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We are 20 goals off top spot (self.reddevils)

kaboom88 が 投稿

I was looking at the league table this morning and it shows that we have the second best defence in the league in terms of conceding goals (31), only Spurs are better (26). Where we fall down and its been an obvious problem throughout the season is scoring. We have scored 43 goals compared to Leicester (64), Spurs (65), Arsenal (59) and Man City (68).

Even looking at the top ten we have only scored more goals then Stoke (38)

Where will these 20 plus goals come from next season to challenge for the title

Will Memphis develop and get more game time, and start scoring goals for us.

Will Martial step up another gear

Is Rashford a 20 goal a season player, he is still very young.

Hopefully we will be buying in a new striker, will they settle quick enough to produce 20 goals in their first season.

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[–]MaieskMartial 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wow, the top scoring team has only 68? That shows just how poor teams have been all-round. Didn't Ancelotti's Chelsea score over 100?

Edit: In fact, looking at that season, we conceded less than we have so far this season and scored twice as many as we have so far. Insane difference.

[–]LDN2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didn't Ancelotti's Chelsea score over 100?

Brendan Rodgers too. SAF's won the title with 60 something goals, AC Milan won it with 40 something.

[–]BarbadosDMLord Scholes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rooney was much sharper that season and Rio, Evra, Vidic, Nev/Rafael and VDS were still class

[–]RolleRolleRolle 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If the top scoring team has 30 goals less doesn't that more so show that teams are closer in general this season?

[–]koba-311 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

Lack of a class creative player is the main problem.

[–]syedwajeeehRASHFORD 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Exactly. You can't expect your striker to score 20+ goals a season if he isn't getting many chances during games. Bring in a creative midfielder and a striker and we could arguably challenge for the title as long as it doesn't affect the balance of the team.

[–]FeezbullGiggs 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's also partly due to the striker not making those runs and such which was the case for a lot of times in the season. Many crosses and such were not met by anyone as there were no one in the box or even close to it.

[–]syedwajeeehRASHFORD 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, I agree with that which is why when Rashford has played he's scored a few goals because he's willing to make runs in between the channels. Eg. Against West Ham and Man City.

But what I'm saying is we don't have enough creative players to pick these passes at all times.

Yesterday there was an instance where Martial played the ball in from the left to Rashford who then laid it off to Fellaini. Martial made a run inside the 18 yard box and was clearly through, but due to the lack of ability Fellaini has he failed to see the pass and instead switched play the the other wing. A player like Kroos, James Rodriguez etc would've played the pass.

[–]FeezbullGiggs 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah for sure. That and the tactical setup too. It's no use having the best passer in the world if runs aren't allowed to be made often enough or through passes in favour of retaining the ball.

The system needs to change too and also, those players as you said. All 3 parts need to change for a significant improvement.

[–]syedwajeeehRASHFORD -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

And Jose Mourinho is the man to make those changes. Chelsea lacked a player who could finish. He bought Costa. Chelsea lacked a player who could play the killer pass. He bought Fabregas.

I believe he'll do the same for us.

[–]ThadderfulRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a shame players like Kevin de bruyne, ozil and Sanchez, haven't moved to the premier league recently!

Honestly we can cry out for these players but we have shown very little in terms of actually putting our money where our mouth is for actual talent.

Let alone payet or mahrez that would require competent scouting.

[–]FeezbullGiggs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Part of it is the striker. But a huge part of it is also the tactics and system limiting our chances. We create so few as it is and have scored less than Bournemouth for one thing.... That's how piss poor our attack really is. For all the possession, we do nothing useful enough with it.

A better striker would help. But it'll eventually hit the ceiling too and stagnate if the system and tactics don't change and allow for more creativity and chances for attackers to take.

[–]opacino 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rashford has very little experience at top level and can't be expected to produce on a regular unless we want to be mid table. Martial has more experience but is still young and NOT A STRIKER, even though he scores goals.

I'm reading and seeing people suggest we need a creative midfielder. We have Januzaj, Memphis, Herrera that can't get game time. We had Di Maria, Kagawa, that couldn't get game time and were benched by poorer replacements (Young, Mata). We have our fastest winger playing in defense, and who we rely on for creativity. We have a CB in Blind that takes our corners (short mind you). We sold 2 of our experienced strikers in RVP and Chicharito with much acceptance from this sub. RVP has scored 14 goals in 18 appearances in Turkey in the league, that doesn't include other tournaments he was involved in. Thus far I think he has scored 20 goals this season. Chicharito has 17 goals in the Bundesliga, and I think overall has 26 goals. So there are fundamental issues.

The set up itself isn't that bad. The 4-1-4-1, could work with a more fluid attack. IMO we don't need to buy anyone except a quality 20 goal a game striker at the right age and price (which will be a challenge) and a replacement for Carrick (A Verrati or someone of that caliber).

[–]ccdewa 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

One Zlatan to United please

[–]BertrandRusDave 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Zlatan wouldn't score as many as he does without the help of world class midfielders like Di Maria and Verratti

[–]TudoorsYoung 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think regardless of who the manager is next season, we will see a new striker come in. My top choice would be Benzema. However, only if he is willing to come to United. If it's a Di Maria situation I wouldn't want him. I know Benzema rejected Fergie, but maybe he would be willing to change his mind now. If not Benzema I would like to buy Higuain. My last option and most ideal would be Harry Kane, but that doesn't look like happening now does it.

[–]kaboom88[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, if we get somebody in they need to want to join utd and have a real hunger for goal. I think we may need more than just the one striker though to encorage more competition for places

[–]FeezbullGiggs 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Benzema? Who's a starter for Madrid, arguably one of the, if not the, top destinations of football, where he's loved and has great links with Ronaldo and such?

And he would suddenly just want to join us, a club rebuilding yet again, with maybe no CL or even a shot at the title as of yet, over staying in sunny madrid?

[–]StannisJrScholesy 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Benzema

Cause we're Manchester United and we can sign who we want!!!

[–]SuperfyVan Persie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If only it were still around 2009 or so.... Hopefully we become that good again so we can sign almost whomever we want, even some of the Latin based players then maybe.

[–]pleasemovenorthMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Our midfielders should be scoring more, as well as our CBs on set pieces and corners. This would make up a portion of those goals, and having a well performing front three and we could easily have 60-70 goals a season.

[–]TomBombadrilldo -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Remember Rooney at the start of the season saying "don't worry I'll get 20 goals up front"?