?

[–]rory2013 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

And btc price is dropping fast right now....

[–]RubberFanny [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Good I'm going to buy some :) I also notice that it is pushing ETH up! This is good I'm going to dump my ETH and buy BTC :D

[–][削除されました]  (1子コメント)

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    [–]brunteles_absredditor for 1 month [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Gavin CIA/NWO Andresen was the first big name who confirmed Wright is Satoshi. Hmm...

    [–]twoarrayredditor for 0 hours [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Turn of events: Gavin is actually Satoshi.

    [–]Vaultoro [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Can't he just send a transaction? Make a payment from block 9?

    [–]14341 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Craig claimed that all his coins is locked into a trust with his dead friend and cannot be moved until 2020.

    [–][削除されました]  (1子コメント)

    [removed]

      [–]kentsor [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      Could be a deliberate attempt to be discredited. Perhaps he is Satoshi, but this is an attempt to slide back into anonymity. Clearly very smart, so perhaps he's trying to appear as someone that's trying to claim credit but is ultimately found out to be a fraud.